/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

How the fuck do you draw eyess

Can't you forcibly contain Illashit in here....please?

>>3614997
Study Bargue plates. The only thing people have ever complimented about my drawings is the eyes.

Study I'm copying, I hated those plates on the right and it shows, any help on that and anything you might find that could improve this? There's supposed to be little crumbs on the side of the bread but they seem impossible.

>>3615011
If the plates are stacked you could just use one giant cylinder and carve it out into multiple plates.

>>3615011
You the guy who did the other study for class with the striped rock thing? If so, nice improvement. Try to think more in terms of 3d forms like cylinders and spheres like the other anon said. Keep it up.

>>3614999
No, he'll ruin these threads. He's obviously /beg/ but he has no intent to improve, he takes no criticism, he has no desire to learn anything. Even if the posters here aren't phenomenal at art, at least they attempt stuff in the sticky, they post studies, ask questions, learn how to take critique.

I don't know why mods haven't banned him. He ruins every thread he joins.

>>3614999
Also, he's at least been forgiving enough lately to made his own threads that he contains his garbage in.

>don't do fundie circles for a few days
>go do fundie circles
>they're absolute shit, even though when I was doing a page a day prior there was marked improvement over the week

Fuck. And you hear people come on here and say they take a year off drawing and they're still at the same skill level when they stopped.

Hey thanks to the anon that posted a song from this album in a challenge thread awhile ago, I don't know if you're around but this album helps me power through when I'm getting frustrated with a study or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0honawlXQwU&list=PLhMVbLYJsBUNXdrP3HCnooUroaIGOTBzY

>>3614989
While I've been drawing for quite a long time I'm only now getting started with digital art and am wondering what I should really be using. I got a used wacom bamboo splash and downloaded paint net but not really sure what steps to take to learn it, it's much more complicated it feels to get a line down right with a mouse pen than a regular pencil.

>>3615009
Thanks mate.

>>3615080
download krita

>>3615062
so keep trying and get good again. im in same position, took a week off, it was hard to motivate myself to get back into it.

How do I properly draw boobs. I should use reference more but I haven't been. all suggestions and/or links are appreciated. I don't have anyone to help give critique on it except for this board.

>>3615119
>should use reference more but I haven't been

You literally have your answer, stop being lazy. Look up any nude women and search how to draw boobs on pinterest.

>>3614654
Drew this during a free period.
Will post the ref.

>>3615119
This is why reference is important. until you have a good idea of anatomy, light/shadows, form and gravity you'll need a sample to pull from. Take this picture as an example. You have a relative idea of how a breast should be shaped (though you have the inside of the breast starting WAY too high), but instead of knowing where the shadows should start in order to show the form properly you instead did an outline making it look unrealistic/unnatural, and it looks like they're just tacked on there. There isn't any sense of weight or dimension in your drawing. A decent place to start (other than learning anatomy) would be for you to study the way light and shadows interact with spheres.

>>3615213
See the NOIDED guy in the hoodie.

Ok, next is rendering, please give feedback before I go into it.. I'm going to wait an hour before I move on so please hurry!

>>3615230
It's a bad idea even if your art turns out well

>>3615230
Magazine is too wide for 5.55, if you think he's going to fire .50 without a stock you're retarded

>>3615233
What's a bad idea? The entire concept? Maybe, I'm realizing now that it doesn't mash well.

>>3615234
I don't know much about guns, thanks.

>>3615230
Why are his legs so small and short especially when your perspective is starting lower? for that matter, his feet are even smaller.

>>3615236
>I don't know much about guns
Yeah, we know.

>>3615242
Good catch, completely botched his lower half. Must have stopped measuring or measured incorrectly somewhere around that point. Thanks.

>>3615016
>>3615015

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense, just use the shapes.

I am not the stacked rocks guy btw haha

WIP. The proportions are bugging me, but I decided to let it go because I wasn't gonna move on otherwise.

>>3614989
How's my construction?

>>3615326

>>3615327
>>3615326
nonexistent

dear /beg/,

should I grind out traditional art before moving onto digital?

Also, it seems like I'm stuck on just doing loomis heads over and over again, and everytime I try and draw a body, or even a neck and shoulders and a torso and stuff, it looks bad. How do I "break out" of drawing just heads? Is there like a constructive method I could look to? Or should I just keep at it until it looks less bad.

>>3615327
The purpose of construction should be to understand the 3D forms and where they go. Looks like you're struggling with both.

>>3615327
This is like watching someone who's never sat at a piano try to play Mozart. Start with cubes and spheres. Preferably from real life. Once you can construct, draw and render those forms, move on to something more complex like fruit.

>>3615260
Wow, glad I decided to post this, some of the errors are really obvious side-by-side, yeesh...

>>3615331
Are those fingers pointy or are those fingernails? Either way I don't want that in my coochie, no thanks

>>3615352
It's personal preference, really. Drawing tablets are tools that may not be easy to use for beginners. So if it gets in the way for you, it might be best to wait till you have more drawing experience under your belt.

It seems more than figuring out digital/traditional, you need direction. Think about what you want to learn, what style of art you're looking to do. From there, break it down into things you need to study, starting with fundamentals. Loomis heads are okay, but maybe you should try painting and adding value to your line drawings. Also, have you tried drawing from life?

Do you want to draw anime or more realism? Who are your favorite artists? Post a pic of the kind of art you want to accomplish and maybe we can help you figure it out.

>>3615119
Go out and buy a cheapo pack of water balloons. Fill them up with water and tape them to a cutting board. You now have an accurate representation of how boobs work. No seriously. You can tilt it and have it at various angles, and get an idea of how the breast should look and how gravity affects them.

>>3615352
Loomis also has books on bodies but Hampton, Bridgman are popular here. Anatomy for Sculptors is suggested way less here but I think it supplements any of the previous three really well.

>>3615367
You forgot that breasts sort of sag naturally outwards to the sides a bit.

>>3615362
It's salvageable. Your face is protruding too much, so you just need to push it back in. Pay attention to the angles and the curves. For instance, the forehead curve. Yours is too much. Nose is the same thing. Look at the arch of the back that you can see with the cloth over her shoulder. Compare that to yours.

>>3615357
I tried again

>>3615369
Thank you for the crits. I fixed the forehead and the cloth before posting a reply to myself, lol. Didn't notice the nose though, thanks for pointing that out.

The only thing I'm confused about is how the face is protruding? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

>>3615377
That looks significantly better, awesome improvement.

>>3615392
Asian faces tend to be more flat. The way you curved the forehead made the rest of the features curve out more.

>>3615011
Maybe it's appearing lighter as a photo, but I think it needs more contrast overall to bring out the shapes.

The core and cast shadows could be much darker. Think about the areas that aren't being hit by light, like corners, bottoms, inside of the containers, etc.

Reflected light is too similar to the highlight in some places, which shouldn't be the case since those areas are in shadow.

You don't need to detail the plates too much since they're in the background. The bread could be tricky. You just have to go in there and finely add the textures as best as you can.

Did a simple enhancing of the values to give you an idea of how to bring out the shapes. You did well on it already but just a bit of tweaking and it'll look better.

>>3615364
Thanks for your response. I have tried some drawing from life, generally I try to do self-portraits a lot with different expressions, with like a real mirror and my face, as well as just drawing whatever is in front of me at the time. I guess I would prefer more realism, though I'm not against stylized stuff, in fact I probably like more stylized stuff than others (like I really like Harry Clarke and Mucha) but I also like Kim Jung Gi.

>>3615366
Thanks, I'll check those out.

>>3615011
You're not drawing with the forms you're flattening them with flat lines. You need to draw as if you're running your pencil along these things in 3d if that makes sense. With pencils it's a mix of cross-hatching and soft gradients, and layering your pencils together from soft to hard, with a very light hand as to not rip the paper.

You go from general to specific. So the process goes like this:
>Don't let your hand touch the fucking paper, no smudging with fingers EVER. The oils from your skin discolor the paper and graphite.
>Sketch general placement of subjects
>Refine placement, get lines accurate. Visual measuring is a must.
>Clean up your lines so they're nice and tidy, touch very lightly with your eraser, do not destroy the tooth of the paper
>Block out major areas of shadow on subjects
>Fill in the background value ENTIRELY to the best of your ability. Values are relative, so get that BG done completely first.
>Now just go from the background inwards, object by single object
>Draw your lines along the forms instead of making it up. The vase is round, so make it round. Imagine like you're drawing perspective lines, just do what you see
>Keep your waxy hard pencils out of the dark shadow areas you've lined out. Keep your softs out of the light areas.
>If an area is pure white avoid it for now
>Put in midtones, and if something seems to have a gradient under all the detail then do the gradient. Keep the midtones clean as this is where the detail happens.
>Do your shadows next. There is no detail in shadow areas so just worry about going with the form and putting an even tone down in these areas
>BLEND your shit! Make soft edges soft. Make hard edges stay hard. easy
>Once you've completed those steps for every item it's detail time! Erase out lightly in areas that need to be lighter, sketch in details, refine, render. This is the FUN STUFF!!!

>>3615498
Also for christ's sake stop pressing so hard with your pencil it makes the graphite shine and looks gross as fuck. You need to layer them in softly like you're tattooing a sleeping baby or somtehing. Be gentle on paper-san, senpai!

More pencil studies today. I am liking this weird led holder shaft thingy.

Done with this, I know it is conceptually bad.

Is there anything technical that is glaringly wrong? I'm sure there is plenty so let me have it :^) I think it is obvious I do not know how to render armor, I used some references but even so, it's weird.

>>3615521
Nice kit anon, I use the Staedtler Mars pencil, which is essentially a led pencil for 2mm led. I also got one of those erasers, the Mono Zero, after using eraser putty was simply not working when I wanted to add white lines to something. Good stuff!

>>3615525

>>3615525
Your main flaws in this piece are a stiff gesture and bad perspective and anatomy. It's nowhere near perfect, but hopefully this gives you a better idea of what a good figure should look like.

>>3615614

>>3614989
>try to do observation and sight
>it’s hard as fuck
This is a meme right?

>>3615640
It's a meme.

>>3615614
>>3615619

Thanks for the insight lad, I'll go ahead and focus on gesture, perspective and anatomy for a few days then before I work on any time consuming pieces.

>>3615647
You should draw a lot of naked people first before you start adding armor, because then you have to focus on too many things you aren't proficient at at once. The human figure is a good base to build off of for all drawing, especially if you're applying construction techniques.

Can anyone tell me why I'm getting these max pressure stamps at the beginning of every stroke in Corel Painter? Works just fine in Photoshop

critique?

>>3615656
Try not painting over it/tracing next time.

>>3615656
Id start by making the sun lit fur more vibrant yours seems to be too desaturated.

>>3615668
did not trace
>>3615669
yeah those colors have been super hard to find. had to paint over it a few times. i shall keep squiting

what about the background and fur texture? id rather not put to much detail into the background because thats not the point. but i think i could afford to push more detail into the fur without going 'draw every hair' mode?

>>3615521
That was my first lead holder. I liked the weight, but not the grip -- not angular enough. Amazed that you still have a TUFF STUFF eraser kicking around, they're worth a fortune on ebay for some reason.

Trying out the brush pen, pretty fun gotta say

How do I have fun drawing?

>>3615718
Having fun is a meme.

>>3615675
>yeah those colors have been super hard to find
don't be afraid to use the eyedropper tool and study (not copy) the relationships between colors

Also, you can get away with a fairly simple background as long as it doesn't make the picture look like an old 3D game.

And finally, I'd recommend to use a soft brush and paint some white over the dog just like the original picture to make the lights match

Do these look ok?

so... thoughts?

>>3615860
Wonky lines. Wonky figures.

well?

>>3615854
They don't. But that's not a bad thing If you're applying the Loomis method as a foundation you're already setting yourself up to get far. Keep grinding

>>3615860
Hideous face, recommend you find another approach.

>>3615864
very good. Technically sound

>>3615864
3 years and this is what you have to show lmao. the state of you

>>3615879
better than i could do 3 years ago

Are my 10s gesture drawings any good?

>>3615421
I see what you mean. Thank you, this helps a lot!

>>3615521
Yo... those eyes are not even in the same dimension. Did you use any guidelines at all?

>>3615883
you art hasn't changed, friend.

>>3615892
yes it has

>>3615902
not that anon but post side-by-side comparison.

>>3615260
I've bought myself some plexiglass & wipe dry pen, to copy old Master drawings. I'm going to start the Jon deMartin 'Drawing Atelier' which I rec.

>>3615929
i swear to fucking god ive done this at least five times

>>3615965
How are you still so shit?

>>3615983
because im not trying to turn this into a job.

>>3615965
nice progress, mate

>>3615990
are you being serious

>>3615987
Pretty shit excuse for not trying to improve.

>>3615498

Wow ok so, I had thought about it but hadn't quite gotten to it. Softer goes in lighter areas haha when I started I did it the other way round, but then just went over it with harder because it looked like shit. All of that sounds great, I'll try it. Thank you!

>>3615441
Ive had this problem with two drawings already, everything's too light. I'll keep all of that in mind, thanks.

>>3615886
errrm bump
How do I improve these? Where are the faults?

>>3616060
Can't tell what most of them are supposed to be gesturing.

I'm thinking of committing to a schedule and streaming my /beg/ art adventure for 12h+/day, would anyone want to join me?

It worked for people like rapoza I hear.

>>3616070
What about these? Do they read well?

>>3616085
A little.

>>3616085
They read fine to me

Any opinions?

>>3616113
Looks kind of stiff.

>>3616113
Kinda bad desu. Cats are symmetrical.

>>3616123
stiff?

>Save 143 images for reference from Pinterest which will likely never see the light of day once it's in my folder.
I'm just wasting my hard drive space, aren't I?

>>3616137
one day the internet's going to go out andyou'll be glad you saved all those pictures.

I do the same thing and I use the images and books all the time personally. for example when I want to draw at school I'll bring my SSD full of images and books with me and use that. or when I just feel like studying I'll open up my folder and pick a carefully selected batch of images/ a book to study from. Really comes in handy a lot
but I understand that not everyone is like me so you go your own way and put these to use hopefully.

>>3616137
>tfw saved over ten thousand images

>>3616135
I don't know I'm a /beg/ I can't explain it.
It's just a feeling.

Been practicing how to draw simple heads via Proko's vids (based on the Loomis method?)

1/2

>>3616202
Any feedback is welcome, but at least wanna know if on the right track?

>>3616205
Not bad

Do I need to make a plan before drawing or is just drawing enough?

>>3616394
It's a meme.

>>3615965
3 years and you cant draw a hand or face

How do I rip myself away from 4chan long enough to pick up a pencil?

>>3616427
Close your internet browser and set a time limit for how long you're allowed to be online.

Recently picked up drawing again. All critique welcome.

>>3616442
cute bird but why lined paper?

This is the very first thing I've ever drawn besides stick figures and scribbles. Also the very first thing I've drawn on a drawing tablet. It's just bad Loomis. Should I kill myself now or later?

>>3616427
Drop your isp.

>>3616481

>>3616501
oh

>>3616481
we all need to start somewhere. at least you did something. you've got halfway decent construction and thats being nice. I would recommend what the other anon recommended, pick up a construction book like loomis or any of the other construction books in the sticky or book threads

Anyone been through marshallart.com perspective stuff? He explains things really well in proko's videos, wondering whether it's worth the purchase.

>>3615863
dont know what this means

>>3615860
need feedback

Any advice? Besides the weird countour line. I meant for the left part of the cactus to be over the right one, but since I was using a pen I couldn't erase anything.

>>3615965
well... as long as it makes you happy

>>3616536
I was using Loomis.

>>3616559
Why is that 50 year old Asian man wearing short-shorts?

>>3616424
shut the fuck up you gay nigger. thats a significant improvement and you fucking know it. fuck your faggy 16 hour a day schedule

It's really a pain in the ass to try to draw basic shapes with the mouse so I just draw smooth curves and correct the shape as I go, any advice?

>>3616679
Unless you intend to draw an alien, that is hugely disproportionate.

>>3616584
They look more like a black male to female transgender.

>>3616679
Stop using mouse and only draw on paper until you get a tablet.

>>3616679

Draw a gesture first so at least you can get the proportions correct from the beginning.

>>3616540
marshall vandruff is miles better than proko. you can get his vids online

>>3616679
If you're gunna KBM, pen tool in photoshop. Rough sketch with a pencil, line with the pen.

Is there any book that goes more in-depth about the angles and geometry involved in perspective? How to Draw is decent so far but I need something more calculated when it comes to drawing environments, etc. I'm tired o wasting time drawing and re-drawing lines when the vanishing points aren't even on my page.

>>3616761
Like, how do the angles of a room/space change depending on where I place the HL? How do I mathematically figure that out?

>>3616761
Yeah keep going through How to Draw, buddy, you'll get to it.

>not using a ruler
>Not taping your paper to a larger piece of paper to map out your vanishing points

NGMI

>>3616761
>>3616763

At this point, you're better off just using SketchUp or something to block in your environment.

>>3614989
How's 1st point my perspective?

Ugh that's disgusting. What you're drawing in 1 point perspective requires 2 point perspective so it looks like shit. 1 point is for stuff like a shot of train tracks fading off in the distance, not some bedroom of horrors.

How the FUCK DO I DRAW A FUCKING OVAL FOR THE SIDE PLANE OF THE FACE!?!?!

So whenever people say to improve, they always suggest drawing without lines. I don't quite understand how that is supposed to work. If I'm not allowed to use lines, how am I supposed to capture stuff like the gesture or construction? This is probably a retarded question but it legitimately frustrates me that I can't seem to do it.

>>3616785
You've gotta be joking if you expect me to believe everyone tapes their paper to a big paper every fucking time they draw perspective.

There's gotta be an easier way to do it on your canvas.

>>3616787
Maybe. Will it help me understand what I'm doing? I've never used sketchup and although stuff like that is helpful, it feels like a crutch.

>>3616850
I’m sorry, what perspective? The bed and the nightstand are certainly not on the same plane, the nightstand is way above the bed, the floor is on the wall, and the dresser almost matches the bed. I don’t mean to sound mean, but definitely get to practicing, because this perspective is pretty bad. Good luck, anon.

>>3616785
Also
>NGMI
Fuck you, this fueled my spite so hard that I'm screenshotting this and saving it for when I've mastered perspective and am making it.

>>3616892
Well if the vanishing points are going off the paper then yes. You literally just tape paper together until you're done and then you untape them???

Maybe you should into digital if you're this lazy bro

>>3616908
Good, let the hate drive you to git gud faggot

>>3616909
You're right, I'm lazy, and should put in the effort. But I'm also retarded and literally didn't realise that people tape their paper every single time they want to draw a background or an environment. Is this something I wean myself off of when I'm comfortable or will I do it for life?

>>3616910
It is, thank you. After work or tomorrow morning I'm going to mess around with perspective on my giant drawing pad just for you.

>>3616916
If you get through How to Draw and you get into practicing lots of perspective sketching then you can just shit it out and not even need the guides.

And yes traditional artists really do that. Get one of those big rolls of cheap paper and put your paper on that shit so you're not wasting your good stuff on lines.

I hate drawing limbs and appendage could someone ref me to some good study

>>3616850
here's another try

>>3617015
>>3616900
I noticed the front was wrong

>>3616446
Brutal but I understand.
Lined papar because I'm not talented or rich enough to be wasting actual drawing paper.

>>3617023
Printer paper is literally cheap shit for drawing and is way better than fucking lined paper bro

>>3616924
>>3616936
>>3616954
>>3616964
These are good I like them. Do you have any complete works or do you only do line drawings?

>>3617028
Makes sense I might get some later but will that really make a big difference if my art is shit?

I'm literally not learning anything from loomis and hampton

>>3617029
Thank you anon that means the world to me, I don’t know I live an extremely solitary life and I draw only to make a manifestation worth enough to populate my me rudimentary and bleak existence. So when it comes to rendering I kind of am in fear to give anything I I created that kind of attention.

>>3617063
What's got you stumped?

>>3617079
Here is an old shit I post on fiver

>>3617086
Here is shit I try for charicature

>>3617091

>tfw you skip grinding and studying fundies to draw smut after getting over-confident because you finished some art books but you realize you are not close to being good enough
Feels very very bad, bros.

Where do I go from here? Is it time to give Fun with a Pencil, Figure Drawing for all it's Worth and Keys to Drawing an actual read? Do I start from the very bottom again? Is there something I have to grind more than something else?
This is the result of being incompetent (not understanding shading, construction, anatomy, digital tools) and lazy (not looking up references, not taking my time to think about how light/shading works). Being that this was a somewhat honest effort really makes me see how truly unskilled I am, but I don't really know how to fix that.

>>3617152
Perspective made easy.

>>3617152
if you don't want to read books just draw from reference until you're good(that's a long time, so probably better to read books, start with keys to drawing)

>>3617079
>>3617086
>>3617091
>>3617093
Man this is some good stuff you should definitely render more often. I am not really in any position to give anyone critiques but I can see definitely see you are headed in the right direction. Keep it up bro and best of luck.

please shit on my work
I don't know how to add anatomy while keeping the proportions right.

What is wrong with my painting? It scares me

>>3617331
It scares me too nigga

>>3616862
Use your shoulder

>>3616923
Cool, will do both. Thanks for the tips. I like HtD so far so I intend to finish the whole book.

>>3617021
It looks better but you can move the pillows backwards and make the bed less long. The pillows look far away from the headboard and moving those back will make the beds exaggerated length more obvious.

>>3617408
If you finish it and understand everything in that book you will ascend to perspective god and it will feel so worth it

>>3617412
It feels worth it already; I've always liked adding dramatic perspective to my drawings so finally properly studying it is exciting. Even the little bit of the book I've done has improved my drawings.

>>3617416
Oh boy if you're enjoying it already just wait till you get to the last parts of the book bro that's when it gets super fun and it's also insanity mode

I feel like I'm so bad at this that it's genuinely depressing. I know I need to just keep at it and actively study to progressively iron out flaws, but how do I get over this feeling of constant hopelessness?

>>3615119
work on line work

>>3617464
It's not terrible dude but I am seeing where you're not drawing what you see. Also your blending and values could use some work. Specifically you've made her cheeks too dark, eyebrow on her left is too low and long, her mouth isn't open in ref, values on the nose are too dark, her jawline is too flat, shadows are too light on her lips and chin on her right side.

Though I've gotta ask man do you feel 100% comfortable doing value studies right now? Like could you bang one out real fast no problem or would it give you some trouble?

>>3617038
its about aiming higher. I use line pad for my warm up exercises tho. if you don't know what warm ups are search dynamic sketching on youtube

>>3616850
wtfs happening with the floor? it should not be going diagonally flat like that.

>>3617464
you're good, much better than many people here, but you need to draw what you see, why did you make her teeth so bright? you can barely see them in the picture, it changes her entire expression.

Just some shitty imagination paintings w/o underdrawing from yesterday. The guy on the left came out looking a bit like my boy Miles Teller except for the eyebrows. They were fun anyway

>>3617472
>>3617486

Thank you, I'll try to observe more carefully.

>Though I've gotta ask man do you feel 100% comfortable doing value studies right now? Like could you bang one out real fast no problem or would it give you some trouble?

I've been studying values recently but I'm not totally comfortable with them, how would you suggest I approach it?

>>3617549
Okay I can tell from your painting.

Cut out the color entirely. Do studies in greyscale for now until you feel comfortable with just values. It will make color so much easier on you later.

>>3617486
>you're good
>meh quality copies from ref means youre good

>>3617562
yeah hes not as bad as he thinks, he's in /beg/, a "good" here doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>3617559
Will do, thank you for the input!

>>3617562
"Good" is subjective, I know I have a long way to go but I appreciated the encouragement anyway.

>>3617496
I think you should try with less values

>>3617573
draw the hands, arm on our right looks like a skele

>>3617573
Will try that on the next one. Also need to some studies

If I already have a tablet but it has no screen should I bother learning it or just go with a screen tablet? Been using this screenless one for a while and it's really difficult even writing my own name down.

>>3617656
Go traditional. Tablets and computers have ruined this industry.

>>3617693
all the wunderkind of today's online art communities are wunderkinds because of tablets and computers. people are getting more skilled at younger ages because of technology. fuck off jellyfag

I can’t get the edge of cubes to line up in 2 point perspective and it’s frustrating all my horizontal lines lead to my vanishing point and and my vertical are perpendicular

>>3617714
kek ngmi

>>3617714
I'm not sure what you mean, you just draw the lines from the vanishing point to the correct edge on your cube.

Draw the black horizon line, put two dots on it, theres are your VPs, draw two lines that intersect from them, draw a vertical line at the intersection, then from the VPs the green lines meet your vertical one, and the yellow ones go where you want, depending on how big you want the cube to be.

>>3617731
Im using the cubes to build cylinders if that gives more context

>>3617740
what is your issue? what are you asking?

>>3617743
I can’t get the back corner of the two faces of of the cube to line up and without that I think the parallax on my circles won’t be right

>>3617762
Anon, you just did it ;)

>>3617762
good job

>>3617762
Your guide lines aren't all going to the exact same point. They are shifting. Use a smaller brush size and try to be more accurate in your clicking on the vanishing points.
Or...
>look up epic games carapace program
>plan perspective in that
>rejoice

>>3617774
But why tf won’t it work on the left one

>>3617778
He just used my rough paint demonstration anon, realised my vértices didn't line up and worked out his issue from it, completely unintentional on my part but that's kinda magical.

>>3617783
Then mot all of your lines go to the vp correctly, simple as that

>>3617783
Lmao your left one the back corner is connected to the wrong line my dude take a real close look

I'm convinced there is more to being good at drawing that knowing anatomy. Take this picture for example; the anatomy is all wrong but it still looks good. What is the secret to this? How do I learn it?

>>3617797
You thought all there was to drawing was anatomy? What about objects? Objects don't have anatomy. Start with keys to drawing.

>>3617797
twilight's arms are fucking horrifying

>>3617797
Turd polishing and gesture and expressiveness.

>>3617797
Damn this is good

>>3617797
>I'm convinced there is more to being good at drawing that knowing anatomy.
Congratulations, you have taken your first step away from being an anatomyfag and devoid of any creativity by being a human xerox machine. Believe it or not there are Anons here with 5+ years and they still refuse to come to this conclusion.

Ok I think the back corner lining up has something to do with the side lengths being the same

Is it normal to seriously struggle with the first exercise in Keys to Drawing? My shoes came out looking terrible

>>3617821
Can we tell people in the sticky or OP that it's not about the result when you first start out? It's about learning the process of learning. You are literally learning how to learn to draw from this book, not reading 2 pages and drawing a masterpiece.

>>3617821
Speaking of Keys to Drawing, is there something like this but that isn't so dry and dull?

>>3617828
Honestly you must just not like drawing

>>3617827
You're right I just need to chill the fuck out instead of assuming I should be able to draw something good immediately. It's conceited to assume otherwise and won't help me. I'll keep it mind that I'm learning the process and the result is irrelevant

>>3617831
Sorry anon I didn't mean to come off the way I did, it's not conceited, just a misconception and I think it really hurts beginners, because we wanna draw something good looking right away. But in reality no one expects to open up fruit loops, add some sounds and become a pop star, you know?

>>3617821
Honest to God is Keys to Drawing actually the best staring place if I want to draw cute fan art of IRL waifus?

>>3617834
What's your goal? If you want to stylise real life then yes, go keys to drawing > perspective (drawabox, marshallart, perspective made easy) alongside figure drawing > anatomy and rendering/value/light. This is how I view drawing priority when the goal is humans.

>>3617839
My ultimate goal is to create cute/weird manga with waifu characters like Crawling City. I need to know how to draw humans but also landscapes and backgrounds and monsters. I want the reader to think "man this artist is good but what the fuck were they smoking when they made this" when they look at my work

Finished yesterday fun with a pencil, what's next /beg/?

>>3617857
>Finished
You never finish fundies
It's a constant struggle till you reached the top
Even Loomis and Hampton drew boxes and circles to warm up.
Read it again and become better

whats do pen I need to emulate this? its from sticky monsters, I really like the edward gorey like hatching. the creator uploaded an interview on their work but its all in danish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es9gDPw8nyM

>>3617783
I don't know if you're being intentionally dense or not.

I just can't for the life of me draw neat lines. I literally have to draw a bunch of tiny lines and use the eraser tool to clean up just so I can have a single line that I'm somewhat satisfied with.
How do I improve on this?

>>3617985
No Anon I know that the two back corners are supposed to connect, I didn’t understand why the two points weren’t making a straight line like the rest of the cube. I figured it tho thanks

>>3617998
Check the first exercises on drawabox

>>3617998
Draw from your shoulder. Read the sticky.

How do you apply the fundamentals to things like video game art?

>>3618143
> like video game art?
What do you want to draw?

What was that book that explained the concept of "resistance" wrt exhaustion and your brain resisting the drawing process? The title had something to do with mastery, but I can't remember the author or full title.

>>3617884
ball point, probably just like a regular bic pen, that doesnt look like gel.

one takeaway from lurking /ic/ is to have line confidence. concidering that, is this especially chicken scratchy? doing one minute drawings off of quickposes, and was wondering about this one.

>>3618186
It is a little bit, but IMHO your shapes read pretty well. So you're going great for a beginner. Just keep refining it.

>>3618186
that's not so much chicken scratch as its doing different lines to work out which best represents what youre drawing. I wouldn't worry too much, eventually you should be able to solve it using les lines

>>3618186
This shows some decent confidence imo

>>3618204
>>3618205
>>3618207
thanks anons, this is actually really encouraging. I'll get back at it c:

I think I finally am starting to understand value, thanks to everyone for posting their art and critiques. Things suddenly clicked today and I rendered a face that had form and believable lighting. I think I can push my darks but I'll keep at it.

>>3617797
The secret starts with an ‘s’ and ends with an ‘e’

>>3618330
sloomise

>>3618330
spractice

>>3618330
sboxese

>>3618330
>Catalog
sexperince

2 point perspective doodle
I didn't follow trough with the towers

Just did this in a few hours while listening to some Dave Tipper.
What are some tips to get cleaner lines when drawing with marker (sharpie) freehand?

>>3614989
I made the eyes too big. But what else can I work on in the next painting? This is supposed to be St. Padre Pio, but it doesn't really look like him...

Are there any good video series for complete beginners or am I better off sticking with the books?

>>3618330
sodomize

>>3618450
See: sticky

>>3618405
Draw with your arm not your wrist.

>>3618405
Is that muh fuckin pride from fma?

Is my perspective right?

>>3618423
you need to learn to draw, read the sticky.

You know what's the funniest thing?

EVERYONE acknowledges the existence of kids who can do complex mathematical operations in their head like they're living computers.

But as soon as it comes to something "creative" everyone denies the innate ability to do it and it's always "hurr durr practice" even though there are 5 year olds who can paint photorealistic paintings just like the math prodigies and just like it works for all the other skills too.

Why are people so afraid to admit that not everyone can just "learn to draw" in a reasonable timeframe?

>>3618885
because who the fuck cares, that's just an excuse not to draw, it provides nothing else. if you want an excuse not to draw, dont draw.

porn addiction made my character getting fat

Is there an ideal way to learn values? I'm not sure if redrawing monochrome images and trying to find the correct value though sighting is the best approach, I mostly understand the concepts but I'm still struggling to accurately determine mid-range values...

>>3618401
is it upside down or what, either way your verticals aren't vertical. in 2 point they should be.

>>3618839
can you figure out how you fucked up the back wall?

Buy my game

>>3618908
Ref I used.
I have recently gotten into drawing from life but I find it quite boring unless I draw some person I like. I also use characters from games with 3d models. Thoughts? I was originally planning to just draw his head but decided to attempt the full photo. I know the body looks horribly proportioned. Im only used to drawing full bodies at a much smaller scale and I usually focus on them and leave the head as a simple circle/oval. Idon't get this bust stuff where everything else gets left off the page.

>>3618908
Ref I used.
I have recently gotten into drawing from life but I find it quite boring unless I draw some person I like. I also usee characters from games with 3d models. Thoughts? I was originally planning to just draw his head but decided to attempt the full photo. I know the body looks horribly proportioned. Im only used to drawing full bodies at a much smaller scale and I usually focus on them and leave the head as a simple circle/oval. Idon't get this bust stuff where everything else gets left off the page.

>>3618839
W A R P E D
A
R
P
E
D
Perspective

>>3618908
>>3618921
Made his hair longer after noticing he was going calvo. Ive been practicing the Loomis method for heads and it's the only way I can even attempt a head now.

Today in fundies we drew shapes

Feel something is off but cant see it, help me plz :(
// Drawing hair is hard!

>>3619000
>Feel something is off but cant see it

with the hair, or in general? because the first thing that jumped out at me was the odd spacing and size of the eyes in the left drawing. i feel like the eyes and nose might need a redoing in the first drawing, but it might be just me.

you've gotten everything else pretty good, including the hair.

Why are limbs so hard to draw right compared to bodies and faces?

>>3619000
Look up James Gurney ribbon method
Or if you have the book color and light it's in there too

>>3619000
Your eyes are flat and pretty much symbols. I recommend you look at some bargue plates to try to add just that tad bit of information to really make them pop a bit. Also the spacing of the eyes is a bit weird, normally from a frontal view the eyes are roughly one eye-width apart, in this case in the 3/4 view they're still more then an eye-width apart.

My wacom driver isn't working and I'm not bothered to restart my computer right now.

>>3619000
in fact, face need many practice

>>3619023
I don't think everything else is that good, but still tks for your compliment.
>>3619041
I will look up it.

>>3619043
>>3619052
Tks for useful advice XD

I just finished this today. It's based off an older drawing of mine and I wanted to make it digital to add more detail. I know the art style is unusual. Any thoughts?

>>3619039
You look at the body and face more than the limbs. That's just life.

kinda okay

>>3619317
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i really like it, how long you been drawing anon?

>>3619415
I really dont know exactly, I did very shitty stickpeople drawings in school like everybody but only there, just never thought of drawing at home.
then 2015 I doodled on my ipad with an app like once a month, got a intuos in 2016 still very little drawing but started drawing everyday end of 2017.

currently doing micheal hamptons design and invention book

hello beg.............it's been a while.............

>>3617093
wtf i hate these, im getting real clipart vibes
>>3616442
unline that paper boy.
>>3616205
on the right track, sure, but some of these are out of perspective; the ones without the extra cross guidelines look better. start putting actual faces on them to see how it looks
>>3616137
why are you saving images when pinterest literally exists so you dont have to do that
>>3616113
base forms and then ink. make sure everything's placed right. this cat looks wonky in a bunch of places
>>3616085
i like
>>3615854
what's the point of the loomis base if you dont even use it? why are you using a realism base for cartoons????
>>3615377
profile is not a good way to study 3d forms; 3/4 view is much easier to start with
>>3614997
you did fine for the size/detail/framing of the drawing

>>3619513
This is nice. The mouth is just slightly out of perspective, veering too far to her right (our left). Great values and thumbnail.

>>3619536
thank you fren
>veering too far to her right (our left)
do you mean the lower lip?

>>3619541
it would probably look more like this

I'm improving quickly. Hopefully I don't start getting discouraged when the progress slows. I know I'm not good by any stretch of the imagination, but I've only just started a few days ago.

>>3619544
here's the ref, you'll notice that a lot is different between the ref and the study but i think the lip is ok

>>3619553
To think that cloth over her eyes is solid rock.

Truly incredible mastery of the craft.

How to mirror an angled line?

Heads are hard and hair is hell.

Hey /beg/, I'm on Chapter 2 of How to Draw, and every time I draw boxes within the 60° COV, it's really hit or miss whether they look like they're floating or not. I'm keeping my VPs at a 90° angle from the SP, so what am I doing wrong? How do I decide where my floor gridlines are coming from and how do I use them? How do I keep objects on the floor while rotating them?

>>3614989
Edgy Sketches.

>>3614989
Can I learn everything digitally? I remember a few months ago I wanted to learn how to draw a bit better but I just couldn't get myself to sit down with a pen and paper, I just didn't really feel comfortable doing it. Do you think I could just buy myself a beginner's tablet or something and do all my studies on there?

>>3619656
Hello my fellow edge master

>>3619656
>black man with a swastika and 1488 tattoo
lol'd

>>3619659
yes

>>3619617
copy, paste, flip horizontally, transform to appropriate position

>>3619666
I can only transform my paper into a wad for the trash lad..

>>3619664
thanks

NEW THREAD

>>3619680
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>>3619669
use a pen and gently fold the paper onto where the line is so that an impression of it carries over

>>3615234
Lol, I love this post

>>3619641
post your image in new thread so we can take a look.

>>3619617
its in scott robertsons how to draw pdf in book thread