/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3607306
If you can imagine it, that is picture it in your mind, then you can draw it. So next time you want to jerk off try to visualise the scene, try to see as much details as you can in your mind. If you cannot see the final result in your mind you WILL not be able to draw it. Practice your mind game before your draw game.

>>3607306
Imagine the scene, simplify it to geometric forms, draw those, compare to what you had in mind, correct if necessary, repeat.

>how you're supposed to keep everything in perspective
Draw perspective lines, then. Take whatever guesswork is there out of the equation.

You're making the biggest mistake people do when approaching a difficult task: thinking you're going to get it right the first time. Literally calm down and take things slowly, one by one. If you feel you're lacking knowledge on a specific thing, study exactly that.

loomis covers everything you said and more
just read successful drawing

>>3607306
spoken like a proper beginner.

now go study perspective, anatomy and gesture and see you again in about 10k hours of drawing from model and imagination.

>>3607306
(You) will never see the good money if you waste your skills on that shit, lmao ure a pathetic lowlife idiot.

>>3607463
He smart!

is this shotacon

>cucjing krilldog
That's a no no

>>3607306
just draw already lol

>>3607306
Her face looks really wrong.

>>3607313
This, I'm trying to do this, it's so hugely important to work on.

>>3607306
I draw little sketches of the scene from the side or directly from above using simplified figures and then toss in a camera and draw rays from the camera against the little figures to find out how the things would fall into perspective in the actual painting.

>>3608444
Thank you, first actually useful piece of advice in the thread

>>3608446
You can also use a line that's at a 90 degree angle to the camera's pointing direction as a projection plane to find out the locations of things on the canvas.
But you shouldn't really trust these 100%, instead try to develop an intuition for it and only use such mechanical tricks when actually in need. The eye and the ruler are pleased by different things.

>>3608446
there were tons of useful advice, you're just picking that because you want a quick trick rather than understanding a topic, completely unaware of how your lack of understanding will have you run into another wall pretty soon

stop avoiding fundamentals, dummy

>>3608486
>muh fundies XD

Spamming that shit doesn't help, I'm already learning fundamentals you drooling retard. You're shit at advice so keep it to yourself.

>>3608495
You're just lying to yourself here if you think OP is somehow on the right path trying to do things that he acknowledges require an understanding of perspective by not studying and applying perspective. We don't call "fundamentals" that because we think they're optional on the path to basic competence, they're necessary.

If you let go of your insecurity for one second you're probably going to see that people aren't trying to hold you back by telling you to get the tools that allow you to figure out solutions to your problems, solutions that were designed and perfected over the course of hundreds of years before any of us were born. All we have to do is learn them, and that's a lot less work than coming up with the concepts and working out the kinks, but somehow we still get people thinking that's too much work while simultaneously wanting to do great things that would greatly benefit from that knowledge.

The world isn't out to get you just because reading books is hard, dude. Just calm down and do this for yourself.

>>3608498
I am OP retard.

And I am studying perspective, but I'm learning smart and scavenging the actual useful information and discarding the rest. I've learned more in my first 6 months than you did in your first 6 years, mindlessly reading every book cover to cover is a waste of time. I scan for the valuable information and I move on, you're just salty that someone is progressing faster than you. You want everyone to waste a decade like you did pissing about.

Thanks for nothing retard.

>>3608499
Where are you getting all that projection from? Post work.

>>3608499
you do a good impersonation of a beginner saying dumb beginner stuff while asking for advice and then claiming people aren't giving the advice you want because you're the beginner who knows what you want even though you're the one asking for help
tldr: lol

>>3608486
You don't understand.
Fundamentals are nothing but quick tricks. Once you understand how and why a quick trick works, you've mastered the fundamental concept behind it.
Which way does this limb point in this perspective and pose? What everything does this body part cover? How do I keep things in proportion while in perspective?
You can sketch it out on paper until you no longer need to.

>>3608505
If I'm the one who doesn't understand, how come you're the one making threads?

>>3608506
Your rage blinds you. I'm not OP.

>>3608505
This is literally one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this board. You have completely misunderstood everything about what drawing fundamentals are to such a degree that, were this board not such a cesspool, I would believe that you were purposefully trying to spread misinformation.

>>3608509
It doesn't, you just replied to a chain that made your comment come across as reinforcement of OP's misguided ideas. Because however you want to write off fundamentals, OP clearly isn't there yet if they're asking this kind of question, and it should be obvious your advice doesn't apply at all.

>>3608511
Point out the wrong, please.
What are the fundamentals of drawing?

>>3608444
I had to read this like 5 times and I still don't get it. Can u explain it again lol

>>3607313
I like how the /thread reply is getting ignored, and then half of /ic/ believes it's impossible to draw things from imagination without using references.

The fucking state of this place. It's 100% clear that what distinguishes a pro from a n00b, is not only the mathematics behind light and dimension, but the ability to construct and view a scene within their minds using those mathematical notions. This is THE way to do things, otherwise you'll just become a formulaic mess who can never even properly plan a scene in the first place, let alone a unique one. You'll be either at the mercy of your so called "visual library", or you'll be at the mercy of a blank page, and the notion of searching.

Protip: creation happens in the mind, drawing is just a medium. Stop poisoning yourself with video games and animu, and start meditating, because it's the only right way to GitGud.

>>3607306
You want to draw cushions fucking anime characters?

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>>3608498
based

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>>3608720
that's amazing, does anyone have any tips when it comes to direct drawing like this?

>>3607306
>tfw you will never cum inside android 18s big fat robo butt

>>3607306
>good body
>terrible face
fucking ruined. who drew this? looks like legoman

>>3610658
are you fucking serious. theres no information that cant be gleaned from watching the goddamn webm. literally putting marks on paper, do you draw at all?

>>3610665
Don't lose hope my friend. Sex robots are just around the corner.

>>3610658
Two things.

Draw and practice one thing until you can do it really well whenever. Whether that's shoes, hands, etc. Spend your time expanding the library of things you know in and out.

Take a piece like this, break it up into sections you draw beforehand. Practice the pose, determine the face, the background, the clothing design. etc. Finally, with all these practice pieces as reference, drawthe whole piece.

The first is a well known technique for drawing things freehand. The second is a well known technique to draw illustrations. Most of the older artists used this extensively, because they used traditional mediums where strokes were final.

>>3607306
No rule? There are so many rules.

Proportions. Anatomy. Perspective. Basic forms and gesture. Dude this is elementary shit and it's even got some issues...

How do you think this is guesswork?

>I don't understand how you're supposed to keep everything in perspective and form the basic construciton
Umm with basic shapes??? Spheres, cones, cylinders, cubes... Basic perspective?

Are you high or just a noob

Wtf?

>>3610658
You have to study your fundamentals and a lot of perspective. Kim Jung Gi also draws like this, and he got that good by drawing random shit around him (tanks, people, guns, buildings) while he was in mandatory military service.

Perspective and diligent study along with imagination is the easiest way to get to the point where you can shit stuff like this out.

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>>3610838
thanks anons

>>3610658
>Face has literally zero depth cause no guidelines
>over detailed nonsense everywhere to mask the fact that the body is shit

ngmi

>>3610658
The artist is Akihito Yoshitomi, the mangaka of Eat-Man. That is not something to learn, but an ability to gain from mileage. Oldschool comic artists and animators can draw like this, because they have to.

I included that video to show what is possible for drawing from imagination. All the other ones include some degree of sketching, planning, construction, and correction. Those are the ones to learn from. Yoshitomi is end game.

>>3610818
Stop talking you like you're anywhere near as good as the op artist.

>>3611030
how about, stop talking as if anything >>3610818
said is incorrect

there are tons of books on every subject anon pointed out, saying there's "no rules" is flat-out ignorant. OP just hasn't bothered to look up and apply the resources that are out there

>>3610838
>Kim Jung Gi
He has photographic memory. Literally.

>>3607313
how do u do this?? like with normal stuff too. i can't visualize it well enough is my problem ):

>>3611030
Uhhh you okay there bud? What the fuck triggered you lol

>>3611585
Finally someone with some common sense :\

>>3611594
Yes but he says he still had to learn and practice perspective by drawing tanks and shit look it up

>>3611612
You practice, my boy.

Start with simple forms, cubes, cylinders, cones, etc. Visualize them, then rotate them in your head. Then do boxes and try to keep their form and volume consistent while you do the same thing. From then, you just build things up and start working on organic shapes, lighting, and such. Don't forget to also practice also getting what you visualize onto paper, which is where most faggots fuck up; learning how to deal with the things you visualize is the hardest part, but it's well worth investing time in.

>>3608505
>Fundamentals are quick tricks

Less competition for me.