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3600730 No.3600730 [Reply] [Original]

A lot of my work has been criticized as being "photo-bashing", "unimaginative", "lacking narrative" etc.

So, as a challenge I'm developing a concept piece while still using my photo-bashing. (to become more well-rounded)

Some of you may remember me.

Anyways, thoughts so far? it's about 50% of the way done. No rushing, just letting my ideas and imagination dictate what is going to be drawn next.

>> No.3600732

>>3600730
>just letting my ideas and imagination dictate what is going to be drawn next.
if by that you mean
>looking through google images for more photos to bash
than you're doing great, honey

>> No.3600733

>>3600732

hahahaha, I do use references but I certainly use my past references do the rest.

Why does everyone hate on references?

>> No.3600737

>>3600733
you just aren't using them right.

References are used to enhance a piece, or fill in gaps of knowledge. You are using them to "learn", thinking that copying photos will increase a skill other than copying photos more exactly.

It's obvious from the little scribbled landscape you put the references in that you have a very limited capability when it comes to imagined work. And that's not even to say you need to be able to draw a perfect human figure from your head. Look at Picasso's etchings for example. Aesthetics can be achieved through means other than photorealism, but you seem only capable of bad "photorealistic" imaginative work.

Explaining it further will make this a blog post, but that's the gist of it. You want to be Hieronymous Bosch but you're not even close.

>> No.3600741

>>3600737

I think you over-estimate the ability of myself and 99.9999% of people who draw. Using examples of the greats as what I should be is either a death sentence or a compliment.

I draw for aesthetics, not elitism.

Again, this board just seems to be filled with salty artists who all suck at everything but understand what good art should be. I've been impressed by two posters on this board. The rest are digital artists or failed painters and elitists.

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>>3600730
Also, there's actually a name for what you're doing, even if you're doing it badly.

It's called a "world landscape". Look up Joachim Patinir. It was a Netherlandish style of painting that became very popular in Western art for a while. It's actually more or less what I'm working towards as well.


pic related is one I tried, but I have a better example i'll post in a second, I gave up on it pretty early in because it was just too daunting

>> No.3600745

>>3600744

I am doing it badly?
Would you say yours is done well? lmao

I'll have to investigate this style, it does interest me.

>> No.3600748

>>3600745
>I am doing it badly?
yes
>Would you say yours is done well?
no

You are basically trying to achieve painting landscapes so big that you can see the curvature of the earth, with small brushstrokes and subtle value shifts implying things that are gigantic.

You are, if I had to estimate, not very close to that goal, and honestly so am I, but I'm much, much closer than you.

You haven't even started to tackle value properly, let alone line quality, and I doubt you'd handle color well.


From the piece you posted you can handle some easy rolling hills, If you had to draw, say, mountains, rivers, and clouds realistically with small implied brushstrokes, I doubt you could do it.

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>>3600744
couldn't find a photo of the painting I tried, but here's a larger scale attempt at a world landscape involving the Tower of Babel that more or less failed.

>> No.3600751

>>3600730
If I had to give you advice it would be to stop drawing from photos, and draw from life exclusively for a few years. You are probably 10 years away from the skill level you need to execute what you are trying to do. 5 years to get the technique down, 5 years to learn the patience required for a world landscape.

>> No.3600763

>>3600748

lmao.

I would find it easier to deal with more detailed structures. Detail is fucking easy. Hills are difficult due to their lackluster. There's nothing to them other than shadows and grass that cannot be perceived. You have to fool the audience that there is something there. Especially without using color. Everything in your painting is detailed extremely poorly. If it weren't for the eclectic array of colors it would be absolutely shit.

The painting of the mountain lacks any trace of volume or detail. It's impressionistic in the worst way possible. I cannot even tell it is a mountain without the clouds.

Genuinely weird how people who suck at art attempt to dominate on this board. Doesn't affect me, but this is just too much.

This is my first attempt at even drawing a landscape.

>>3600751

I suppose starting from the basics 24/7 and drawing from real life would be ideal. However, I do not have that sort of timeline at my disposal. I will be at school and working very hard towards that.

>> No.3600767

>>3600763
ok got it

hey can everyone do me a favor and not respond to this idiot anymore? let the thread die and never bump anything he posts? thanks.

>> No.3600778

>>3600767

Goodbye. I'm super honest with individuals who I see inspirational works from. But you, I cannot believe how bad you are while still being the this pretentious. It looks like you just started whatever it is you're trying to do.

>I'm much closer to you
>I paint
>I attempt the same composition as the greats
>I follow their metric for everything
>I must be great

Your work just wouldn't stand out in my mind as anything but average. I see zero technical or imaginative skill outside the grasp of an average person.

You're right, let the thread 404 holy chriiisstttt hahaha

>> No.3600787

>>3600730

needs more dog anus

>> No.3600790

>>3600787
HAHAHAHA

>> No.3600805

>>3600763
lmao

>> No.3600813

>>3600744

Wow brian i really hate your pretentious fucking ass. You are just as shit as the OP

>> No.3600953

>>3600730
copy paste the thing in photoshop its much easier than copying for hand lmao

>> No.3600963

>>3600953

I bet you draw people crying with eclectic colors and call it art.

>> No.3600974

>>3600741
you fail at that, too. i think once you outed yourself as taking aesthetics as a commoners thing, pretty much set off every pleb meter in a 600 mile radius. now fuck off to the beg thread.

>> No.3600993

>>3600974

None of you can use pencils if your life depended on it.

Keep your head out of the greats ass and realize your paintings are shit.

>> No.3600997

>>3600993
>I'm the best
what an interesting opinion you have, OP

>> No.3601155

>>3600963
nice shot in the dark. you missed.

>> No.3601166

Why the fuck post here asking for crits if you're gonna get defensive when people crit you?
Saging useless thread. Post in /beg/ next time.

>> No.3601287

>>3601166

When your crit is "you're shit' from someone more shit than you - I will not take it seriously. It comes down to subjectivity more than anything. To completely eviscerate my process is not a critique. It is a "I don't like the way you draw, be more like me, because I'm correct." You help direct people towards their given style unless they want to change. I am aware of other styles, as of this moment, I am not interested in changing.

>> No.3601294

>>3601287
Another Dunning-Kruger in the making.

>> No.3601296

>>3601294
>>3601287
a baiter and a taker. you two deserve each other.

op, post more work or shut up.

>> No.3601303
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3601303

>>3601296

I just added some more

>> No.3601315

>>3601303
interested in seeing how it comes out, i don't really see where you're going, which is refreshing

>> No.3601321

>>3601315

Well thank you, I appreciate it.

2nd positive comment I've received on this board.

>> No.3601820 [DELETED] 

>>3600730
can't beat pic related: >>3597364


>>3601303
you are a hobby fag. all you do is rely on photos to copy and now - what a novelty! - you started mixing together more then two photos somewhere in the middle of the paper. It's no better than your average "creative teen notebook scribble". what is that supposed to be? you've copied the mouth and nose part, then you drew a way too even, hazy dropshadow on the edges. first, you probably did the shitty finger that you later decorated with a paper rip ("cause, you know, it's a drawing on paper, so it looks like the finger ripped right through from the back UHUHUH uhuhuh get it?!") ... and because you have no idea how to draw debth and landscapes, you've made some dirty structures that are supposed to be hills. ultimately, there is no space in the picture that makes any sense at all. and the pieces completely fall apart as a whole. it's an amateurish collage. but hey, you are the best, aren't you?

the funny thing is, the finger and dog asshole and tapeworm is 10x more interesting, conceptually. and that wasn't even your idea.

>> No.3601821

>>3600730
can't beat pic related: >>3597364


>>3601303
you are a hobby fag. all you do is rely on photos to copy and now - what a novelty! - you started mixing together more then two photos somewhere in the middle of the paper. It's no better than your average "creative teen notebook scribble".
what is all that supposed to be? first, you probably did the shitty finger that you later decorated with a paper rip ("cause, you know, it's a drawing on paper, so it looks like the finger ripped right through from the back UHUHUH uhuhuh get it?!"). you've copied the mouth and nose part, then you drew a hazy dropshadow on the edges that looks way too even. ... and because you have no idea how to draw depth and landscapes, you've made some awkward structures that are supposed to be hills. ultimately, there is no space in the picture that makes any sense at all. and the pieces completely fall apart as a whole. it's an amateurish collage. but hey, you are the best, aren't you? you're the self-proclaimed master amongst an untalented lot.

the funny thing is, the finger and dog asshole and tapeworm is 10x more interesting, conceptually. and that wasn't even your idea.

>> No.3601906

>>3601821

(Dog Anus is photoshop, given how poorly you analyze things, I am going to inform you in order to be safe).

I feel slightly gross responding to you. Considering you do not even understand the joke behind how this image started.

Anyways, I essentially pissed off everyone in a "draw this" thread. No one could draw this individuals hand to save their life. It was all completely shit. So, I just posted a finger and said "ya'll suck at pencil, suck my single finger." Everyone lost their shit. So, I keep posting this image from what spawned out of a joke.

Now, I have an army of butthurt fags who cannot draw but understand art history attempting to sodomize me hahahaha.

The fact that you think I cannot draw a finger properly and used torn paper as a cover up is actually just retarded.

Listen man, you cannot emulate anything in this entire photo. You cannot see the same shades as me, you cannot visualize form in any way that can be personally understood. I'm just unimpressed. At least we are equally unimpressed with each other?

>> No.3601908

>>3601821
Also, you think I copied some portions of the art?

As in tracing? lmao

>> No.3601974
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>>3601906
you are stupid enough to not even understand that everything except your shitty copied photo parts is a complete and utter mess.

you suck. there is no creativity in your work that goes beyond a school boy scribbling nonsense. you are unable to put it together in one image. you are collaging things together in a lame way without irony. you are trying hard, given that you have this "king of the hill" game going on as you think that you're somehow outstanding with your photo copying schtick.

i told you ten times, go on instagram. there are thousands of photo bashing shit artists like you. big deal.

>>3601906
>Dog Anus is photoshop
oh thanks! if you hadn't told me, i would have even forgotten that i made it.

>> No.3601979

>>3601908
hey med-fag
copying in an artistic context can also mean that you interpret a work in your own style. but yeah, "copying" in your context means, being a little 20yr old xerox faggot.

now go back to /b/ and tell people with skin rashes that they have aids, like the pre-med fag you are.

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>>3601974

There are thousands of good artists everywhere.

There are thousands of people stronger than me.

There are thousands of people smarter than me.

Thousands of people better looking than me.

Your point?

I seem to be missing this. I'm not trying to be better than anyone, I just so happen to be better than 99% of people on this board. You included. I wouldn't have this "king of the hill mentality" if you all weren't bitter fucks who attacked me the first time I innocently posted on this hilarious board. Continue name dropping obscure artists, you are pretty skilled at that.

I am not a master of realism, landscapes, fucking abstract shit or anything. But holy shit, it seems to be real fucking easy to be better than you.

>Just added some more details ;)

50% of this was not copied (including recent addition).

>hurr durr I can tell u suc a$$

im still ya motha's uncle

>> No.3601992

>>3601979

>Pretending there are hierarchies to 4chan
>Telling me to go to an implied low tier (/b/)
>implying elitism specifically with boards
>Simultaneously uses med-school as a pejorative.
>Pretends 4chan matters

You must be a loser hahahaha

>> No.3601997

>>3601984
>better than 99% of people
that's your problem, faggot.
you aren't.

this isn't a race. no one is trying to outdo you in fancy photobashing contests. your CONTENT sucks. you have a shit imagination. it is fridge decoration. fuck off with your skills and how "good" you are. it means nothing, if you lack the ideas. nobody is comparing dicks on how good they can photobash. there's something wired completely wrong in your tiny brain.

you don't even understand what the term "abstract" means. you seem to think that abstract is putting enlarged facial parts into made up landscapes or mashing it up with geometric shapes (and that's probably "totally outlandish" in your mind).

the core of your audacity is that you are some dingo coming here, thinking you can teach us all what art is about. you're a little nobody. if you are so sure, put it to the test. try to exhibit your drawings. bring it out there, show it to curators and gallerists. and don't come saying "haha, no i don't need that! i don't care, i know i'm awesome!". best test for your art is to get it out there. but you don't. you're just sitting there with your dick in your hands. you show your drawings to mama and papa and friends and they are super proud and you get buff from all the shoulder petting.

it's your obnoxious audacity that gets the blood boiling here.
>>3601984
>I am not a master of realism, landscapes, fucking abstract shit or anything.
no shit, Sherlock!

>50% of this was not copied (including recent addition).
wow, it's still teenager-diary-tier!

>> No.3601998

>>3601992
>You must be a loser hahahaha
no u, obviously.

>> No.3602015

>>3601997

I doubt you'll believe me, but one of my friends works in a fine art gallery. Several of the people who work there/evaluate art asked if I could teach people how to draw realistically. I couldn't do it due to the 3 hour drive.

On a serious note, this is 4chan, I am only attempting to cause drama because to some of you, this weird strange place is a home. Your genuine reactions are sort of just weird man. After this thread, I'm done trolling.

I draw as a hobby, you're essentially telling me I don't swim fast enough when I do it for exercise. This is a one sided shit fest from my perspective.


>>3601998
>:(

>> No.3602029
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>>3602015
All we said was you were bad, pre-med anon. No need to take it personally

>> No.3602033

>>3602015
you could teach people how to copy photos, sure. that is a technical thing to learn. there is no artistic talent required for that. you couldn't teach people how to work from landcsapes or from real models. that's where actual artistic skills are required.

the photo as a medium to work from in a realistic way is another form of tracing. you have all the values, colors and composition laid out for you and it won't change in any way. a literal translation of what you want to draw is a technical problem, not an artistic problem. your work lacks the foundation of creating a composition. you just start in the middle or slightly off of it with a part of e.g. the face and you work outwards from there. most of the paper isn't even being touched. you just stop at some point, leaving the face as a fragment and say "wow, it's --abstract--! how artistic!" ...

you are limited in your skills and you are afraid to admit it. in fact, all you want is to cash compliments and you really say it yourself. you are "salty" about getting negative criticism for your lack of skills. being able to chop wood doesn't make you a carpenter.

now stop being so goddamn butthurt like a little whiny brat and get comfortable with the fact that you can't impress people who actually work in the art field professionally with your sketchy skills. if you really want to improve, you have a long list of things to work on. but no, you are just an entitled little shit and up your own ass about your sensational hobby copymachine drawings that tell no story other then "i like to draw myself!"

>> No.3602141

>>3602033

I feel in the same way I could get good at photo-bashing, I could get equally as good at drawing from real-life.

Why don't I draw form real life? I'm lazy and lack the drive you guys do. If I drew from actual life I'd probably become a much better artist. I wouldn't enjoy it though unfortunately.

Maybe this is a game of semantics, but you calling my drawings bad is pretty unfair. It's so unfair that it seems absurd and doesn't even bother me.

This is going to blow your dick off, but I'd be receptive if you said, "you have the technical side of things down, but you should challenge yourself to slowly embrace a free flow of consciousness rather than a template."

I would respond well to this, I would acknowledge and move on.

However, none of you have admitted that I have technical capabilities. I only became this egocentric asshole once you all shit on EVERY aspect of my drawings - including the technical.

Will I admit that I am cheapening myself? Yes

Will I admit that your way is more fruitful in the long run? Probably

Will I do it? Probably not

Will I say you all are better than me when technically you're not very impressive? Probably not.

>> No.3602142

>>3602141
>he's bargaining now
You suck go away

>> No.3602156

>>3602142

Not bargaining, just being honest.

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>>3602156
Stop corn cobbing

>> No.3602164

>>3602159

still ya motha's uncle

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>>3601984
huzzuh

>> No.3602210

>>3602141
>I'd be receptive if you said, "you have the technical side of things down, but you should challenge yourself to slowly embrace a free flow of consciousness rather than a template."

So you’d be more receptive if we told you something you already seem to believe? My advice to you is to ditch the photobashing entirely and just see what comes out of your head, don’t worry if it’s shit. You can still draw from pictures from time to time, just get used to drawing from imagination. It seems like you’re good at drawing what you see but honestly I get nothing when I see your pictures. Your faces look like faces and your hands look like hands but that’s really it.

Also, getting mad at 4chan for being vitriolic is like getting mad at a lion cause it fucked up your dog, like sure it sucks but did you really expect anything else?

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>>3602141
>but I'd be receptive if you said,
I'm gonna say that you're a little whiny cunt, is what you are. That genius image of yourself that you had was challenged by the criticism here and you threw a little temper tantrum about it.
Yeah you do photorealistic drawing alright, that is apparent! But nothing seperates you from the sheer mass of instagram xerox artists so far. And about your drawing technically: you seem to render a pretty flat structure, working very thin and with curling movements. you should look at cross-hatching and practice that. because so far, what you do is a pretty dull rendering method and you merely try to get as close to the photo as possible without any visible mark making. that's why your cute landscape nose-finger-picture doesn't work on the whole. also, in that picture, the blackness behind the finger is dead and too dense. or it might be because you ignore the previous hint that i gave to fucking learn how to scan your freaking drawings instead of constantly uploading washed out, blurry, yellowish to dark grey mobile phone pics. because what an artist should also be capable of is doing decent reproductions of his work, if he intends to show it on the web. but no, not the "god given gift" pre-med student, who is a one-in-a-million prodigal child, a wonder of nature, an absolutely unique unicorn (in his own eyes anyhow!).

no one on /ic/ is going to sugarcoat anything for you. the criticism is harsh, but honest. you need to be able to tell who is talking out of their ass and those who actually know what they say. but if the criticism is too much for you, you should just curl up in your sunday blanket and suck your thumb.

>> No.3602251

>>3600730
Thought that was a bird lol

>> No.3602255

>>3600763
Ngmi being this defensive bro also
> Hills are difficult due to their lackluster. There's nothing to them other than shadows and grass that cannot be perceived. You have to fool the audience that there is something there.

There's visual interest in everything, part of the skill of an artist is to bring that out. Excusing your shitty hills by saying they're not interesting shows your own lack of skill as an artist.

>> No.3602411

>>3602255

I think yo failed to comprehend what I was saying.

I am saying that detail is easy due to how much there is to fixate on. Hills lack fixation therefore they are harder. I am aware of there being visual interest in everything, I am aware that it is my job as an artist to bring it out. I'm also aware hills from a micro-setting are much more difficult to convey than let's say mountains??

I'd love to see you produce work half as technical. I really would actually, I'd be impressed maybe lmao.

>> No.3602413

>>3602255

>>3601974
Here's the image reference so it's fresh in your mind. Please, provide something half as technical, I genuinely want to see this haha

>> No.3602416

>>3601984

*correction* this image

>>3602255

>> No.3602466

>>3602411
If hills are so uninteresting to you, why did you draw them? And why didn't you render them in the same style you did the finger and face?

If they're too hard for you to convey as a "micro-setting" then don't do them. Wait until you have more skill, or draw them a few times until you feel comfortable enough adding them to your main piece. That simple.

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>>3602411
Seriously man, what the hell is this shit? The thing with every one of your posts, is that, no matter what, you're right. It's not that you communicated your thoughts poorly (It is that, because I thought you were saying the exact thing the other anon thought you were saying, and you still are saying that kind of), it had to be that he didn't comprehend what you were saying. Do you think you're good for /ic/? Do you think an /ic/ full of people like you would be good? You're literally /ic/ as it is now, except with the dial turned to the max. You are literally what you're complaining about, not as good as you think you are, yet acting like you are great, even better than everyone here bar two people.

Here's a piece by some anon on this board, which I think is better than your art, and this is essentially a photobashed manga panel. Your work, while technically pretty good, is uninspired, boring both visually and in subject matter and composition. Your picture with the hills is particularly shit as it stands, may get better if you finish it, but right now it does nothing.

>> No.3602687

>>3602680
that was a bad example to post if youre trying to show him some of the skill that comes to ic

>> No.3602691

>>3602687
i'm not trying to show him some of the top skilled artists of /ic/. i'm trying to show that a piece of art which isn't as good technically as OP, can still be a lot better than are which has JUST good fundies and rendering. OP can copy a photo, or he can copy multiple photos to create a single piece, but where has he shown an example of doing that well? it's all well and good if all you want to do is copy photos, you've copy them well. but for me, and a lot of people here, that's a complete science and no piece of you goes in to it other than your desire to do it.

>> No.3602756

>>3602687

OP here, this just further adds to my delusion.

Not sure why people compare that to my work. It just makes me laugh more and more. >>3602680

>> No.3602764

>>3602756
>this just further adds to my delusion.
is this really OP? you admit to your delusion? we're done here.

>> No.3602769

>>3602764

That was sarcasm, considering >>3602680 displayed a 3rd grader's DeviantArt project as evidence to support me being bad, hence highlighting my delusion. He then simultaneously highlighted his own delusion. It fucked with me man, I don't want to go back to that dark place.

We must all be delusional.

>> No.3602774

>>3602769
wasnt evidence to support you being "bad", it was evidence to support your art not being as good as you think it is. did you read? it's technically great, it has nothing else going for it though. nothing. it's like comparing two movies, where one movie has absolutely stellar cinematography, but shitty story, characters, script, while one movie has great story, characters and script but absolutely piss poor cinematography.

>> No.3602776

>>3602774

But the piece you provided was bad in every single setting. So you picked a really gay example.

I here what you're saying though. I think you give my art less credit than it deserves as far as meaning is concerned. I did create a meaning for this piece. I think you guys just really hate technical artists who haven't taped into their imagination.

>> No.3602804

>>3602776
No, we hate artists who are cunts bro, look how much hate illastrat gets, it's because he's a cunt who thinks he's better than he is. But in all honesty yes people don't particularly like artists around here who have little to no creativity to offer, such as copying photos and trying to achieve photorealism while doing it. You do you bro, that's what I say, but don't make some dumb post bragging about your talent, and how you're a better artist than most people here, when almost none of us value purely technical art over more creative stuff produced with decent fundamentals. There are a few reasons people also value drawings from life more, as in motion you tend to apply that to your piece in some way. Maybe you should try painting or adding colour, I myself much prefer realistic painting when compared to photorealistically graphite drawings. If you want somewhere for critique, where people actually appreciate photorealism a lot more, go reddit and Instagram, they're both good.

>> No.3602814

>>3602804

I was never a cunt when I first posted. I just asked, "what do you think of this particular drawing?"

Got nothing but harsh negative comments from people who could not draw technically or creatively (they proved this).

This caused me to literally just go on a trolling episode.

I hear you though. I'm considering drawing from life more.

>> No.3602824

>>3602814
Yeah but most people are level headed enough to realise that instead of sperging, they can just either take the comment or ignore it. Maybe you can push back with a joke or something, but instead you made two threads crying about no one wants to compliment your drawings. Some people here are just crabs who are jealous, some people say those negative things simply to rile you up, and it worked.

>> No.3602827

>>3602824

I view 4chan inherently as a joke.

I do not view social mores as something applicable on the internet.

I had a lot of fun doing this and actually learned a lot about something I never really knew anything about.

>> No.3602830

>>3602827
Great man, consequently I learned nothing, I was replying to you in the other thread as well, glad you could take something from me. Now go develop yourself.

>> No.3602831

>>3602830
Sounds like sarcasm but it's not.

>> No.3602887

>>3600730
Anon your values are pretty nice and all but please use line weight too. They really help a lot

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Homey I just draw stuff I see on pinterest. Theres no shame in it. Also no bully, I know it's sideways and her ass is flat.

>> No.3603090

>>3602887

What do you mean by line weight?

>>3602946

Keep up the good work brah

>> No.3603634

>>3601984

A genuine attempt to help you, OP: Drop your pretentious bullshit, accept that you are shit and strive to be better. That's how everyone progresses, not by masturbating to their own works "I'm pretty good".

I see portfolios like yours far too often. Your work and the things you say raise a lot of flags that would make me immediately reject your application without round two. There is not much technical skill present in your work, and it seems that you rely mostly on the content of the image to make an impression. Unfortunately your piece fails at that too,- while it's nice to spitball and just let your mind take you, it makes for shit content. It's utterly uninteresting and the elements you have are clumsy and juvenile, and remind me of something I did when I was 14.

Understand that it's okay to be shit, everyone is shit until they """"""""make it"""""""", what everyone is getting their butts rustled about is your obnoxious attitude of "I'm good" whilst being utterly terrible. You could have asked "what can I do to improve on the content then?" or "what can I do to improve on the quality then?" and then worked on it. It seems that your ego has doomed you to eternal stagnation. What a waste.

>> No.3603877

>>3603634

OP has shown in numerous posts about how he thinks people see him and what kind of praise he gets (some tiny gallery mongoloid pushed his ego saying he could give "courses" on drawing) that he is helplessly in love with himself. Like Illastrat comparing himself to DaVinci drawings, med-fag is absolutely certain that he is an undiscovered genius. "I'm better than all of you!", is what he says. If view his skills in other respects than as a 10c xerox copy of a bw photo cut-out, he will be quick to say "I'm not even professional! haha. I still beat you!". Like going to a counter in a bank with a finger under your shirt, saying "give me all your moneys or I will he shoot you, pew pew! haha, didn't even mean it!"
When you give him perspective on how non-genius his work is, he is going "just trolled you guys, because you were mean to me!".

In the other thread, he responded to that landscape anon: "I respect you, because you are better than me!" - like art is some kind of linear developement where everyone peaks at the same point with the same works. This is really how outsiders think about art creation: Having such a limited understanding of artistic disciplines and techniques that you suppose it's like ticking stuff off of a grocery shopping list.

Learning to draw well is just a fundament. You can base your work on this skill, as it's basically a tool to bring ideas into existence. If you lack the ideas or if they are genuinely boring and uninspired, it's like putting a fancy door handle on a brick wall.

best part about his rant is that when he feels cornered, he's like "all you guys do is name-dropping. none of you are actually good at it yourself". When you have a broad and general understanding of artistic media - drawing, sculpture, painting, video and so on - you can assess individual aspects about it such as composition, colors, texture, dynamic. Just because your main work is in ceramics, doesn't mean you have no idea about other artistic media.

>> No.3603879

just to feed his "you guys are just name-dropping!" argument more, here's Paul Noble, an artist that draws extremely well and chose to do semi-naive large drawings that are reminescent of twisted childrens book illustrations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIVNYEev_ck

I think he won the Turner prize.

>> No.3603881

>>3603877

I think you're on point with what you are saying. Here, sadly, the word of a hobbyist and a professional counts equal amounts. Do any other professionals actually seriously engage in these conversations?

>> No.3603887

>>3603881
>Here, sadly, the word of a hobbyist and a professional counts equal amounts.
How do you mean?

>> No.3603891

> I respect you, because you are better than me

I respected him because he was better at what I want to be good at.

I think you all are bad because technically I find a lot of you lacking. Yes, you can argue my imagination is lacking, and I'd agree. However, I will always value technique and accuracy over imagination.

>> No.3603917

>>3603891
>However, I will always value technique and accuracy over imagination.
the mindset of a car mechanic is no good in art.

>> No.3603979

>>3603887
I mean that without posting "evidence" it's not always readily apparent which is which. Not to mention that it's always easy to bullshit, too.

>> No.3603986

>>3603979
>easy to bullshit
I find it easy to spot baseless bullshitting.

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>>3603090
Something like this. I know there's a picture explaining line weight, I don't have it but I'll try my best to explain; Light lines on areas that are hit by light or has less weight while heavy lines on areas not lit by light and feels heavy.

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>>3603090
Like this, light lines feels like they weight less or is being hit by light while dark lines feel like they weight heavy and aren't hit by light. There's a picture floating around that better explains light weight, I hope you find it.

>> No.3604041

>>3603986

You have a better view at things from higher up, definitely.

>> No.3604050

>>3604041
yeah, the "been there, done that" sort of thing.