/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3589324
Bored

>>3589324
I would not mind getting a book with an original drawing on it, how much does it cost altogether btw?

>>3589343
uh idk, guess kim jung gi is kinda expensive nowadays

>>3589343
The books are over 100 and the sketch 30-40 I think.

>>3589350
Id get one if i could for sure

kim confirmed he cant draw anime lmao what are those proportions

>>3589444
it looks fine to me?

>>3589324
Who cares?

>throws pen across room
>cries in the corner

>>3589444

>>3589324
"Talent isn't real"

>>3589458
Only illiterate people deny the fact that certain people have natural mental dispositions that allow them to excel at drawing. Just because we can't yet put our finger on what part/process in their brain is more effective doesnt mean it doesn't exist.

>but they worked hard
No fucking shit but many people who put in more effort don't reach their level

>>3589478
Show me a mofo who draws more than KJG.

>>3589458
What's a bigger meme on this board?
Talent or Loomis?

>>3589478
>No fucking shit but many people who put in more effort don't reach their level

show me someone who has been drawing all day, and actively trying to get better, everyday for years and years that isn't at a professional grade level

>>3589507
Me

>>3589324
inspired

>>3589484
>>3589507
Kek. Of course you only hear about the success stories. The guys who drew all day and night for a decade and never improved will shut their mouth and keep drawing for fun or get discouraged and stop.

Let's not ignore the fact a lot of them have either been good since they were kids or improved very quickly when they started later in life. Drawing a lot is important for every one but we're talking about how fast you improve and what ceiling do you reach and cease improving, regardless of what age you start drawing seriously.

There are literally people who cant think in pictures. They may have high verbal skills but can't visualize simple forms in their head.

Regardless this is not an argument to stop drawing or neck yourself. You don't need to be that great to make a living of your art or enjoy creating art.

He has no taste, and can only draw things recognizable as human. Never takes anything a step above or below a likeness. Simply draws a face and moves on. Not the mark of a great artist.

>>3589558
>Kek. Of course you only hear about the success stories. The guys who drew all day and night for a decade and never improved will shut their mouth and keep drawing for fun or get discouraged and stop.


it's more like that that's not a thing that happens anon.

>>3589507
Brian?

>>3589324
Idk, i don't care about KJG as an artist.

>>3589561
>Not the mark of a great artist.
snibbity

>>3589484
>>3589507
>>3589558
People accept the influence of physical attributes in athletics but are afraid to do the same for mantal attributes in cognitive tasks.

Both nature and nurture have influence to some extent.

>>3589324
>>3589444
> how does it make you feel?

>>3589478
The guy is in his forties, he's been drawing hours a day for decades.

Moderndayjames studies Kim Jung Gi and built an ability to draw like him on command. Drawing from imagination with no construction is do-able for anyone whose drawn enough. 90% of /ic/ can't and won't and that's fine, but if you want to be able to do it, you can train yourself to.

The main thing you should worry regardless of how you construct your drawing is how the final product looks. That's all that anyone cares about.

>>3589632
>Drawing from imagination with no construction is do-able for anyone whose drawn enough.
Even people with aphantasia?

>>3589324
Boring as fuck

>>3589644
Aphantasia is a meme, people who think they suffer from it are delusional.

>>3589644
>aphantasia

snowflake illness? yeah, them too.

>>3589652
>>3589658
But I literally can't picture anything in my mind. I can't even visualize my grandmother's face even though I see her everyday since the day I was born.

>>3589660
whatever you are assuming doesn't exist

>>3589660
You aren't sick you just have too high expectations of your brain.

>>3589665
So people can't actually visualize an apple or whatever in their mind? How are you supposed to draw from your imagination then?

>>3589561
you haven't seen his other stuff apparently

>>3589669
Look man, if everyone could see pictures in their head like they can see pictures on computer screen we wouldn't be hoarding reference images forever and ever because we would just look into our magical minds and see whatever we wanted to see.
But normal people don't have that kind of magical photo viewing tool in their brain.

What you think visualization is, isn't actually what it is.

>>3589683
I don't even have it a little bit. Can't see squat.

>acquire a visual library
>draw from your imagination
>feel the shape in your mind
What's the point of saying shit like that, then?

>>3589665
>>3589683
I hope you're joking.

>>3589688
Than anon is in denial mode and cant accept the fact some people can visualize well and he can't.

>>3589688
It has more to do with muscle memory than brain power.
It's not about seeing in your head, it's using knowledge of things you have seen and observed.
You won't be able to "see" your dear grandmother in your head but you know what she looks like. You know what her hair color is like, you know what the color of her eyes is and the shape of her head. If you actually looked her in the eyes for once you would know these things and if you gave it some thought you could draw it. You don't need some kind of silly image viewer in your brain to do that.

>>3589688
have you ever watched a tv show before? When you watch do you ever remember scenes from beforehand at all?

how about video games? Do you know what the overwatch logo looks like?

>>3589696
Knowing the color of her hair and eyes does not mean I can see the shape of her eyes, head, hair, body. Can't visualize anything. Not even a fuzzy image.

>>3589702
Nope. Like, I can remember dialogue but it's impossible to recreate a scene in my head.

>>3589703
Quit your excuses, draw your grandma while she's still alive.
You don't have to see the shape of her eyes to remember them, if you don't remember then that means you didn't spend enough quality time with your grandma, you monster.

>>3589705
how did you come up with the thought of posting that >>3589703 picture? Or did you just go through your files of pictures that you can't think of to respond to that anon?

>>3589711
I just have a folder of images I go through. It's not like I picture them in my mind.

Holy shit anons in this thread claiming you can't see images in your head made me realize why a lot of people failed a technical drawing class i had when i was in school. The exams require you to rotate complex object in your head and draw it from a different perspective.

I had the highest score in the class and been wondering why people found it hard. Jesus fucking Christ, some of you can't even visualize your relatives in your head? How about some thing as simple as a candle lit in a dark room?

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others cant. And it's not something magical as some of you are making it out to be. It's similar to what you see in your dream except clearer and you have control over what you see.

>>3589725
Can't see anything, just a black void full of nothing. The only thing I haven't tried to fix this is psychedelics.

>It's similar to what you see in your dream except clearer and you have control over what you see.
I never have dreams as well. Or if I do, I never remember them.

>>3589658
>>3589665
>Scientists can't match my "snowflake" diagnosis.

>>3589729
Sorry anon, i had no idea such thing existed. Except I've heard a talk where some one was mention people who can only think in words vs people who can think in pictures but didnt pay much attention to it.

Anyway i wasnt trying to be a d/ic/k in the last post. Was annoyed by the other anons.

>>3589324
Nervous. Imagine if he made the one wrong stroke.

>>3589737
I'm wondering if it's even possible to be an artist with something like this. Pretty much every book you read every lecture you watch comes down to "visualizing what you want to draw".

>>3589743
You can go to the fine arts. most concept art requires visualization. You are trying to explain forms in simple shapes, which requires you to visualize it in your head first.
At least in fine art you can rely on copying what you see, if you are in to that type of art. Have you tried copying a photograph as you see it?
Can you transfer the shapes to paper?
If you can't you can also use proportional divider. It can help you see relative distance between two points better

>>3589739
Why would he? He can see what he wants to draw in his head, clear as day. And he's done it enough that he can easily put it on the paper accurately the first time everytime.

>>3589725
If you could visualize something as clear as you claim, you'd have no excuse to not be as good as KJG. So either you are lying or you are exaggerating your ability to visualize here because we all know your art is remarkably shit for having apparently such great visualization.

>>3589703
>Can't visualize anything
not with that attitude

>>3589669
It's a sensation. Like you can sense what it should look like. You think about the angles and figure out perspective. The image takes form once you draw it. You don't actually see a fucking image in your brain.

>>3589737
>I've heard a talk where some one was mention people who can only think in words vs people who can think in pictures
Sounds like utter pseudoscience (read: the field of psychology)

>>3589792
I'm not >>3589725 but I agree with them and would like to add that KJG is like an olympic weightlifter vs me, who has also learned to visualize, but I don't have the same muscular finesse for putting thoughts on paper like KJG does. This is where practice comes in. have you seen KJGs 2007 sketchbook? he's done so many reps over years so to speak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpfYkSK3W7M

>>3589739
for him that's like being nervous for writing one letter wrong

>>3590496
I wish someone would scan the 2007 one, it looks so dense with content

>>3590759
same