/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3588533
Something 2nd hand. Stay away from chinese product.

>>3588536
In case of 2nd hand, which one would you recommend?

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>>3588533
Don't skimp out on a tablet like that. Save your money to buy a top tier Cintiq. And to be honest, if you're on a budget, you're not making enough as-is with your art, meaning you're probably not that good, meaning these tablets won't help you if that's your motivation for buying one.

>>3588586
Calm down those mental gymanstics. What if the reason Op wants it is because he just isn't good with a non-display tablet (Which is really common)?
which by your logic would restrict him from being good at art, which wouldn't let him get more money, which wouldn't let him buy a proper tablet.
Also you are implying Cintiq is the only display tablet worth someones money, which nowadays is not true.

>>3588586
>meaning you're probably not that good, meaning these tablets won't help you if that's your motivation for buying one.
false

>>3588586
What a fucking leap of imagination, how do you know he isnt a wage slave who doesnt sell art yet? fuck off trying to crush people's spirits

>>3588539
13HD if you have limited space. If you can steal a 22HD for 700 or 800 then by all means. Otherwise the 21UX is a good model. If you can get the DTK2 and not the first one. I believe DTK2 came out the same time as the 22HD and were discontinued later but are still used in studio settings.

The older one works just fine too. If the hentai moon druglords still use it then it's still a good tablet.

>>3588651
For reference this is the first gen model 21UX. The other one has intous 5 style buttons on the side and is more darker.

>>3588651
>The older one works just fine too.
By that you mean the 13HD?

>>3588660
no DTK1 but 13HD works fine as well

>>3588665
Thanks for the advice!

>>3588533
I like Yiynova. I have a 20" 1080p tablet I got for around $500 I think.
There is no tilt but I generally don't like having to hold my pen straight up to draw thin lines.

xppen 16 pro is an option

I've always wanted to try one before I buy. i guess I could use Amazon and abuse the return. I just hate drawing with the pen tablet on a canvas that is like 6by4 inches wide on my screen, and then if I zoom, I don't see the whole picture. I don't know if it's a lack of hand eye, or what, but good Lord.

Does anyone else dislike the UI on Photoshop?

what do you guys think about that Kamvas 13 pro that's coming out in september for $400? is it worth waiting for?

i got the monoprice 22in from amazon and it's been going strong for 2 years now. however the first one i got was kinda wonky and heated up fast. told amazon and they sent a 2nd one to compare and let me keep whichever of the 2 worked best. spent like 400 on it

>>3588684
Is it good?

Waht do you guys think about the Huion Gt-185?

What's a good entry level tablet for someone doing this as a hobby?
Keep in mind I wanted one for years and I wanna treat myself

>>3588858
Seconded.

Does anyone have any opinions about the xp-22 vs the huion counter part? I see that the Gaomon 15.6 is very well received as well.

Thanks

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>>3588586
"did you just assume my skill?you piece of garbage check your privileges!"

I'm sitting here and debating whether i should get a
>wacom 13hd
>wacom pro 13
or going all in with a
>wacom pro 16
I have the desk space and money, i might be a little low on cash for the rest of the month if i go for a 16 but i would be mostly fine. I have experience with the 13hd, I used it when i studied animation for 2 years, but since then I've been going all traditional at home, I haven't been animating since and that's my main reason for getting a tablet, plus doing some comics (clean-up and coloring)
Now my questions are
>whats the difference between a 13HD and a Pro13?
>Is the 16 even worth it for someone that draws every day but doesn't actually do any professional work? Is the difference in size worth it?
>any other models that i have completely missed that are much better?

>>3589978
24pro is only 500 more and comes with the remote which is a godsend

>>3589989
It does look nice, i agree. But I really cant justify why I would need that much screen space. I'm used to drawing tiny as fuck details on a4 paper with an ink brush...
I'm not going to paint digitally on it, unless it really wins me over, at the moment i still like traditional painting more.

I have done some more research though, I think it stands between the 13 or 16 pro, not hd since its become outdated. Having no side buttons suck, but maybe i can make it work with my keyboard, who knows, or I'll suck it up and buy the remote

>>3589978
Pro 13 is less than 13" diagonally, which for a screen display is pretty small for a lot of people. Intuos can at least be used on any screen size but with pro 13 you're stuck.
And if you're in the market for the 16", you might as well spend $500 more for 50% more screen space on pro 24", like I did.
I know 24" is a full grand more than 13" but if you can manage it, save money for a bit longer. You'll be glad you did, I went from intuos medium to cintiq pro 24 and my world was rocked

Have you guys considered getting an laptop with a touchscreen and a stylus?
Something like thinkpad lenovo x220, pic related. They're dirty cheap.

>>3590024
drivers are an issue

>>3590034
Could you elaborate?
My friend have one and it seems to be working just fine - it detects pressure when he's drawing in photoshop.

>>3590020
Alright, thank you for your input!
I'm putting the 13 out of the equation, even though I felt fine with it back in school.
16 still seem like the sweet spot though, I feel like you can get very far as long as you have that zoom functionality.
With that said, i could afford the 24 by the end of the month, but it sounds excessive for someone that isn't a pro, i wont make any income on this, not a beginner either of course, I'm well experienced with photoshop and tvpaint.

I want to go for a cintiq13 but everyone on /ic/ says is way too old. What do?

Since you're on the topic of tablets I'll ask a question. After like an hour or two my back starts to fucking hurt from being hunched over to draw. Yeah the tablet is just laying on the table, any recs for what to buy to prop it up? And please not a 200$ proprietary wacom JewStand(tm).

>>3590634
Its fine, but yes, its too old.

>>3590634
get the huion kamvas 13 pro, its better and half the price.

>>3590034
I mean seriously, tell me what do you mean with those issues.

I just want a tablet to draw digitally when I'm in a bus. I can get thinkpad lenovo x230 for just 100$ and I don't want to spend ten times that on a newest laptop with touch screen and stylus if this one works just fine.

>>3588586
Bad advice. You need to practice with digital interfaces to get good at them.

>>3590064
Yeah pro 24 is kind of overkill if you're not a pro but it's still super comfy to draw on. And 16" is small enough to fit in a backpack if you'd like. Can't do that with 24
That said, you get a lot of value out of the $500 jump from 16 to 24 considering the prices on these things (50% more screen for 33% more money). If you need that $500 to live more than you need it for drawing, then by all means save it.
I went 24 because I worked all summer and wanted to treat myself. If I ever feel like preferring the 16 I'll just sell mine and get the other at not too huge of a loss

>>3588586
Bitch please. I personally have an Intros Small and I suck shit at getting it to look right. A display tablet is more reminiscent to working on paper, but in digital form.

Even if he isn't good, getting one would help jump start that incentive of getting good if he's focusing on digital.

>>3590680
I've never used a tablet, but would it not be feasible to get an actual drawing board (the kind that look like giant clipboards) and prop it against the table with your tablet leaning against it? Maybe some kind of lap pillow under the tablet for height?

>>3590034
>I don't know what else to say to discourage wacom concurrence

>>3590680
>>3594109

Oh and also google 'tablet pillow', they're like triangle shaped pillows with a pocket on one side to stick the tablet in. Again never even held a drawing tablet so just throwing random stuff out there.

>>3590680
I got 2 pieces of wood, cut em to dimension, one more thin piece to hold the tablet attached to the bottom of the top piece, went to hardware shop got some hinges and then ripped a toolbox lid stand off an old tool box, cut it down to suit, then slapped all together. Got some lacquer I had lying around, made some edges rounded, tidied it up in general.
I didn't wanna pay anything myself, one for my tablet was $85 + shipping, this cost me the price of the hinges and only cause I was picky.
not that this is what you should do I just wanted to tell someone for awhile now, was really happy with myself.

>>3588533
Fuck tablets. You could buy like 300 canvasses for that amoutn.

>>3594496
Yeah, and after those 300 paintings tablet still works just fine. And you don't have to buy additional paints, brushes, mediums, palettes, masking tapes.
Tablet that OP mentioned is a bit overpriced, but generally speaking digital painting is much cheaper than traditional.

>>3590024
I've got one, its a bit too gimmicky. If its the only thing you have then of course its good but I still use my Wacom Bamboo over it due to calibration problems, especially when you get too close to the edges of the screen. Still a solid laptop so get one anyway

>>3594705
>digital painting is much cheaper than traditional.
and
then again, printing digital works on proper paer with proper quality is hella expensive as well, starting at around $40-70 for an artprint A4 color on heavy paper.
not to mention that there is no original copy, it's always in the program. it is completely flat and has no aura (see Walter Benjamin) that a traditional work has.

digital is and always be just an immitation: inferior, flawed and always only existing as "a copy"

>>3594496
why do you draw eyes as a symbol of an eye ? eyes arent two flat lines connected to make a rim , you need to start looking at what you see instead of drawing everything as a flat symbol , its better to even represent eyes as some blobs and shadows that drawing a cartoon , thats why even in low res photos people still look natural and real, even if there only few pixels to represent the eye in photo those dots of pixels placed right look just fine , your drawing a cartoon instead of drawing what you actually see

>>3595350
he can't do any better.
that's the result of excessive tracing. complete lack of understanding. you sit there, trace with the method of your choice, the result is a shabby mess, but since you don't know any better and have no facilities to assess your own artistic progress, you are satisfied and happy.

is a 27qhd for 1k usd a good deal? comes with a 4 year extended warranty

Fuck Wacom OP. Just get a Huion. I have one after I had a Wacom and I love it better than Wacom.

>>3588533
Ink, Brush, Paper that's all you need.

>>3588533
got my cintiq 24hd 2nd hand for 1400, almost as heavy as me, its nice and its my first pen display but to be honest i think its to big i dont use all the screen, i cant let go my PC keyboard because i memorized all the shortcuts along the years and i often think if i should have bought the 16hd
so my conclusion is the concensus of this board buy a cintiq product, and i'l go for the new piece of wacom cintiq tech that is the 16hd from a trustworthy store 2nd hand

>>3596173
Which one?

I fucked myself few months ago buying a Cintiq 27qhd when I could have waited and gotten a Cintiq 24 pro, meanwhile I was in cast and didn't even use it for the few months since...

>>3595439
What the fuck where is this. That sounds impossible, refurbished currently costs 1700 euro

>>3596189
Honestly get rid of this trash, and get qhd or pro. I had 24, after some time its backlight breaks and you end up with a worthless slab of glass

>>3599291
it's used

>>3599298
That's still way too cheap given it has 4 fucking years of warranty on top. Link deal so I can properly advise you.
I personally have cintiq27qhd and surface pro 2017

>>3599302
i can't
it's on one of those "local buy and sell" apps
the seller says he was planning on using it but never got around to it after setting it up

>>3599311
So it's a scam, a random seller can't provide you with 4 years warranty, check with the store it's purchased from if theres any warranty and how you can service it if you decide to buy it. Even for used it's price is too low. For such price it'll have to be without accessories and pen/power brick or cracked.

>>3599302
How's Surface compare to Cintiq?

>>3599326
It's shit for drawing desu, id have gotten a Samsung book 12 with it's Cintiq pen instead. I might do a review these days comparing the crap N-trig. Thing is I like surfaces design and that it's fanless, great secondary machine but bad for drawing

>>3599339
Based on the N-trig tech you always get slight jitter when drawing, and it affects line quality. Workable with Clip studio, if you like lag. Sucks allot with Photoshop

>>3599339
So this Samsung would be better for drawing? How so?
I can't imagine any tablet that can win against Mobilestudio pro but it's price doesn't really tempt me.

>>3599380
The Samsung Galaxy book uses the same technology as Cintiq, and comes with 7th gen i5 processor, while the mobile studio comes with 6th gen Intel, it's bulkier and has worse aspect ratio. Once you try 3:2 on smaller device you can't go back to 16:9