/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3573436
anything which involves a great act of will is childish nonsense

you can't lose weight by just not eating 6 days a week because you won't do it, so it's a bad plan.

you won't cut yourself off from society and study 10 hours a day, so it's a bad plan.

whenever you want to do something consider doing it like a normal human would do it first. and try make that work.

>>3573436
Some people have the temperament for it, that being said they'd never ask that question -- so you do not.

Peter Han said he studied like 60 hours a week IIRC. Feng also did it.
My conclusion is you can do it only if you are Asian, it seems.

Your brain function will deteriorate if you don't interact at all, fool. You don't need to torture yourself to work 10 hours a day. Just work yourself up to it gradually. Build a habit.

PS
>>3573445
>anything which involves a great act of will is childish nonsense

Spoken like a simpleton. Consistent behavior change is in itself a great act of will. What you tried to retell (w/o understanding it) is that sudden, frantic surges of activity are usually ineffectual in the long run.

By struggling everyday we overcome our own weakness and transform ourselves. Achieving mastery in an artistic field is a great feat that requires more than a year. It needs a lifetime. You can become competent within 2 years certainly. 1 year is beyond anyone who already isn't habituated to huge amount of fine manual labor. It even exceeds purely physical ability fgor vast majority of people.

>>3573575
I disagree. I spend my time drawing and reading about different philosophies on loneliness. Really makes you think.

>>3573478
It’s sad that Han will only ever produce souless curiousities. He’ll never be a real boi

>>3573648
Ex: People like Thoreau and Nietzsche would go off on their own to do some self introspection. Every now and then artists have to realize that people don't necessarily die due to lack of interaction. Self-proclaimed artists usually have it bad with loneliness when they don't incorporate any sort of thinking in their lives. I'm pretty sure a bunch of them go really mental.

>>3573648

Someone w/o a coping mechanism will deteriorate. If you suddenly go into isolation and just bet on your force grind becoming your substitute for interaction you will bounce off that shit within a week or three.

OP is likely a normie who feels distracted by social life. He'll get fucked up like a solitary confinement inmate.

>>3573436
>sad lawn

Haha, I was just looking at his blog a little while ago. Still no update.

>>3573648
autistic right wing incel

>>3573445
this

before you can push yourself, you have to be resolute.

its not about willpower. its about having your feet firmly planted in the earth giving support all the way up your legs to your backbone and neck, thus lifting your eyes up, and giving you a sense of direction. anybody can tout 10 hours of work a day, we've all been there. but keep on keeping on with your head stuck in the sand and see how all your ideas become poison.

>>3573436
It is irrelevant non-sense. Just draw and study. Focus on the artistic challenges in front of you. It will take as long as it takes.

>>3573653
>soulless

This is a cope word for draftlets who will never, ever produce anything remotely at the level of the work they spit on.

>>3573436
I mean, how much different can it be from being a NEET that spends 10+ hours a day playing videogames or watching anime? If anything it can be even more engaging than some boring games and animu Ive watched.

Also it depends on how fun can you make your study sessions. Sometimes I put on some good music and get some inspiration from reading manga while I draw or I just happened to pick an interesting subject and I could go on forever.

>>3573445
you don't act on will. you grow and maintain a healthy relationship with it.

>>3573436
nothing is stopping you but if you're already pathetic enough to need validation from strangers about this decision you will likely fail fast.

>>3573445
>consider doing it like a normal human
and never be a great man.
you are fucking weak faggot.
have fun never getting anywhere

>>3574455
spat the creature, as he solved a captcha while tossing and turning in his bedding.

>>3574455
yikes, thats going in my "4chan posters with no self awareness" compilation

>>3573436
>you can't lose weight by just not eating 6 days a week because you won't do it, so it's a bad plan
he doesn't know about OMAW boomer on /fast/

There is a time for (nearly) everything : a time for company, a time for loneliness. Gotta have a good balance between both...

>>3573445
Underrated

>>3573478
They say these things to raise a mental barrier to entry for competitors. In a word, crabs

>>3574467

>>3573436
It's possible if:

A) you remove any potential distractions
B) you have a clear goal and steps to get there
C) most importantly, escalate your study in humble increments. Demand too much of yourself too fast and you'll relapse into old habits.

>>3573436
>in a year

no, that's still only 3650 hours and most people who have gotten good have more hours than that put in over the years that it took them to git gud

if I was guaranteed to become a top tier professional artist in a year of 10 hour study days, I would literally do it right now by living on my savings but that is not even remotely going to work for many reasons but also it's just not enough time

>>3573478
Also Zorn supposedly painted basically all day.

>>3573436
Possible, but very inefficient. A much more productive approach is to maintain a regular social contacts, get out with your friends at least once a week and clock 6/8+ hours of art on the other days (also do work from imagination every day, studying by itself is useless without regular practical application).
Morale and psychic health are extremely underrated by new artists, as well as sleep time.

>>3573478
Both of them were surrounded by like-minded artists/students, so they never had problems with socializing.

>>3573436
It's an excuse for when they fail.
If it sounded attainable it would harm their ego.

>>3573436
This ebola guy is firing on all cylinders.

>>3573436
>Is it even possible to isolate yourself from society and study 10 hours a day
Yeah. Easy peasy. Hard not to at a certain point.
>and git gud in a year?
The event horizon is infinite.
>Or is this just childish nonsense?
Anything that motivates you forward is good. Everything is "childish." It's all just memes and rules and games that we play with ourselves. It's all just a goof.

>>3573436
For some people it is extremely easy to lose themself in one thing. They have to will themself to be normal people and snap out of it, and go brush their teeth or shop for groceries, or pay attention to their family.

Others are so immersed in other people that when left alone, they find places like 4chan where they can still observe and interact with others.

>>3573436
>Is it even possible to isolate yourself from society and study 10 hours a day
Yes, many people here are already idolated from society
>and git gud in a year?
No, nothing is guaranteed except you will be better then when you started.

>>3573436
I know people might thing that sounds edgy af but I particularly loved it, particularly the last part since it reminds me to the Myth of Sisyphus

>>3578403
>since it reminds me to the Myth of Sisyphus
closest thing I have to religion

>>3573930
>reading about philosophy makes you a wizard

really jitters my noggin

Treat it like a job, you have set hours, tasks, and objectives everyday you grind. Write a curriculum, determine what milestones you need to hit and when. Make sure that when you set you work hours, stick with them, especially when you start and stop. Pay yourself a salary, preferably from a day job, having separate obligations make you deliberate with your time. I personally take 20% off the top of my check if I make all my hours that week, get yourself something nice or put it toward supplies/classes/book an' shit. If you need time off, schedule it a week in advance, gives you something to look forward to as well as keeping you honest and not just skipping out of work when you feel like it. Have an overarching goal to guide your practice. Focus on daily achievements. Get regular sleep, excercise and eat better. Meditate for better focus.

Here's something to get you started. Create one piece at the start (now) using 100% of your current ability (meaning longer than one sitting to complete). This is you baseline which you will compare yourself to a year from now. You ONLY goal for this year is to beat this piece at the end of it. Nothing else. You now have a concrete way to measure your progress and an attainable goal that you have complete control of.

Bonus: Your ability to retain information drops sharply after 4 hours of focus, if you absolutely insist on grinding for 10+ hours make sure the majority of those hours are spent on application.

>>3578512
>Treat it like a job
if you're gonna do that may as well get a real one with better pay and upward direction.

>>3578521
>Pay yourself a salary, preferably from a day job, having separate obligations make you deliberate with your time

>"The greatness of an artist is not measured by the beautiful sentiments that he arouses - only girls can think along these lines - but by the degree to which he approaches the grand style. This has in common with great passion the disdain of pleasure; he forgets to persuade, he wills ... To make himself master of the chaos that one is, to force his own chaos to become form, mathematics, law - that is the grand ambition. Around such despotic men a silence is born, a fear, similar to what is felt at a great sacrilege."

theres nothing connecting me to society. they all think im werid and they just cant stand any ammount of honesty.I draw 3-6h a day with no human conntact beside meeting with my friend 1-2 times per month.

Also fuck every artist they all leftie woman and faggots.

and fuck you too.

>In a superior civilization, as, for example, that of the Indo-Aryans, the being who is without a characteristic form or caste... would emerge as a pariah. In this respect America is a society of pariahs. There is a role for pariahs. It is to be subjected to beings whose form and internal laws are precisely defined.

>To all organic conceptions of life Americans oppose a mechanistic conception. In a society which has 'started from scratch', everything has the characteristic of being fabricated. In American society appearances are masks not faces. At the same time, proponents of the American way of life are hostile to personality.
>The Americans' 'open-mindedness', which is sometimes cited in their favor, is the other side of their interior formlessness. The same goes for their 'individualism'. Individualism and personality are not the same: the one belongs to the formless world of quantity, the other to the world of quality and hierarchy. The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are. The American 'mind', puerile and primitive, lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to every kind of standardization.

>>3574455
>consider doing it like a normal human FIRST
Missed a word you fucking moron. Who ever said anything about not becoming a great man? Also stop projecting. If you forgave yourself for being weak, maybe you'd be able to get better.