/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

is art liek speling wereby you dont haev to get it competly rigt to convy teh mesage adn for peoppe to undestand?

>>3575078
I'd say so.

I'm currently practicing ghosting lines, do I also have to practice random curves, or is ghosting specifically for straight lines

Where can I find Peter Han full lessons? Nothing on torrents

Im pretty new to painting and I cant decide between using oil and acrylic paints. I like the blending of the oils but i also like to layer paint and oil dries to slow and I dont want to wait. Should I use a medium of some kind? If yes what are the options

hello everyone! i've been drawing for a little over a year. i just thought i'd drop a quick post in here so someone else starting out gets a few things clarified and is able to save themselves a bit of time.

on studying:
-you should always be working on the fundamentals, and there's never an "ok i'm satisfied" level.
-try drawing something first without refs/studying, and then study a whole bunch of relevant refs, and then draw that thing again, do that a lot
-study and copy a lot of other artists. don't try to reinvent something just for the sake of it, if you see a neat shape that just works, start using that shape too.
-draw everyday, but also don't kill yourself with drawing. the point is to keep up a steady habit instead of drawing 20 hours a day for half the week and sleeping the other half.

on mentality:
-have a lot of fun, that's probably the most important thing
-design with purpose, i recently did some gun silhouettes and another artist asked me who was going to use those guns, what company manufactured them, what they were gonna shoot etc. you have to think about the intricate details to root your designs in reality
-try to figure out what kind of information is helpful to your art quickly, and ignore stuff that's not helpful. this is especially useful on /ic/
-if you feel burnt out, do other stuff for a while. go out to a park and pet a bunch of dogs or something.

on meeting other artists
-go attend irl art events that are related to the field you want to work in.
-art school is kinda a meme, it's far too expensive for what you get out of it but living in a hub where there's a lot of art jobs is definitely worth it.
-people in real life don't communicate the same way they do on an anonymous imageboard.
-post your art online and people will see it.

you can check out my progress since last july here:
https://gs95begins.tumblr.com/tags

and the stuff i draw now here:
https://gs95.tumblr.com/
https://www.instagram.com/gs95draws/

>>3575235
ty
I just made a screenshot of this and saved it because it's important
ty anon

>>3575235
idk if this is a dumb question but did you start drawing on July last year?

>>3575246
the best answer to this is that i found out there were "fundamentals" in drawing in july, that's when i first heard of the word 'gesture' in relation to drawing people. i mean i doodled when i was in like grade 2 or 3, but i feel like everyone's had some small amount of drawing experience before "taking it seriously"

So what's a good graphic tablet that's medium size and like a light 7 in quality? I have no clue and local stores only stock wacoms. Wacom Intuos M Bluetooth at 219.19 USD so I suppose that it isn't complete crap but maybe theres like a pretty good cheaper brands or do i need to go cash out
I have a pipe dream about having my own brand. Just some stupidly edgy designs for whatever. Pic is something i did this morning and tried to make it look like something. Feel free to critique it

Behold, the face of God

>>3575291
Impeccable detail on the left leg

How do I know which angle ellipse to use?

>>3575338
thnx senpai

I can't into shading.

>>3575072
I liked where the composition and where the drawing was going but I hit a dead end on perspective.

>>3575072
Uploaded wrong picture. This was the drawing whuch composition I liked but I reached a dead end in perspective.

New to gesture drawing and I did the 10 poses from /s/ and /hm/ references.

How did I do?

>>3575486
I love the boobs t b h

Do you have to draw from your arm for small strokes, or can you do a combination of drawing from your arm/wrist/fingers?

So I feel like I had an epiphany today that might be completely wrong but it makes a lot of sense to me.

Even before I started drawing seriously, I understood the concept of breaking objects up into simple shapes to figure out their construction. Always done that. I also know that there is a general collection of shapes you should try to visualize objects as being made out of (cubes, cylinders, pyramids, etc.) What I never thought about was using this way of thinking in regard to perspective.

The way I see it, if I learn to draw all these shapes in different kinds of perspectives, then it should get way easier to get perspective correct. Cause then when I break up my figures into simple shapes I can also mentally pose them using my knowledge of the shape's perspective.

The main problem with this that I can see is that I, uh, dunno how to learn how to draw these shapes from all sorts of perspectives. I can guess, but if it doesn't look right I won't know how to fix it. Unless just trying to draw these shapes over and over will somehow teach me their perspectives.

>>3575486
Now draw tens of thousands more and you should be good to go.

First foray into head drawing simple heads, mainly using the Loomis method (from a Proko vid). Why are these so difficult? Will they ever feel ''right''?

>>3575507
Yeah I'll be working on another batch soon but is there anything I should improve on before I go on another reference hunt?

Maybe the contours are off or the proportions are too unrealistic?

>>3575542
i hate that holding the butt thing, it adds to the butt but it almost always means they're covering up other nice parts with their arms

>>3575542
find better references

I know a lot of people say to do figure studies before anatomy. What does figure studies entail that anatomy dosen't cover?

>>3575549
I thought it would be a cool gesture.
>>3575551
Is there something wrong with /s/? They got all the high res pics with good poses for reference.

>>3575090
ghosting is useful for any lines
if you wanna practice curves then start drawing ellipses

>>3575267
im using huion 1060 plus
it's a really cheap and good quality tablet
also it is the size of an about A4 (about 70 dollars)

>>3575486
>>3575577
that not gesture
in your attempt you tried to draw the contour of the model instead of the action or the flow

check out vilppu drawing manual first chapter
or proko gesture video

>>3575567
capturing the gesture or the action of the model
and also getting a sense of volume

>>3575577
Figure Ref - Hyper Angle 3 Feminine Beauty
pdf in artbook thread

I think my problem is that I can't draw fast enough. It takes me a really long time to actually create a drawing.

hey dudes
guy who hyper masculinizes everything he draws here with another daily 5 minute face sketch

fuck lips

>>3575520

some work on keeping your forms symmetrical would probs help a ton

maybe also try adding in some more features and details, and changing some of the general proportions of the head after that. it may give you a better idea of what you're doing wrong.

>>3575616
start spending more than 5 minutes please
and use a reference

>>3575593
>gesture is literally just following the spine and adding some curves to make out the body.
Meh I wasted like 8 minutes but at least it was good contour practice.
>>3575610
Thanks, I'll look into it tomorrow, I'm tired.

>>3575520
Keep your center line straight it's not supposed to follow the contour of the ball.

>>3575542
i love her butt. thanks for the ref~

did this tonight, most of the obvious mistakes are in the torso and the hip area, right?

>>3575799
You're perspective knowledge is lacking.

>>3575235
you tagged this pic on your insta as #digitalart. What tools did you use?

>>3575873
Looks like he just used a simple round opacity brush.

>>3575881
what software though? I know next to nothing about digital art

>>3575884
Mspaint

>>3575886
you think youre a funny guy huh

>>3575896
Modern mspaint has all sorts of fancy brushes

Is there a resource for images of the basic forms lit realistically from different angles?

>>3575986
Not that I know of. But maybe this is to your liking https://sketchfab.com/benny.vermeulen/collections/heads

attempt at designing something for a story

My second attempt on Stravinsky.

>>3575433
How tf is this beg tier

>>3576083

My first attempt on stravinsky.

I started drawing last week, what do you guys think?

>>3576087
How do you tell it's not?

>>3576095
Flat boring beginner drawing.

>>3575433
>>3575614
You can leave beg now

>>3576100
Mean, but ok. I'll post something more interesting later.

any life hacks to get better fast?

>>3576122
Draw.

>>3576122
Stick a sharpie in your pooper

>>3576111
I don't think so.

Bored at work

>watch the proko gesture drawing video
>looks easy enough, shouldn't be that hard
>get a PDF from the book thread
>mfw I end up drawing autistic contours instead o f gesture

Is there a trick to this shit I'm missing?

How do I acquire natural talent? Like those people who wake up after being bonked on the head and can suddenly speak fluent french

>>3576095
another future pornfu artist

Great

How do I shade?

>>3576258
Very carefully.

>>3576258
Learn to draw first.

>>3576254
Why else would anyone learn to draw?

I really hate studying. Is there a fun way to learn to draw?

>>3576240
How's your figure drawing?

>>3576281
Draw what your dick tell you to.

>>3576281

I had fun learning to draw by just drawing stuff I wanted.

I saw some improvement but now people tell me I need to improve by "grinding the fundamentals". That is definitely not fun, but the bigger issue is I'm not really sure how to even go about doing it.

>>3576292
Just apply perspective and form to the shit you already do.

Can I still become an artist if I can't appreciate great works of art at all? I've been the galleries and I don't feel anything when I look at famous paintings. I only enjoy lewd manga style drawings.

>>3576315
Draw more.

>>3576285
See>>3575486
>>3575577
How bad am I?

>>3576324
Looking good, Looking good.!

>>3576324
Take your time. Try harder.

Can someone recommend some good books on coloring with pencils and also books on drawing clothes?

Does listening to binaural beats improve drawing?

>>3576357
Try it. Tell us how it went.

>>3576100
>>3576095
How about this one? Better or worse?

>>3576402
Less boring.

>>3576412
Would it help if I drew a big floppy penis?

HOW DO YOU SHADE FLUFFY THINGS WITHOUT DOING 1000000 DIPS

>>3576430
i mean stuff like this

>>3576422
no, it would still look flat

do gesture stuff

wip how do you render things properly. looks passable when zoomed out to like thumbnail size but looks like ass if you looks closer

>>3576440
fuck forgot to resize

>>3575737
Why doesn't anyone comment on my figure??

>>3576449
>Why doesn't anyone comment on my figure??


You must be new here

>>3576449
its a chicken scratched piece of garbage
hope that helped

>>3576449
Go look for asspats elsewhere.

>>3576461
pyw

>>3576449
it's shit
now get back to drawing

>>3575072
What do you think
it's from a kid's book I'm making about welfare statistics as told from the level of kids sharing a house. This one is where Shaniqua takes 1/2 of all the Sharing is Caring money for herself and Linda isn't happy about it much at all

>>3576495
kys. unless you are going to put bank-chan taking up most of federal welfare

>>3576449
I dunno it's literally unremarkable but it's good though. Maybe I'm just not an artanon so I dunno what to say but her butt looks nice so.. good job I suppose

>>3576502
But black folks use most of it even though they're only 10% of the population. Banks suck and the Jews behind them should be jailed, which might be a good topic for another book, but I was more looking for criticism on the art itself

One day I'll stop being shit... Preemptively excusing myself for chickenscratching.

>>3576495
Here's another page I think I'm getting better at angles

>>3576515
And consistency is improving as well
Here's Lupe and Juan not contributing and eating food bought with the Sharing is Caring Money

>>3575072
So this is my first attempt at watercolor since like kindergarten. Obviously it's pretty bad but the only part I'm really disgusted by is that brown smear on the left that I did literally as I was finishing up.

Are you supposed to mix watercolors before adding water to the paste? How would I go about painting the soil in the pot without ruining each individual lithops? Does the white actually do anything besides affect the hue of other unused paint? I couldn't seem to get it to show at all when I added it. Are pans of watercolors as awful and unpigmented as they appear to be?

I'm basically trying to teach myself drawing and painting by drawing up my idea with graphite and colored pencils and then translating it to paint. It's working decently so far.

I'm working with Walmart watercolors and brushes atm and I was wondering if any of you guys might be able to recommend the best place/brands of low cost but not atrocious quality paints. In addition to this, I'm interested in learning how to paint with either oils or acrylics and was wondering which was the best for beginners. From what I can tell, I'm best off with acrylics for the moment because it seems that all I really need for them is the paint itself, and maybe a coat of varnish on top. What brands of paints and brushes are good for whichever you recommend? I'd like to stock up them in addition to more watercolors and brushes. I know that brushes are somewhat versatile with the exception of most watercolor brushed being too soft for acrylics and oil paints having the potential to damage brushes of a certain material.

How do you guys store your paints? And I doing myself a disservice by painting on two dollar canvas boards and watercolor pads on a flat surface? It just feels more natural to me than an easel. How far do .74 ounce tubes of paint really get you?

>>3576520
whoopsie doodles you made a goof

>>3576520
My bad

>>3576449
whats there to comment? literally anyone can draw shit like that

Can I get a critique on this?
I tried practicing proportions by quick sketching OCs but I'm not sure about this.

>>3576531
be mean to me daddy

>>3576552
My dude, proportions is the last thing you need to worry about right now. I suggest you go pick up a beginner art book and very slowly work through that.

>>3575187
I also want to know the answer

>>3576430
dips?

>>3576531
if it's so easy why does
>>3576552
>>3576402
>>3576095
>>3575799
>>3575616
>>3575614
>>3575577
>>3575520
>>3575443
>>3575433
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>>3575267
exist.

>>3576583
>>3575737
I think your figure lacks a lot of depth. Overall it's a fair study sketch, bit too much chickenscratching.
Try to draw the form and not just the outline of what you're seeing. Try to reconstruct a ref instead of just copying it mindlessly, or you'll not really learn much from it.
There, you got your comment.

>>3576087
>How tf is this beg tier
-Hands are horrible
-lower point of the waist is too low
-bellybutton is too low
-tits rest too high on the ribcage
-her right shoulder is smaller than her left
-her left elbow is fucked
-eyes are absolutely generic and a clear example of symbol drawing.
-purposely cut out of the feet because I couldn't handle them cause I'm bad
-Very safe pose lacking any foreshortening or an interesting perspective (and that didn't stop me from fucking things up)
-as I originally said, shading is shit
-Took me tens of hours when that level of quality can be surpassed in less than one by anyone who knows what the fuck he's doing.
And I'm probably missing other things that better artists would have noticed.

>>3575737
I really like it, see what you can do with this one. I'm working on it as reference for my next piece.
>>3576612
>Took me tens of hours when that level of quality can be surpassed in less than one
I've got to start slowing the fuck down when I draw then.

I don't know why but I can't bring myself to spend more than 2 hours on a piece.

>>3576619
>I've got to start slowing the fuck down when I draw then.
Not necessarily, it's just my personal workflow that is incredibly inefficient. Watch someone draw a piece live on Picarto and you'll see that anyone can draw something way less crappy in a fraction of the time. I'm just very bad.

anybody have a free version of photoshop?

>>3576651
there isn't a free version of photshop. there are free alternatives to it. krita and gimp off the top of my head

>>3576656
a cracked version?

>>3576660
that`ll be on cg persia

>>3576660
Are you aware of features unique to photoshop that you absolutely want? The software isn't what is going to make the difference, especially for a beginner. Free alternatives like paint sai tool are perfectly fine and used by professionals.

>>3576666
What features are absolutely unique to photoshop?

How does it look so far?

>>3576673
My point is that if you don't even know, you have no reason to want it over the alternatives.

>>3576677
something's funky with the perspective of background dude's feet and foreground dudes arm length

>>3576677
gives me feels senpai

>>3576679
I need to edit some photos to upload into maya.

First time drawing anime. I didn't manage to draw hands, so I made hooks.

doing Loomis and I wanted to know if I was doing it right

on the left are the ones I drew that were in the book and on the right are ones I constructed myself

Is it kosher to post an OC here asking for feedback about the general design/colour? I don't really know where else to ask this stuff.

>>3576594
It's pretty hard to catch depth without shading tho. specially since I can't figure out line weight on digital media. Thank you for the advice tho! got any examples of reconstruction of refs?

>>3576619
Thanks. Heres my try on the ref. And I also have hard time spending time on a piece. probably why my lines are such chicken scratch. Also my lady came out thinner... also i know pussy comes in all shapes but that style really made me have to doubletake to make sure it wasn't a wiener tucked in or something.

how are the shadows on this?

Also how is this overall? It was hard to do this pose cause the chest was going to the left, the abdomen straight forward, and the the hips and crotch to the right

>>3576758
its not hard to convey depth if you don't chicken scratch your lines

>>3576779
how to stop chicken scratch??

>>3575072
Why the FUCK is the shit on the left not orienting right? Am I autistic??

>draw circles
>add details
>get art

How does something so simple end up so hard?
>>3576758
She looks pretty but I see you have a little issue with hands
>And I also have hard time spending time on a piece. probably why my lines are such chicken scratch.
How long did that take you?
Also don't worry, Chicken Scratch can be beaten with confident lines so just practice more with curves and straights.

>also i know pussy comes in all shapes but that style really made me have to doubletake to make sure it wasn't a wiener tucked in or something.
Don't worry senpai, it's from /s/. Mods would have shut that shit down.

I love Loomis

>>3576315
Stop masturbating.

>>3576793
>18:46:17
I usually save the time i start at but i forgot this time.. >< I'll have to guess maybe 30~45 minutes cause I spent some extra time erasing a lot of the extra hairy lines and construction that was under.

And yeah that's actually my best attempt at hands so far. feet also are hell for me. I usually only draw busts and full body minus feet... ima fraud

>>3576713
I'm a little further than you in the book and I would say that you're grasping what's important and you should move forward to intake more knowledge my dude

I would like to get some criticism, I’m starting art school soon but i want to start building a portfolio now...

If you find my art inteesting you can also check out my instagram @bastrij

How do i find where the circled point (with the arrow pointed towards it) meets the left vanishing point? I know how to find an unknown VP when building a box, but I'm not sure how to find it based of other position on the box.

>>3576574
Scratches, small strokes

>>3576612
all of these issues could be justified with the fact that its a cartoon drawing

>>3577117
You're so right, just say it's a cartoon and any flaws and inconsistencies can be disregarded! Why even try to get better right, just say "it's a cartoon".

>>3576835
I can't even tell what I'm looking at.

hows my cat?

How do you overcome a complete lack of passion in art? I feel like a computer trying to learn about love.

>>3577259
Why waste your time on something you don't want to do?

>>3577261
I like eating but I don't like cooking. Does that explain it?

>>3577264
And that's why tv dinners exists.

>>3577266
But nobody makes the specific type of food that I like, so I have to learn to cook it myself, even though I hate cooking.

>>3577271
How do you know what you like? You've never tasted it before and you woulden't be here if you could cook.

>>3577275
Oh fuck off.

>>3577284

>>3576835
the bottom and top lines of the box will converge at the vanishing point.
so if youre working on a big enough paper you should be able to just get your ruler draw those lines, then take a line back to the front dot, and where that intersects the back line place the dot.

however this may also work.

>>3577330
doh. I meant like this. ignore that image its wrong. shame on me

>>3576791
Pls respond

>>3577337
Clarify?

Need some bit of help regarding technical drawings

How do I into technical orthographic drawings? Especially of tanks

I have a lot of trouble keeping proportions, and when I try to construct diagrams, it often ends up being inaccurate and/or messy with lines and circles everywhere

>>3577337
try doing it again with less distorted perspective. keep your bottom point on the page. your horizon line looks wonky but that's cos its too low contrast for me to see whats going on.

>>3577344
that's 2 questions.
how to do it, basically this in reverse.
how to draw neat lines, use guides and rulers,
trace it again neater when you got shit worked out?

I feel like i am not improving at all. Like i am still in the same spot. I could really use some help.

>>3577384
Did you have a stroke while doing this?

>>3577385
i was running on fumes when i did. like it took me 2 hours for the head alone.

>>3577387
>like it took me 2 hours for the head alone.
How absolutely autistic.

Attempted to do the upside down drawing.
Am I any good?

>>3577389
Thats why i came here .

>>3577384
What have you tried?

>>3577399

i just started with a circle then used my ref to copy

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/380272762279939368/

>>3576826
>>3577391
Start by exporting a more viewable resolution (crop it down to something sub 1,000 px)

How the fuck do you draw someone with their legs crossed. I've been trying for the past 6 hours

>>3577436
Yeah don't post your attempt.

>>3577259
Passion is a meme. Passion is fleeting and inconsistent. Self discipline is the only thing that matters. Anyone who says otherwise is literally lying to your face.

character, he's an ilelgal gemstone seller

>>3577491
his torso is way too long

>>3577436
its just a bunch of triangles

>>3577491
he doesn't read as very illegal

>>3577271

Just commission someone. Even if you got good at art you might not be able to masturbate to your own work anyways.

can you have a 1 point table with 2 point things on it?

Pen or pencil for beginner?

>>3577520
no, 1-point is 2-point but one of the points is an infinite distance

I cant make crisp lines without having them look clumsy and weird

>>3577491
Proportions are a little off but i love those shoes

>>3577531
so what should a one point table with things on it look like?

>>3577540
>clumsy and weird
How so?

Character design of a weird demon. Tried to make it strange and bizarre but I have little confidence in my skills so it probably just sucks.

Hard to analyze art of my own though. I already realized though the effect I use on the hands and face would work better if the lines weren't flat but instead contours that followed the shape of the character.

>>3577545
They always come off as overly bold. I don't know how exactly to describe it but they lack finesse.

>>3577491
Don't bother with painting and colors atm, focus 100% on drawing, you'll thank me later.

>>3577574
Have you tried the obvious? (a thinner brush)

>>3576666
those quads though

>>3575549
I think I have the same autism, where I just can't stop myself from trying to cram as much stuff as possible in my painting, to the point where it's fucked at the sketch phase. It's fine my friend, you don't need to have all of the good parts in every drawing/painting.

How is my animal anatomy?

>>3577628
Also pic related.

>>3577391
prodigy level

>>3577628
Pretty good, looking solid!

>>3577581
Ok, can you explain why?

How is animal into anatomy?

>>3575072
i feel like the torso is too big compared to the legs

>>3577436

i'm beg too but every night i listen to vilppuu before bed and his words are starting to slip into my subconcious whenever i draw. u have to FEEL the forms and be ONE with the 3 dimensions, just try to imagine yourself as an old man drawing the figure, it helps for real

Is Loomis also the book to read if I need to learn shading or is there another one in the doc

>>3577520

yes, in your picture the items on the table have no parallel lines in common with the table so the items have their own 2 vanishing points, just remember to give those items height otherwise they flat as fucc

>>3577448
Fuck you faggot, I figured it out on my own eventually.

>>3577503
>>3577743
Thanks, this helps a lot. I'll make use of it in future.

>>3577759

no, you're better off doing still lifes. understand how light works and the form of the subject you're shading, rendering well is a matter of how well you can control edges and values

>>3577768
yeah but I need some tips and pointers on stuff to look out for. So I'm looking for some visual lessons on shading.

I want to do high quality cel shading and it feels like the only way to do so is to git real good at soft shading

>>3575130
is that eliott rodgers? lol

>>3577259
I have the same issue but I approach art like if it were a science. Everything is experiment with tiny variations.

>>3577763
it was only to illustrate my question. not planning on drawing the table. thanks for reply.

>>3577795
>Everything is experiment with tiny variations
only as youre learning tho. once your experiments confirmed you can use that as a rule for future

>>3577259
passion is a shitty meme, nobody is good at something because they have passion, it's all through hard work and self restraint

>>3577259

try to develop an innate need to understand drawing concepts on a deep level, once it becomes "I want to understand how to make cool shit" rather than "I want to make cool shit" you'll come to enjoy and crave the process of making art

Started doing the 250 box challange again. Some of these are even not completely wrong.

>>3577804

Passion makes it easier to be dedicated to learning though.

>>3577346
I was attempting 2 point perspective, is it supposed to have a bottom dot?

The horizon is straight, the wonkiness on the right is from the left boxes alignment to the horizon.

>>3577340
If you look at the "C" shape or "shelf" on the left, the lines dont make sense in 3 dimensions.

>>3577834

if it's supposed to be two point perspective you need to make sure your height lines are straight, and your right vanishing point isn't on the horizon, idk if you're going for that distorted look but consider spreading out your vanishing points too

if you have future problems make a diagram because it was harder trying to decipher your writing

>>3577810
the box challenge is a complete waste of time, I asked an artist

im tired, doing things half assdley
probably not going to be producing any great arts tonight, not learning anything.
its okay to stop right?

>>3577844
I dont have a reliable image editor, I post from my girlfriends chromebook

The horizon line is straight, the top bar was just to divide the paper into quarters because I was just fooling around

Ill take your word for it though

>>3577866

you should adopt the goal of being able to produce well made draftsmanship even when your power is low so you don't depend on being in the zone, so rather than aiming for great art shoot for decent

so my answer is... never stop! ganbare!

>>3577847
it really isn't a waste of time

How many drawings should you do in a day?

>>3577834

>>3577914
Enough.

>>3577878

it's just that one corner then, just have to be more careful

>>3577901
I asked several artists about the 250 box challenge no one has done it or even heard of it.

What do you gyus think. Am i on right path ?

>>3577810
as long as youre drawing that's all that matters,

Am I doing Loomis right?

>>3577970
Got the right idea but the human jaw does not look like that. Try drawing some skulls from reference, or take images of skulls and try to draw construction lines over them.

I'm currently studying Head & Hands,any feedback please on the tones, proportions? I find really difficult to draw the head on 3/4 from memory, any tips?

>>3577970

you're on the right path, try to keep in mind proportions, it helps to also draw the neck and shoulder to keep them in check. keep in mind the nose and lips have form to them, hold them accountable to how you have the sphere set up. i like how you attempted the eye sockets

>>3577930

you're doing good, rendering could be tighter i guess, strokes feel messy around her hips. she also feels kind of flat to me, maybe because the values on the outlines of the form doesn't really have weight to them, particularly around her ass. post the ref if you have it.

I am an ABSOLUTE /beg/ who is barely getting through Loomis.

How long will it take me to get to this skill level provided that I study and practice for 15 hours a week?

>>3578024
Why does it matter how fucking long it takes? If it's your goal you should be willing to sacrifice time, resources and human lives to get to it. If you want to progress faster, you'll need to sacrifice more.
TLDR if you have talent maybe three years.

>>3578024
Depends on how you spend those hours and how adapt you are at learning how to draw. Without further information, many years.

>>3578024

that image is putting every fundamental to use, loomis only covers construction of the figure, understand that there are people who've spent their adolescence and adulthood building their motor skills and fundamentals to a high level so if you get frustrated on the results of your output keep in mind it's a very long process but very rewarding once you start grasping concepts


>>3578018

try to pick better references where the light doesn't look like it's coming from a camera, the one on the right looks good though. when putting on values try to keep it consistent. the planes on the face where the light is directly hitting should be brightest while planes which are turning from the light should be a mid tone and cast shadows/lips/inside the nose/where skin folds should be darkest. it sounds basic but all of the portraits that looks nice had extra care on their values. as far as proportions go the face on the right doesn't look balanced, just remember heads tilt in some photos and you have to account for that

>>3578044

oops, i meant face on the left. right looks ok

>>3578044
Many thanks. Yes, the right one was taken from this picture tho I really missed the character. I'll take notes on what you mentioned about the tones. About the left one, yes, I overestimated the distance from eyebrows to nose leading to a really long nose.

>>3578026
>Why does it matter how fucking long it takes?
I turn 20 next year and I need to learn a skill to put bread on the table so I've been bouncing from /lit/, /sci/ /3/, /g/, /biz/ and /i/ to see what I can learn.
>TLDR if you have talent maybe three years
Well shit, I'll be grinding for years then.

>>3578044
>understand that there are people who've spent their adolescence and adulthood building their motor skills and fundamentals to a high level so if you get frustrated on the results of your output keep in mind it's a very long process but very rewarding once you start grasping concepts
Really should have taken art class more seriously instead of half-assing for Bs and Cs back in High School.

I'll just be going back to /g/ and /sci/ then.

>>3578055
wtf you're younger than me get off this board and go draw. Also hmu if you have a passion project

>>3578055

the teachings in high school art classes were pretty much surface level basics unless it was a high school with a focus on art. all of my classmates that were good back in highschool drew at home, in other classes, anywhere. no matter what skill you pursue the recipe remains the same on getting good. deep understanding of the concept, applying it to personal work, the ability to self correct and consistent practice.

>>3578058
>Also hmu if you have a passion project
Idk if this counts but when I was younger I sort of wanted to draw comics to make my friends and I laugh and one idea I had was about a group of explorers trying to civilize a cave dweller which would backfire when he goes unga bunga and breaks stuff.
Pic related was a sketch I drew of said character some time ago.

I eventually got into anime and vidya and abandoned that dream because I was into Naruto and playing Pokemon.

>>3578062
Sounds fair, I remember this guy from HS who was a massive weeb and drew anime/hentai for us to look at.
I really miss being 15, best years of my life by far.

>>3578055
>I turn 20 next year and I need to learn a skill to put bread on the table so I've been bouncing from /lit/, /sci/ /3/, /g/, /biz/ and /i/ to see what I can learn.
This is retarded. If you want to put bread on the table there are easier/more reliable ways to do it than getting good at drawing in a couple years.
also
>15 hours a day
>Well shit, I'll be grinding for years then.
lmao

>>3577402
Try studying from life, it's hard to see why artists use certain lines and strokes but they're all there for a purpose and if you can find the relation of those lines with those of real life you'll be able to improve.

>>3575072
When an ellipse template says 50 degrees, what is 50 degrees? The VP minor axis? I have no idea how to use these things. Robertson never explained how to use them.

>>3578108
How do I know which degree ellipse to use?

This is something i do, i dont have a name for it, i think it looks really nice, tell me what you think

This is a piece on a school bulletin board (im a teacher) im working on. Thoughts?

>>3578143
Watch out for shit like this

>>3578151
Yea i spotted that once i got home today..wonky as shit

First day beginner here. Does this look alright? Is this how light works? Should I even be starting with things like this? There's so much to learn and so much information I don't even know where to start. Would I be better off spending my time on something else?

>>3577847
I asked an artist and they said your mom's a slut, how 'bout that

>>3578178
That depends on what you want to draw. Studying light is a good way to start. In that case, you'd want to learn about value. Value is just light and dark and it's important for making things look 3D. A good way to learn how value works is by doing still life drawings. Study the forms of primitive objects; sphere, cube, cylinder, cone. Try to capture the subtle shifts in value.

>>3578189

>>3578141
Can someone please give my drawing some attention please

>>3578220

it's hard to read visually, there is no variance in line weight and the photo is huge with tons of light being reflected from the camera.

if you want to make this type of art try to use more easily identifiable, attractive shapes along with lines and curves that vary from each other. just making it more readable is the most important thing

>>3578220
Is it of anything in particular?

>>3575187
If you're new to painting, I'd say go acrylic. The solvents needed to dilute oil paint can be pricey, and the cleanup and dry time are just inefficient if you're learning a wet medium.

As someone who is just starting out and learning to "see" rather than drawing symbols, should I be measuring the proportions of the picture when drawing something like a models face? Use tick marks on a ruler or something?

>>3578260
or should I just try to b accurate on my own the same way I would draw something like my hand.

>>3577810
keep at it mate

>>3578234
Nope, its just random but people always try and find something hidden i just like the way it looks

>>3578260

shouldn't need to measure with a ruler, draw a sphere, put a horizontal and vertical axis, add a side plane if the head is at 3/4 angle and start from there. just know that the size of each facial feature is relative to the other facial features, you should aim to strike a balance. this rule changes somewhat if you're no longer drawing typical portraits and using dynamic angles instead but really it depends on your goal. if you want "xerox" levels of accuracy be meticulous with your measuring. if you want to be able to recreate faces or heads without reference it would be good to start building your construction skills now. ultimately you want to be able to pull from both your observation and construction skills at the same time.

>>3578260
get your little pencil out hold it arms length away from ur face close one eye and observe! wow... her face is two ____s of the pencil. crazy... now, witht his knowledge i can tell that __ part of her body is ___ heads big. amazing stuff.


read keys to drawing or smfn bro

Okay someone tell me if this one looks nice

>>3577930
Your values when rendering are all over the place. If I squint, I can't tell what's light and what's shadow, cause there's too many arbitrary value variations.

Find your light side and shadow side. This works best if your pictures have strong directional lighting, pictures with flat lighting are incredibly hard to render and a waste of your time as a beginner. One you identify your light and shadow sides, pick a general value for each. Do not cross the threshold between these values - anything that's in your shadows will always be darker than anything in your lights. Remember this rule: your lightest dark should always be darker than your darkest light. This will simplify your values a lot, help you focus on shading the forms, and will tremendously clarify your read.

>>3578024
Jesus Christ, Jason's legs

>>3578141
>>3578318
It's a bit like Zentangle.

>>3578318
very good. technical sound

>>3575873
CSP, opaque watercolor brush. that painting sux tho so don't copy me, just watch the Craig Mullins schoolism vids and use hard round full opacity

>>3575873
also use Photoshop, this is non negotiable. You can try whatever software you like, but Photoshop is something that everyone should learn how to use.

Also pick up 3D softwares like modo and blender.

>>3577649
Since it doesn't matter if you render like Ruan Jia or whoever, if your drawing skill sucks. You can learn drawing and painting at the same time but it's not as efficient. If your drawings look great without color, you can hardly fail, cause it will look dope even if you do the most basic coloring. Also you'll soon enough realize that painting, picking colors and figuring out how light hits objects and interacts with materials is a really small part of it all. If you can draw, you'll easily pick up the painting stuff, if you can't draw everything will look like shit, no matter how you render it.

i’ve been going back and forth between anime and real life. i think im holding myself back somehow but i cant pinpoint it. the faces i create from imagination never look right, either. any anons want to help? i might dedicate my last 30 sketchbook pages to real life drawing but im not sure how much thatll get me to my goal of drawing cute animu grills like my favorite artists.

>>3578366
reference photo

>>3578366
you cannot into styles if you don't have you basics in realistic down

>>3578383
so last 30 pages realistic then? how should i go about studying?

>>3578141
>>3578318
What is it you're looking for other then a pat on the head?
I don't think it looks particularly good but if you seriously like this kinda stuff and want to improve try looking at Peter Draws on youtube, he tends to do a lot of weird abstract stuff in the same vein as what you're doing.

>>3578385
stop symbol drawing and draw the values not outlines.

>>3578385
focus your efforts, if a lot of things don't look right to you, it's probably because they are wrong
When studying or practicing, focus, have a clear understanding on what you're actually trying to get better at, pin point the problems with your drawing, fix them, then move on

>>3578366

Should I invest in one of these?

>>3575072
thoughts? I realized last minute the eyes arent leveled. I should probably try to flip the image more often when sketching and lining

>>3578393
Eyes look a tad to big to me.

Im starting to use sai to color my stuff so here is something simple how does it look?

>>3578398
Like barf.

>>3578366
styles are exaggeration or distortion of reality, if you have you base down, as in you know how to draw realistically, you can then go ahead and distort certain aspects of reality to create your own style

>>3578398
Why is his skin in his eyes?

>>3578388
so shading? have any books or tutorials you recommend?

>>3578408
Perspective made easy.

>>3578408
how to render by scott robertson

>>3578391
Not if you intend on using it for anything other than studying light.

>>3578410
>>3578411
thanks anons, ill check them out

thanks anon now i can finnaly redraw this scene

Is it true that I should use my left hand for drawing and my right hand for writing?

>>3578416
what

>>3578416
yes

>>3578415
who are you replying to?

>>3578417
You basically have two brains, one it good at writing and the other good at drawing.

>>3578425
do you only have control to half your body?

>>3578425
yeah and humans can only use 10 percent of their brain. Geniuses can use 15 and if anyone ever used 100 they'd become god and would battle the society of 30 year old virgin wizards to the death for control over the Illuminati.

What are the degrees on the ellipse tool in reference too? I'm sure it's super simple but I just don't fucking get it, and can't find any information online.

How does one go about drawing something like this?

>>3578442
you get your pen and start

>>3578442
have the base be the light
block in the ovals and the dark at the bottom
render them from observation
add ambience
finish misc

Do I need to always follow the technique in the books or can I just do my own thing sometimes?

>>3578486
Only if you're looking for an excuse to regress back to your comfort zone.

>>3578491
I'm just thinking that if I went outside to draw something I would have to take heavy books with me which would be annoying.

>>3578492
Or you could just do shit from reference, till you know the techniques and then go outside without having to carry around a book.

>>3578496
I have trouble remembering what to do unless I reference the book

>>3578366
simplify your "real life" styling and you'll get something cuter. like dont draw the line that signals the bottom eyelid. just draw the top and pupil and shave a bit of the bottom from the pupil to suggest there being an eyelid. for noses just keep the nostrils unless it 3/4 then maybe a bit of the bridge and some of the side of the nose.

>>3575072
i been taking drawing serious and spent all day yesterday drawing plus today and a few days before. I have figure drawing from andrew loomis but it doesn't explain much on how to create the mannikin frame from different poses and how to add bulk to it in different poses.

is there a better way to draw body

>>3578632
picture small sorry

I tried some anatomy without reference. Some critiques? I think arms look strange, sort of detached, but i'm not sure how to harmonize them with the rest of the figure.

>>3578681
I think the legs are oddly straight and yeah the arm feels a little odd as well especially at the connection to the torso.

why are these so damn hard

>>3578751
Because you're untrained?
Try focusing on the tip of the pen while drawing.

What do I have to search for if I want to find more of these pics
i.e. basic geometric shapes on a white table and white background lighted only from one direction

>>3578792

>>3578816
Low effort comfort zone blob.

>>3578816
make it female and i'll like it

Whats wrong with the sticky guide on hubpages, that we needed a new one?

how do i learn to color?

>>3578486

The idea is to use the techniques from books while doing your own personal things to solidify what you've learned. It's more effective this way than just raw studying

does this box look weird or is it just me

>>3579033
The top is distorted. The vanishing points are too close together.

Wow, i suck at this. And i don't even know what the mistakes are exactly, so i can't really learn much from this.

My first attempt at gestute drawing, what do you think about it?
(Sorry for my potato camera)

>>3578397
ty

am I doing these loomis spheres right?

>>3579048
well youre jumping ahead before you've understood more basic things

>>3579259
What are those basic things? What do you propose i grind before i can understand this?

>>3579165
see
>>3575593
>that not gesture
in your attempt you tried to draw the contour of the model instead of the action or the flow

>>3579281

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