/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I hardly do studies anymore.

>>3568760
How long have you been doing art? Was there a point where you told yourself to stop doing studies or did it just happen naturally?

Never.

>>3568767
Ten years, roughly. At some point it wasn't really necessary anymore. I improved more by painting and finishing original work. I focus more on what makes in image appealing nowadays than focusing on correct anatomy, perspective and whatnot. Actually bending some of these things can really improve images. But still, I picked up a sketchbook recently to study while traveling.

>>3568750
There is no set level of skill or time that you need to surpass in order to make a finished piece. In fact, I genuinely think its detrimental to your growth to do nothing but studies. The ability to see work through to completion is undervalued here. Studies are useless without application. Studies & practice should be supplemental to your finished work - not the other way around. I think a good progression is to do 'finished work' -> studies -> 'finished work' -> studies, etc. etc. Please note that this isn't to say that your finished work has to be good - if you're a beginner still your finished work may still be a little wonky, but that is totally fine.

>>3568785
This is exactly how I feel these days - I improve more by finishing work and working on making those better than simply grinding raw studies. I feel like I could have written this exact comment.

>>3568798
Thanks. I had been wondering if should start doing more pieces. Haven't really done any in a while.

>>3568750
>How often do you make actual pieces
Essentially ONLY work on pieces on canvas. Draw goofs and gags and stuff on paper just when I'm bored.
>instead of just doing studies?
What am I 14?
>How long had you been drawing before making your first piece?
First piece of this series was when I was 28. Had been drawing academically from weebabe to 18 year old. But I made my "first piece" in first grade and won first place in the reflections contest so I was always a faggot about wanting to actually work on the real thing instead of mimsying about practicing.
>Should one wait a certain amount of time before doing actual pieces?
Probably not no. Putting "pieces" up on a pedestal is just a recipe for endlessly toiling.

>>3568750
I want to do that kind of glitch effect on pic related. Where it looks like Jlaw is glitching up. On account of how it's a picture of her in the shower that was leaked on the intrenattes. It's a metaphor ya dig.

>>3569144
>paints rastered photos
>calls it pieces
Even calling it studies should be considered a crime because you don't learn jack from rastering 300 memes.

I have done way too many "pieces" in the sense that I can't stand grinding out nothing but figure drawings and studies. i have to make something at some point, even if its still really shitty. But its fun, and people with low standards actually like them.

>>3569154
Not that guy, but I don't think you understand what raster means.

>>3569154
>paints rastered photos
hmm
>calls it pieces
yep. Acrylic on canvas panel.
>Even calling it studies should be considered a crime because you don't learn jack from rastering 300 memes.
I don't think I know how to raster anything. Is this a translation error or are you retarded or what?

And yeah you learn a whole fucking gaggle of shit. Learn way more about everything than you do fucking drawing anime tiddies on your tablet you contemptuous bag of liquid shit.

>>3569181
whats the point in all your supposed learning if youre just going to do the same shit over and over again. all you seem to do is paintings of reaction images in the same style.

>>3568750
I don't make studies. I never really have. I might practice but usually I'm making art as a piece of art.

>>3569200
>whats the point in all your supposed learning if youre just going to do the same shit over and over again.
Kind of a false premise tbphwyf. I kind of don't do the same thing twice. Like every painting involves different approaches and order of operations and spearments.
>all you seem to do is paintings of reaction images in the same style.
I mean it is MY style though. Nobody else really does an acrylic layering approach to producing memeschlock portraits. so I got that going for me.

And idk I just don't care about things that don't involve people's faces.

>>3570272
>I mean it is MY style though.
It's not your style, its just you being shit.
You're not doing it on purpose, you're doing it because you can't do literally anything else, and memeschlock is not a word.
Fuck off jimmy.

>>3568750
>how often do you make pieces instead of just doing studies?

I never do studies. Never have. Probably harmful but I do what I enjoy doing, which is not studies.
>How long had you been drawing before making your first piece.

I dunno.. define piece? If you're talking about a freehand drawing that I called finished, probably the first drawing I ever did where I put in actual effort.

>Should one wait a certain amount of time before doing actual pieces?
Do what you want. Trying to finish things is a good way to gauge your skill at any given time. Studies are not a good way to gauge your skill, they're a way to gauge your ability to mimic, and a lot of people find that after years of studies they can replicate amazing pictures no problem, but can't create one from their own mind without heavy use of reference.

Seems like you're asking these because you feel like a certain skill level should be achieved before your finished works become 'legitimate'. I'll tell you a secret, most good artists never feel like they reach that spot. There's always potential for improvement, and if you wait until you're happy with your skill level to attempt finished pieces, you may never get a finished piece.

Despite what a lot of people on here say, there's no list of perfect steps to take to become a skilled artist. It happens in different ways for different people. Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and when it is or isn't alright to produce a piece. Just do what you want so long as it results in improvement.

>>3571530
>It's not your style
memeschlock ©®™
>its just you being shit.
nah uh
>You're not doing it on purpose
yes huh
>you're doing it because you can't do literally anything else
says you maybe

>and memeschlock is not a word.
pfft get real bozo

meme:
>an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
schlock:
>cheap or inferior goods or material; trash.

Portmanteau
>a word blending the sounds and combining the meanings of two others
neologism:
>is a relatively recent or isolated term, word, or phrase that may be in the process of entering common use, but that has not yet been fully accepted into mainstream language.

All words are made up. It's all just an elaborate ruse.

>Fuck off jimmy.
I prefer Jimbeaux

>>3570272

Subject and style aren't the same thing. Your subject is meme pictures, your style is traditional painting. You could be painting anything using your painting method but instead you choose to focus solely on that.

Drawing similar stuff over and over limits yourself massively as an artist. Do what you enjoy but people are right in saying its a bad idea if you want to experience real growth.

>>3571892
Prove him wrong, give an alternative example of your ability. Either that or go be annoying somewhere where it's appreciated.

Also, if you need a gimmick to justify your art, things are already looking grim.

>>3571890
this

>>3571894
>Prove him wrong, give an alternative example of your ability.
Why do I need to "prove anyone wrong" necessarily? It's all make pretend. And what even was the argument that needs to be "proven wrong?"

Like what're we looking for? Sorry I don't draw animu on a my computer if that's the standard.

>>3571893
>Your subject is meme pictures, your style is traditional painting.
No the medium is fucking acrylic painting. "traditional painting" isn't really a "style" you butt.

You sniveling tablet babbies don't get to try and differentiate "actual painting" with "simulated painting." You're implying that there's some kind of "nu-painting" that is competing with "traditional painting." It's either paint or it isn't. And my "style" is a bunch of different influences, whether from a printmaking or a painting or a filmmaking perspective.

>You could be painting anything using your painting method but instead you choose to focus solely on that.
Yeah. Memeschlock. It's made (almost) entirely from images solicited from anons (mostly) on /tv/.

>Drawing similar stuff over and over limits yourself massively as an artist.
Yeah I mix it up when I get bored. And this is my full time occupation generally. Taking august off from new production though. Leading to many more cat doodles and schematics.

>>3571894
>Also, if you need a gimmick to justify your art
It isn't necessarily about "needing" anything. Having a theme and definable labels and continuity in your subject matter and style makes it easier for marketing and branding and anything else you're trying to do. Makes it a lot easier to sell "I paint funny memes and reaction faces from the internet using 'traditional painting'" than "I draw cartoon tiddy 'studies' on muh tablet."

>>3571913
That's true, yes. But it's also more often than not a crutch or excuse to compensate for lack of ability.

>>3571899
Not talking about 'anime' or digital paintings or anything. I'm talking about your evident lack of skill, if the pictures you're posting are yours.

You're averagely skilled traditional painting first year art major level. He's calling you out for going "oh but it's my style" in response to why you do what you do.

You're not skilled enough to even have a focused style yet, You're at the point where you should still be learning basic shit. When you get good enough, by all means apply it to what you prefer doing and call it your style.

Your limitations are not your 'style'. I'm yet to see you post anything that shows me it's anything other than a gimmick being used to justify where you are, ability wise.

Which is fine, mind you. I'm only taking issue because you're being annoying and pretentious about it. Like I said, either prove him wrong by posting something actually impressive or stop arguing, because we can easily see the other dude is right.

If those miserable sketches are the best things you can show outside of your meme paintings then yes, you definitely need to branch out more

>>3571923
>But it's also more often than not a crutch or excuse to compensate for lack of ability.
There is no barrier to entry for making art. The people that tell you there is some magical level to be achieved before you start making "pieces" are lying to you because they're selling you a product.

There are countless successful artists that were never anything other than adequate at sketching. There are artists that are and were functionally incapable of "rending their vision" without "cheating." There are no rules if what you're doing is appealing or sellable.

>>3571925
>I'm talking about your evident lack of skill
My love for you is like a truck BER SER KER
>if the pictures you're posting are yours.
Yeah I'll post 20 minute doodles are day bruh. Better than you're anonymous shit. I have some training and experience in cartooning, figure drawing, sculpting, technical drawing, etc. Enough to be able to use it functionally.

You kids masturbate about your ability to hand draw a fucking sketch, as if anyone other you gives a shit about your doodles. Nobody cares about drawings.

You're like calligraphers that think you could write an amazing novel because you're good at cursive.

>You're not skilled enough to even have a focused style yet
And yet I have one. Weird how that works. Post literally anything dipshit.

>When you get good enough
You'll never be good enough. You should kill yourself. \

>Your limitations are not your 'style'.
Sure they are. They always are. Why don't you feel stupid? How young are you?

>I'm yet to see you post anything that shows me
I'm not working for you nigger. You're feeding me. You've yet to post anything at all. You choose to be an anonymous text generator because you're too impotent to do anything else.

>it's anything other than a gimmick being used to justify where you are, ability wise.
I mean, most things generally are. Easier to be productive when you eliminate the expectation that you have to make something amazing or innovative constantly. All you rulesy faggots end up just doing NOTHING because you put doing anything up on some impossible pedestal.

Plus the entire premise is that A: ITS FUCKING TRASH ITS IN THE NAME KYS. And B: ART IS ONLY ABOUT "ABILITY" IN THE MOST SUPERFICIAL FAGGOT KID UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONCEPT. The fact that you fail to understand this speaks to where you are in your "art education." Keep at all your "studies" while posting anonymously kiddo. Everyone will continue not giving a shit about your tryhard donothing opinion.

>>3571939
You're insufferable

>>3571926
You were trained wrong on purpose and you don't produce anything of note at all. My scratchy cat cartoon is better than literally anything you'll ever have done. Prove me wrong poindexter

>>3571944
You're boring.