/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3565408
To understand this post's content is very important in one's developement as an artist.

I've seen this phenomena twice. First with Sakimichan. I mean, I admit her Dark magician girl IS godlike and I fapped to it and maybe some other drawing, but it got old quickly since as you said it's all render and no soul,

And not too long ago in a big thread talking about fundamentals and shit, some guy posted an hyperrealistic Orc. But I was like, it IS good. And I'll probably never in my life be able to do it. Yet I don't want to, some lifeless hyper detailed gray orc is just boring.
It's such a waste to have that much skill being put into your work and be unable to inspire other people to be like you. I mean, besides the money they make, that does inspire me, but not the art itself I see more spirit in my kindergarden doodles.


So about Hello Kitty and cartoons... could it be that those were made with an intention? To entertain kids and/or generate sympathy? Meanwhile the super rendered fanarts just look like the author whipping out his artistic dick with no discernible goal. I dunno mate, but I agree.

>>3565408
I seriously thought the sp/ic/s worshiping ruan jia were fucking memeing when i was new to this board

>>3565465
Sakimichan mostly does glorified glamour photos I think I could count with my hands the few pieces in her portfolio with appealing story elements

>>3565476
damn that neck looks hella flat

All you're doing is shrieking

>MUH TASTE

at the board that is concerned first and foremost with skill. RuanJia's end product doesn't matter, the quality of the rendering matters, ebcause if you can master that you can apply it selectively to focal points of your more imaginative/original/whatever work.

Got it, retard? Visual art's heart is craft.

>>3565479
hello kitty is literally more appealing than wathever crap you faggot fap to.

>muh skill meme
lmao, I haven't seen yet your idols draw something as nice as hello kitty.

>>3565465
It's all different tastes, anon. Personally I like less rendered and minimalist drawings unlike the concept artfags here. What should be understood is that technical skill =/= appealing art most of the time.

>>3565408

ok pedo

>>3565488
ok puppy

>>3565477
Holy fuck you just ruined it for me.

why do you think Hello Kitty looks so good, anon?
im just curious about your thought process

>>3565501
It's just good graphic design, which looks on many times more interesting, but that goes against the narrative of this board, because muh skill, muh craft, muh overrendered polished trash.

>>3565505

Do graphic design then you cunt

>>3565408
Yeah you're right.

I mean, /ic/ is nerd-based and the thing about nerds is that they're more into technical skill than actual artistry/meaning. Like you can go on /r/art and a lot of the top posts are pointilism and shit because it's not about the art, it's about how the art was made. Nerds are impressed by effort or wittiness but not emotion because that's a bunch of touchy feely bullshit.

Like the whole point of learning the fundamentals is because it's important to understand how and why things work, and how you can take that knowledge and introduce it into your own art. Which is great and useful and what you're supposed to do, but that's kinda hard and immaterial in a way that technical wank shit isn't.

I think part of it is that people don't want to ask why people like something they don't like. It's really easy to look at, idk, chicks who are into 50 Shades and say well they just have bad taste. But dismissiveness isn't helpful, and it doesn't ask you to empathize. Which is what nerds are really, really, really, really, unbelievably bad at.

>>3565509
>he thinks graphic design and illustration are two diferent skillsets
ok retard.

>>3565505
>>3565465

people here learn skill, they post practice pieces. One of you is just daft and the other is a salty crab, but this needs to be said anyway for the sake of the naive children: people don't post their full work here. If they apply composition, do a full color render etc. they'll post it up on their main blog and will never publicly associate with an imageboard.

Composition and design are still graded here when critiquing full illustrations. But they're relatively shallower aspects than, say, the sum of the human body in motion, so people who need to progress from a stick figure will obviously try to tackle the big areas over minor bullshit a website programmer learns off the back of a cereal box.

>>3565527
and yet focusing on only skill make those overpolished turds that has not story, narrative, compositional or just appealing interest.

>>3565531

They're practice pieces. Nobody cares what you want this place to be. People are trying to make visual art their way of life and they need to become better to do that.

Your cry for a hipster circlejerk is not productive. In fact this kind of bitching is mostly aimed at stunting peoples' progress, coming from sour grape faggots who'd rather have NEETs dick around and socialize on an anonymous board (which is counterproductive to begin with) over witty art statements lovingly rendered with the skillset of a 7 year old. It irks them that they're already behind a bunch of kids that nutted up and put in the work.

>>3565547
that's why half this board is about asking how to draw waifus.

realism is not the only style of art, nor is the most important.

>>3565554

>muh style

Another angle of sabotage. Nobody mentioned realism. Physical reality is the bedrock of figurative art. You can hide behind "developing style" all you wish, if you never grasp the human form or space itself you will always remain inferior and inflexible within any style.

If yo want to make tumblr pallet colored panels like >>3565505
you're free to make a thread about it. You're however not entitled to others' attention.

>that's why half this board is about asking how to draw waifus.

Same kind of detritus as yourself, only with a different shitposting angle. Mods hardly manage this board at all.

>>3565570
I bet this nigger can't draw an appealing design for all I care.

>>3565574

Here's my master design:

small violet panel overlaping
wide blue panel overlaping
wide orange panel overlaping
wider violet panel overlaping
on a dark background

Yeah, this sounds like something I want to reiterate upon for the next 40 years.

>>3565577
>oh wow, is another episode of I can do abstract art and it doesn't take skills
wew lads, is like going back in time 80 years.

The difference is appeal vs. design. You can appreciate a good story forever. The thing with hyper rendering is that is completely takes the fun out of looking at a painting.

pic related. because of the lost edges and unrendered forms in this Sargent painting, your brain has to work harder to understand it -- it's more interesting to look at.

>>3565514
they are you fucking mong

>>3565682
Sargent knew how to make anyone huzbandable.

>>3565690
you sound like a low IQ retard who can't learn both.

>>3565514

>he thinks graphic design and illustration have the same skillsets

ok retard.

>>3565694
you sound like someone who can't draw

>>3565682
no it's boring as shit, where's my shiny lights pretty girls and robots
i'm not even being ironic you pretentious hipster boomer

>>3565474
Merc.wip

>>3565715

>>3565474
>using his worst images

this is the art board meaning that all art is under discussion. would you rather talk about hello kitty or something with texture and shading and many other interesting qualities. really, which would you rather talk about. because unless you are a hello kitty fanboy i think you would rather not talk about a bland small shading-less icon. also , saying that everyone faps to professional artwork imply's that you dont. so tell me then, do you fap to a three year olds squiggles on a page.

its not like you give examples of this bad "hard to paint" artwork. the entire artistic world is dominated by well painted artworks because they have had time energy and passion put into them.

>>3565514
lmao
graphic design to illustration is like webdev to computer science.

>>3565408
I've seen what you are describing many times on this board, what really grinds my gears is when someone posts a piece they like or one that inspires them and everyone acts like its shit because of minor mistakes in the anatomy or something minor like that. People aren't perfect and even so those tiny mistakes do not ruin the over all art piece. Its fine to criticize it don't get me wrong I'm just saying as some people here have mentioned that /ic/ values technical skill over aesthetics.

But the upside is that technical skill will help you with your aesthetics which is why it isn't all bad here.

Hyper rending doesn't look good to me either anon, I don't get the worship

>>3565465
>>3565476
>Sakimichan. I mean, I admit her Dark magician girl IS godlike and I fapped to it and maybe some other drawing

fuck off you faggots

>>3565514
designing business cards and trashy meme flyers is not art, you retard

>>3565570

>tumblr is colors now too, not just red noses and sjw crybully types

fuuuuuuck off

>>3566303
>muh brand of art is art
>yours not
literally console level arguments.

>>3565408
>It's all overendered realistic garbage that even while hard to paint, has no souls, and is just boring garbage
This. I hate that sort of art, it's fucking boring.

>>3565408
>caring about what other people like

>>3565482
Do you fap to hello kitty though?

If you guys want to talk about graphic design >>>/gd/ does exist. And yes, it is a better board than /ic/.

>>3565465
I totally agree, it's like making a great icing for the cake, but the cake underneath is tasteless.

has appeal, soul and a narrative
>but its realistic and overendered so its fucking garbage cuz i cant even do a fraction of their skill.

>>3568909
forgot pic

>>3568909

>>3565465
Hello Kitty was used to heal the Japanese after losing the war. https://youtu.be/CTAnJTB9roI

>>3568911
why they got a crab on their head lmao

>>3568911
>>3568922
The chinese illustrators almost always have this over the top tacky narrative that I just find cringy as fuck. Always those dead serious, expressionless faces as well. They have the most ridiculous subject matter, yet take their art 100% seriously without any humor or self-awareness.
>"Yep, I'm a centaur and I just beheaded that warcraft ogre. Now Imma fly away on my angel wings which are not actually in any way attached to my body, what about it?"

>>3565465
This reminds me of Djent music. It often has very skilled guitarists who spent some time in music school. Their solos are very skillful but boring and the rest of the song is just "D D D. D D D- D D- D D D". It's like the better they get the more their art becomes about showing off.

>>3565482
What's with you and Hello Kitty, anon?

>>3569618
its the zodiac sign cancer (crab)
>>3569651
wel duhh ofcourse it'll be an over the top narrative its the zodiac sign Sagittarius, almost the same as greek/roman mythology fanart made in the renaissance period, but hey since its from asia its cringy. But a girl being born inside a shell is not :v

>>3569843

>>3569651
>They have the most ridiculous subject matter, yet take their art 100% seriously without any humor or self-awareness

That sincerity is preferable to smarmy insecurity or unwarranted elitism. Ever try to talk shop with a modern animator these days?

>>3565408
I'll be honest, though I find those kinds of artworks to be uninspired and fucking boring I wouldn't mind getting to that skill level because normies and /beg/fags eat that shit up. The prospect of money makes it slightly more interesting to me.

Then again, waking up everyday and deciding which glowing skin girl with armor and floating hair WIP I should work on does not seem that creatively stimulating.

>>3565408
whatever sells sells.

>>3565694
>'They're not two different skillsets'
>'Yes they are.'
>'No they're not bro, sounds like you can't do both'
>Both
>Meaning they're two different things like the argument you replied to was saying

You just committed argument suicide, ya booty-muncher.