/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

*blocks your path*

How do I grayscale paint? What brushes do I use? Please send help, I'm in dire need.

>>3562505
is that Natalie Mars

>>3562507
No. Maybe. Got digital painting tips?

>>3562517
Nope. I paint IRL

>>3562505
watch istebrak videos and use brushes that have flow and opacity linked to pressure

>>3562518
I like drawing girls (male). Getting rekt on photoshop though.
>>3562522
Will try that, thanks.

Hey guys, been here yesterday, here's my 3rd day of trying to draw.
Drawn from reference, the first album that made my spirit much more free.
Rate away, I guess

>>3562526
by reference do you mean traced or looked over?

Not traced, just had the album art open on the PC and drew it by looking at it

>>3562535
well i dunno what the album looks like but your lines look pretty gud

>>3562507
I though the same shit. What's /IC/ opionion on "her"

>>3562536
Before The Dawn - Rise of the Phoenix

Either way, thanks anon, thing is, I already dread tomorrow's attempt at drawing as I'll probably won't have any ideas what to draw, suggestions?

>>3562538
My opinion is that degenerates who feed these sick people need to be unironically gassed.

>>3562538
She can have anything she wants. Real beauty

>>3562539
perhaps try something simplier, like an object from your house? maybe random stuff that lay on your desk? It will help you to learn about basic shapes, and that's pretty interesting considering you just started to draw

I need help coloring digitally. I've only done traditional and i don't get how I am supposed to get past the sketching stage. Any advice on how to get better?

>>3562554
which software do you use?

>>3562558
Firealpaca

>>3562553
Thanks fren, I dunno, I spent years drawing abstract shit during school so I don't think shapes are my problem, however, actually drawing something, Jesus.. (I still believe today's drawing was a pure miracle)

>>3562562
ever tried Krita? perhaps you'll have a better feeling with it. plus, it's free.

How bad am I?
I tried doing that exercise in the sticky but drawing upside down gave me a headache after like 20 mins.

>>3562566
I have krita on my laptop but I haven't used it yet because the interface makes me feel like a retard. I'll give it a shot.

What is the difference between the two?

>>3562568
>How bad am I?
How does it compare to the original?

Any good tutorials on drawing hair?

>>3562581
Use a harder brush.

>>3562571
idk, never tried firealpaca
but actually krita is pretty easy to use, and if you're still having an hard time figuring how it works, you can find good tutorials online or just ask for help here

Another week. Really not happy with the amount of drawings but thats for next time I guess.

>>3562458
pt 2

>>3562586

>>3562588

I want to draw tonight but idk what, so i did a colonial Wario, it seemed to be the right thing to do
thoughts?

>>3562578
Hands look like something out Lovecraft and I messed up the head since I ran out of space but close enough.

>>3562446
kinda of cool to get to be the OP image

>>3562590
it's cute

how do i draw a hollow hole?

>>3562607
Jealousy intensifies

>>3562607
what's been your way to understand how to draw heads? i've been trying and trying but my heads look like shit

>>3562607
When constructing faces in 3/4 view like this guy, I find I always mess up the guidelines, and they end up hurting more than helping. Is there a "for dummies" method for drawing them or something? How do I not fuck it all up?

>>3562538
I'd like to take "her" on a date

>>3562581
I feel like the mouth is off-center, and the ear is too low

>>3562588
Are you drawing with a mouse?

>>3562590
added some colors and background shit
>>3562607
wat

Trying to get out of my comfort zone and actually draw clothes. Fuck shoes tho.

>>3562667
It looks like artwork from wikihow.
Please read a book or two about rendering.

>>3562674
got some books in particular to advise me? i know that i suck at it, i draw sketches most of the time and i'm not comfortable with coloring

>>3562673
Looks good, aside from the shoes.

>>3562587
Needs more thicc

>>3562585
not the guy you replied to, but asking for Krita advice on here is an awful idea. Maybe it was just the state of the board (albeit this was only 6ish months ago) but there was no advice to be found.

>t. used to be Krita fag

>>3562587
>>3562678

https://i.imgur.com/qpBbgD4.jpg Bigger there

Pls give critic on values or something I'm not sure if I'm getting out of /beg/ yet or what. Are the shading and folds believable? After spending 6 hours on that I'm having trouble finding flaws since I supposedly corrected everything, though I fucked up the starting point of the left eye and turned it into a wink.

>>3562587
>>3562678

wtf do i do!?!? i'm pretty good at drawing heads from ref, without loomis and stuff, but whenever i try to draw heads from imaginations with loomis, or even from ref with loomis it looks like pic related. idk how to make them look less shit. can someone give me advice abt what to do to improve in this regard? do i grind skulls? idk what to do ):

>>3562689
is there any way for you to take a photo from directly above the drawing?
also, i advise you to rest a bit and look up on this drawing tomorrow in order to see its obvious flaws.

>>3562695
show us the heads you draw without loomis?

>>3562635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg
this video, and also vilppu drawing manual really helped me to understand form alot more.(i preach this book alot around here)
this will make your heads alot more 3D.

i sometimes start with an elipse and then draw simple orientation lines (which you can see in the pic)
from there i create some lines to where the eyebrows, base of the nose and mouth should be

>>3562651
construction of facial features will help(simple lines), and also perspective

>>3562697
https://i.imgur.com/PATtLIA.jpg This one is as straight as it gets I think, it does look more skinny. Also I already woke up a few hours ago so that won't help I fear

>>3562702
not phenomenal but it look aight

>>3562719
>it look aight
You might think it be like it is, but it don't. Go look at any book on portraits and learn how an eye works.

>>3562726
yeah, i feel like i don't have an amazing understanding of any features. got any recs for a book on portrait drawing?


i'm gonna try putting like 4 hrs a day into grinding heads for the rest of the month and hopefully i can draw a decent looking head from imagination by the end of it

Is there any alternatives to Keys to Drawing? I want to try and bear through it but its so monotonous to me I really can't continue with it.

>>3562792
"Drawing on the right side of the brain" is a good substitute.

wich muscles are they referring to?

>>3562792
Drawing is monotonous?

>>3562695
You don't understand the way features look or the planes of the face, you are just pasting the features on like stickers on a flat surface, the face isn't a flat plane. I don't know how far you've actually gotten in studying Loomis but I'd assume not very far, because Loomis does address this.

how much is NMA a month? & are the learning paths that they've added well done? they're actually what I just learned is relatively new (I guess? its been ages since I checked last) and I feel would be beneficial for me - bit of hand holding on where to start, rly.
tempted to spend some money on exercises and books and such as a little extra motivation. a lot of pdfs just sit on my hdd and instead I just draw from reference or imagination for fun instead of learning the how-to's. also kinda wanna watch my boy vilppu

>>3562792
This isn't a drawing problem most likely, it sounds like you have a bad ability to focus. Only way to fix this is take breaks and develop more "endurance" I couldn't draw for 30 minutes when I started but can do 4 hours pretty easily (with a few short breaks)

I can't shade

>>3562827
perhaps it's irrelevent considering it's written in french and that it focuses on pixel art, but this tutorial helped me a lot back in the days to understand basics of shading:
http://www.lesforges.org/article/cours-pixel-art-shading?scroll_to=article

>>3562815
i looked at the method and tried to replicate it. how far in does he talk about this, and to what lengths? i'm trying diff approaches now anyway and trying to understand planes of the face

Should i start sketching with a hard opaque brush or with a soft transparent one?

quickly doodled this before i leave to embrace my bed
critics are welcome

>>3562823
You're probably right there honestly, i have awful focus and can't really do one thing for more then 15 minutes without being distracted. Guess i'll just bear through it and take breaks more often.

>>3562823
I can attest to this as I am doing the same thing of taking a break when I'm in the middle of drawing and keeping my drawing monitor on, then going back to drawing when I get energy/motivation back.

Keep taking breaks and as time goes on you will not be taking as many breaks.
I find that when I am trying to draw something that I don't want to draw then my attention will make me lose focus.

Anatomy drawing will do this to you..

Can someone give me some tips on how to do good line art with krita? When im going over the original i find that the weighted delay (40-200pixels) doesnt have the right brush weight at the beginning, always starting off way too light so my lines dont look consistent

>>3562846
Whats to criticise? Its "quick" and obviously doesnt have much effort.

Drew this for another board
How do I get better?

Any photoshop pros here? I'm trying to adjust the color balance on an images, but not based on a grey card (because the pics provided to me did not have a grey card). I "know" what the colors of one of the objects in the picture should be since I have the same object IRL, and pictures in a color space (color balance) I can work with. How should I go about adjusting the color balance of the unknown image to bring it into the same space as the colors on the known images.

>>3562866
Redraw this riggt now for me but keep the following in mind

Shoulder to shoulder is 2x head width
Neck isnt a tube
Use a real sword for reference.


You have 40 mins, use all that time. Go!

>>3562872
ok

Where are some exercises for drawing characters, also wheres a step by step on how professionals do it. Id rather do exercises, since a lot of these books and other recommends are overly talkative and don't get to the brass tax.

>>3562863
That's a criticism now isn't It?

it doesnt pertain to the drawing itself.

am i on the road to actually good draughtsmanship yet?

What does “feel the forms” and create “interesting shapes mean”? How do I practice these skills?

Im trying to avoid using the “symbols” you seem to despite so much

>>3562505
dont be scared to go darker on your shadows

>>3562719
pic rel

>>3562907
is this like a Badum Tsss? cuz ya probably right ): i've been grinding since then tho! doing eyes rn! planes of the head r still kinda tough but i am slowly forming my understanding of eyes !

>>3562909
symbols my dude, see sticky

>>3562911
oh. i tried to copy the ref, but i think it's my lack of understanding of the forms that are the features of the face that are lacking. i am beyond symbol drawing

This wasn't meant to be posted but suddenly I felt like I could draw Garou and I did it and I'm impressed, I think drawing skulls actually lets me draw anime faces. Also I did this drawing in aproximately an hour, drawign without references makes me feel proud but I can only think of boring poses if I'm not drawing fights. Well I guess life is like that, there's only so much dynamism I can put in guys standing there.

>>3562505
Greyscale to color is actually difficult. You have to understand that different hues have different relative values to the other hues. Purples and blues are much lighter than yellows, etc. It's a lot of study. Your value range is quite compact and could use highlights along with shadows.

Some of the better methods of converting from greyscale are gradient maps along with a soft light layer with a hint of the color you'd like it to be. From there you can start painting in direct color. The most important part is understand local and relative color. There are more steps in greyscale to color than painting with direct color. I find thumbnail sketches help for values and then move on to the color. Be sure to check your image by converting it to a proper grayscale and not just black and white. Krita has some good tools for this, for PS I think you're stuck with having to convert to greyscale or change the layer mode to luminosity.

Here's an example with a color layer but there's a trick in PS with blending it with the normal layer below so that you get a better transition from cool shadows to warm skin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB9Jui9wQNg&t=18m

>>3562522
>istebrak

>>3562957
misread op as greyscale to color whoops.

For greyscale you want to split the values into a system, usually 3-5 values. A good method based on things like Bargue plates or charcoal drawing is starting with the shadows, the darkest darks. Then adding the parts in light (midtones are already there). Then blending between the shadows and midtone and lights and midtone. Lastly you'd add the highlights or 5th scale.

So a value scale would be
1 - darks
2 - shadow midtone
3 - midtone
4 - lights
5 - highlight

You can compress them stylistically for either you want and remember that in a shadow the lightest shadow can't be lighter than the darkest part in light.

first time oil painting, what are some first time mistakes I can avoid?

This guy has very good facial construction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p75oCoU1hSw

>>3562866
>>3562872
so?

>>3562974
I hope he posts the update

>>3562973
it's just loomis tho

>>3562446
Is this the regular OP or is he still dead

>>3562986
he still dead

I won’t give up. Maximum Effort!

Can I have some critque on this sprite.

The B.) is the original,
A.) is photoshops auto color touch up.

Also want to know which color is better.

>>3562974
>>3562981
Sorry, I am a faggot.
Somehow it looks worse than before

>>3563035
passable.
if you want to improve, work on gesture, faces and more creative designs

>>3563043
Thanks Anon, I do want to improve. Do you have any comments on this sprite in particular. I tried to do a full range of value, but I'm worried it's to dark in areas.

Is shading from lighter to darker values a problem? I always see people recommending the opposite

>>3563046
its generally passable, there are no severe flaws, lighting could be improved, just train more at it. bottom middle is best one.

>>3563035
Also working on these two at the moment

>>3563035
Also working on these two at the moment.

>>3563041
Dont self loath. It looks way better, actual proportions. Just rinse and repeat with every mistake you see

>>3562895
You've been on the road for a while it seems.

>>3563035
It looks like you entered her bathroom and she wants to punch you but she's hesitant because that would reveal her tits and vag

>>3562446
So like how much of this studying fundamental do I need to do because I know the basics but I usually see people here saying you need to study all the time. Is this true? Can I not just draw, make a mistake and this figure out how to correct the mistake for the next drawing?
(Please don't get mad if this is a dumb question)

A lot of the time, I feel like I'm trying to draw 'above my skill level' if that makes sense. I can't put it into words very well, but it's like while I'm drawing, I feel I don't have the skill to properly draw what I'm envisioning. Is that normal while you're trying to learn, or is it a bad sign that I did pick a subject too advanced for me?

>>3563056
The head looks off since the body is really detailed. It looks like someone plastered an anime girl head on a real persons body in a sense.

>>3563115
>you need to study all the time.
Yeah by constantly applying it to your own drawings.

>>3563142
nah thats normal bro
keep it up

>>3563143
Lol'd.I like the description. I do a rough pass draw over and then refine the bits as I go. The heads and feet still require second pass. Then the abdomens might get a third.

messing around with render styles for a comic in the future. i absolutely love sketching and sometimes lining. but colour theory and values bores me to fuckin death. which sucks cause, yakno, its somewhat fundamental to an interesting piece of art that people will admire. recently shown a few friends this drawing of this dr disrespect lookin sleazebag and they prefer left to right. which kinda sucks because i am enjoying etching the right one.. any advice on some line heavy methods of rendering drawings?

>>3563142
When in doubt, simplify.

Can I make it as an artist if I have no motivation or creativity?

>>3563167
Well, no.
You gotta have motivation to practice and improve.
And tracing and copying isn't enough forever, but it makes for good practice.

>>3563151
check out some dave rapoza. you might be able to make a comic and keep it black and white or find a colorist/flatter for you.
https://www.instagram.com/daverapoza/

>>3563173
oh wow, his sketches start off messy as fuck too, his coloured stuff is quite inspiring too. maybe he's my gateway into enjoying more painterly stuff in the future.

thanks a million for the link :)

How do I learn to draw like this?

>>3563184
You probably already do. Your rendering is just lacking.

is this overall okay? i dont care about the hair,head, face part, im just worried about the figure

>>3563223
Lmao whats a hip

>>3563224
its a bone at the bottom of the spine that the legs connect to and its foreshortened in mine. i used design doll to figure this shit out. ill have to recreate the pose to show

>>3563223
ahahahaha

>>3563225
Youvknow tou only answered like this because it looks shit. Ball joint dolls are for ratios man, not whatcyou thibj

>>3563223
That's pretty terrifying. Quadruple check your proportions for a start

>>3563225
Actually you know what, outline where the hip is for me. Draw whole skwlly if you want

>>3563232
>pic related
>>3563228
how so, im just trying to draw a pose in a challenging position and painting the skin. i dont care about it being elegant or wtfever.
>>3563227
ya got me gj

>>3563239
>>3563242
here ya go

>>3562726
What book is that?

>>3563242
"Elegance" just means correct execution really. Also thats not a outline. TKe your image and outline the hip

>>3563249
>TKe your image
what is this

>>3563249
>"Elegance" just means correct execution really
el·e·gance
ˈeləɡəns/Submit
noun
1.
the quality of being graceful and stylish in appearance or manner; style.
"a slender woman with grace and elegance"
synonyms: style, stylishness, grace, gracefulness, taste, tastefulness, sophistication; More
2.
the quality of being pleasingly ingenious and simple; neatness.
"the simplicity and elegance of the solution"

im pretty sure the pose, which is awkward, unnatural, and uncommon automatically fails at being elegant. so no need to judge it from the viewpoint of idealized beauty. i want to know if it's technically correct, both anatomically and how its painted.

>>3563256
TKe is obviously take

Elegance in your drawing, not the pose you fucking idiot

>>3563282
>TKe is obviously take
kek no it isnt.
>Elegance in your drawing, not the pose you fucking idiot
oh well i dont really practice drawing figures, especially from imagination, so since its anatomically correct and drawn pretty much just how imagined so ill call it a half win?

>>3563256
>i want to know if it's technically correct, both anatomically and how its painted.
Nope, I reiterate the proportions are fucked. You might have determined the lengths of things from that doll but since the anatomy and perspective are lacking the foreshortening is not implied at all. I suggest you try to correctly make an easier pose first.
As for the painting, it seems like you're trying to paint things without knowing what they look like. The brush strokes are very confusing.

>make tonal bar
>"okay, looks doable"
>working for 20 minutes
>pencil leaves the paper once
>touches the paper again, few shades darker than the surrounding tones
>have to spend a fuckload of time moving every shade up again
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Could somebody tell me what the fundamentals are, and in which order I should practice them? I've been drawing for a couple of months now, and only been learning to see form and draw gesture. What would be the next step?

>>3563223
My dude, try to look at some references, something like pushups or yoga poses. The pose itself is near impossible, try to replicate it yourself. You'd need at least a broken leg, or a complete lack of bones in your thighs to get close to that.

>>3563294
What key is next to a you mongolian. Youre drawings fuck. Its a win if youre aiming to lose. Its not anatomically correct at all

>>3563299
Draw me the head again, but leave your guidelines in

>>3562914
no you're not lmao, study more

>>3563307
you're misunderstanding the pose. i actually did myself pretty easily.

>>3563223
use a bigger brush, remember the 5 Bs

>>3563308
one you didnt bother using appropriately? or even in a logical linear order?
>>3563295
pic related is a damn near one for one when you consider the ball sockets of the elbows and the fact that the dolls torso isnt exactly properly proportionate itsself. i mean i get my painting is probably doing a bad job and showing what its supposed to show but you guys are sperging over the pose itsself because theres nooooo waaaay a complicated pose like this could have been accomplished by a /beg/

>>3563313
Please try to understand what I'm saying before you convince yourself that you're right. One of these arms has depth, the other is just plain short and fucked. That's just one example.
Why do you even come here if you try your best to deflect every criticism, not self-reflecting?

>>3563309
Sorry, the drawing is an old one. I just attached it to give some idea of where I am. I'd rather get some answers to the questions I asked in the original post.

>>3563318
>>3563318
>Why do you even come here if you try your best to deflect every criticism, not self-reflecting?
because 4chans criticism is fucking retarded at times and shouldn't be taken blindly. someone said "LOLOLOLOLOLEJKEKEKEKEKEKELOLOLOLMAO WAT R HIPS THOOOO" turns out the fucking hips are one of the best drawn part. the overall anatomy is fucking correct despite other anons claiming it isnt. in fact, the ONLY thing wrong with anatomy is the mine is mispresented by the painting (as shown by your post). so now im stuck defending what i got right because 4chan immediately dismisses it as (lol2hrd4uscrub) just to get to real helpful criticisms that point out a serious flaw in the paint/rendering to show foreshortening, like yours. i dont suppose you have resources for studying lighting foreshortened objects do you?

>>3563318
If you reply to people in a snooty, degrading or mocking manner expect people to defend themselves.

I'm not the person who did the drawing but I see this kind of behaviour when people are "criticising" things or work that people have presented.
It's very easy to fix by applying to yourself what way you want people to reply/treat you.

>>3563299
Perspective, mark making, rendering value and texture, construction and anatomy, sight measurement, winging it. You do these all at once. An arm is just a cylinder in perspective with some muscles wapped over it in the right places, some lines to suggest where they overlap, and shadows where there are supposed to be shadows. A head starts with an egg and a guitar pick that looks about the right size and goes from there. A cathedral is a couple boxes with 3 vanishing points and some careful geometry to draw the arches. The fundamentals are being able to place an object in space and sculpt proportionate forms over it in perspective.

>>3563184
From what I've heard, there is a technique they used where the perspective was somehow reversed to make things "pop out" rather than creating an illusion of depth. So there is definitely a technique behind this style, though I do not know it myself.

>>3563326
>because 4chans criticism is fucking retarded at times
so get out.

>>3563348
>at times
durr. make me

>>3563346
Holy shit, I found it.

>>3563359
You don't really fit in here, you're thin skinned as fuck
Someone told you your anatomy was off, specifically at the hips, and all you did was cry and whine and throw a tantrum for several posts
Either you learn to take a crit, or you go do something else

>>3563362
This guy gives a brief overview of byzantine perspective and the purpose of it
https://youtu.be/c2xF3Bk70NQ?t=32m24s

>>3563326
>the overall anatomy is fucking correct
It's not, honestly
>the ONLY thing wrong with anatomy is the mine is mispresented by the painting
I don't know why you are once again telling yourself this. The problem can be solved already in the drawing/sketch as I told you before with that sitting woman.
>i dont suppose you have resources for studying lighting foreshortened objects do you?
Real life comes to mind. And books that deal with lighting in general.
Sorry to be a dick but your attitude really is against everything these threads are for. If you're convinced that your drawing is correct but every post you see says it's not, please examine it again, maybe after a break.

>>3563366
>You don't really fit in here, you're thin skinned as fuck
thanks guy whos clearly in charge of deciding this. >>3563366
>Someone told you your anatomy was off, specifically at the hips, and all you did was cry and whine and throw a tantrum for several posts
well yeah the hips match the doll exactly, of course im going to defend it

>>3563390
>It's not, honestly
o-okay
>The problem can be solved already in the drawing/sketch
what do you mean
when i finish my two paintings ill go back to drawing for a while

>>3563313
Draw
The
Fucking
Pelvis
Draw it

>>3563415
You do you, buddy.

>>3563415
>what do you mean
I mean that you can imply foreshortening and different angles with very little rendering. When you know what a body part actually looks like from the angle you are trying, you can use overlaps (overlaps was a big one for me!) and forms that describe the bones and muscles from that viewpoint.
Not my picture obviously but it demonstrates the concept really well. Notice how clear it is where the body parts are facing, try to determine how.

kill me, I cant learn to draw

>>3563456
If you keep telling yourself that you can't do something, then yes-you will never be able to do anything.

You will forever be a prisoner by your very own way of thinking if you continue to think that way.

>>3563456
what the fuck are you talking about? You're inches away from graduating from /beg/
all I touched up on was give him more cranium at the back of his head, shorten his right shoulder a bit, thin his neck and straighten his collar
the cranium was the biggest issue

>>3563456
Looks well done. Adding to the other anon's fixes the only thing that I see would be the left shoulder that seems to recede at a really steep angle.

>>3563433
ooooakkkay. i did pic related just now. by drawing a really shitty gesture without looking at my drawing then drawing the boxes for the torso and hips, so i took the boxes for the torso and hips and overlayed them over my painting. and wow they line up.
>>3563434
okay
>>3563451
i get that but thats just a sketch, not a drawing. i think what i should have done for the elbow in the above pic was show a crease line showing that theres a deep bend on the inside of that elbow

>>3563502
Here's an idea, draw real people and not mannequins.

goddamnit i forgot the pic
>>3563518
>leaving my basement
i dont think so. plus that was done from imagination plus the help of the doll after the fact

>>3563526
Wow you guys weren't kidding when you said /beg/ is bad

and as uncomfortable and awkward as the pose is, it IS possible for the guy saying that it isnt. however her right hand and forward foot should be flattened to support the weight
>>3563528
yeah cause i care so much about doing a nice gesture just to proof a point to anon

>>3563310
ur wrong

>>3563526
Your little dolly is doing this.

>>3563502
>that's just a sketch
All the info you put in the sketch carries over. The more effort you put into the sketch, the less work you have to do later to fix anything you got wrong. It's much faster to fix a sketch. Sketching is the part where you're supposed to figure out the perspective and basic anatomy. Don't underestimate how important the early stages are to make a coherent figure.
For the elbow, a crease alone might not be sufficient, you also need to know how the muscles and bones work to make it convincing enough. Don't symbol draw anything, make a conscious effort to figure out what the real thing looks like when you go for realism, even if it takes a long time.

>>3563549
you did the shoulders wrong. what does that dick have to do with anything?
>>3563553
>>3563553
>All the info you put in the sketch carries over. The more effort you put into the sketch, the less work you have to do later to fix anything you got wrong. It's much faster to fix a sketch. Sketching is the part where you're supposed to figure out the perspective and basic anatomy. Don't underestimate how important the early stages are to make a coherent figure.
i agree but do mind this a bit of a challenging pose and i dont exactly draw figures a lot. i could put more effort into the sketch. i mean i noticed a decent amount of mistakes in the sketch then i did the pose with the doll and noticed a couple more. since improved at painting my shitty portraits i figured id paint my figure since painting figures is a bit more straightforward (i think?). my process goes, layer for gesture, layer for boxes, layer for cylinders for arms/legs/head etc, layer for overall finished sketch. get rid of the rest of the layers. adjust sketch as neccessary. one of the reasons i posted was to see how the foreshortening looked but everyone (tried) ripped the anatomy/proportions/perspective instead. fucking hell. ill just trying to draw something really simple and break it down step by step. or maybe ill just post it tomorrow

>>3563563
The whole point is your torso is wrong. I'm not wasting fresh paper on this shit.

>>3563569
>>3563569
>The whole point is your torso is wrong
how. am drawing new figure as we speak. be a sport a waste paper with me pls

drawn in 25 min with 0 refs. if i spent more time i could go through it and measure proportions more thoroughly in case i missed something. and i usually dont go into to much more detail besides whats in the third figure due to the fact i paint over everything anyways. im going to bed now though.

>>3563597
and just in case someone wants to be a deliberate dumb dumb, shes leaning her shoulders against a wall and her raised foot is also planting on said wall

What's the best website community for posting my beg-tier artwork?

>>3563597
Yep, looks like we've figured out one of the problems. Definitely do show the "landmarks" of anatomy in your sketch since they're easier to determine / faster to fix in that stage. You're way focused on contour instead of specific anatomy.

>>3563597
those breasts should be a little lower and connect to the armpit and it looks like the one on the left is a little too high relative to the other tit

>>3563653
deviantart will sing you praises no matter what you do

>>3563167
Why do you want to be an artist if you have no motivation or creativity? Find another hobby

>>3563246
drawing portraits by gioavanni civardi

>>3563693
hey quit it

>>3563696
ok

>>3563693
Stop with that picture. It's good but stop.

>>3563676
oh yeah i forget about those. time to watch some proko. but does what i have so far check out
>>3563681
yeah i noticed that a sec after i posted it and i think the straightened leg could be shifted forward just a bit too.

is my shoulder supposed to feel like the bones are grinding against each other

>>3563731
Yes that's how you know you're gonna make it.

>>3563712
>>3563696
am I missing something? the only other time I've seen that picture was in the last thread

>>3563456
>"I cant draw bros le please kill me"
>can probably draw better than most of /beg/
>clearly not a beginner

stop being a faggot and just ask for criticism godamn retard

I feel really demotivated whenever I try to draw something, but I feel okay just scribbling random lines and circles. Can I get good at drawing by standing off scribbling and not really thinking about things and just see where it takes me? Like after 10,000 pages of scribbling eventually something meaningful will emerge?

>>3563747
it's higher-beg level, but beg nonetheless

>>3563750
Same dude. Drawabox.

>>3563750
Try it. See where it might lead you. Tell us what you find.

How do you know when you're good enough to start buying specialized pencils or go digital?

I don't want to drop money on this and later have buyer's remorse

>>3563776
Special pencils won't help you. Buy the cheapest A4 copier paper and take a handful of Ikea pencils.

>>3563776
when you feel like its the only thing stopping your artwork from improving

>>3563747
Thats a surprise, I am kinda new here, my draw mates say iam doing shit. And thx, u guys kinda cheered me up.

>>3563776
You're not really drawing unless you burn your own wood and use the charcoal according to /ic/.
You can probably afford a set of pencils (or a beginner tablet) so if you think you'll have more fun and keep drawing that way then by all means go ahead.

>>3563776
>>3563811
idk who advocates that, but you can get a decent pencil for like a dollar; pencils really aren't that expensive. a normal mechanical papermate pencil will suffice for the most part anyway

>>3563747
>stop being a faggot and just ask for criticism godamn retard
I'm not that Anon, but I am a /beg/ tier artist who posts in these threads. Am I supposed to be asking for criticism when I post work? My art basically never gets any (You)'s but I haven't been specifically asking for crits although I'd appreciate them

>>3563821
Nah, just posting is fine unless want to direct attention to any specific issue. As per OP post:
>use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
seems pretty clear to me.

>>3563776
If you sharpen your pencils with a knife you can buy whatever and get away with it
If you want to use a mechanical sharpener you'll need quality pencils (otherwise the graphite stick will be off-center break all the fucking time)

>>3563830
>be extreme /beg/ tier
>draw, color, shade something
>don't have any art academic background, just doing what makes sense to do in my pea brain , or what i've seen other artists do
>get no (you)s
>can't even ask for specific crits since i have no idea what i am doing wrong
>don't even know what i'm doing right

>>3563845
Post work and I'll critique without being a useless dick I swear anon

>>3563849
Doesn't mean that they have reason to pick on you, which is what you will find most of the time when it comes to "critiques".

>>3563845
Find videos on youtube and figure out what you should be doing.

>>3563845
>>3563935
or better yet post here

>>3563845
post your prev. stuff ill try to help

Hi, here are some drawings I did recently. Any feedback would greatly be appreciated.

Have been practicing for a few months. I did this in about an hour and a half/two hours.

>>3563744
This picture has been posted in every sketchbook/lastdrawingyoudid thread recently.

>>3563944
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

>>3563184
>a priest chasing after a little child...

>>3563944
Now learn construction.

I can draw in a minimalistic cartoon artstyle and get something decent, but my portraits are slightly above deviant art cringe, and I can't do gesture drawing for shit. Should I read muh Loomis and practise construction or do I just stubbornly stick to gesture drawing until it's not shitty or I snap?
Is there any correct order to learn fundamental skills or should one just focus on a skill as he sees fit? I thought that gesture drawing would be easier but I feel that I'm smacking my head against a wall trying to get something which looks human.

>>3563982
proko -->gesture vid

>>3563849
>>3563939
>>3563941
i don't want to link my drawings after calling attention to myself in such a manner. i probably dont deserve criticism anyway because i havent touched any art books or studied any theory. i really only try to rote-learn art skills by copying artists i like.

>>3564008
do it plox

>>3564008
are you a girl or just very low test?????????

>>3564012
I just want to improve, and Ive been on 4chan long enough to know how this works.

>>3564016
post your art
that's how it works

>>3563597
eric abysmal lines detected

How long does it take to graduate from /beg/?

I've been drawing since last year and yet I feel like I can't do anything but make half-decent sketches

>>3564016
>i probably dont deserve criticism anyway
why the fuck would you need to """deserve""" criticism, we want to flex our big fucking brains and give you the advice that you clearly need/want

>>3563944
Is this lina

>>3564049
half decent sketches are good enough. just look at what you did wrong and work on it in the next sketch.
better than polishing a turd for a week like most begs

how much paint thinner do i put into one of these? how much do i need and when do i need to change it?

>>3564137
Yugi?

>>3563776
hey anon, I drew this image with a Mitsubishi Uni 2mm lead holder. The only drawback is that it requires a different sharpener.

>>3562591
Try drawin the nigga right side up using an upside down reference.

Can someone help me with a critique. From imagination . I don’t know how to shadow

>>3563944
Bait

>>3564122
>>3564137

>can't even draw straight lines longer than 3 inches
what the fuck

Got an apple pencil for my birthday, this was my first try at making a painting in my life. What do y'all think? How can I start to make better pieces?

I posted this in the last /beg/ thread and took the advice of the other anons and practised on visualizing the organic form as cylinder. Did the remaining DS course in the mean time and after that came back this so..how bad is it?. How messy is the line work now?

Figure /beg/ guy from last week. I tried to apply every advices I received to the best of my abilities and I saw significent improvement. Do you guys have any new crit? I'd really appreciate it

>>3564303
u didn't really improve. the same fundamental problems that were there b4 are still there. u seem to be bad at conceptualizing how these forms would look like, so maybe try and get some clay or something so u can sculpt them out

>>3564303
i feel like you did all of this in less than 5 minutes. That's how halfassed it looks

>>3564356
what is she standing on? i feel like her left foot should be a little more flat. otherwise this is great for /beg/

Can I get a redline for this, the lower body is being especially hard, not very good with feet, but I used some perspective guidelines on this so that helped a bit.

I've been studying art for months now, since like january, and I don't feel like I've improved at all.

>>3564409
nice blog, i'm sure it's helping you improve

>>3564394
Are you fucking kidding ne? Dont even pretend like you bothered to adhere to any perspective. Whats worse is youre symbol drawing. It lacks depth.

>>3564421
it does? well, can you help me out with that?

here's some aneemay
because i know you realist faggots hate it

>>3564475
you got to bend the jawline a bit when you get near the ear

Does correct anatomy actually matter if the end result is still cute?

>>3564549
S t y l i s a t i o n
It just needs to seem correct/not too out there

>>3562446

Left pic is from 4month ago. The right one was done sometime last week. I think a lot of the problems with the latest one is that it lacks a clear focal point and is mostly devoid of contrast between the positive and negative space. It also only has bare basic understanding of form and not enough values. What do you guys recommend me to do better?

>>3564597
what size canvas do you use?

>>3564597
What happened to his hands on the right

>>3564602
The standard 300dpi A4: 2480 by 358 on Krita. I want to add a whole lot more details but it looks blurred when I zoom in and my potato comp can’t handle any higher.

>>3564603
I don’t have a “good” design for the hands. Not really sure what to put on there.

>>3564607
3508*

>>3564607
you can always chop it into bits so it doesn't overtax your computer.

anyway i think your main problem (this is just my opinion) is that you don't pay much attention to design in the 2d sense. you design cool characters but you don't put much effort into having pleasing colour combinations and value groups and that sort of thing.

if i were you what i'd do is instead of doing dudes in armour i'd do something like star trek characters, something with lots of bright colours and strong but simple aesthetics, that way you can really think about making a picture that looks good.

>>3564555
4 head doesn't mean 4 heads

>>3564303
I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at here.
What is it?

>>3564270
Use a ruler/set square, most people can't freehand a straight line anyway.

>>3564615
I think you are very much right. When I see works from Mikhail Rakhullin or Bedouin (or whatever that French guy is called) they always have clear and distinct designs with great executions. Thanks dude.

Is becoming a master at drawing worth missing out on tv, video games and friends?

>>3564677
Eat
Sleep
Art
Repeat

>>3564679
ONE NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

>>3564683
What

>>3564687
You killed it newfag

>>3562866
etrian odyssey IV?

>be me
>download 3D model poser app on iPad
>use iPad as a lightbox
>bullshit through clothing
>bullshit through non-humanoid objects
>use selfies of my face to reference facial features
>art comes out as somewhat decent 3/10, as opposed to 1/10 beginner shit
I consider this practice. I want to make a drawing like this every time I can for a few years before I move on to drawing without references, and then learning how to draw/paint environments and landscapes. Pic related is some shit I posted on a Chinese book reviewing forum that was created in this method. Lighting is unprofessional as expected and I used filters on the picture, moving it from a 3/10 to a 2/10.

Critique pls.

>>3564773
Big anatomic oof.

>>3564755
Tldr looks like shit

>>3564303
I'm just a beginner myself, but I think your issue is that you're failing to really visualize the 3D form. You need to think about not just how the line follows the surface of your object, but how it wraps around it cohesively.
I attached an example of what I mean, though I'm just starting to grasp the concept myself so there are a lot of issues, but you can see how the lines wrap around the whole form. I'd recommend starting with simpler shapes and just making regular circles (or rather ellipses) that follow the 3D form, before you start pushing and pulling the shape in various ways.
Oh, and try to be more deliberate with your lines, not just line quality, but making sure that every line does its job of defining the form. The fewer lines you need, the better.
Hope that helps.

>>3564786
Not necessarily. I’m pleased somewhat by it.

>>3564755
If you're serious about learning to draw, you will progress much faster if you go through the recommended materials. If you don't care then keep doing whatever pleases you.

>>3564755
Sorry, but it's actually still 1/10 beginner level. And it's not good practice if you're practicing poor technique. You're just gonna get better at drawing poorly. After a few years you'll most likely have gone from a 1/10 to an actual 3/10.

I'd recommend reading keys to drawing. Just working through the first few chapter would significantly improve the quality of your drawings, and you'd get way more out of the time you invest if you practice established techniques.

Even if you aren't taking art super seriously, it would be nice to improve a little faster, no? I know I'd personally much rather read a book and spend a month getting to a 3/10 than drudging through a year getting to a similar level. You only have one life so please don't waste a good chunk of it on feeling like you're either too good for learning proper technique, or like it's "too serious". If you want to get good at drawing without wasting too much time, reading a book and deliberate practice is the way to go.

>>3562719
youre visually copying, not drawing by understanding form.

>>3563184
child falling, priest going "you forgot your board"

>>3564303
your straight lines are fucking shit up.
forms are like a collection of shapes with a cloth draped over them. atleast the complicated thing youre trying to do are.
draw more sausages mate.
but take my advice with a pinch of salt im just a beginner. and too many peoples opinions may confuse shit.

>>3564773
yikes

>>3564793
Not that anon but you hit the nail on the head.
gmi.

>>3564919
>>3562719

ya bro i'm grinding individual features of the face now to better understand the forms

>>3564773
You must be 18 to post here

Been having trouble staying motivated to draw for a while, probably down to not studying, how do i keep motivated and figure out what i need to study i guess?

>>3565206
I just draw what my dick tells me to and see what I need to work on. This month is anatomy and better markmaking. Next month is looking like drapery, texture and patterns, and finally learning my way around digital. Somewhere in there is extreme perspective, but that keeps getting pushed back until I get the regular hard to draw angles down.

Try to draw a hyena and you'll fill a page with nothing but noses or something. You tend to find something interesting to work on along the way.

I did it recently, used a bit of liquify to make the face doesn't look like a person with cheek cancer

>>3565214
It's okay to erase lines. Also protip: the inner contour (the white area that's actually the face) of a line determines the form. The line itself is something else entirely. I haven't figured out what because it doesn't exist in nature, but it does a lot of things.

>>3565216
so if I had a black background and would draw a face, I would just use white color, no contour, right?

>>3564597
blog?

>>3565218
Look at it like painting. The area inside the line is the paint, the line and outside is the background. What the line dileneates on the inside, what it contains, is more important than the line itself. Until you get to exterior contours.

Decided to go back to drawabox. Why are my lines so shitty, /beg/?

>>3565232
You should use a ruler for the first line.

>>3565232
Delerium tremens?

>>3565233
It's not the superimposing lines exercise, it's the ghosting one.
>>3565234
I actually don't drink alcohol at all.

>>3565236
Spend hundreds of hours of class time hatching the fuck out of your margins instead of paying attention to a 3500 dollar class and you'll get it down. It's more of a parlor trick than a useful skill after the first couple inches.

>>3565239
>Everyone lives in burgerland
The university is free here. Also student loan is pretty much the best deal you can get.

>>3562446
How different is pixel art compared to doing art normally?

>>3565212
>I just draw what my dick tells me to and see what I need to work on
This actually might help me.I've been drawing dinosaurs lately, what you think?

>>3565232
Use stabilization.

>>3565285
Don't fuck dinosaurs.

>>3565285
It's a start. It's appealing at the very least. Work on inking over it with one confident line for a month and you'll be set to make cute dinos.

Is this roughly how 3/4 view head construction works? Ignore the shitty features please. Red lines are to indicate planes / rough form.

>>3565328
Draw more real people from that angle. It's the hardest to figure out.

>>3565330
I will, but I'm still trying to get the basics down. Placing the side-plane circle and horizontal lines at the right angles/proportions is still pretty difficult for me.

>>3565339
Construct from real people. A mirror, a photo, the neighborhood boys. It makes sense after like fifty of them. They're all at slightly different angles and that's the point.

>>3565340
Drawing on top of the picture or just with a reference to the side?

>>3565321
>Don't fuck dinosaurs.
kek, not what i meant

>>3564555
I hope this helps you in some way.

>>3565351
From real life, if possible. Makes more sense. Did you read my examples?

>>3565351
On top of if necessary the first time. The first few times are the worst, but it makes sense from there.

>>3565353
I'd personally add some width, or make length smaller

Can I get a critique on the shadows in this? I know there are mistakes in the drawing itself and that its shit but I did it quick cause I wanted to work more on my understanding of what would get a shadow and what not

>>3565451
Draw more from life.

>>3565451
Your lighting is a bit schizophrenic. It either looks like it's coming from behind her left arm, or directly to the right of the picture.

Assuming the light is coming from directly to the right of the picture:

Shadows on in front of her left ear and left arm do not make sense. Same with the crotch. Otherwise it's mostly fine I think.

Assuming it's from behind her:

Way more shadow everywhere.

>>3565376
Real life isn't possible, so I'm stuck using pictures.

>>3565377
Does this make sense?

>>3565463
You just pay them in candy and tell their dad they did honest yard work. Your paintover is completely off. The centerline is wrong and the side of the head is almost inside the eye socket. Also there's a lot more head under all that thin hair. Really, everything is wrong.

>>3565463
just buy a skull and draw it with construction

this is what an early sketch for me looks like, obviously still need to work some stuff out like the hands, but does it seem like I have the gesture fine and the overall form of her figure?

>>3564744
Yes!

>>3564755
Go back to /jp/

>>3565328
That's a legit good reaction image

>>3564786
>>3564802
>>3564821
>>3565828
I actually feel like I should apologize for the arrogance and stupidity in my post and you all should have ignored it. I'm sorry you wasted effort in replying. I really should just be happy I'm in a position where I can grind fundamentals peacefully.

>>3565925
Don't feel so bad anon, just keep drawing

>>3565925
Don't worry about it, we just want what's best for you. We all need a reality check from time to time.

>>3562524
Sorry to break it to you, but some of those girls look like guys with wigs. You haven't been fapping to traps, have you anon?

>>3562568
Thanks for the nice fap

Any tips before I start finishing?

nid new thread

bump

new thread
>>3562446

>>3567932
nope let me try again

>>3565354