/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

u like muh cat draw?

>>3558782
What was it you were trying to accomplish? A finished sketch or a study? If you were studying what were you studying? Values, drapery or cats?

The drawing overall is very messy, lacks value and I don't really get the feel of gravity for the drapery / towels hanging on the sofa, and barely can figure out where the head of the cat is.

Try to have an clear idea what you want to study and focus on while doing a drawing like this. Whether it is the value composition, feature of an object (hanging drapery, fluffiness of the cat) or just animal anatomy. This accomplished very little on those subjects.

Just started this shit, should I start with paper even if my end goal is drawing? Right now Im replacing my Mouse with a pen to make it start feeling right but the issue is that I'm very shakey when writing on a tablet.

Also, is there any stuff that helps specifically with character concept arts?

Is there a definitive test that can tell me if I can or can't make it as an artist?

>>3558861
no

>>3558861
Anyone can make it as an artist if they can commit to a goal. Art is the same as learning how to play and instrument or learning advanced maths in school. Your makeitness is entirely dependant on your ability ti push yourself towards making it.

>>3558880
>Art is the same as learning how to play and instrument

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusia

>or learning advanced maths in school

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia

>>3558883
Looking for excuses and self doubt is a bad start, just go and draw.

>>3558888
Medical facts are not excuses. Claiming everyone can succeed is just cruel.

>>3558883
You could add colorblindness to this list.

Is there an inability for being unable conceive form?

>>3558894
These maybe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructional_apraxia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoblindness

>>3558891
No, because even though some are more predisposed to certain things, does not mean you can't do something.

As a beginner should I be using vector or raster software?

>>3558912
As a beginner you should use pencil and paper.

>>3558915
I'd rather not waste all those trees

>>3558922
The trees will get wasted with or without you.

>>3558922
You know thats a legitimate thought I have sometimes.

Decided to "just draw" something without copying a model. I still had to quickly google people kneeling because the pose just looked weird to me but I like it though I'm still not sold on the legs.

>>3558900
ermergerd, this is /ic/

>>3558968
Makes sense that people with mental defects would populate a board for learning something that comes naturally to normal people.

Once I have my pencil and paper ready, do I just draw random squiggles until inspiration strikes me?

>>3558968
C4 actually did good though.

>>3558985
No you are supposed to stare at the paper till you burn a hole in it.

This didn't turn out at all how my doodles intended and I realized too late how would the head be placed from that angle, but I like the pose I created. A sideways view of the guy in 3d, I would have never thought of that on purpose

Just started drawing today. I dropped the book drawing on the right side of the Brain by Betty Edwards after seeing the drawing materials and picked keys to drawing by Bert Dodson. Am I making the right choose? Pic related after 14 pages of Keys to drawing by Bert Dodson. No experience in drawing if that makes difference.

>>3559047
*choice

i did this pretty quickly to play around with environment effects like rain and wind. i think i could go into a lot more detail but i actually really like it a lot as it. the only thing im wondering is if the rain actually looks like rain and not a bukake sperm storm

Something I made a while back. One of the first pen drawings I did

>>3559058
The rain looks like a spatter on a window.

>>3559047
It's like a really detailed version of the first week or so of an Intro to Studio Art class. There's nothing there to judge you on, it just shows you how to see, what you were doing wrong, and some general best practices for the right mindset to go into drawing with. It's the first step to not drawing like a 5 year old and the results build confidence.

The real fun comes with learning mark making, fine motor skills, being able to make consistent shapes, and sight measurement. Then you can learn some art. I'm going to go off the beaten path and suggest you skim Guptill - Sketching and Rendering in Pencil and Harry Borgman - the Illustrator's Guide to Pen and Pencil. They have some very fundamental solutions to drawing, rendering, and composition that other resources seem to lack.

I'm struggling to draw in different styles, I'll upload some more as examples

This one Im kinda proud of even though it kinda looks not right

>>3559095
Being bad is not a style.

Sorry about all the posts. My laptop broke so I can't make a collage out of them.

Last one

>>3559098
Start using blank paper, those lines will hurt your drawing even though it might not seem obvious.

>>3559099
Great advice

>>3559089
Do you suggest that I skip the books and continue with Loomis and the book Perspective made easy by Ernest Norling?

>>3559089
Do you suggest that I skip the books and continue with Loomis and the book Perspective made easy by Ernest Norling? Pic related my first drawing

>>3559089
Do you suggest that I skip the books and continue with Loomis and the book Perspective made easy by Ernest Norling? Pic related 2 pages away and before I draw the feet(my first drawing)

>>3559079
by this you mean, it doesnt look like a natural rainfall when looking at an open area?

>>3559089
Do you suggest that I skip the books and continue with Loomis and the book Perspective made easy by Ernest Norling? Pic related(my first drawing) 2 pages away and before I draw the feet

>>3558861
Yes and you failed. If you ask you're never going to make it

>>3559136
May as well finish it. I'm suggesting you take a detour before going into figure drawing and learn some basic mark making so you can go out and draw rocks and trees. If you can draw a tree, you can draw anime tiddy.

>>3559171
Thank you very much. I wanted to draw anime tiddies as fast as possible.

>>3559175
I don't know why it isn't stressed more. Having a larger set of tools to render forms with and endless live models with infinite variations is a way better way to practice construction than going straight into figure drawing without knowing anatomy. Like, there's no point in learning what the deltoid overlapping the pectoral looks like or foreshortening the quadriceps if you can't render it. Rocks and trees are like an intro to figure drawing.

>>3559189
Aren't my rocks and trees will look like shit without learning perspective first? Isn't illogical to render a tree if you don't know how to draw the shape of a tree first?

Why does /beg/ shill anatomy so much when the old masters didn't get anatomy right at all since they based everything off autopsies of animals instead of humans and used male references for female characters

>>3559230
What are you trying to say anon?

>>3559230
>implying

>>3559217
not the guy you're replying to but you inherently as a human know enough perspective to draw a rock from reference

Anyone else think we are approaching drawing completely wrong? Why would we need to lean how to draw something we already know what it looks like? In dreams everything is fully detailed, the brain is capable of it.

>>3559306
>In dreams everything is fully detailed
Our actual vision isn't even fully detailed, it's a bunch of bits and pieces spread out over time that appear to be a whole. Without looking it up, draw me a papaya and post the result. You've seen one before, right?

>>3559315
>papaya

Never seen one before. Google images looks like some kind of warped sunflower?

i did it again. report me to the mods i dont give a fuck. i still definately hate hair, still same facing, havent experimented with other colors. but i guess the face is starting to look less uncanny. decided to add more of the upper torso so that the canvas isnt a literal awkward fucking square with a dead center portrait. pretty sure i fucked up the values/lighting on the shoulders. and im trying to make the backgrounds more interesting

>>3559319
Then draw a dog, a saint bernard. Or a deer, I'm watching one take a piss right now.

>>3559322
I don't get you? I'm saying the brain can already make perfect images, so we should find a way to harness that power instead of grinding fundamentals. I'm not an expert and neither can I do it myself. I just think it needs exploring

>>3559320
are you good at drawing? though it is definitely important exploring more mediums, you should be pretty good at drawing heads before you start painting one. maybe have finishing a painting as your goal, but work toward it through getting a better understanding of the human head.

>>3559306
you actually don't see anything in dreams, well obviously, because there's nothing there. by there isn't even a simulation of vision, it's all on the conceptual level, it just seems like you're 'seeing' things because that's part of how your brain organizes conceptual information into a cohesive experience.

>>3559327
thinking up an image is the skill of the thinking up an image (youve been doing this since before you were aware you were doing it or even aware of yourself). using implements to recreate REPRESENTATIONS of objects from reality or imagination is a skill youve literally never done unless you did it deliberately. you know the 'fundamentals'? they aren't things that are intuitive and part of your everyday existence (unless you git gud and make it).

>>3559330
>>3559330
>are you good at drawing?
no. fuck i just noticed that i have to much 'side head' going from the eyes to ear.

>>3559332
Actually it has been proven that the higher brain and send fake visual information into the cortex which then gets processed as if it came from the eyes

>>3559332
Dreams activate the same areas of the brain as actual vision. You see dreams the same way you see the words on the screen. It's pulled from fuck knows where and reconstructed, but you 'see' it through the same processes.

>>3559345
nope

>>3559346
[citation needed]

>>3559103
This one is really nice, did you just copy it?

>>3559342
you should get good at drawing

>>3559355
what is the optimal drawing/painting ratio.

Do I need the latest version of photoshop to start my beginner journey or is CS2 okay?

Anyone know an easy way to remove all of one color from a Clip Studio Pant document?

I do an underdrawing in light blue, only to sometimes find out I put half my final lines on the draft layer instead of the "final lines" layer.
Fussing around with the Level Correction tool seems to just keep all the blue lines around when I'd rather get rid of them.

>>3559369
no clue, but drawing is fundamental for your paintings to look good. you should focus at least half of your time on drawing

>>3559376
I think anything you can put lines down on is good as long as it doesn't hurt your wrist.

Digital tools aren't a shortcut to learning form, perspective, etc. but if you're gonna use them in the long run it can't hurt to get your feet wet.
They do tend to encourage fiddling around with one drawing instead of finishing one and moving on to the next, though.

I don't really know the merits of vanilla PS vs the CS2 version, but I'd use something free like Krita to make sure how much you want to invest in digital tools at this stage. A tablet is physically not very intuitive compared to a pen until you're used to it.

>>3559381
the best ive been doing is 1 hour of drawing for like 5 hoirs of painting

what's the best begcore to listen to while chicken scratching?

>>3559388
imo u should increase that time. watch Feng Zhu's videos called Just Draw and 10 Beginner art mistakes or smfn they're pretty cool in terms of easy stuff to draw to boost your confidence in terms of drawing

>>3559389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvzbD5_QrII
Scratch to the rythm

>>3559391
i might have watched those a long time ago but i probably didnt bother actually applying anything. i will check them out thanks.

>>3559369
100/0 in your case.

>>3559376
All you need to get started is paper and pencil.

>>3559455
kek fuck you dude my drawing isnt that bad

>>3559306
>Why would we need to lean how to draw something we already know what it looks like?

you're making the incorrect assumption that we truly 'know' what even things we see every day look like. just because you see hands every day doesn't mean that you know the specifics of how the surfaces and volumes of the hand work together under different poses, with different body types, etc.

the brain intuitively knows that a hand is generally a squarish thing with 4 fingers and a thumb, but that intuition isn't good enough to be translated onto real-world output.

>>3559476
nah >>3559455 is right. you need a much more solid grasp of forms if you dont want your paintings to look flat.

How do I stop caring about being shit when only the NSA and other various spyware on my PC can see what I'm doing?
Having an audience is really discouraging but I know there's usually not an actual person watching.

I'm blinded with this. can anyone help me with shoulders and hands, he's holding a lighting and he's cool and stuff but slightly retarted just like me

>>3559672
Unplug your computer from the internet.

>>3558851
>something specific
Yes it's called the fundamentals
THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS

>>3559675
looks like he is missing a lot of his head

>>3559058
Looks like wavy lines on a canvas, not like rain at all

>>3559675
Use references

>>3558883
>Major disorders
If you're capable of typing and reading, you're capable of drawing.

How to I remove these pink lines from my movement tool, they are very annoying.

some studies

it is satisfying when you get the color right

>>3559792
The blue on the bird is really handsome, I advise forcing the orange so that you get the complementary effect.

Through the Shredder

i drew this for the "roll for a prompt" thread and honestly it frustrated the hell out of me. i dont know why, i'm usually pretty good at drawing hands but this time it was awful all around.
also, recently ive been drawing with a softer pencil (5B this time) and the smudging was terrible to deal with

Also for some reason Photoshop gives me this instead of the normal resize when I alt right click. Im doing it on mac if there are any fixes.

50% of the things I draw is anime from imagination, and the other 50% of my drawings is me copying/studying a picture from an anime artist that I like and that I think uses realistic/appealing proportions

All I want to do is draw cute anime characters and literally nothing else. I can't tell if I'm being clever or horribly gimping myself

Poorfag trying to get into oil painting. Looking for 3-4 colors + titanium white to start with. Can't afford cadmiums unless I go with maemeri classico or another student brand but would rather stick with artists grade for the pigment concentration. I like the colors used by artists like Kirrily Hammond. Can anyone recommend a good combo?

>>3559951
Another painting of hers that I like the colors

How do you even render skin? I can deal with doing values, but when it comes to color man i just go blue screen

>>3560121
Forgot pic as always

>>3560122
try the blending tool
the 2 rain drops connected, 4 below your current tool

drawing makes me sad but I keep wanting to try. how do I learn to give up?

>>3559951
Pale yellow, alizarin crimson, raw umber, ultramarine, tit white will get you all the colors you could ever want but it requires you learn to mix.

Drew a face to see what I should start with. What does it look like I need to work on for the face?

I made this today to clear up some mental fogginess about what I should be doing when I study. I figured the people here would like it, so I thought I"d share. I know shits misspelled probably, but I was wondering how accurate it is or if there is anything I should add or omit

>>3560195
start at the beginning

Hey guys. Currently doing drawabox daily, taking my time learning one exercise a day, practicing crappy gestures for 15 minutes from watching yoga/skateboarding videos, and going to start learning wet on wet oil painting from bob ross videos, total elapsed practice time daily is roughly 2 hours.

is this enough practice a day? I dont want to overdo it but i dont want to underdo it aswell.

Do you guys have a drawing routine?

Second question is, is there a proven successful method for producing clean looking gesture drawings? (pic related)

Do i just need to study figure drawing more and this is something that comes with practice or is there little tips and tricks i can learn?

did i fuck up with doing those pose?

>>3559378
Magic wand and then the "follow adjacent pixel" option? I forget which one is contiguous. Pretty sure you want the option off.

>>3560237
Pic related is not clean looking gesture drawings neither this time nor last time you posted the image.

>>3559058
Rain falls straight, it doesnt flagellate around like sperm cells.

>>3560183
Thanks! Let's see how it goes

>>3560249
clean as in, not messy, gestural and doesnt look like complete horse trash.

Dont be a prick, i'm trying to learn.

This is the level i am trying to achieve because its realistic to be able to draw like that within a few weeks of practice.

>>3560200
turn off the pen pressure flow/opacity and this might be legible.

>>3560121
you seem like you're on the right track. color pick over skin and you'll see there are a wild amount of hues and tones. you want to simplify that so look at what other artists do. the most important part is learning relationships and local color/color relativity. you'll learn directions of colors to move toward as you go across the planes of the body or whether they're in light/shadow.

A few different approaches or resources, try to find the artists you want to be like and study them. Even the ones you don't like, you can still take knowledge from them if you're listening with an open mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPdkEEYo3F0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALIBrFzIQ8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljFMUB5nuRM&t=1m40s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blRLQ9u42t8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCfkX-cVIG4&t=8m53
https://www.ignant.com/2015/09/23/photographer-angelica-dass-matches-skin-tones-with-pantone-colors/

>>3560262
>clean as in, not messy, gestural and doesnt look like complete horse trash.
Those look like chicken scratch horse shit
>Dont be a prick, i'm trying to learn.
lol just draw more. You've got a bad attitude.

I actually don't know what you want to do, either it's figure or gesture I assume. Look at the master work and try to copy it. Post more examples of what you think is good and it'd help along with your work so people can tell you what you're doing wrong.

I've been working on this for 54 hours already. Please crit me, I'm stuck.

Any rate on my doodle

>>3560271

>lol just draw more. You've got a bad attitude.

This ^^ is like going on /fit/ and telling someone

"lol just exercise more"

or trying to learn guitar and having your teacher tell you "lol just strum more"

If I'm spending time trying to learn something I want to be efficient, logical and effective with it, because my time is valuable to me.

If someone were to step in a gym without any prior knowledge of exercise and get told by a personal trainer to "just exercise" theyre not going to know what theyre doing.

>I actually don't know what you want to do, either it's figure or gesture I assume.

actually i was pretty clear in what I asked, i asked if anyone knew of any good gesture drawing techniques or tips, which i guess i should've elaborated on a bit, but i dont know if the approach ive learned to take with gesture is good enough.

(i.e "draw through the longest axis, determine where the shoulders and hips lay on the form, fill in the rest of the shapes" etc.)

that being said if you or anyone else could break down the steps into creating a successful gesture drawing i would be so grateful

asked if anyone else followed a "drawing routine" of sorts

and if my method of practice would be sufficient for daily improvement/practice.

(2 hours a day, 1 hour doing drawabox, 15 minutes of gestures, 45 minutes oil painting)

I can see where you're coming from with the "just draw lol" however, i tend to view my art objectively and i dont want to go through 10 drawings aimlessly to grasp a concept or understanding i could learn in 4 drawings.

>>3560288
Dude, that pose. It pretty much set you up for failure from the /beg/. You're stuck because there is no way in hell of making what you have drawn look better. Instead of pushing forward try again from the basics. I'd start with sketching a new pose that isn't so stiff and awkward. Try looking at some references.

Also your girl looks like a dude

>>3560288
recycled meme spotted
ignore holly instead of feeding her attention. anon

>>3560300
go to youtube and type in the search bar glenn vilppu gesture drawing. watch him do them and listen to exactly what he says. you have the entire internet at your disposal, not just one /ic/ thread.
also, learn what a paragraph is.

>>3560195
Headshape, nothing specific-it's just off. Also your nose looks like polygons, minimalise in a readable way. Your brushes aren't consistent and turn up the resolution.

>>3560300
I get your point but in the case of drawing there is a lot of trial and error involved, it's really unavoidable if you want to get better instead of drawing boxes all day. As for the whole gesture thing you're really just gonna have to keep trying. Look up vilppu and see how he does it.

>>3560316
In my experience if youre trying to learn something; well, 4chan is the place to go. The rest of the internet doesnt matter. I needed advice and resources and you pulled through. Thats all that I needed. Thank you.

>>3560328
Yes, I agree that drawing requires trial and error but if I familiarize myself with the best methods and approaches to drawing beforehand, I can effectively avoid mistakes I could be overlooking and not have to backtrack or retrain myself in the future.

its less of "if i do it this way, then i can avoid all of this" and more of "im gonna have to do all of this, whats the best way to do it?"

>>3560300
>This ^^ is like going on /fit/ and telling someone
>"lol just exercise more"
No, it's more like telling you to count your calories properly when you say you can't gain or lose weight. Or to get a coach if they don't know how to do an exercise.
>or trying to learn guitar and having your teacher tell you "lol just strum more"
No, same advice: practice more. Whether that mean the boring stuff like scales, chords, arpeggios with a metronome, studying theory, recording yourself playing to a song and picking apart the mistakes.

Everything boils down to fundamentals and repetition in any discipline.

>I want to be efficient, logical and effective with it, because my time is valuable to me.
I can agree with this part but
>i tend to view my art objectively and i dont want to go through 10 drawings aimlessly to grasp a concept or understanding i could learn in 4 drawings.
that's not how things work at all.

The way you wrote your request was confusing to parse but there's been countless advice for gesture that can also be summed up as "just feel the form". Take in as much teaching about gesture as you can and through the miles you'll figure out what to do. It's going to look messy most of the time, clean and gesture drawing are somewhat antithetical. Learn anatomy and gesture will follow.
Some resources
>>3554268
Huston, Hampton, and Vilppu's drawing manual for figure books. Scott Eaton, Rey Bustos, Charles Hu for anatomy videos.

>>3560345

>Everything boils down to fundamentals and repetition in any discipline.

Right, 10000% i agree, but when I'm asking for advice for the gym I COULD be told "yeah man just count your calories, learn about compound movements and isolation movements, eccentric and concentric movements etc." and then I have a base to go off of, but if I was told "just exercise more" Im lacking a substance of knowledge I can base my future research/training off of, all I needed was some resources and maybe some very generalized advice on gesture.

That being said, thank you so much for all of these resources, Ill feed my brain with these.

on a side note, my routine hasnt been addressed! does it seem like an approach of that caliber seem sufficient enough for daily practice?

pic unrelated

>>3560369
it's wrong though, all the fundamentals are fundamentals, there's advanced concepts too, in fact most of the thing is advanced.

you can't be an architect just by knowing you need a floor, walls and a roof.

getting stuck on fundamentals is an /ic/ trap.

pretending when people say 'just draw' they literally mean you should only draw and never ever learn anything ever is another /ic/ trap.

people say just draw because you should draw like 500 pages for every day you spend on theory. you can't read yourself into being an experienced draughtsman or painter.

>>3560319
It was in a group of poses so it was small from the beginning, and yea I felt I was struggling with the left side of the face.

god damn i suck. any redeeming qualities of a single sketch are thrown out the window in the next one i do. i just want to draw anime my dudes...

>>3560407
There's always someone worse. Two of these look alright just keep going.

>>3560407
Study skull anatomy

Haven't drawn in a little over a month until now and wasn't good before that anyway. Anything specific i should look into to improve my general ability? Here's a body i drew, wondering how bad my lines, anatomy, posing, etc is and what i should do to improve. It isnt my best work as i was drawing not close enough to make up for my shitty glasses in dark lighting, but id say its a good median of my worst vs best.

>>3560445

>>3560446
But what if I want an unrealistically thin anime qt.

>>3560445
Your linework reveals you are not studying anatomy just contour. Which is fine if what you’re working on is breaking symbol drawing.

>>3560458
I guess i'm just at a standstill for what i should focus on next since I've gotten good at avoiding symbol drawing. What should i move onto to actual get better at art in general? If anatomy is the next step, i feel like i'm getting an okay grasp on anatomy, but i have a picture reference i just kinda fall into contour from habit i guess. any good ways to learn anatomy faster then i currently am just by observation?

>>3560474
*if i have a...,

and also for recs id prefer anything that isnt book learning since my ADHD is strong, videos, guides, etc i guess

>>3560477
https://mega.nz/#F!8qA2FLDQ!9ADn1WRz-YcH7H9M3i11dg

>>3560482
should probably clarify that that's a link to hampton's video course based on his book Analytical Figure drawing. more helpful than the book too imo

>>3560482
orgasmic link there, looks great. thanks based anon

>>3560484
I thought the book and trying to draw everything I wanted to draw from the book a lot better. Found the same with most of the Huston NMA figure stuff compared to the book. Hampton is really bad for actual anatomy but some of the forms are helpful simplifications. Hampton is kinda bad at teaching and speaking too, he's like a one trick pony that can only do those crazy gestures.

I still recommend him for basic beginners but knowing anatomy goes a lot further to construction than a lot of his methods which are better for dynamism imo.

any good hand tutorials out there and also anyone want to share discord(s)?

>>3560500
You should have two references at hand at all times.

>>3560505
I only have one hand.

>>3560510
Cut it off so you can look at it from more angles.

>>3560526
I have no hands or gender now.

>>3560536
Unless you are flaying yourself or others for anatomy you are not an artist.

>>3560194
I was actually thinking about titanium white, mars black, cadmium red med, yellow ochre, and ultramarine blue. essentially zorn's palette with blue added. then maybe add cad yellow and quinacridone magenta/rose, and pthalo blue when I have the funds?

When do I learn to shade?
Doing the Learn to Draw by Bert Dodson, on 1c, he mentions I can shade but I have zero fucking idea how to.

Also is it possible to get good shading with just #2 pencils?
I'm willing to buy pencils I just didnt want to jump the gun and buy a bunch of supplies without using them

How far can I go without reading guides?

>>3560634
What do you mean by shading? Seeing light and shadows? or blending/cross hatching techniques?

>>3560637
I'm not entirely sure anon, all of the shadows I try to draw on my sketches look like shit.
They look way to dark and I generally don't understand the nuance of shading. My pencil also seems to not give me a the shade I need and I dont understand how to get certain shades from it

>>3560640
Do shading exercises like pic related. some charcoal pencils and paper might make it easier.

same. i'm supposed to learn shading since its needed to draw realistic but it always comes out bland and my shading is just smudging the picture. no videos teach you this

>>3560644
Thanks anon
Is this a good pencil set to buy for that?

https://www.amazon.com/Derwent-Graphic-Pencils-Metal-34202/dp/B000P6YNES/ref=sr_1_5?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1533979204&sr=1-5&keywords=derwent+24

>>3560645
thats because its mostly down to just practice after you learn the basics of lighting.

>>3560634
replied to you here >>3560653
He talks about doing ink washes which is something I want to do too when I get around to getting some brushes. I know there's water soluble graphite which can practice shading with. I think I've seen a Vilppu video where he uses it with a waterbrush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66edglKA4Ac

Some other Alphonso vids you may find useful. Took me a while to learn line work and things clicked for me more afterward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lUL-3TvzxU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyzlqbeZ0Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrdLhG55FC4

>>3560647
You don't need to get the whole value scale in pencils.

Is simplified anatomy good enough? Do I really need to learn every muscle, tendon and bone at the level of a surgeon?

>>3560670
Thanks so much anons. I really appreciate it.
>>3560673
Yeah I found a cheaper set for $6

>>3560675
it depends on your goal. but generally just proportions are good enough

These are two things I did yesterday. Critiques and insults appreciated

>>3560687
I'm no expert so take what I have to say as the opinion of a lamen. The first picture feels flat, but the second one is very dynamic and feels 3D.

>>3560702
Need more shading in certain areas you mean?
I can't see how to make it unflat by doing anything else.
I'm not the one who drew it-I'm just commenting on it.

>>3559230
not true; in the renaissance the study of anatomy began, spearheaded by artists

>>3560706
I would say the shading is a big part of it. The shading of the second drawing illustrates the contours of the body giving it more shape. While the first does not.

>>3560687

Get a wider range of values, don’t be afraid of going dark

>>3560716
people used to go to town on people here for using the term shading. you're supposed to talk about values instead, because shading is sort of a counter concept to light, like you shouldn't think about adding shadows to to things, you should think about modelling the lighting.

>>3560729
Well, that's their problem. Not mine.
There is no point in trying to punish people for simply trying to be better at something.

>>3560292
edgy doodle/10

anybody know whats the best way to learn comicbook style faces.
learning bodys right now tho

>>3558700
>>>>/ic/thread/3023643
>Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).
Anyone have the oppai and H-gal books that are used to be posted in this old thread?

Which is better for learning, this guide or the sticky?

>>3560879
Rather than any of these "you should read these books in this order" memes, I would recommend this:
1. Draw
2. Figure out what you're really bad at / what you really want to improve
3. Read a book about it
4. Repeat
This process makes you more active and motivated to read.

>>3560888
What if you are a complete beginner and are bad at everything, including stick figures?

>>3560891
In that case I would just pick one of the books often recommended to beginners like Keys to drawing or Fun with pencil, after that moving on to the process I described.

>>3560673
If you're going to draw in chocolate, you should probably do it with unsweetened dark chocolate otherwise the sugar is going to attract bugs and get sticky/gross

>>3560895
I have one more question.

These books and advice around here generally seems to be aimed at people that want to have a really realistic style.

What if a person want to have a more cartoony/comic book art, and maybe start working towards something that is in the middle of cartoony and realistic (like lets say Yoshitaka Amano or Yoji Shinkawa) - heavily stylized, but also realistic (at least more realistic than a a straight up cartoon).

What I'm trying to figure out is, a way from beginner to transition into what generally people seem to have some motivation for, like making simple but effective fan art of stuff they like (games, shows, etc.) and getting lots of practice that way, and jumping from there to more complex styles.

Any advice?

>>3560954
Just to clarify, I'm asking about the first step, getting into effective SIMPLE art, not how to transition into more complex stuff.

I see a lot of art I like around the web, and they are definitely more simplistic in all of their elements than in what I see in beginner books.

>>3560958
a lot of the time things you see as simple are usually created by someone who did more complex stuff before being able to condense it to its simplest parts, not always though. you should post an example of what simplistic means to you

>>3558696
step by step, i am learning "successful drawing" by loomis

Whats the best way to draw what I see? I don't need to learn anatomy or anything I just need to draw what I look at. A camera doesn't learn anatomy to reproduce it flawlessly. How?

>>3560968
Buy a camera.

>>3560968
With your eyes.

>>3560954
What do /beg/s mean by "realistic"?

Whats the worst part of this

>>3560979
That you posted it for attention.

>>3560980
Yes.. posting my drawing in the beginner thread for advice.. I don’t see how this is for attention

>>3560980
Who are the people that lurk in /beg/ and shit on new artists? What do you get out of this? Don't you have a job? A life? Hobbies? Anything better to do besides wait for your thread watching to indicate a new post has been made to /beg/ so that you can quickly write something nonconstructive and negative?

>>3560983
Thinning out competition.

>>3560983
There's a difference between beginner and no-effort troll.

>>3560986
If the person asks for advice, just give them advice. If the advice is "put more effort into your work before asking for criticism", then write that.

>>3560986
And just because my drawing is bad, when I’m a beginner, you’ve decided that I’m not even good enough for the beginner thread. If you’re so beyond this then why are you here to call me a troll based on the fact that I’m not good. I did put effort into this but that’s fine.

>>3560984
>competition
>on /beg/
I would place my bet on a stagnated and frustrated /beg/inner who is on the brink of quitting. Or an actual troll with nothing else to do

>>3560960
Without looking too much, this is what I would consider something done in a more simple cartoony style by someone that is very good at it.

There is no complex forms, shapes, coloring, shading, poses, muscles etc. Even the hand is really simple. Simple lines all around, the most difficult part for a beginner here would be the proportions.

>>3560990
Only teach those who can teach themselves.

How do you schedule time for drawing when there is so much anime, manga, video games, porn, etc to get through? My backlog is so large and I'm a NEET who spends all day slogging through it. How do normal people have the time to draw?

>>3560997
Half this board is underage, they don't know how to self-study or self-teach.

How is it. Im shaggy

>>3560994
yeah well you partially answered yourself if your goal is something like this then proportion is something you should study along with appeal both of those things are covered under gesture
as for like resources for that or getting into cartoony styles like that im not sure....

>>3560999
The first step is getting so ass blasted while looking for attention that you cowboy up and figure out what's wrong on your own. Worked for me.

>>3560998
stop doing all that shit and replace your escapism cope with art

>>3560979
Best part is that the proportions are almost correct (do check them again). Start improving your perspective and anatomy game asap

first time trying to paint, how should i make it look less shit

>>3561014
contrast and edge control

>>3561014
Which one is the painting?

>>3561002
>as for like resources for that or getting into cartoony styles like that im not sure....
:(

Thanks for replying.

>>3561014
Definitely use a broader range of values. As a beginner don't be afraid of making a large amount of brush strokes with different values to sculpt the form out. Also double check some measurements and there you go.

>>3561014
Cross contour.

>>3561026
Values?
Why do people say this and not explain what it is they ACTUALLY mean when they say it to people who don't know what it is?

Shading? Colour? Light? Reflections?
I think people use this word to make them appear more "artsy" rather than actually trying to help anyone.

>>3560963
I am stuck at this page.

>>3561030
Higher contrast. Black, white, two midtones. I don't think you know what it means.

>>3561030
value is the lightness and darkness of a...pigment, color, hue whatever, in grayscale the lightest value is white the darkest is black with tons of light gray to dark gray in between.
I pointed out the contrast and made the image show the truest raw values in a post above

>>3561030
I'm pretty sure he gets what I meant, probably isn't his first time browsing /ic/ and there aren't that many things that could have a "range" in grayscale painting...

>>3561033
how do i continue this ?

>>3561016
so something like this then?

>>3561033
i suggest you try scott robertson - how to draw
i think he explain perspective alot better

>>3561040
good job anon

>>3561040
Needs more values.

>>3561061
It's better but you still need to be braver with it. Also consider making a background that somewhat matches the reference, it will help you see

>>3560973
it's basically an admission that animu people don't look at all like real people

>>3560498
what do u rec, then? anatomy 4 artists book? loomis?

I give up. I can't even do loomis properly.

>>3561090
do u expect to be good at doing loomis off the bat, without even trying to applying that method of construction to drawing from a ref? and if this is a ref, have u read Keys to Drawing?

>>3561061
I think that's a lot better if your goal is not to emulate the color shifts on the teapot itself id say its a pretty good rendition of it

>>3561093
>applying that method of construction to drawing from a ref?
Hmm... No I haven't tried that yet. What's Keys to Drawing about?

>>3561098

it's a lot like drawing on the right side of the brain. u should go through the sticky in order https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn . n yeah applying loomis to refs is important

I want to draw with brush pen but the pentel pocket brush is fucking impossible to use. Yet all the people I see using it get amazing result. Anyone know a guide or something for these?

>>3561078
alright tried adding a basic background, is this alright

>>3561106
Personally can't think of any other major problems with it, pretty nice looking job

>>3561106
I think it looks kewl dewd.
The background really helped it.

>>3561100
>it's a lot like drawing on the right side of the brain
I've gone through this book, and I'm a bit better at drawing from reference so combining that with loomis makes sense. I'll try it.

How do you learn to draw forms? i feel like i suck at them

I'm starting out with Keys to Drawing and I got to the part where you have to draw a pepper
I don't have a pepper so I drew this
can you guys please tell me where I'm going wrong

>>3561134
>i don't have a pepper
You poor soul. What happend in your life that you can't afford a pepper?

>>3561136
I don't kill veggies

>>3561136
.............................
Just because he doesn't have a pepper in his house does not equal to him of not being able to "afford" a pepper.

>>3561127
let me see your forms lad

>>3561141
Maybe it does. And that shocked me. I mean there is no time limit on this excercise so he could start with it tomorrow and buy a pepper before. Like there is a reason to make it with a pepper

>>3561143
i have nothing to make a picture

Hey anons, it's been my 2nd day of trying to draw today. Here's what it looks like: (pic-related)

Honestly I just want to kms, I want to get gud but I've no idea what to do really.. usually when I actually sit down and want to draw something my mind turns into an empty state, no idea what to do, help pls ;____;

>>3561159
this looks pretty cool to me but i can't tell what its supposed to be. is it supposed to be abstract?

>>3561159
Looks good anon
Just keep drawing

>>3561166
>>3561169

Thanks guys, I dunno really, some kind of an "Ancient Evil" crap or some such, thing is, I can pull out this abstract shit from my mind easily, but God forbid trying to draw anything else, I have no idea what to do and how to even begin drawing actual stuff. ;___;

>>3561175
Here's an another attempt from yesterday, again I guess it's kinda solid but I've no idea what else to do.

>>3561175
Stop the emoji this is an imageboard a drawing image board
draw your own reaction images

>>3561145
Oh, yes.
I forgot that everybody likes peppers-therefore everybody should always have peppers in their house.
It's not about taste or that people like to eat peppers at all, it's totally about whether people can AFFORD a pepper or not.

How wrong I was to think that people should only have peppers in their house because they like to eat them, but instead whether they can afford them or not.

Silly me.

And the last one I've done recently, I traced it but at least the coloring is mine.

>>3561187
>2018
>Not having a pepper in every room of your house
>Not having a secret stash of peppers in a tresure chest burried in your garden

>>3561192
I really like your use of paper. What is it?

>>3561159
What is it that you want to draw?
Comic book characters?
Caricatures?
Buildings?
Comics?
Vehicles?
Women?

>>3561195
XD

>>3561159
>hey anons, 2nd day drawing here
>I want to kms, why am I not good?
Can you play a fugue after 2 days of piano lesson?

>>3561198
All of the above
Not him

>>3561202
>XD
faggot

>>3561198
I want to draw characters (semi-realistic to realistic), Fantasy in general, nice sceneries, maps, that kind of thing.

>>3561208
I love being a faggot.
I see that you like it too.

>>3561210
>I want to draw isekai crap

>>3561210
You will have to know anatomy and when I say anatomy, I don't mean knowing the name of every organ and bone in the body, so you will have to look into anatomy drawing for the characters.
I don't know anything about sceneries or maps but I can say that they wouldn't be as difficult to draw as the human body.

>>3558851
You should start traditionally (paper and pencil), the fact that you were even drawing with a mouse to begin with worries me.

>>3561215
What did he mean by this?
>>3561222
So basically, I just open up human body tutorials and start grinding from there?
(inb4 it was obvious)

>>3561230
I think it would be better to start off with drawing skulls first in front, side and 3/4 view.
Then draw the muscles on the face.

>>3561210
Just learn to paint in the traditional style, exaggerate some shit, gloss over some other parts, and stop before you're done. That's all it is. You have to know realism to be able to turn a couple strokes into an eye in perspective like Hugo Pratt.

Reminder to pump yourself up and psyche yourself out mentally. Tell yourself that you're the greatest and that everyone else sucks while not actually saying it to people because they will tear your shitty art apart if you do. Over extend yourself and constantly do things that are out of your comfort zone for maximum art gains. If you can't draw something correctly draw it over and over again until you can draw it correctly. Look at the art of people better than you, study what they do, and then steal it in order to improve your own skills. You have to be the best. Become the new great masters.
Also, don't forget to draw with pencil and paper. Your skills will translate to any other medium once you get good using traditional. Drawing with a mouse is self imposed torture.

>>3561279
This drawing needs more values on the European looking character.

>>3561285
It's an animation still

>>3561287
Still needs more values.
Very flat looking.

>>3561290
It's a cell shaded animation. They can only go so far.

>>3561279
thanks goku

>>3560484
imo the book is better and has more infos, what gave you this opinion about the course being superior?

>>3561290
Flat looking how?

>>3561304
BY not having enough values.

>>3561300
might b cuz i've not gotten very far, but ep 1 of the course i feel explains his method of doing gestures better cuz of being able to do them alongside him

>>3561145
>>3561187
>>3561195
>>3561208
>>3561211
kek
This is why I keep coming back

>>3561293
>cell shaded
I see what you did there

>>3561308
There are other means of suggesting form than just value.

Just want to be clear, I have no fucking clue how to create competent art. I just do this shit for fun.

>>3561192
>trace comes out that bad
maybe you really should kys yourself

>>3561346
Copy some sketches from old masters and do whatever.

Is there a way to fix the whole "looks great as a sketch, looks significantly worse and lifeless when inked"-thing, or is it just a fact of life?

>>3561380
There's an artist I've followed for years who recently went digital who has that problem. I think it's about finding the most optimal line and lineweight that does what the sketch suggested and being very light and careful with the lines inside the form.

>>3561380
Sketches are done often when you're in a freeform mood and your lines are relaxed, with an emphasis on lines assisting to make the whole rather than lines being a goal unto themselves. When you fuck up inking its because you're no longer relaxed and you are treating individual lines as goals unto themselves, rather than just the way to represent what you're drawing.

A good way to get better at inking is to only work in pen for a while. Force yourself to execute lines well from stage one, rather than relying on the next stage of the plan to clean up your failures.

>>3561388
>>3561380
I just pulled this from a random /co/ thread because it works well enough as an example without dragging out shit from my twitter feed you probably don't want to see. The variation in line weight and careful contour does what a sketch merely suggests with a cluster of helper lines. The interior lines are all broken hatching to suggest a gradient or plane.

What do you guys think?

idk

>>3561393
I want to see your work in completely different media where you can't rely on the same tricks. Do some watercolor or something with a fat brush.

>>3561090
try vilppu instead

Okay umm
Self critic
My brush strokes are lame, I try to fallo the form and I forget it after a while
My brush strokes are not subtle.
Am I even understand ping the planes?

>>3561403
VIlppu heads are a mindfuck. I like them but that shit is like "think of a skull and feel the planes of the face".

>>3561404
If you understand the planes depends on if this is from reference or not, but you surely understand the values I think. Nice studies, keep it up.

I used Skelly on some of them.

>>3561406
you got to feel that form anon

>>3561435
>>3561439
I always find construction lines interesting whenever I see them in peoples drawings, I just find them really appealing for some reason.

Tried out a new sorta style at work (i usually do realistic styled things and want to give something different a try), give me your opinions ^^

>>3561484
This style is a great exercise for my neck by turning to look at it.

>>3561408
Face feels flat and needs more construction. Eyes (especially viewer left) should be placed further right.

Does anybody have any foreshortening references? Videos, book scans, etc? I am so ass at this and I don't know how to improve. I'm trying to use Sycra's coil method video but it just keeps looking like shit. I don't know where to go from here

copied and pasted from another thread. I just want some direction

>>3561105
I have a Pocket Brush too and it's hard. You just gotta practice. You can't expect to get everything perfect

>>3561105
this guy is right >>3561590 I have one as well. Had it for close to a year now. It's all trial and error. You learn as you use it. Just have to accept that a lot of things are gonna be shit for a while. Results are well worth it though.

>>3561594
That's the nature of it. Even the pros fuck up. It is wonderful for learning pressure control with along with a digital tablet. One of the places where digital and traditional play off each other.

Learn to go slow but not slow enough to drown the paper. Learn to make ellipses or what way with your brush and hand ergonomics allow you to make them. I'm right handed and know that I can't make strokes that go up and to the left because of the tip.

>>3561134
Looks good. Keep drawing it at any angle you can.

>>3561553
thanks. i usually don't get ant feedback

>>3561408

Thing in hand is fetus. Don't ask for context

For you
From a beginner to a beginner
Thank you ic for your resources.

>>3561818
looks good

I mostly just want to draw cartoons and stuff.

I’m waiting on right side of the brain and a perspective book so I can l improve my skills anyway.

I skipped the whole pencil and paper thing, should I go back and learn that first?

>>3561864
You can practice pen/pencil and paper anywhere. You may think you don't need it but you will want to practice with it. I prefer painting digitally but sketching and drawing mostly in traditional. The drawings that come out from traditional for myself and for digital are both me but I feel more capable in trad.

>>3561864
u should at least start reading the books in digital as they ship

>>3561864
right side is a meme. check out the artbook thread and you'll find some good books on learning to draw and animating/cartoons

>>3561925
Ah damn. The sticky link recommended right side.
Thanks though

>>3560454
Lengthen the legs and torso then. The reference you posted is already very skinny.

>>3561962
Stop using the circle tool and avoid doing head angles that are too extreme.

>>3561976
>stop using the circle tool
no. why? no rules only tools
>avoid extreme angles
fucking why? the purpose of practice is to do difficult things so that you get better at them. why the fuck would i just never learn to draw extreme angles?

>>3561976
>avoid doing head angles that are too extreme.
literally why? that's how you get good

is this good

is it possible to improve without using any books, guides, or references; just my own eyes and mind?

>>3561979
>no. why? no rules only tools
Heads are not perfect spheres.
>fucking why?
Because you unable to get less extreme ones to look right.

i'm bored here a draw

What the heck is "gesture" and what books do I read to learn about it?

>>3562089
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesture_drawing

Would it be worth renting a cabin in the woods with no internet connection, television or radio to draw in?

>>3562104
Just drop your data plan at home.

>>3562104
Yes, for the reason that you have no more excuse not to draw

How do I erase to get highlights like this?
I work in pencil, but whenever I try to do something like this I end up smudging the shading (especially with darker shading).
You also don't usually have a sharp edge on an eraser, so should I just carve one?
You could draw the contour of the highlight, but then it becomes impossible to adjust it once you start shading. Are these drawings just done really large? I draw in an empty A6 book.

>>3562125
You don't fill in the highlight with dark to begin with.

>>3562125
While it is better to draw large since a lot of people tend to draw too small, the highlight wasn't covered in the first place. A kneaded eraser is helpful if you are putting in details but it's not necessary unless you're really trying to polish a drawing. Sometimes people use whiteout too.

Convince me not to buy a Huion Kamvas GT-191 V2. I've never used a screen tablet.

>>3562176
Don't buy a Huion Kamvas GT-191 V2.

>>3562180
But why tho.

>>3562176
What's the point in paying $1,000 extra for a Wacom?
That's the thing that got to me about seeing people on youtube drawing on a drawing monitor.

Hated the idea of those drawing tablets so I did myself a favour and bought the Kamvas GT-191 saving myself a thousand and not bowing down to Wacom just because I wanted a drawing monitor.

>>3562185
I'm considering that or just getting a larger Intuos. Currently only have a small Intuos which is getting a bit annoying to use... But a large Intuos is almost the same fucking price as a Kamvas.

>>3562196
Get the Kamvas.
You're going to want to get a drawing monitor later on any way, right?
Save yourself the money and just go with the Kamvas, FUCK Wacom.

>>3562101
Books, motherfucker. Books!

Is the Wacum Intuo S a good start for digital painting?

>>3562207
>Spoon feed me!

:DDD

>>3562210
I got a tablet the size of a house for the same price.

>>3562212
Bretty gud :D

>>3562210
For drawing I'd recommend just getting a medium (or an off-brand that's the same size). The small ones are a bit difficult to draw properly on (drawing from your shoulder) because of the size. But that's my only gripe with it.

>>3562226
I don't use hot keys for much, but only having 4 is a ripoff and they're always in a really shitty location.

>>3562233
I never use the express keys or the buttons on the mouse. I use the keyboard for everything besides pointing. So it wasn't a problem for me at all.

>>3562236
Zoom, Rotate and Flip are amazing to have mapped to a single button.

>>3561582
It depends on the field of view and distance from the "camera". If you know how to find the midpoint of a box in perspective, you can figure out landmarks, or just eyeball them.

Thoughts on my values? Took me 6 hours but I believe I can make it now, cleanest drawing I've done. No sketchy lines I used the elbow and shoulder to not interrupt them as ofteb and it was fun, I could even trace my own lines to make them thicker at times.

>>3562104
imo if you don't have discipline it will not work anyway, so improve your discipline is a better solution


also this sounds like a plot of a bad terror movie

>>3562212
fug :D

Trying to get the hang of some construction technique.

>>3562213
And what would that be?

>>3560237
NOTE: I ain't a very good artist.
I'm too impatient to go through the long string of replies but uh, what you're doing isn't gesture. You're doing contour. I won't tell you specifically how to do gesture since not everybody does it exactly the same and trying to mimic someone would defeat the point of it really. You want to do what feels like the MOTION of the limbs. Don't worry about the shape or proportions, that's not why you do gesture. Just focus on conveying the pose and motion of the body in as few lines as possible. Just look up "gesture drawings" and go through a fuck tonne. A lot of them have a bit of contour but you'll notice a lot of curvy arms and legs; It's not about the shape nearly as much as the motion.

ALso, stop doing chicken scratch. You can call it "your style" of drawing lines but it almost always looks like shit, clutters the page and makes the image harder to work with overall even if it's a sketch.

>>3560240
Depends on what your end goal is in doing this

fuck man every time i try tto get back into drawing i forget everything. and everything comes out looking like shit. how do i persist with this. i awlways reach a state where i get frustratedwith myself

>>3560687
Remember that contrast draws the eye's attention. In the first image the thing I jump to is your dragon bro's right (his left) arm there because it has a bold outline paired with a light value. Maybe that's where you want us to look, but keep it in mind.

>>3562383
You can't forget what you didden't know to begin with.

>>3560821
Study comic books you like. There ain't any better way to learn a style than to study and practice it.

>>3561033
Holy fuck this is too much for my brainlet mind to wrap around. Just look at scott robertson's book, he explains perspective extremely well imo.

>>3562446 new thread has been created!

>>3561992
Stop giving "advice" you fucking idiot.

>>3560687
the first image doesn't feel dynamic and i think an cool way to fix that would be to make the tail go at the viewer

>>3562377
>that pic
I will now proceed to hit myself with a metal brush and go "EYYISH!!!".

>>3559327
Even if we accept the flawed notion that the brain can visualize objects with perfect accuracy, in no scenario would 'harnessing' that ability result in a discipline even close to drawing. The essence of drawing is to perfect the ability of imperfect tools (ie hands, pencils) to translate one's mental image into a physical one.

When a beginner artist draws a puppy, chances are that the image he had in his head of a puppy when he began will look different to the one he puts on the page. Since the muscles in his hand are untrained to properly finesse his tools (ie he lacks fundamentals), which themselves come with many limitations, the image of the puppy becomes garbled on its way from his brain to the paper. Drawing is innately a challenge in this way; again, imperfect tools striving for a perfect result.

But when a master artist sets out to do the same thing, he will be able to render his internal image of a puppy much more faithfully. Why? Because he successfully narrowed the gap between his vision and his ability to translate said vision to reality. How? Because he mastered the fundamentals of the tools of his discipline.

If our goal is to render images with 100% fidelity like automatons, well cameras already exist. But there's a reason why a painting will always be worth more than a photograph, and it's down to the challenge that painting presents compared to other mediums.

tl;dr even if there was a device or a method to turn ourselves into human printers, it wouldn't be drawing at all, since it would inherently ignore the point of the discipline of drawing in the first place.

>>3561106
At this stage it passes the squint test and looks like a b&w photo of a tea kettle. Still needs work to get to marcello barenghi tier, but I think you can see now the need for almost exaggerated shadows and hightlights; your first version was extremely flat since it lacked those elements.

Any value experts or average joes help me out in pointing out the flaws in my value study of a ball? (I used a 2b pencil, ran out of charcoal pencils;;;)