/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3556438

Eugene Lushpin is the original artist and he's 52 years old or so. It's what in comics is known as a "swipe". It's lying by omission. I too saw the sketch by Atey first and I was really disappointed seeing the original. Lost a lot of respect for him after that and I'm always suspicious of his "just a quick sketch" works now

>>3556438
The real crime is how shit the right version looks compared to the left

>>3556438
Can you post any proofs that Eugene Lushpin draw this without using photo reference? Or maybe he copyrighted all views from rooftops, specific perspective angles and color palette?

>>3556488
>maybe he copyrighted all views from rooftops, specific perspective angles and color palette

It's obviously based on the original painting. He should absolutely have given credit - by neglecting to do so it appears he was trying to get away with it and pass the sketch off as being something completely original.

>>3556497
>He should absolutely have given credit
Because some jelly /ic/ degenerate said so?

>>3556497
That's fucking stupid.

>>3556522
I know youre not this retarded and youre just trolling, you cant be this retarded, I refuse to believe it

>>3556546
>hurr durr durrr

>>3556438
This is where people misunderstand the 'great artists steal' quote. The work of being an artist is covering your tracks, and failure to do so makes you a bad thief.

>>3556541

Not an argument. What's your argument for blatant stealing?

>>3556570
>blatant stealing
Where? What did he steal? Photocopy of night Paris?

>>3556585

If you don't see how it is clearly derivative then you're simply too incompetent to be qualified for the discussion.

>>3556603
If you think this what stealing means, than you're too incompetent to be qualified for the discussion.

>>3556611

>no u

Yep, it's stealing and it makes his work less for it.

>>3556438
OP and others criticizing the original artist for stealing without crediting, could you tell us how you go about it as professional artists ? I'm just a hobbyist so I'm curious, I don't know exactly what the right pic is (just a personal sketch, work sketch, commission ?) but it seems silly to me to have to crediting every reference you use if it's vague enough. I guess he did recycle the composition but there's an infinite amount of compositions that work anyway...

>>3556623
They don't cares because it's not stealing. See
>>3556558
>>3556522
>>3556488
There is book "Italian Pictures of the Renaissance". It's about all those """"stealing"""" cases.

>>3556643
Just let's go deeper in this credit bullshit. Repin tended to use sketches of random no name people in his finished commercial paintings. But they didn't knew that. Isn't this is unfair? He used their faces without any credits.

>>3556623

It's not silly, it's common courtesy and respect towards a fellow artist, aswell as presenting your work in a honest way. Ilya got himself into a massive scandal for doing the same thing repeteadly. If you make a piece that is clearly inspired by a painting by someone else then you simply state that. Include credit where credit is due. Don't try to pass it off as your own original idea.

>>3556655
>Ilya got himself into a massive scandal
>massive scandal
You're delusional.

^to the people above saying "its been done before" So if one man kills another, it's ethically alright to go and do the same? Same logic -- if a famous artist steals a work for himself, it's alright for future generations to abide to the same practice?

>>3556676
not that anon, but he clearly did. 80% of his supporter only think about how much money he is making, and have no clue about his blatant theft. Many of those normiefags would turn their backs on such actions if they knew.

>>3556655
Except Ilya copied shit 1:1 with making minor stylistic changes. There is not a single rooftop or building painted the same in the right version compared to the left..

>>3556438
>similar subject
>stealing

Come on. If you look at it you see that those are different streets, the houses have different facades and the horizon has not even the same background. He didn't steal anything.

>>3557161
Ic spending more time agonizing over marginally similar paintings instead of drawing

>>3556621
>Make artwork that features a pretty common subject
>wait until someone else portrays a similar subject

WHY YOU STEALING. TOTALLY DERIVATIVE . REEEEEEEE

ic doesn't improve bc can't see composition is an element of a painting that can be stolen baka

>>3556438
ITT people that dont know what cryptomnesia is.

>>3556438
>Atey
has atey done this before

>>3556438
Wow how fucking dare he? I will never ref anything ever again from now on too!
Fuck off and go back to drawing instead of shitting on other people.

>>3556643
>Italian Pictures of the Renaissance
These the Berenson books?

>>3556488
Book?

>>3556497
>by neglecting to do so it appears he was trying to get away with it and pass the sketch off as being something completely original.

Find me a 'completely original' piece of art made in the last like 500 years and I'll eat my fucking shoe. Virtually all art is inspired by other things, the OP is well within the realm of acceptability.

>>3557285
>cryptomnesia
I didn't know that word, but yes, it's like hearing a few chords and then writing your hit song, forgetting where they first came from.
See George Harrison, My Sweet Lord.
Or outright thieving, if you will.

>>3557566
Just got through reading about Spanish art 1500-1700, everyone cribed their pictures from everyone else, I wonder if that was seen as 'normal' then.
Whole careers built around copies of genre scenes such as Caravaggio had painted, ie. Chardsharps, fortune teller.. seemed to be accepted then.
Seems to be a modern thing, to come up with a unique way of painting unlike anyone else's, and couple it with a unique output. How the fuck are we meant to do that?

>>3557120
>Ilya got himself into a massive scandal
>but he clearly did
>80% of his supporter only think about how much money he is making
>normiefags would turn their backs on such actions if they knew.
This is some high tier delusions of /r9k/tard.
Not only he moved to Japan after this but his popularity reached transcendence across social media. Massive scandal on reddit and /ic/ my sides.

>mfw reading posts in this thread.
>mfw i make 3k a month doing pretty much this.

The perspective and composition is too abvious but I pretty much do this with my oil paintings and change from the original as much as i can. Gone are the days of staring at a blank screen waiting to be inspired.

>Start from 2 or 3 paintings/ photographs.
>Add and subtract a few elements, >coverup my tracks.

I am done with "muh artistic purity" that has held me back for years.

>>3559275
What are your works, digital?

>>3559511
oh, ignore me. I see you said oil paintings.
I'm trying to find a way to make art profitable, instead of just trying to be 'true to myself', whatever that means.

>>3559522
I mean,if you can sleep at night ,s-sure mr.Robot