/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

rip OP

>>3554617

>>3554617
not bad i think you made it anon. you can go to draw threads now

>>3554621
no way dude

hows this?

>>3554583
reposting this here since /beg/ wasn't up yesterday. These are my first real try at figure drawing, can anyone crit or redline the anatomy? It just feels off to me and the limbs don't seem to sit in the figure well. If you need it higher res just tell me, I didn't want to flood the thread

>>3554637
refs (or see Croquis Cafe Brynna)

>>3554637
bargue and applying keys will sort you right out

>>3554636
the man in this case would probably be in more agony than the pixie

Im thinking of easing myself back into using social media/blogs to motivate myself to being more consistent with art. I was going to build up some posts and then seriously tag posts and stuff when I get back into the groove of things. Are there any sites that promote or feature your posts without you having to do so?

>>3554645

>>3554644
By keys you mean Keys to Drawing? I've done a Bargue plate before and it's boring as shit. If it is what it takes I guess I'll do it but I'd rather drink cyanide

Can someone give me a critique on this? Don't mind the background, I did it in less than a minute just to fill the pic

>>3554674
Really nice anon, the forehead feels big to me but I think it's just the bang. I think the hair could have been worked on more. The rest looks good

>>3554636
>>3554674
I'm starting to think you can over construct figures making them look oddly mechanical.

What's the goal for people who want to be "professional"? Is everyone just living off commission tips? It would be cool for this to go from a dedicated hobby to a job but id rather not eat cups of noodles for the rest of my life so i feel more compelled to get an "actual job".

>>3554692
cup noodles are great, especially when you have nothing to compare it to

>>3554692
It's one thing to think that most people are NGMI, but to actually believe that the "starving artist" myth applies to professionals is retarded.

>>3554696

>>3554682
Thanks a lot, I'm pretty shit with hair so I guess that'll come with practice
>>3554689
we're two different artists. This said, how'd you fix that? I try using gesture and all, but it seems not to be doing much

>>3554697

>>3554697
>>3554701
Thanks, guess i have a lot to think about. i have always worried about going into art when i could just go into mechanical engineering or something safe that i know will have decent pay.

God I'm bored.

>sketching a cute anime from imagination
>draw out details in the face and upper body
>get bored, draw erect penis in front of face
>...
>erase mouth, redraw open
>erase one arm, move it up
>draw fingers/knuckles around benis

>>3554730
god you are disgusting kys

>>3554730
Seek Christ

>>3554730
usually ppl draw really good stuff when they're bored, your drawing sucks tho

>>3554636
Not anatomically viable.
Also the fairy's arms are really tiny.

Can I leave /beg/ yet?

>>3554939
go for it

>>3554939
No one is keeping you here.

>>3554939
Reminds me of Blade Runner. I wanna see a similar piece with good old Ford now.

>>3554939
yeah. the face is a little out of perspective on the far side but other than that this is way beyond /beg/ tier

my face. my stroke economy is fucked and i draw too small. each of these heads aren't much bigger than a quarter.

>>3554950
Will do
>>3554962
I’ve just been posting in these threads for a while and wasn’t sure where I was at skill wise
>>3554980
Yeah I really dig the Blade Runner look, that kinda neon lighting with the grungy noir aesthetic.
>>3555003
Thanks. I see what you mean about the perspective now, definitely something to work on.

>>3554939
Saved. I think you could have made more interesting colour choices but the mood and light are excellent.

>>3555063
Lazy one legged profile pose.

>>3554583
I am drawing Ushi.

>>3555103
idk how her left forearm is doing that, but overall i enjoy it

>>3554583
so I joined a figure course the instructor made me draw a bunch of fairly detail skeleton
I just wonder is it really necessary to learn that part

>>3554730
Kill yourself.

>>3555167
It's extremely valuable when you start attaching muscles and rendering ribs.

Newest to oldest from left to right
Critique welcome .

>>3555215
Measure or something.

>>3554617
Practice with charcoals or something darker. Try to capture the full values of the photo.
>>3554636
Her hands, feet and head are too small.
>>3554637
Loosen up, they look too stiff. Also, try to have confident lines.
>>3554674
Composition is boring. Place more focus on her, or place her more to the left.
>>3555215
make a quick loomis head before sketching.

>>3555233

>>3555233
Ear too low, it should start alligned with the eye and end alligned with the base of the nose

>>3555237
why am i such a fucking retard that i can't even see it being off until you pointed it out? fuck

>>3555232
hey yeah good point about the charcoals, thanks anon

>>3555243
it's ok. it becomes more natural the more you practice. feeling like a dummy is one of the best ways to get that into your head.

>>3555243
Lmao this kind of things happen to me all the time. It is easier to see when it isn't your own drawing. Try checking in the mirror if you are alone or ask someone like you did here. Eventually we will develop our ability to see proportion right

in feng zhu's video he recommends drawing rock formations to get comfortable with stuff because he says it's easy to draw.


it just makes be even more critical of my work tho because, as he says, this is easy, but i'm really struggling. i've been drawing for a good bit now and drawing stuff from reference is usually doable, but drawing rocks is super hard for me compared to something like a face because it's so hard making the texture look nice. how do i improve at this? i've been drawing rocks but they look ugly and don't capture the essence at all!

what do i do what do i do

>>3555353

>>3555167
Detailing the skeleton is less important but the overall form and composition of it is invaluable considering the bones define the forms that the muscles/fleshy bits of the human body wrap around.
Just do it.

I usually draw in pen but decided to use a pencil again. How does this look? I really like how it turned out.

From the beginning of time I've sketched weird shit in my school notebooks, but now I want to put in a serious and concerted effort. My main goals are 1) biomechanical, gigeresque nightmares, 2) cool and impossible landscapes/architecture, and 3) anime tiddies.

Bought a Wacom and downloaded Krita but didn't want to wait, so here's a sketch I made on a really old and shitty mousepad. Critiques? I know the shading is rushed, but this is literally my first time using any art program so idk what proper protocol is for shading

>>3555243
Set up the overall vague shape first and mark the placement of landmarks before comitting to linework or even shading.

>>3554651
>Bargue plate
Where can one find these?

>>3554583
Trying the Loomis guy but I'm a lazy piece of shit.
Poop out only one page of practice sketches every 2 weeks.

>>3555643
Just these 2 pages have taken a month and I dont know how to motivate myself to move any faster with it.

>>3555643
>>3555645
You need to find someone else that will motivate you more. Paying for a course (Schoolism, New Masters Academy, Drawing with Force, Proko, etc.) tends to get people motivated because there is money on the line. Stick with free shit, and you'll treat it like free shit.

>>3555103
Can you link the original reference image?

Anyone got any low level shape and form tutorials?

>>3554583
hi,
i am currently reading andrew loomis`"successful drawing".
he writes that you need a big drawing board (whatever that means), dividers, a t-square, a triangle.
Do I HAVE to buy all that stuff in order to work with this book?
Any alternatives?
Or suggestions what to buy?
I would like to not buy something, I hope all that stuff isn`t necessarily needed.

>>3555687
I found this pretty useful for me, hope it does for you too
https://mega.nz/#!mKxUkYgS!acbuE360OJ9UIG7UM8oNOWu4aH1Ci5EZz7j89Drpe0g

>>3555693
afaik it's meant to be used for perspective since you need those tools to know where the vanishing point lies beyond the horizon. Personally I don't have those tools yet I can draw just fine. That being said I only draw traditionally when going out for sketch and I do my other works digitally so I don't use these tools, since there are assistant tools in various painting software.

ayyyy you guys are back!

>>3555468
it turned out well yo!

>>3555645
maybe dont try as hard on your studes and then you'll do more? These are almost done drawings in my opinion. My studies are usually unfinished. but maube im just sloopy

>>3555699
i have only a triangle.
I hope I can still construct ellipses and cylinders and similar stuff with it?
I don't have a t-square.
The alternative would be digital perspective studies.
I have a drawings tablet and some programs

>>3555699
additional question:
what do i do if the vanishing Points don't fit on the piece of paper?

>>3555468
Her head is too big.

>>3555708
work on a larger piece of paper under it. make the paper youre drawing on stay still. use pencil for the drawing definitely

>>3555065
thats a cool way to draw i dig it. like with slashes on the far left face

>>3554730
kemoshota is based and redpilled

Not sure what I wanted to go for.

>>3555740
The arms don't look like they're attached to the cat.

>>3555727
Thanks speckposter. *Rubs forehead against your forehead*

>>3555744
Should I maybe just give him a messy fur look around the arms as if he was wearing a shirt with the sleeves torn off? Or does the problem go deeper than a simple fix?

>>3555783
The pectoralis muscles are usually attached to the arms but there's no transition from furred portion to naked skin in your pic.

>>3555233
>>3555235
The problem is that the whole drawing looks too flat. This is due to the darkest values being too dark and the hair not having enough volume.

How the literal fuck do I draw armpits, or how upper arms connect to the torso, what the lats are doing in the back, etc.

It feels like a ton of artists gloss over this aspect of anatomy or maybe im just retarded

>>3555865
>those thick ass lines
https://youtu.be/LrHfrncvODQ

>>3555873
What is the "shoulder girdle"?

>>3555873
Look at all kinds of references, compare them with anatomical charts and study them (Anatomy for Sculptors is pretty good). Then try to recreate that area from imagination and from different angles. Over and over, until you get it.

The armpit is basically the area cupped by the lats and pecs. Pecs come from the front and insert between biceps and deltoid, lats (and teres major) come from the back and insert between biceps and triceps.

>>3555889
what about when a figure doesn't have pronounced pectoral muscles though

>>3555891
The joy of anatomy study is making the invisible, visible.

Still learning how to draw what I see, though glass is hard to draw, so I should try to pick some easier objects. Tried to measure and the proportions are a little better than the glass bottle I posted last week. Ignore the shit on the right, lost my concentration and just decided to drop it.

>>3554637
>every steps gets worst
JUST
I tried again, this time did it slower (about 1 hour). I don't know what happened to shading, I guess I have no idea what I am doing. The structure looks better I guess. I have included all steps of the drawing for better crit. Help me find out what went wrong and recommend me something to improve my shading understanding

>>3555932
when you look at the thumbnail the bottle looks like glass desu, but when you make it full size it doesn't work lol. I have no tips on glass it's hard as fuck to draw, I suck at it too

>>3555940
so your first step was wrong to begin with, you should've made sure you were good then before continuing forwards - just for some examples, your legs are too short, the slope on the right shoulder isn't the same angle, waist is a bit too wide, boobie tucks up and in not just up. For your shading, try follow the shape, not simply darken by moving your pencil up and down. Follow around the shape.
But man keep it up! & remember to constantly make sure you're drawing what is shown, and not getting halfway through a line and finishing it based on what you think.

>>3555964
desu I see all these flaw now when placing both the ref and the drawing side by side like this, but when I am actually drawing I don't seem to see properly. I guess it is something that is learned with experience

>>3555960
I can tell it's a french press so you're not entirely ngmi.

>>3555970
>experience
And Bargue plates. Fuck, they suck but you come out being able to do more with a plumb Bob and a pencil than you have any right to. It's mostly experience.

>>3555468
>>3555714
the whole picture is just the head; the hand just has fingers that are directly attached to the forearm with no palm (unless that's her hand next to her collar?)

her eyes are too big and the value is too consistent; there's heavy value on the eyes which makes it look kinda flat; there's a lot of potential here though, i recommend master studies

>>3555940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N87QWwQnml8

also do lots of gestures/read hampton
see:
>>3554268

If I don't feel like drawing is it better to just draw anything even just scribbling random nonsense, or should I put the pencil down and take a rest?

>>3556021
Take a test.

>>3555960
Heh, it really does, doesn't it? Didn't even see that, though I think a lot of my issues comes from me using a mechanical pencil rather than a wooden one.

Nice shading tho, from my ngmi eye.

>>3556043
Yup try using a softer pencil (4-6B) and search how to properly sharpen it. I like them softer because you can smudge

I downloaded a bunch of art programs and bought a tablet but my drawings haven't improved and neither has my motivation. What gives?

>>3556087
Cool, I think I have some of those laying around. Thanks anon

>>3555672
I hear ya dude I just dont have the cash to do so but I definitely need to have a stronger conviction set in place for sure.

>>3556102
You're not drawing enough, so you're not improving and because of visible lack of improvement you brain is telling you this thing you thought you wanted aren't working out for you and you should stop. *OR* maybe you don't actually like drawing you just like the idea of being good at drawing.

>>3555701
2 are complete they are teaching pieces the 3rd I've only sketched the ground work which only took me 15 mins but then I got tired and passed out then just stare at it while I do other shit day after day.

>>3556120
>don't actually like drawing you just like the idea of being good at drawing

Well, obviously. Does ANYONE actually like grinding away producing shitty drawings just for the act of putting pencil to paper? Of course not. Everyone wants to be good at drawing.

>>3556124
i like grinding

>>3556124
I like grinding

>>3556124
Not with that mindset.

>>3556124
wait, your first post wasn't just a joke post?
or are you still trying to bait?

>>3556146
>damage control

lol I'm so shit

>>3556166
lol ye and lazy.

>>3556166
lmao hair isnt blue you fucking idiot

>>3556191
Relax anon

Is it more important to learn the fundamentals or have fun? I don't think I can do both.

>>3556197
Depends on what you consider "fun"? What does "fun" look like?

>>3556197
honestly people in this thread tell you to read a mountain of shit before you actually draw.
fuck them and just draw.
whether it's just copying another work or whatever the practice will help your muscle memory and ability to handle a pencil immensely

>>3556207
no you read and draw simultaneously, that's a part of what studying is. you'll improve by shooting in the dark but not quickly

>>3555645
just jump to the head construction if this is boring you. it isn't really necessary you do the weird circle head dudes.

>>3555642
https://archive.org/details/C.BargueDrawingCourse

>>3556170
how do I cure my laziness? i always feel like rushing halfway through

>>3556236
patience will come with time. eventually you get sucked into the small details, and when you have confidence in what you're doing you're not about rushing towards the end just for it to be over.
just make sure to draw and continue improving, the rest'll come

Started doing exercises from keys to drawing.
Please excuse the shitty phone pic.

hey,
i found out that i am too retarded to understand "successful drawing" from loomis.
The perspective stuff is very very interesting.

I really feel an urge to understand every single technique displayed in this book, but it is too difficult.
Do video tutorials for this stuff exist?
I couldn't find any, to be honest.
Is there an easier book?
Maybe that ernest nolting guy or scott robertson?

>>3555645
I didnt really understand how that was supposed to teach me anything but i did the circles and instead of copying the authors drawing i made my own character from the circle

>>3556268
>ernest nolting guy
Yes! Perspective made easy sounds like just what you're looking for.

>>3556268
these are fundamentals, i'd be surprised if someone hasnt done an in-depth, good tutorial for all of it.

>>3556197
fundamentals at first. It's not going to be fun if you're constantly getting frustrated at your own garbage drawings and if you don't want to draw garbage, then you have to understand drawing fundamentals. It gets really rewarding once you've got everything hammered down, trust me.

>>3556282
these are very basic fundamentals; they're meant to teach you how to draw in a 3d space; it looks like you're starting to move towards that, but still cant quite perceive how features change at different angles; using your own style may have defeated the point here, since your style focuses around the character looking flat and working in a 2d space

>>3556266
keys to drawing is a gay fucking book in my opinion. the only thing really worth understanding if I recall correctly is negative space. Otherwise there is plenty of other media out there that you can use as a beginner that's both more interesting to read and way more practical.

>>3556283
i am kind of greedy to understand the techniques shown in loomis' book:
any trick on how to understand this one for example??

>>3556285
Maybe i just didn't looked hard enough for it, but i couldn't find any good perspective youtube tutorials; most of them only talk about what one, two, three point perspective are.

that is pretty sad, considering how much more there is to teach.

There's just something not clicking with me when it comes to Loomis' head construction and all of my heads turn out shitty. What the heck am I doing wrong?

>>3556300
check out scott robertson's how to draw book, im pretty sure you can get a pdf for free pretty easily. the first chunk of the book is an in-depth tutorial on perspective

>>3556291
Well are there any other exercises i can do to practice drawing in a 3d space?

>>3556300
The Drawing Database on youtube has some pretty good perspective tutorials.

>>3556306
does it contain everything i Need to know, so the "successfull drawing" becomes unnecessary to read??

>>3556304
Try reading the book.

>>3556304
you arent thinking of forms enoug, they look flat as heck. Focus less on copying his method, just think in terms of 3D forms. I use cubes instead of circles because it's easier to draw straight lines, they point is to get the perspective right, then it's just details

Why the fuck is it so hard to just draw the thing I'm looking at. RRRREEEEEEEEEE.

What's the best way to study Scott Robertson's How to Draw? I dont know anything about perspective or construction (art in general really) and just want to draw robots and such, not interested in humans.

>>3556315
Thanks, anon. I really struggle with forms. Do you have any suggestions on how to study form? Books, etc.

>>3556318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVZkG4v5wLQ

>>3556308
i personally dont really like loomis, so drawabox i guess; you seem pretty hard-set on keeping your style+characters though, so why even bother trying to improve?

>>3556311
well you dont have to read it if you dont want to, but if it's perspective you're most interested in, a more perspective-oriented artist like scott robertson would probably suit your needs better for now (though robertson is more complicated than loomis)

>more text replies than image replies

wtf is going on here

>>3556335
Everyone is too embarrassed to post their /beg/-tier shit drawings.

>>3556193
did this drawing give you an erection and/or tingling sensation y/n

>>3556336
Im one of them

>>3556324
So i can make my style+characters look better

>>3556304
check out vilppu drawing manual to get a better grasp of forms

>>3556336
pretty sure there's like 6 people here

>>3556348
literally the best way to go about that is to do the full fundies detour and then come back to your style+characters in a few years

trying to get better at understanding colors/rendering and painting more efficiently.

>>3556124
i kinda like drawing/painting cus its one of the few times my brain feels at ease and i don't have a 100 thoughts racing through my head

>>3556336
i posted mine but no one said anything

>>3556351
>years

>>3556358
It is beyond saving.

>>3556362
i didn't say it wasn't

>>3556360
months if you're feeling cocky

>>3556336
I posted mine
got no replies

I'm a complete /beg/
should I trust the sticky or do you guys have better advice?

It's really weird. A lot of people come here and want to begin drawing. But they can't do shit. You would think that someone who wants to draw would have at least started to draw some-thing, right? That interest would have let to some preferences in style and some drawings. Put some people here behave as if they never held a pencil.

>>3556401
Wow, so /beg/, such talent, many lines, much drawing, very doge.

>>3556418
Self-teaching is hard. Most posters here are very young. They're not used to self-study. They want to be told exactly what to do and how to do it.

Don't blame them, blame the retarded public education system that encourages this mental helplessness.

>>3556428
wow thanks

>>3556433
I can confirm this, im a youngfag and pretty much need to be told like the exact thing to do or im pretty fucking clueless. I could also just be retarded who knows.

>>3556401
trust the sticky, dude
mostly everyone will give you opinionated options of the same variety that the one-stop beginner sticky gives you anyways.
read the sticky, check out the resources for yourself, and find what works for >you<

>>3555215
Try dividing the face into thirds. Watch that 3 hour Huston Draw Heads video on youtube.

>>3556462
You're not retarded. You simply don't have the confidence to attempt self-study. And who can blame you? Secondly, you're young so you have all the time in the world to develop artistic skills. Nothing in the sticky is going to hurt you. Loomis won't hurt you. Perspective made easy won't hurt you. Proko youtube videos won't hurt you.

>>3556462
There are infinite resources in the artbook thread. If you can't read some books, most of which are carefully curated and really good, and get enough mileage on your own though looking at actual art all the goddamn time, you're never going to make it. Looking at art should be enough to figure it out, it wasn't for me so it took the libaray to get started. Past that, I don't think anyone stands a chance, you can be taught eventually but it's not like retards have anything to say in art.

>>3555701
>it turned out well yo!
Thanks.

>>3555714
>>3555996
Thanks for the critique. This was the ref image I think her hands were posed weirdly. There was some palm in there that I messed up though.

what's that artist's name of that anaglyph-post processing technique too many people use, again?

>>3556574
Stop fapping to bitches with enough body dysmorphia to edit their photos.

How do you draw smooth lines with a tablet? Everytime I try, you can see a little tremble in the lines. Is it just a matter of practice? Or am I doing something wrong?

>>3556583
If it shakes with fast lines, your tablet is shit, your resolution and brush size isn't big enough, or your computer can't handle it. Or like 4 other things.

>>3556583
enable stabilizer

>>3556584
The most important of which is using a 6 inch tablet on a 30 inch monitor.

>>3556580
lol I will try anon. I do like the description for her though it is, "Kawaii pastel goth grunge hipster girl"

>>3556266
The exercise after this was triggering me. How can one draw with one eye shut closed? That was so uncomfortable that I couldn't concentrate properly.

>>3556599
It weeds out autism.

Last thing I made

>>3556584
>>3556587
Thank you!

>>3556589
Tablet and monitor are almost the same size, I'm using a laptop.

>>3556602
rude

>>3556589
I have a 7" tablet and a 22" monitor, can i blame my tools?

>>3556567
You pretty much hit it right on the nose there, I should probably fuck around more with the resources more since I have so much time on my hands. Don't really have anything to lose.

>>3556629
I haven't worked on less than 8x10 in years, couldn't tell you.

>>3556634
there's a ton of resources just thrown at you as a beginner. because there's a lot for you to learn. but you don't necessarily have to look at art books first. you can do whatever you want.

you can look at art you like and would like to be able to draw on your own some day. many if not most artists start off shamelessly tracing and copying art they admire. you can trace and attempt to copy art you like. there's no shame in it. try to replicate whatever it is you trace and copy, a character, an object, etc., from a different angle. try to understand what the forms and shapes that compose this character/object are doing in 3d space as the observer moves to a different angle.

you should have an innate understanding of perspective. it's not absolutely critical to know it for relatively close up drawings, such as portraits or profiles of people, animals, etc. as an absolute beginner you should mostly just draw what you like to get into the groove of drawing. get a sense of basic anatomical proportions. get a sense for basic perspective. both of which are already innate in you as a human. you just need to tap into the things your brain already knows on a subconscious level.

>>3556642
This all sums up to "just draw" pretty much, right?

>>3556670
no, it doesn't

>>3556670
May as well.

>>3556670
>>3556687
I will reiterate myself. If you want to draw like a 10 year old devintart user, then just draw. Just blindly, wildly draw whatever the hell you feel like drawing without rhyme or reason. If that's your goal, then so be it. Go away, there's nothing for you here, because you don't intend to study anything.

If your goal is to actually develop some useful skills that will help you portray realistic or stylized, consistent levels of quality, then you need a strategy. Do you understand? You can go into a gym and haphazardly toss weights around and gain some muscle mass. But it'll be suboptimal. You're muscles won't be balanced. You'll have swole biceps and pretzel stick legs and no traps. Do you understand?

Am I coming through?

>>3556728

>>3556722
theres obviously basics you need to build upon but telling people to read an entire book series or get out is a bit much

>>3556732
you dont have to read the entire book series AND THEN draw, you'll start improving from following/acting on advice from page 1 onwards

I just did something pants-on-head retarded and I want to share my anecdote with you all.
>19 Always told that I had a mind for art but did fuck all until I graduated and starting drawing on my own time
>make some shitty sketches and I decide to put some money towards my endeavour
>get pencils made specifically drawing
>feels smooth man
>gorgeous contours
>try to use a disposable pen
>it's shit
>need fancy pens
>dig through an old box
>find a black pen and a purple one, perfect for my current drawing
>test on scrap paper
>they seem good and it seems that I can even do varying shades with the purple pen
>black pen does its job. A few jagged lines, but those were my fault
>purple pen is not cooperating
>colour isn't dispensing evenly and my paper is starting to form clumps and tear
>what the hell is happening?
>examine pen
>"Fine Point Disappearing"

>>3556732
I didn't say anywhere you needed to do every exercise in every artbook you read to absolute completion.

That's not what self-study is. When I study for a calculus/physics exam, I am not doing all 400 problems in my textbooks in chapters 13-20 or whatever. You do a few problems covering one topic, then do a couple problems covering another topic. You spend more time on topic A because you have more trouble with it, meanwhile you don't study for topic B as much because you grasp it much more readily.

Self-study is not autistically doing every exercise and problem in a textbook. It's selectively covering material based on how complex it is and how quickly you can apply what you've learned.

>>3556193
hm. I'm starting to second guess following Loomis' "realist" style

>>3556340
>tfw drawing women's backs makes me feel that way
I never really thought backs were attractive until now.

>>3556781
I understand man

>>3556729
gave this one a shot myself

>>3556781
I understand man. Thanks for using your time to tell me all this, ill get to actually doing something with all this time i have,

Thing in his hand is supposed to be a fetus.

Am I good enough to exit cocoon mode and start a blog yet, or am I still /beg tier/?
Should I touch it up with a small amount of soft shading? Add some color? Or leave it as-is? Any notable flaws or crits? Already know the lips need work and think I could fix them up with a small amount of soft shading but I'm hesitating since I may fug it up.

>>3557262
The nose sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>3554637
>>3554639
I drew few guidance lines to help you see the most obvious mistakes.

For the left one it is the foreshortening of the back. If you want to foreshorten lets say an arm, draw couple of horizontal lines over the fist/hand (the closest object to viewer) and see which objects on the body (the furthest object from the viewer) they line up with. Maybe it's the nipples or even the shoulder. Works same with the butt here. Draw few lines above and below the butt and see where they line up with the body further from the viewer.

For the right one it's the balance. She is leaning lightly to her right hand sure, and she is giving a little pose which is giving her a little bit gesture and nuance, but for the most part her center of mass is on her right feet. If she would rise her right hand she wouldn't completely fall over which tells us that most of her mass is divided evenly on top of this right feet there. She is posing a light contrapposto for us.

All kinds of straight vertical and horizontal lines on reference image helps us tremendously to place all the objects in their right place, and to balance figures so that they look like they are not falling over. Use few of these lines at time to keep it simple. Check out the guides of Dorian Iten to learn how to measure and lay out things with straight lines.

For positive feedback you are showing nice gesture. Your figures don't look too stiff. If you learn how to place objects in their right places with measuring, and keep the gesture, you will draw beautiful figures.

Drawing pages full of hands and feet individually will help you to tackle a lot of difficulties later - but this is very common problem with students.

>>3557288
Thanks anon! I knew something was off in the nose/mouth area, but couldnt see what. Only flipped the sketch, but not as I progressed to inking. The whole face looks alittle off now that its flipped and I can see it. Back to sketching I go.

>>3557262
It is pretty clear you have little grasp of volume. It's not corrected with shading. When you are doing line art we should already feel the front and side planes of the face.

Your placement of the features is a little bit out of whack, and they are just sitting on paper rather than be a part of face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJAz4dUbupI
Check out how much the head has volume here before any of the features are even drawn in! Much less about the shading.

Also I'd recommend trying to get some gesture on the neck if you want to portray a beautiful lean female portrait.

Don't worry about blogs or posting on social media at this point, go learn and have fun portraying the head and face. It's one of the most difficult things to portray beautifully and it will take time but is very rewarding at the end.

>>3557297
If you hold your drawings up to a light you can see the flipped drawing on the backside.

ahhhh goddammit

>>3556197
you can do both. every fundie can be grinded in a way that you find fun but that method has to be something you find yourself that is a directed study with applications but still useful. one thing that kept me grinding through figures is just following japanese girls on twitter and drawing them.

i think the main thing is to draw mindfully and take in as much information as you can, but also have fun with it. fun/study is a balance u gotta figure out urself.

>>3557301
Every time I try to go no-ref with pen everything comes out flat. Any advice on inking and still showing good shape/form? I think Im going to polish this turd a little harder before I give up and do another study.

>>3556921
i like this.

>>3557262
you can start one whenever you want, just don't get caught up in it that you start stressing out.

>>3554583
hi,
i started reading scott Robertson, holy shit that's pretty interesting and looks helpful, but to be honest:

I don't understand anything.
But I want to!!
What is a cone of vision, what am i supposed to do with the camera analogies, why is there an explanation on how to "find" vanishing points?
When do I have to find them? I thought I create vanishing points?
Sorry for asking so stupid questions, but I feel so fucking irritated right now and really, really want to understand the book.

(I added a study i did to this post; so now you can`t complain about beginners who don't post work)

I feel kinda bad about this one. I've been looking at it too long so I'm sure it's much worse than it looks to me.

>>3557310
i actually have all the answers to your questions but typing it out is impossible and it's also a very involved process to show you.

-basically, a cone of vision is what your eyes can see.
-the 3 main camera lenses you will need to be familiar with is wide angle, normal lens, and telephoto
-vanishing points are important to find so that you can setup a grid for your shot in perspective in the lens you choose.
-as long as you have a good grasp of your vanishing points, you can draw every form in the correct perspective without much else to guide you. boxes will usually look "right" as long as you look at your vanishing points when you put lines down

any Glaringly obvious issues im blind to?

>>3557319
yesterdays

>>3557315
thank you.
I just don`t understand why he is writing about camera setups?
Maybe it is a useful analogy, but how does it change how i draw in perspective?
For example, why do I have to be familiar with lenses, if I draw and dont shoot photos?

--How can I apply this knowledge to my drawings in practice??--

How badly have I screwed up my human form so far?

color study, when i wake up i'll commit to something

i learned the hard way that, if you focused to much on one line you will lose your proportions

>>3555353

Looks like the girl who gave me a hand job in high school desu.

What a thot tho

>>3557262
Go ahead and start that blog. If you fuck up this bad again you could just attack it with watercolor splatter or a cheap shade layer like all the other failures do, you cut-rate DeviantArt tier artist.
I can't tell if that thing is asian or white, a girl or a failed trap. Either way, I wouldn't fap to it. Your line weight is off, the difference between the detail (if you want to call it that) in the hair and the lack of detail everywhere else is jarring, and the face is crooked. Those fucking lips, holy shit! Your shading is shit too. It looks like you tried to do something realistic for once other than your usual cheap animoo bullshit, but realizing that you were failing even that tried to experiment by doing that shit job of a hairstyle as "stylization". The pleating (I hope that's what you going for) on the shirt is so bad that I dont think it could be fixed by anything short of a miracle. I sure hope this is a wip because it needs so much work. If you are reading this now without crying like a little bitch go ahead start that blog because you are ready for it and the stress/abuse that comes with one. I actually do like it and would fap. If you do start one, link us to it. I want to see you progress because although still beg tier, you're top beg tier. Good luck bro :)

>>3557323
yeah that's a long explination. i'll get around to making a video on it eventually.

>>3557319
this looks very good, although i'd recommend you hue shift more
your process on this? i'm still a beginner at digital painting

>>3557325
What human?

>>3557346
OH-MY-GOD.
I knew everything I tried, all my hope, all the energy i put into this Hobby,
WAS WASTED.
I may understand this book at some Point , but it seems unlikely to me.
It is soooo hard- and that are just the most Basic Things!!!!!!
If I am even to dumb for this??!!!

I am really having a meltdown right now.
I am glad i don`t have much stuff at home, otherwise I would tear all the stuff apart out of frustration, desperation, anger.

I hope I will feel different about this later.

>>3557362

>>3557306
It's not really about the media of ink, you need to have underlying construction for the final piece to work.

If you go with ink, I'd recommend using references with one point lighting. Then you have clear shadow side so you can indicate volume with cast shadows.

>>3557323
The human eye is a lens.

>>3557319
Work with harder brushes in the beginning, end result is very messy. Thumbnail is decent although I wish more value on the bottom of the fruits.

>>3557262
Is she asian?

>>3557362
Stop being a bitch
But also understand that these are ideas you have to study and grow on. Most people don't understand these things immediately. This is a journey, your understanding will grow over time if you keep at it.
But also stop being a bitch

>>3557375
I at least understood one Thing from robertson's book:
how to divide and multiply rectangles.

>>3557390
Check out the book "perspective made easy".

>>3557375
the human high has a lens, it isn't a lens, and the mechanics of human sight are far more complex than a camera

>>3556921
FUCK you did better than me

>>3557400
Not for the purpose of calculating FOV and avoiding heavy distortion.

>>3557293
Thank you very much for this detailed post

>>3557387
you are not wrong, i have to be more calm with these things.
i tried this excercise...

>>3557440
...but it wrent wrong.

What did I do wrong?
What was my mistake??

>>3557441
Lack of VP.

>>3557441
>>3557445
Nvm your lines are just too fat.

>>3557445
Despite the existence of a vp,
...
it's still wrong

>>3557453
I may straight up be wrong but I think you're skipping #3 on your explanation picture
I honestly have no idea about this stuff but it seems to me if your box ain identical to the one they show, it'll be diff?

>>3557453
Your lines aren't even aligning with the dots, slow down a bit pal and go over more carefully

Do I need to learn skeletons and anatomy if I want to draw thicc anime girls with no muscle definition?

>>3557310
>>3557362
What's your end goal anon?
I was in a similar boat before, spending a lots of time trying to go through Scott's book. At the end of the day I realised that I could get to where I want without that book because it's overkill for me, a simple Perspective Made Easy is all I need. If you're trying to sketch a complex model of mechanical objects like planes, cars or even spaceships, by all means go for it. However if your end goal doesn't demand extreme perspective drawing feel free to spend your time on something else for now, maybe come back once you feel ready to tackle it again.

Also remember there's always 3D tools such as Sketchup to help you build up a complex scene if required.

I'm not saying that perspective is not important, I just believe that the things taught in Perspective Made Easy is enough for most people unless they are aiming for something that demands a greater skill in perspective

>>3557479
Yes you'll need those knowledge, fat (thicc) is kinda like clothes in the sense that you still need to get the underlying stuff (muscle and bones) right in order to make it looks good

>>3557459
ugly example/ drawing,
but this time it worked.
But why?
I just want to understand the principle behind it,
because without understanding it I wont be able to use this technique in practice.

>>3557539
same anon, but I'm also /beg/ so again I may be wrong
but I think in >>3557440 getting #3 right sets the precedent for the rest of the lines to go through, and actually creates the correct VP? if it is a VP?
I kinda got from the first few you tried you were trying to emulate the angle of the lines from the reference pic, without getting that the angle between your box and the line with the red dots was a different angle, thus meaning your parallel lines are gonna work differently

I have depression. How do I get pumped for drawing when my motivation for everything is so low?

>>3557544
oh and it probably matters where those red dots go too. maybe that was it actually? where you put the dots? fuck now I'm doubting myself

>>3557545
maybe go out; just visit nature (if you have trees, lakes, etc in your Country/ City).

I always get extremely tired, but when i do some hours of Sport/ Walking i feel much better and am more productive:)

and i am soo tired that it might be a medical issue, it is the reason why i am currently not working.
docs never found the reason

>>3557565
Sounds like hypogonadism.

>>3557545
When it comes to mastering a skill, the trick is to make it a habit that you'll do anyway despite your mood shifts. Once you manage to make drawing one your habits, lack of motivation becomes a non-problem, it's just something you do. Every artist runs into the situation where they don't feel like drawing, those who stop because of it stop learning.

>>3557544
I think you are right,
though it is also important to not place the rectangle too Close to the horizon line.

Please,
can a more advanced artist tell us if we are right or wrong???

>>3557545
i have this too (among others) and am working on fixing it. been like over a decade, and I only caved and went to do something about it last year after starting to hallucinate every time I left my house
medication, if you've gotten that far and seen your GP and stuff. for meds though, I don't recommend long term use - get your serotonin levels a bit better where you can actually notice your mood drop and then cut them and begin working on your depression without them
exercise every day, form habits for everything - personal hygiene, drawing each day, being generally productive. don't spend all day on a computer, go for a walk daily. I find I'm way more "motivated" when I've actually done other things for the day - but motivation isn't the actual issue, I'm projecting but DISCIPLINE is the big one - having disregarded every aspect of my life for so long, I have very little sense of discipline. I now care, when in the past I didn't, so I have to start little and work at it every week, adding more and more time to what i want to be disciplined in.
don't expect you to go from doing art once a week to 8 hours a day - it just won't happen. Even 30 minutes a day at the beginning is A. better than none and B. improvement. Build on that.
GL anon, really, and sorry for my messy post its 2:30am

>>3557545

Is his hand/head/shoulder ratio ok?

>>3557595
You got lost in detail.

>>3557584
Doc prescribed me venlafaxine last year but I haven't taken any, just been stockpiling it. Do happy pills actually work? I don't want to turn into a zombie

>>3557599
You will turn into a zombie -- also your dick probably won't work, but that's why I say use them short term.
They do work though! In the sense that they bring you higher than your brain would without them, and it creates a new norm. By creating that new norm, one higher than you previously had, changes in your mood become much more apparent and because you don't go from low -> super fucking low very quickly (instead, medium -> low -> super fucking low), you can identify the actual issue before it becomes the issue. I now can identify when my depression is about to hit, and then logically and rationally attempt to do my best to quell the current downwards trend, and know that this isn't just something that "just is" -- I don't know about you but I used to have a mad victim complex about it all -- I just figured "well I guess I'm just meant to be depressed, nothing I can do about it" which is not true.
Also some medications might not work for you. Physical effects, especially within the first few weeks of starting meds, can be bad. I went through about 4 or 5 different kinds of SSRIs til I found one that didn't wreck me physically and actually helped me. It takes about 2 or so months for it all to settle for you to really gather if it's helping or hindering. Some I took and for the first week of starting them I'd vomit them within a few hours of taking it.
But yeah it isn't something that is just meant to fix all your problems - it just helps put you in a position to help yourself.

>>3557610
>it just helps put you in a position to help yourself.

So about as effective as religion then?

>>3557620
if you wanna make the assumption that religion has physical, tangible effects on your serotonin levels and your brain then, sure, why not

>>3557579
Not entirely sure what the exact problem you were struggling with is, but this might help you understand the logic of it better. As you can see, we can divide the green line with red lines at any angle we want. The red lines will divide both the green line and purple line perfectly as long as they are parallel and their distances are equal.
Then in the perspective view we just make the parallel lines go towards a VP.

>>3557628
thank you, it is perfectly understandable now :)

>>3556315
Yeah so far when I do loomis I think less of them being less lines and actual 3d space it seems to really boost the results.

Is it possible to draw good anatomy without learning anatomy, just by eyeballing it?

>>3557646
source?

>>3557655
I have avoided learning anatomy traditionally. Instead, I rote copy the anatomy of (anime) artists I like. I wouldn't say I draw good anatomy, or anything close to it. But I also haven't been drawing for very long (I started last month). I intend to earnestly try learning anatomy after a couple more months of doing rote copy.

>>3557655
Not sure what that question even means. As you're drawing you're inevitably learning anatomy as you go. Yes it's possible to learn without consulting any anatomy resources but why would you do that, the problems you would spend months on could be answered in a few minutes from an anatomy reference.

Me: Today, I will study my fundamentals!
Me: *spends the entire day drawing anime heads*

>>3556728
>>3557407

you're getting lost in the small details so that the whole loses cohesion and fluidity (basically >>3557335)

when i did >>3556921 i spent a significant amount of time messing around with gesture lines, trying to figure out a way to pull and exaggerate forms in a way i liked.


>>3557313
face is too small mostly

some more faces

why drawing faces is so hard?

>>3557716
>drawing faces is so hard
try frog perspective

>>3557708
sorry, forgot the ref

>>3556293

what is this technique for?
I don't really understand.
Is it just for drawing a cube?
But you can draw cubes in one Point perspective without this technique.
I also don't understand how loomis decided the Position of the 3rd line.

Any advanced Artist here who understands this??

>>3556295>>3557757

i meant this technique, sorry for not linking it first.
i messed up

>>3556295>

i meant this technique, sorry for not linking it first.
i messed up

phew you guys weren’t kidding, this drawing stuff is tough!

Keys is extremely helpful for where i’m at, thank you for the direction!

>>3556004
Followed your tip, tried to immitate their method on other refs. Here is my new try

how do i hold an image (imagination) in my mind long enough to draw it?

>>3557793
People does this? Sounds unreasonably difficult.

>>3554962
You keep me here.<3

>>3556749
what is
>Fine Point Disappearing

>>3557808
how else do you draw then?

>>3557814
On paper, with a pencil.

>>3557818
i mean if you can't hold an image in your mind how do you know what to draw?

>>3557793
>>3557814
>>3557821
You don't draw images, you draw concepts.
You think of what you want to draw, e.g. a squirrel riding a dragon.
You don't have to have the final work in your head and try to draw that, all you need are those words: "a squirrel riding a dragon".
You draw a dragon, place squirrel on it's back. You can expand on your concept by deciding a perspective, or even details, but you don't need to "see" it. Just need the idea.

>>3557822
You don't see it first? How do you get all the big stuff right?

>>3557822
if you cant see it how do you know where to put the lines? how do you know how much of the page to fill up?

>>3557826
use references

>>3557828
which you picture in your mind while drawing, right? you can't just draw with no image in your mind to follow

>>3557828
I meant composition and negative space.

>>3557831
no, for reference i typically use images i find online.
like Anon mentioned the squirrel riding a dragon concept, i'd find a picture of a squirrel and draw it, modified to fit the pose i need.
i couldn't possibly draw everything from imagination

>>3557832
fair enough. i typically have the image in my mind at the start, and sketch down a quick thumbnail to figure out the composition, and then go in for the full drawing.

>>3557836
That's what I do, although I have gotten eerily good at walking around and posing an imaginary figure.

Another keys to drawing exercise

How long did it take you to be able to draw straight lines between two points consistently? I’ve always had poor handwriting but i’m really giving my all here and it’s tough.

>>3557656
"sketching manga style"

>>3557903
30mins.

>>3557924
happy for you. Wish me luck.

>>3554583

Hi,
at the end of this Video, proko says that there are at least 2 methods to proof by yourself if your measuring of a Scene/ drawing/ pose was good or not, without asking someone else.
Does anyone here know what techniques he could mean?
The Explanation for the 2 techniques is behind paywall, that is why i am asking here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

Tried drawing from imagination with a ballpoint pen (a la KJG).

>>3557655
Not consistently. It's easier to learn anatomy than to try shortcutting it.

should i start drawing complicated things or simple things as a beginner?

>>3557293
Not the artist you were replying to, but thank you for this. This is super helpful

>>3557978
Simple things, fundamentals. Boxes, cilinders, cones etc. Know your perspective and forms, then focus on details.

how do i draw good looking loomis heads? i always try but i find it easier to just do it without construction most of the time. does his HEADS AND HANDS book offer better insight on his method than FUN WITH A PENCIL?

>>3558009
>i always try but i find it easier to just do it without construction most of the time.

>>3557440
is this the same method as this one?
Because i think so.
Am i right?
I would really appreciate someone clarifying this to me.
thanks

My first attempt at a (somewhat) stylized portrait. Sadly I can't really post the reference picture I used. Any advice?

Are gesture drawings things that get more fluid with practice? I've watched all the videos on gesture and currently when i do a gesture drawing the "stick figure" looks very gestural but when i try to add details im stuck and it ends up looking like a scribbly michelin man, do i just need to practice more or is there a method to achieving amazing gesture drawings?

trying to achieve pic related, something simple but detailed.

Cleaning out a storage locker and I found a jar of ink and a mattress

Can I be a artist

>>3557379
Yeah I think I use opacity as a crutch but it’s how I map out base tones with the intital blocking in. If I spent more time on it it would be less messy but you are right

>>3557708
i did a lot of foundational stuff with the gesture, too; yours just looks more confident i think, since it's better designed rather than an actul figure drawing; you say that i should focus less on the small details and i think that you should focus on them more lol, like the face that you drew was a rotated cymbal pretty much, rather than the shapes and contours at the front of her head

>>3558126
It's way too light. Especially as simple as it is, you really need some dark lines to make it interesting. As it is, it's almost not even on the page

>>3558447
Thank you. It's not finished yet, I just kind of wanted to throw the lines what kind of results I'd get. I'll do that.

any rate on my doodle

are either of these shots I took from a music video good to use for a reference?

>>3558480

Latest tablet driver update made so it so that I can only use one monitor or else my cursor jumps around randomly. Had to look at my phone screen for reference.

I've been using construction to draw 2hus in different poses. Aside from getting more comfortable with foreshortening and drawing hair, not a lot has changed.

I'm having a lot of trouble placing heads on figures, I always end up erasing and resizing, moving and generally not feeling comfortable with said placement.

Can somebody please help this newfag?

>>3558065
Sure looks like it.

>>3557262
looks like 1920's commercial art.

>>3558373
i honestly agree with you-- one thing i'm really trying to work on rn is conveying soft/smooth details with curves (so basically female faces lmao).

i'd been trying to improve my gesture drawing/line confidence for a while now and i'm glad it's starting to show :D

>>3558550
do loomis so you know how to divy the head up to put in the features .

hey guys wahts up i made a new thread :) >>3558696

>>3557594
shut up

>>3558550
I just leave the head til last and place a box or whatever around the position of the head by looking at the edge of the head relative to other lines on the ref

>>3558550
Steve Huston's 3 hour long head construction video on YouTube talks about this, though not in depth. Still, it might be helpful to you.

1 year ago I injured my hand from drawing way too much and I couldn't even pick something up for weeks after. since then my hand aches each time I try to draw and I can't draw 1/10th as much as I'd like to, out of caution. I wanted to try my best but now it seems like I'm fucked for life because of it
don't do this and make sure to draw from the shoulder if youdon't already

is there anything you recommend I do to make it easier on my hand? Is there any possible cure (I think it's tendonitis)?
also what's the best angle to have the paper at when drawing

What could I do to make this better?

>>3559613
it would be cool if the pentagram was proper like

>>3559633
disagree, the irregularity is fine

any tips on motivating yourself to draw? after i come home from work i never can bring myself to draw, even if im bored

>>3560220
most work is cancer for the spirit, needed both for discipline and for creativity. get up early and draw before work

When do I learn to shade?
Doing the Learn to Draw by Bert Dodson, on 1c, he mentions I can shade but I have zero fucking idea how to.

Also is it possible to get good shading with just #2 pencils?
I'm willing to buy pencils I just didnt want to jump the gun and buy a bunch of supplies without using them

>>3560607
There's eventually a section about mapping shadows. It's hard to recommend, you could try out some 2B or 4B charcoal type pencils. #2 pencils can be made to look "pretty" but you're incredibly limited and in fact it's going to be really hard to make the shading you want. Stick with them now because as you learn drawing with lines instead of contour you should feel less limited by it.

You want to apply tones with graphite or charcoal gradually building up to the final one. It's gentle and takes time. Work on something like a 3-2-1 read where a basic form like a cube has 3 different distinct tones of shadow, light, and midtone. It's hard to really push much value out of a #2 so you'll learn to compress value ranges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50cz7lMn5xw#t=5m

r8 my sketch of a girl at bus station. Any and all criticism is welcome

>>3560788
its bad

>>3560796
Okay, could you point out exactly why? I want to know where (if anywhere) I got things right

>>3560833
a lot of things... e.g. her left hand holding the paper is in false perspective, it is kinda inversed?
her lower foot is just too scribbly
the seats are chicken scratching
you didn't use the page efficiently, the drawing should've been bigger