/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

been doing pic related, when do you move on from a book like fun with a pencil? I could copy the drawings for weeks, but I have just been practising setting up the construction.

I'm tryin to cut down my line useage. Just using my mouse and pinta because im a lazy faggot and cba reaching for a pen and paper

>>3547134
last thread died when i posted my practice. Been reading heads and hands but had trouble with it so i went to figure drawing for now and am having fun. this is day 3. sorry its so light. i'm on a trip in another country and its not great over here

>>3547114
last thread died when i posted my practice. Been reading heads and hands but had trouble with it so i went to figure drawing for now and am having fun. this is day 3. sorry its so light. i'm on a trip in another country and its not great over here

I'm focusing on gesture after a month of figure drawing, am I doing this right ?

https://picarto.tv/XUFNZLYBZ

Two questions:

1) Is Proko a good resource for learning anatomy?
2) Is gesture drawing something you do when drawing from imagination or is it strictly for observational drawing?

>>3547249
It good to practice both, if you understand the principles behind gesture then you can extract the pose from a reference easily as well as apply those principles to create good poses from imagination

>>3547249
Proko is good if you're a beginner. There'll always be people claiming there's better or that this and that isn't very good, but unless you're planning to draw kangaroos from imagination you should be fine.

>>3547159
Focus more on the main body shapes and less on the specific muscles and bones.

First sawed off enfield, another one tomorrow.

>>3547261

>>3547263

First, second and third times drawing a wolf ever, from reference. There are too plain, Idk how to shade

Some study/practices..

Critiques welcome.

Comments? Critiques?

New to watercolour , Advice welcome . Thanks

>>3547296
I think you need to take it a few notches back, or approach dynamic figure drawing (assuming you are from the filename) differently.
Pay attention to how in the book body/parts are constructed in volumes, cubes, cylinders, etc.
You might be better served by starting a simpler book, keys to drawing or one of the simpler Loomis books.

>>3547313
I am using dynamic figure drawing, yeah. I've been through keys to drawing already and wasn't really sure which book to continue onto next. As out of date as it seems maybe ill try fun with a pencil instead.

I did notice that in dynamic they're using simple shapes for the figures it's just a bit hard to copy at my skill level i think.

>>3547269
I'd focus less on the fur and more on the shape and how shadows fall right now, anon. You can add fur detail back in once you have the basics of the anatomy of the animal you're trying to draw back in.

Kind of like this maybe but I half-assed this and spent like 5 minutes on it, but it should give you the idea more than anything.

Welp. I tried.

>>3547323
As lame as it may seem, you might want to try just go try to grasp drawing forms as construction. Practice cubes, spheres, pyramids and cylinders three dimensional, and practice drawing them in as much angles as you can until you got that down.
Though fun with a pencil does touch on the subject, so it might be fine to start from there.

>>3547332
Figured I'd have to go down that road eventually, boring as it is. Guess I'll get to grinding thanks anon

How do I measure on the digital medium?

I have my reference photo right next to my photoshop canvas and I am clueless on how to translate what I observe into a sketch. Any help would be appreciated.

>>3547331
I really like this . If i could give some advice , try and be more mindful about various strokes , for example the shadow under the nose looks like a moustache , think about your intention before making the stroke.
Is it delicate or forceful etc. what medium is this ?

>>3547326
Yeah I suck at shading. I was very difficult to se where the light and the shadows were.

>>3547344
For me personally, not different than measuring in traditional. So just thumb/pencil, extend arm and close one eye. I use my stylus, measure a part (e.g. eye) and see how that distance relates to the next landmark I'm trying to get down.

>>3547349
Thanks anon I'm trying to get better with that. I drew it in pen on paper. I recently bought a printer that came with a scanner so I've been using that I think it looks better than my phone camera (and it gives me an excuse for buying the printer besides printing ID cards)

If I look at an anime picture I like and try to replicate it while looking at it on a 2nd monitor, does that count as study?

how do i get better at doing noses when it's just a simple contour nose? it always looks icky. is there a HQ example or tutorial any1 has?

I tried to draw Koto from Yu Yu Hakusho and made it so she's holding a microphone to her mouth and it wound up resembling that picture of Tenshi eating a corndog. I think I managed to regress in quality.

I might be able to draw a decent face if I drew a head that took up half a page, but I can't draw small for shit. Too ashamed to post the drawing.

>>3547159
All your legs are way too thick

>>3547429
>Tenshi eating a corndog
kek, post it

>>3547160
Drawing contour and not flow, typical crit but it is true

>>3547114
I-is that proko?

>>3547493
No, it's his hideous secret twin brother- Penko- that his family had fought to keep secret out of shame that he was born with a few extra chromosomes.
He's lived in the basement of the family estate for decades... he's forgotten what the sun looks like...

#FreePenko2018

>>3547366
Thank you, friend. Also checked.

i drew this and another page in my sketchbook but it's getting to be really discouraging. i'm not having fun learning if i don't feel like there's any progress.

as usual, advice... critique, etc.

>>3547359
I'd pick a different ref, probably.

>>3547525
forgot to flip....

advice, critiques, etc...

i know it's bad, don't need to be told. drawing is getting to be depressing

WIP, give the feedback. Gonna attack the body. Will go into 2B and 4B shading once I've done all the body.

Based off of this https://www.pinterest.com/pin/482448178813744218/

Trying to get into the digital meme

Does anyone have advice on how to do super basic shit like draw straight lines that connect?
Maybe I'm retarded but I can't just do the thing I do with paper and draw a cube for example, having trouble lining shit up and angling things correctly

>>3547592
You just got to keep doing it for a long time until you adapt.

Confirm to me, will honing my "3D mannequins" technique (that is, doing this same model on every pose) good enough to become an outstanding artist??

Is this actually used at all by you pros? I got confused by all the "learn anatomy" and "Learn constructive drawing" stuff.

>>3547595
Eh, I think it's just mileage. The 3D mannequins will only help you with construction, and construction is one of the critical components of drawing but there are others.

Anatomy
Shading
Texture

come to mind and you need to be good in all of them to be an outstanding artist.

>>3547593
Yeah that's probably how it works out
Gonna go and fuck about with basic geometric objects until I get a hang of the magic pencil

Since you shouldn't get stuck drawing yourself from the front, I'm angling two mirrors to view myself from the side, but I run into logistic issues like the floor length mirror not being tall enough to view the top of my head at a flat angle.
Which means drawing from a below angle or stuffing a bunch of shoeboxes with filler, raising it up, and hoping nothing falls.
Plus my head's way smaller with the cheap makeup mirror being 2.5 feet from it, so there's a loss of detail.

Does anyone know any guides out there to make working with mirrors less Rube Goldberg-y?

>>3547601
If you happen to be learning a language with a foreign alphabet (e.g. Japanese, Chinese) you could always practice stroke order digitally using the tablet instead of printing trace sheets out. Two birds with one stone.

Or just go with your original plan, since that's simpler anyways.

I call this one "the gold toe ghost comes out"

>>3547585
use your eraser for brighter tones, loosen your grip, trace is too hard, maybe try a softer pencil, eyes and mouth lack depth
good use of values and shapes, though
>>3547531
cool style, but try applying different values, experiment with pencils instead of pens
eyes are really big (I fall for that constantly as well), but I think it was intended
>>3547293
>>3547291
you don't belong in this thread and you know it
good studies, though, I like how expressive the eyes are and how you give the faces depth with subtle shading
look a lot like french comics

>>3547531
Don't get down, it still looks better than my stuff.

I think you might want to pin down where the hair is and how heavy it's supposed to be on the bottom two people. Right now it's a bit airy.

>>3547595
>Confirm to me, will honing my "3D mannequins" technique (that is, doing this same model on every pose) good enough to become an outstanding artist??
What's the alternative?

>>3547595
I'm a pretty new artist. I also started off by drawing mannequins instead of drawing pretty much anything else. I could never get a straight answer out of /ic/ on how exactly I should practice drawing them. Even artbooks that walk you through the construction process oftentimes have conflicting or mismatching mannequins.

At least the ones I looked at. What I've been able to glean is that experienced artists don't generally create detailed mannequins like what you've drawn. You only see that in 'redlining', when anatomy is being checked. Experienced artists draw very "fast and loose" mannequins because, as far as I can tell, they just know what they're doing.

So I don't think drawing detailed mannequins is necessary as a beginner. It's only something that comes in handy later. Right now it is very important to learn correct anatomical proportions. You want to sketch figures that have correct arm length, torso size, head size, hand/feet size, etc.

In my uneducated and very beginner opinion, that is mission priority #1.

So I've started doing primitive figures a bunch in order to get better at drawing people. Should I basically keep at what I'm doing now or am I doing something wrong?

Hand practice

>>3547686
they're still shaky and flat, keep drawing them
but of course, don't let it be the only thing you draw, do what you like too

>>3547710
To make them less flat do i just shade in the drawings? And thanks for the feedback anon

>>3547686
Work on making your primary forms (cubes, cylinders, spheres and so on) less shitty.

>>3547719
not necessarily, work on perspective, make them look 3d

>>3547592
Use the provided tools.
If you can't seem to draw a straight line, have the machine do it for you. That's what it's for. You've got a line tool now, as well as a move tool, selections and layers.
You'll be able to do everything freehand eventually, if you just practice, but if you can find a way to reliably cheat, then it's not really a priority to learn that.

When drawing with charcoal how often you sharpen (sand?) the tip? I have seen many artist doing light hatching with very pointy tip of the charcoal pencil rather than scrubbing pigment down and blending it. For me I can't keep a sharp tip for very long.. I use stanley knife and sanding paper to expose and sharpen the lead for about inch long.

Also do you prefer very smooth or textured paper for charcoal work?

Drew from life the other night. Gonna do some more tonight.

I was taking a shit with my 3ds and decided I wanted to draw anime ass, on the shitty 3ds drawing app, even though I've never really drawn before. Tell me how I improve, what tablets to buy and programs to use. I will master the anime ass.

>>3547783

You will need a bit of tooth to the paper with charcoal, because otherwise it will not stay on.

>>3547783
You could sharpen a bunch of pencils before you start drawing, so you can switch between them instead of having to sharpen the one you use all the time.

And this might be of interest to you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-piPn9d6Q

>when you don't realize that f.lux is running and it fucks up your colors
Anyways, been trying to paint more instead of just drawing. My portraits always look retarded since I don't know what colors to use and because I usually shift my values around too much. Had fun painting it but it looks wonky when I look at it now.

>>3547811
I’ve started drawing again, and I’m doing those 10 minute eye to hand exercises, and this is two of those from tonight. I try to do 2 - 3 a day! If not more of course!

>>3547811
If it looks wonky it helps to flip the canvas as you work anon. Helps show mistakes you couldn't really see.

>>3547811
Shoot! Sorry, didn’t mean to rage you in my >>3547815

>>3547783
C>>3547815
>I’m doing those 10 minute eye to hand exercises
Which?

>>3547815
>I’m doing those 10 minute eye to hand exercises
Which?

>>3547798
Practice lots
Read the sticky
An ordinary pencil will get you pretty far, tool-wise

>>3547830
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en/startSession?gender=1&clothing=1&showNSFW=1&pose=1&view=&time=10%3A00&imageType=fullBodies

>>3547783
Assuming you sharpened like pic related, thin/broad lines are ideally made by drawing with different angles of the tip. Try not to use the point but only the sides. Excuse my crude mspaint infograph..

>>3547686
try do the drawabox.com lessons it has good explanation about this stuff

also like the other anon said draw what you like too.

so...wha-what does keys to drawing teach you? should i start with it or andrew loomis head and hands?

im back to finishing this because i forgot about it. im stumped as to how to add more detail to this. i mean i know i can work on the dead peoples clothes and hands more to make them look better, but for the wall, i just dont get it considering how its mostly in deep shadow and its metallic/monocolored. i guess i could make the lights on the wall better detailed too. any crits welcome but i want to get this finished.

This is literally my first painting with no experience. I do like painting though so I might paint more. Be honest with that in mind.

>>3547925
What's it supposed to be?

>>3547926
Nothing really, my arm is broken so I've been using my left arm which I'm bad with and I was practicing "basics." Every time I messed up I just made it weirder. I was gonna add a nose, it didn't feel right though

>>3547595
>>3547666
A mannequin is a scaffold on which you can place the anatomy. On one hand it has to consist of simple enough shapes like boxes or cylinders to easily control its perspective, foreshortening and proportions to make it reproducible. Experienced artists can start with more complex shapes right away. On the other hand you must be able to map anatomical landmarks correctly to points that can be reproducibly found on or deduced from the mannequin.
Grinding mannequins will only help you if your mannequin allows you to do these two things:
1. draw a reproducibly consistent shape-scaffold in perspective
2. deduce anatomy from the scaffold

When looking at >>3547595 it doesn't seem like you have control over the consistency of the shapes of the mannequin yet. Instead of using bulbous cylinders of ambiguous shape you should use boxes. It's easier to control their size and perspective more unambiguously at your skill level. But you should build a proportionally correct mannequin first.

>>3547923
Separate Vader from the wall.

Did this yesterday, when the thread was dead.

I started drawing about two months ago and it has been almost entirely digital art with a tablet I got at a flea market (wacom bamboo)

This is the first thing since I started that I felt I could maybe get critique on to figure out what I need to do to get out of beginner stages

Any tips? I know it's a hot mess

>>3547946
Wing is small and body is fat.

>>3547953
Hard to tell what's going when the picture is this small.

>>3547957
Thought it had to be less than 1000 pixels or something my bad

>>3547959
Draw naked figures on the side. So you don't have to hide your lack of anatomically knowledge in robes.

>>3547979
Good idea.

>>3547944
does that mean 'edge control'? and i think i know what you mean

>>3547785
Drew another hand.

>>3548029
you should draw real hands

>>3547798
Noble pursuit, wish you luck in your jorney, please keep us posted

Is this the beginner's burden? Showed this to my friends and they really praised me, but I don't think I can claim this as my art just yet; as my real skill.
I know I simply looked at nude models on my pc for 4-5 hours autistically lookingup and down and drawing in hopes of learning something about the Human body to one day being able to draw them from memory with at least 60% this much detail. Dammit Rachel I'm a fake I just wanted to feel aknowledged but anyone with a focused mind and a reference can do this

>>3547785
>>3548029
You draw the pedestal too big. It's smaller, and less conical.

>>3548037
>anyone with a focused mind and a reference can do this
But not everyone does.
There is no such thing as cheating, and you should use every dirty trick that works.

>>3548037
just do more of those. Try to not focus much on detailing them, just nail the pose down and move on to the next model. A strong gesture game is probably the most important part in drawing from imagination.

>>3547653
Great idea actually, thank you Ann
Need to learn cursive Cyrillic

>>3547773
Very true, gonna try and be more open to the capabilities of the software

>>3548029
>>3548033
I've never owned one of these because I didn't see the point, but after struggling to lay down the construction I can see a purpose on how this can help.

I think it could definetely help if you do some of the bare-bones and then look at actual hands and try to pose the mannequin to a similiar style, particularly to help you look past the fingers. Post progress, I am curious on whether to get one myself or not

>>3547592
just draw disconnected lines
>>3547785
why would you draw a mannequin when you have two hands
>>3547798
rounder, focus on one cheek first
>>3547959
stop painting, stop coloring, stop pretty effects and bold lines and go back to sketching
>>3548037
figure out how the muscles fit together dude
>>3547686
man i dunno if you don't know what a rectangle looks like you should give up

>>3547267
go practice your fundies

>>3547114
I'm trying to practice painting digitally. I'm not amazing at traditional but this feels like 5 steps back.

This is mostly one layer and I know I shouldn't do that, but how should I organize my layers so that I can have the most control over my composition?

>>3548244
What?

>>3548252
fundamentals.
Shape, form, lighting, etc
Go perfect your basics and then work on trying to do more complex drawings like guns. It seems disconnected but fundamentals are relevant with any subject matter.

>>3548251
Zoom the fuck out and lay down the foundation/rough shapes before you start zooming in and doing details.
As for layering, it depends on your workflow but I just do my grayscale value painting on a single layer, only start using multiple layers when I apply color. You could layer by object so you can slide shit around easily, but honestly just thumbnail sketch your composition before you start.
As for what you got down so far, there's not much functionality to have any of that on seperate layers.

>>3548255
Forgot to add, if you use linework/sketches, that would be something you'd like to have on a seperate layer.

>>3548255
I was trying to practice with the nose as a simpler shape to avoid doing the full compositon of the face.

Should I go back to sketching and then doing a more vague grayscale before trying to do color detail?

>>3548253
Oh thank you!

>>3548258
edit because sperg

Not color detail, but finer details in general. I want to perfect my form before I try to apply color. If I can't get the shapes right it'll be too much too fast.

>>3548261
Cute.
That arc is pretty bad though.

>>3548258
>>3548263
Doing a sketch isn't required but if it helps you, sure. It just seems you were working from small to big, which will result in some deformed monster (notice her mouth is sliding away to the left because you have no gameplan here).
Ideally you work from big to small, even if you're just blotting in shapes first with a relatively large round brush (and for learning purposes preferably without opacity or soft edges) and go from the big shapes down to the smaller shapes.
Tangently related, try to draw what you see. Just compare the shape of the nostrils in the reference to yours, you see they're not the same right? Or that the philtrum is nothing but a value change, and not hard lines?
That the right side (from our view) of her mouth extends beyond the wing of the nose in the ref, and in your painting almost lines up with it?

>>3548265
>Cute.
good

I want to ask any /beg/ here to draw what they think a normie looks like

>>3548269
I started over and I'm trying a rough sketch before cleaning it up and going over with a grayscale painting attempt

I fucked up the proportions again. Why is not half-assing measurement so hard?

>>3548377
Lack of practice. Take your time.

>>3548366
Flip both vertically for a fresh view and keep fixing the linework. Try to guess her face structure as opposed to just drawing what you see. Part of it is covered by hair but you have to 'recreate' the information that got lost.

Don't give up, spend hours on it if you have to.

>>3548402
Your journey begins. Godspeed, Anon.

how do I draw ribs without confusing myself?

are you supposed to use loomis when doing portraits? i just tried and idk if i'm just having a shitty day in terms of drawing or what but my portrait doesn't look anything at all like the source. normally my drawings look better but holy shit this one looks horrendous. how do i use loomis in portraits without everything looking bad?

>>3547114
How do I practice what is taught in Scott Robertson's How To Draw?

>>3547429
daijoubu
digital artists zoom in all the time and everyone says bigger is better when it comes to drawing tablets

>>3547918
It teaches you a bag of tricks to help you draw, that's why it's called "keys". You won't remember a lot of it without actually drawing and you can figure out a lot of it by just drawing. So I recommend reading a lot to familiarize yourself with what it generally talks about and how the information in the book is ordered for easy reference. You should also read Fun with a Pencil and Figure Drawing for All It's Worth before Heads and Hands, and I believe the hands section is easier than the heads section.

>>3548366
I'd say reduce the thickness of the neck and make it longer (women tend to have longer and thinner necks).

Smaller nose, and eyes more to the center (or maybe smaller). I'd recommend you look at the shape of the face and then see if the discance of the elements (eyes, nose, mouth) in relation to the border (the shape of the face) are the same in both. If not, try to correct them (unless you are going for a certain style).

Aside of that, maybe be careful with the clothes, maybe a darker grey in the background so the lights have more contrast but that's up to you.

I could be wrong it some points tho. But overall I think you are in a good route. Just soften some stuff and see how it goes.

Kind of messed up the eyes and still struggling with making them look less "anime".

Any thoughts or tips?

>>3548377
the leg is way too long
avoid detailing until all the big shapes look right

>>3548524
How are his videos? I heard you need to watch them to get anything more than a brief overview of his methods.

>>3547466
Here's Juri instead. The face is still weird since it's still psuedo-anime symbol drawing shit. Couldn't figure out how to foreshorten her foot.

I'm still putting off doing gesture drawing, learning anatomy or bothering to do construction or basically anything I should be doing.

learning drawing from immigration

>>3548765
holy shitthanks for the laff

how do i improve my portrait drawing? i've done like 3 or 4 and then took a break for a week or two doing other stuff and now i'm not even as good as i was then! are there any good resources for portrait drawing?

>>3548765
>immigration

>>3548844

>>3548844

I’ve recently been doing some figure drawing any tips please

>>3548865

Please give help.

How do I draw tiny lips while also giving them volume?

>>3548895
try shading along the form

>>3548896
Last attempt, tried shading a bit around the form. If you could red line it or something it'd be cool. My portraits consistently end up with flat lips. I think mostly because I draw tiny it makes it harder to draw get in the details necessary to give it the form.

>>3548895
I used your thing to practice face construction, I think I lost a lot of the asian features. About you're question, just think of the lips in terms of forms

>>3548577
but can this book alone with no other skills or help let me copy a picture 100% or something

>>3548765
it's weird anyway

How do you paint a fur like texture?

I can barely draw let alone paint.

How do I go about giving depth and shading for landscapes? also any other good tips about digitally drawing landscapes would be great.

>>3549143
>also any other good tips about digitally drawing landscapes would be great.
Learn perspective, Read perspective made easy.

>>3549137
What is that technique called where you draw it poorly first and then went over it darker?

>uma delicia

>>3549176
Whats up with the belly?

>>3549191
I just can't paint for shit

i thought it was about time to post in one of these threads again, not unhappy with where im at at the moment but some thoughs and feedback/reccomenations could always help.

Art not mine.
I'm looking for CSP brushes that could give me the effects like in this pic. A textured brush sort of rough like a dry paintbrush or something like that. How would I find or create something like this?

So I've started watching Drawabox and I have a question. Do you guys actually draw using your shoulder/elbow and not your wrist/elbow? Is this method a meme, because I never heard about it before.

>>3549254
It's not a meme. Draw with your arm, elbow and shoulder. Wrist movements only for fine details.

>>3549245
I like your style.

>>3549255
Okay, thanks. At first it seemed wrong but now i'm starting to feel improvements. I'm just gonna cut off my right forearm for the moment.

>>3549245
You should do some figure drawing from reference if you want to get rid of the "just standing in 3/4" pose you seem to default to.

>>3549245
Could you post some of your previous to compare?

hand drew this, is about the size of a smartphone

hand drawn with felt tip

>>3547263
>>3547267
pistol grip section of stock is fucked

Here's my /beg/ contribution, still need to work on line confidence (mostly just need to draw more) and I need to draw what I see rather than what's there, though I feel I am getting a little better at that each time I draw. Wasn't this a Keys to Drawing example? Just taking things one day at a time.

>>3549330
Try to fit your drawing on the paper, you'll be glad you think about that later, so you might as well start doing that now. Next time do a light outline of your object so you fit it all in without dropping off the page.

>>3549338
Yeah, I was thinking I should do that when I got to the bottom. How do you do it? I was thinking I could just measure the top and bottom and fill in the middle if I can get it proportional

>>3549340
Not the anon you replied, but drawing a bottle is one of keys to drawing exercises, not so much later in the book there'll be exercises about measurements.

>>3549350
Oh yeah? I'll take a look at it before I try to draw again tomorrow.

>>3549246
chalkk, charcoal, craYON under pencils

>>3549340
Draw two lines, make it fit between them. Also works for figure drawing. No point in saying more, getting proportions right is part of the fun.

>>3549374
Keep it simple and just draw until you get it right, right?

>>3549257
Thank you.

>>3549286
this skips the late 2014-2015 period but im lazy and its already something i compiled

>>3549274
yeah i know, i had this pointed out last time i posted pic related. i really have not used much in the way of reference material at all so its something i need to work on.

>>3549389
i should say that it can take several months between drawings since its something i do in my spare time so id say thats why the progression is inconsistant

>>3549388
I haven't found an easier way.

>>3549389
all this work and you didn't once look at a reference to see that female pelvises/pubic areas don't just look like a giant V

>>3549402
they kinda do tho

>>3549405
>Reference
>doxy tutorial

>>3549402

but you are probably correct in that i should look at more referances for that stuff

>>3549409
Draw real people.

>>3549405
youre referencing a drawing which is dumb as fuck but at least its correct, you interpreted it WRONG though
the position of the legs makes those creases in a V shape appear
when standing straight up that kind of acute angle v isn't going to happen. if the girl is chubby then a more obtuse angle v will happen because of the fat on the pubic area creating a tiny overhang.

>>3549412
could you post a reference on what you are describing?

>>3549414
vast majority of refs i have are scantily clad not naked or from an angle that doesnt show what i mean but heres one of a curvy girl standing up straight
even the hint of the "v" shape that is there is a wide angle

>>3549414
more examples clipped from my reference folders

>>3549425
thanks

Trying to get into game dev
I also read books/manga sometimes
Is there a drawing tablet with a screen with which i can do both for cheap

Is 250 boxes a meme?
https://drawabox.com/lesson/250boxes

>>3548585
Ahhh thanks! Forgot those existed. I will try and follow em... I also looked up stuff and apparently a good method is to try analyzing some objects

can I make it?

Before you actually put pencil to paper can you see the finished drawing in your mind?

>>3549536
I believe in you, friend.

>>3549554
I even inked it fren
it should be more readable now

>>3549518
Asking if it's a meme is a meme.

>>3549545
No one would get anything done if that was the case.

My scanner broke, so here, have a shitty photo

>>3549648
Low effort.

gonna use this as a ref later

Coming back after a long break, also new to digital art. How am I doing?

>>3549729
Torso seems alright, ref'd probably. Her right arm seems to be bending unnaturally, but most notably the top of her skull seems to be melting.

>>3549729
Stay on the page.

bought a drawing tablet a few days ago and im thinking of returning it

also looking for some /beg/ friendly discord servers

>>3549729
Ref

>>3549763
You made her right arm ridiculously short

>>3549518
it teaches you some very basic concepts. it won't hurt, i don't believe. if you're a complete beginner, it should be an okay place to start.

i've heard people say the instructor does a poor job of teaching certain concepts but at the very least it's a structured pseudo academic course and its free

>>3548906
Hope this is somewhat helpful

>>3549740
>beg friendly

what afucking bitch kys

Just need basic help on cartoon shit and i'm thinking about getting a drawing tablet as well

>>3549893
Get a tablet or paper and pencil. A mouse is just a handicap and frankly you will not improve

>>3548377
On the plus side your lines are clean

>>3548580
You chose an anime as fuck reference

>>3549893
Why not just draw with pen or pencil and paper until you get your tablet? There is no reason to use a mouse

>>3549893
grab a razor and draw a line down your wrist with it
it'll solve all your problems

>>3549791
This is nice anon.

>>3548764
Switched to digital. Drew a gesture and then drew a more detailed drawing on top. Not sure if it's a fluke but I kind of already have a style.

>>3549893
you can do vector and pixel art with a mouse

>>3550023
Linework that looks like my legs isn't a style

>>3550029
I don't really understand your comment, but I assume you meant the legs and linework look like shit. I'm not saying it's even half good, it just accidentally has a cartoony look that I kind of like. Not that anyone else will agree.

>>3550023
Disconnected, wobly/hairy lines.
Would you handle a weapon like she does with her right hand?
Dress doesn't see to suit the chracter concept. What is she anyway? Show that in her clothes, expression, posture, attitude.

>>3550038
Hairy lines.

>>3548580
>>3548580
This is not anime eyes. Look at any anime eyes.

Is there a program that simulates applying different kinds of lighting to the basic forms? Something that can do stuff like pic related from keys to drawing. I've been studying by taking objects outside or using flashlights to apply lighting at different angles. I don't know much about 3DCG tools, can Blender or some other program do what I'm talking about?

>>3550046
Just draw real things.

>>3550039
>hairy lines
Is there a specific way to improve on this?
>right hand
Not sure how to explain what happened there. Just half-assed it.
>Show that in her clothes, expression, posture, attitude
The underlying gesture is pretty static, I haven't studied how to draw clothes and I know how to draw exactly one type of face. The main reason I am pleased with this drawing is it came out looking proportional and neat compared to my previous drawings. I think I rushed to finish it after doing the head and bow around her neck and it shows.

>>3550047
That's why I'm attempting to do form studies, so I can work up to drawing more complex forms, yes.

>try to find drawn references for bishounen/twinky males
>use gelbooru with a million tags
>can't find useful results, beefcakes and femboys as far as the eye can see
>join a populated ERP chatroom
>make a female character
>PM twink characters and ask for character references
>get dozens upon dozens of high quality drawn references to study

this is my best kept secret, use it wisely young ones

Decided to do some anime style, haven't done it in a while. It's fun.

Droppin off some weeb shit

What needs the most work??

>>3550085
>>3550078
>anime

>>3550086
I work on realistic portraits and figures>>3548906 mostly. I do enjoy delving into anime and noticing all the cool distortions that are being used to achieve the affect

In particular with regards to the eyes. Truly the nips have mastered the form because nearly everything of the eye on a regular human is present, albeit highly distorted, in the stylized version.

So, I started learning some time ago with the two webpages listed on the first post (drawabox and ctrlpaint, mostly because I just don't have time to read art bibles) and have been drawing boring shit like geometrical figures, arrows, lines, circles and all of that.

I'm in that annoying phase where I REALLY want to draw what I'd love to draw (vidya stuff) but I just don't know how to start or where. I feel like this box drawing and shit isn't taking me anywhere near my goal, so it's super frustrating.

When do I know I can finally start doing what I started drawing for? aka when can I start having fun? Or how do I even start?

Any advice is welcome. I feel extremely overwhelmed.

>>3550008
Thanks, that's kind of you to say, anon. It's supposed to be Lenny from the FX show Legion. I did another character but I didn't focus as much on this one. I'm trying to do more but it feels like I'm losing more and more energy after each drawing attempt, and it's harder to focus.

>>3550085
I don't dislike your work, but >>3550086 is right, this is not weeb-y at all.

>>3550100

You're not done with Draw-A-Box yet lad. Do all lessons 1-7, then move on to Hampton's Book to learn proportions of head and body and key placements of things. Fill in several journals doing all of this.The suffering won't end though, you can try drawing the things you want and cry in pain every time because it will always look like shit even as you did all of the above. Why? Because you won't get good enough to even impress your grandma until you're in your double digits of filled sketch books.

>>3550104
Yeah, but the thing is that there is no way for me to tell I'm making any progress. Sure, maybe I can make less wiggly lines, but that's about it.

>>3550110
Unless you're burning your sketchbooks. You're literally archiving everything. Do a monthly, semi-annual and annual event where you draw something from the previous period and compare.

>>3550100
So just draw what you want to draw.
It'll be shit, but at least it's what you wanted to do. Knowing it's shit will hopefully make you want to keep progressing through those lessons, which you should not stop, but do something you want to do on the side.This is study, but you should at least taste why you're going through this hell.

how many months will it take for me to have good lines? i'm doing the exercises perscribed by dynamic sketching & drawabox and i am not close at all to a decent level and my lines end up missing ):!

Been copying a couple Chris Sanders drawings, i think I'm close to figuring out this style
also trying out some cheap watercolor markers

Tips for freehanding so that my entire arm doesn't hurt like shit after 10 minutes?

>>3550153
I feel like I really screwed up with these markers

>>3550156
>>3550153
first two look good but the second 2 look weird

>>3547114
been learning to draw with keys for half a month now. when does it get easier.

>>3550168
It doesn't

>>3550100
The important part people seem to keep missing for some reason is the critique. That's how you bridge drawing for fun and fundamental exercises. Draw something for fun, get critique on it in a place that's NOT HERE, grind the appropriate exercises based on your weaknesses, and post those exercises here to check if they're good.

>>3550085
What makes your kind so unaware that this doesn't look like any kind of anime but a horrible tumblr style trying to copy anime and failing horribly?

>>3550100
Just do it you stupid motherfucker.

>tfw someone posts their art asking for crits, so you give them a crit but upon re-reading it you realize it sounds mean and hurtful.
>tfw the artist replies but clearly has their feelings hurt and your post is the only crit they get
>tfw you wait until they work up the courage to post again in a different thread and you write differently than you did in the previous thread and tell them you like their art because you felt bad

Anyone else know this feel?

>>3550267
same

>>3550267
it's okay Anon, sometimes all you can do is apologize

>>3550267
>have their feelings hurt
NGMI

>>3550146
Practicing lines is useless, good lines come from practicing your other fundies with a pen and drawing a lot and fast

60 second gesture drawings. am I doing this right?

Can I learn the fundamentals from copying manga?

practising some eyes

>>3550335
i can never het my eyes like that. fucking tell me how

>>3550089
>Truly the nips have mastered the form because nearly everything of the eye on a regular human is present

>>3550046
Blender, or any other 3d software, should be able to do it

>>3550154
>hurt like shit after 10 minutes?

How do you draw? Do you tape your pencil onto a kettlebell?

>>3550100

> I feel like this box drawing and shit isn't taking me anywhere near my goal, so it's super frustrating.

just split you time between the lessons and the stuff that you want to draw, then you can compare your old drawings with the new ones and see how much you are improving

>>3550146
depend how bad your lines are now and the way that you are studying

>>3550198
not him, but I blame the "just learn anatomy" mentality

>>3550267
>>3550272
>having feelings
NGMI

>>3550377
on the topic of NGMI, how do I incorporate a head with the bean/robo bean method?

>>3550336
i started reading vilppu drawing manual
he talks about how you should feel the form and how you should express the volume

i just started making my eyes more "round"
and started to analyze more from refrences

>>3550158
That's cool, nice values but it's a bit messy and there's something not quite right with the hair. I'm not really qualified to tell you how to improve though

>>3550282
>that image size
no

>>3550381
Head + neck has as much height as half the bean. Cranium is again half of this. Jaw is slightly less than half of the cranium.

>>3550381
Mount a short cylinder slightly forward of the top of the torso and attach a head to that.

Is there a style of art that suits the artist with no skills?

>>3550465

Hi, how am I going? I have some trouble with line weight.

>>3550499
Just Draw™

>>3550511
Not going to touch the "style" (there's a lot i would fix, facial feature wise, and other elements to combat flatness), but hope this'll help you a bit.
Lineweight needs work but there's some more glaring issues in my opinion, like the formless blob you use for her hair. Just look at your ref and try to pick up the shapes/ribbons that drop from her skull. Also don't do shading like it's a drop shadow, again just observe the forms.
You tapered her neck to her chin, which looks just awkward, try to understand that the neck is a cylinder supporting the skull.
Halfassed redline attached, I don't have my wacom here.

>>3550556
If you want to tell me more about what would you do about the style, please do so. Anyways, thanks a lot anon.
I definitely agree that it feels flat, what else would you do? I tried to fix this in the shading part, but obviously it has to be tridimensional in the lineart first.
Thanks again anon.

I'm so anxious and nervous wanting to finish this. I want to incorporate P&S's style but add some actual muscle def. Anyone care to redline?

>>3550282
>am I doing this right?
>that top left picture
No.

>>3550577
De fucking lete
ty.

How do I make drawing as addictive as heroin so that I practice more?

>>3550577
What are pants?

>>3550588
Make it a habit.

>>3550588
Don't wait for inspiration. You'll never get fit if you wait for inspiration. You can't gain knowledge if you wait and so on, you have to just do it and if it's something you really want to do the inspiration will stick with you.

>>3550590
It's a gesture drawing, not pants drawing.

>>3550603
Gesture does not affect pants.

>>3550565

>>3550565
the leg muscles don't seem to mirror.

>>3550632
Fuck me you're right.

how do I make a diagonal line with my shoulder only, am I supposed to move my torso?

>>3549648
Stop outlining. Understand the forms. Study the anatomy. Work from the inside out. Dont connect lines until you can recognize the form.

>start with the fundamentals
What did they mean by this? I've seen the sticky and its recommended learning paths, but whenver I see people discuss the topic of where to start as beginner, people have differing opinions.
Does one just draw while following some guidelines/book, or is there really some golden path a beginner must stay on? Learning a new skill will of course take time and effort, but I would hate to learn bad habits

>>3550665
I guess what i'm going for right now is making sure i'm not going to symbol draw, learning some control over my lines and seeing proportions. I was going to start learning construction soon.

>>3550673
There is no one path. But learning perspective has never hurt anyone.

>>3550467
is it too large or too small?

>>3550673
I went to an art school a long time ago for two years-ish.
As far as I remember it was 2-3 lessons of drawing lines, boxes, dots, patterns
then half a year of drawing still life, with complexity increasing like transparency, mirrors, organic stuff etc. being added
then also models, models with things, in nature etc.

are there any good books at making fight scenes

>>3550695
Maybe you should read the threads you're posting in, start at the top.

>>3550503
work on proportions, those legs are crazy long

>>3550673
Fundamentals isn't just a buzzword it refers to the nost important concepts in drawing: form, perspective, proportions, anatomy, value, color.
The most basic are perspective, form and proportions, then value, anatomy and color. So when you are a beginner those first three are the ones you should focus on getting a grip on, for which reference studies are the best way to. It's an endless grind desu

>>3550672
What's up with that arm?

>>3550624
Is this worth salvaging?

>>3550790
Dat torso twist looks weird. Leg stance faces right, breast faces left, head faces right again.

>>3550796

>>3547114

>>3550821

>>3550823

>>3550824
I hope doing gesture shit is not worthless and i will learn something from it.
despite Tremor.
Would it be too dumb to use my wrist for drawing proportional studies (on paper just like my gesture drawings, they are nondigital as well, but drawn with my arm, not wrist)?
I have to learn proportions, drawing with my arm is hard if i want to get proportions right
because of Tremor/ shaky hand

>>3549536
Everyone can make it. Even me as I procrastinate while looking at other people's art to make me feel worse.

>>3550826
What the fuck are you even trying to say.

>>3550561
Doesn't have to be in the lineart, just don't do that flat shading as if it's two overlapping pieces of paper. Didn't spend a lot of time on it but here's the general idea I guess. Oh, and I couldn't be bothered touching up the hair but the same applies. Look for the shapes, block in the shades and highlights.

>>3550803
It looks weird here too.

>>3550511
can you post the original reference, I want to have a go at it.

Something I started for fun turned into something annoying because I can't figure out metal and light.

Still fun, but fuck metal.

We're reaching the end of the thread, and to procrastinate drawing a little more, I just want to congratulate everyone here who is putting forth an effort in their art and their goal towards improvement. I hope you all keep at it, even if it gets frustrating or hard or you want to quit because you think you'll never make anything good. Please keep trying!

>>3550882
Goddammit, this is the second time I've killed a thread by posting this cursed image

Is it a good idea to learn how to shade/paint early on even if my line drawing ability is lacking, or should I just keep practicing my lines until I improve (hopefully) and learn about value later?

i just started doing exercises
i have no one to critique my work and show my faults
im not sure if im doing them properly and dont know how to start on studies
any help would be great

>>3551135
exercise 1

>>3551137
exercise 2

>>3551139
exercise 3

>>3551140
exercise 4

what are peoples thoughts of learning to draw by making a webcomic? I know it'd be best to practice and then make an actual story, but I feel like I would be more committed to practice if it was in the process of making an actual project. And if it is an ok idea, would it be better to do standalone strips and save ideas for any grand narrative until I have the art to support it?

How would you suggest i learn how to do architecture? I've read and done the exercises of perspective made easy and how to draw.

>>3551306 Only one way.

Step 1: Draw some architecture
Step 2: Figure out what about the picture you drew looks like shit
Step 3: Research and get critiques to learn how to fix the problem(s)
Step 4: Repeat

This is the case for literally any type of art.

>>3551306
i think that you're asking this, cause you feel stuck or confused how to achieve a certain step.

if you done the exercise in Perspective made easy, then you should have no problem drawing building or architecture in general

sorry about my shitty lines. i was just rushing the furniture. is this figure correct? does the perspective of the figure match the perspective of the furniture?

*cries*

>>3547114
making the plunge into digital

>>3550860
I tried to say:
Is it okay to do proportion studies with my wrist instead of my arm because of my shaky hands (medical issue)?
For the gesture drawings I always use my arm and shoulder.

>>3551564

>>3551575

>>3551576

>>3551577

>>3551580

>>3551455
2/2
>my face and pose when i try to draw a figure in a challenging pose and it actually makes but just ends up looking cringy
>my face and pose when this thread is probably going to close after i post this before i get a critique

anyways decided to start working on figure so i tried this. the lines of the head and body are disjointed because i drew the figure small at first then transformed it to make it bigger, then drew the head after. im mostly worried about everything, getting the head right from this angle, placement of the head, shoulders, foreshortening etc,

pls nothing about lineweight to show depth blah blah, i paint (poorly) so it just gets covered anyways

>>3551564
You can do whatever you want but these these look absolutely fine as is.

>>3551455
Her feet wont even be able to touch the ground if the legs were to dangle off of the sofa. What's up with the gap between her butt and the back of the sofa? She does not even seem to rest her back on the back of the sofa. And who the hell reads like that?

>>3550046

You can do this with your brain's OS by learning perspective's effect on lighting. Then you can just change the a light's position in your imagination and sorta rough out the shades and tones.

It's what I do at least and it's better brain training than actually going outside and photographing shit or finding shaders for blendy blend.

>>3551664
>And who the hell reads like that?
i dont know i dont read ever so i wouldnt know how to sit but after looking at some refs youre right they usually rest back. okay so shes reading a nudie mag so she has to hold the magazine close to her face. she just bought the ottoman so sure feels obligated to use it as a footrest even though no one does that shit. does that work?
>Her feet wont even be able to touch the ground if the legs were to dangle off of the sofa
so i can just make the couch shorter right?
>What's up with the gap between her butt and the back of the sofa?
the pillow i didnt draw yet
>She does not even seem to rest her back on the back of the sofa
that why im asking you guys. maybe because the pillow? or is the back still too big?

realized how awkward the head/neck would be on the other so i re positioned it

>>3551455
What is the horizontal line supposed to be?

>>3550085
It needs less work, actually. Anime is flat. Do not render your anime.

This goes for all noobs, I repeat:

DO NOT RENDER YOUR ANIME!

Top to bottom critique:

Hair looks tall and voluminous, very good. Hair clumps aren't sharp enough, focus on making them look pointy. The bangs look good, save for that side burn thing. I can't tell if it's part of the bangs or a sideburn because of the way it's not really wrapping around any plane.

The far ear is in poor perspective and should be barely visible at that angle as the front plane of the face would obscure it and the puffy hair would cover part of it. Over rendered, too.

Weeb Eyebrows don't have shading or outer contours, they're just black strokes with thickness that increases as it approaches the glabella. Practice making z shapes that adhere to the contour of the forehead and obey the stylization principles mentioned above.

Eye shape is good and surprisingly symmetrical. Though the the lashes on the closer eye are shit because the thickest lashes exist on the opposite side of the tear duct.

Nose is over rendered, anime noses are nothing more than triangular dots. No philtrum is needed, either.

Mouth is over rendered. Just put a rounded W shape to represent the parting of the lips. Take perspective in consideration for overlapping at that angle. Keep the little arc under the lips which represents where the chin sits between those two thick lip muscles.

Chin is shaped well and neck is good if you ignore the over rendering.

Flowers will never have 11 petals. They only exist in multiples of 2, 3, and 5.

Don't put signatures on your work until you can sell them and this shit wouldn't cost a dime.

Oh yeah, hair is overrendered.

>>3551682
where the baseboard meets the flooring but i might change how the whole 'room' is. it was just a reference for the, probably wrong, perspective.

should i just fucking change it so that shes laying across the couch the way normal people do instead of my retarded foreshortened furniture idea?

>>3550381

According to Prokopenko, the bean should not be used for any actual gesture work, it's more for figuring out creases when the torso bends. Ultimately, you should be figuring out how to put a cranium over a gesture sketch.

Go see Proko's proportion lesson and you'll learn how to use divisions of the body to figure out the general size of body parts.

>>3551245
If this is your first writing as well it's best to get it out of the way as the chances of your first story being the quality you think is low. Of course if you want to do gag a day strips that's one thing, but don't be afraid of doing a story with a narrative as at worst you'll learn how to better execute one down the line. But you do have the right idea, having a project to put your grinding into practice is a good idea.

>>3551139
The worst part here is that the pedestal is out of alignment, making the bust look like it's about to tip over.

What's wrong with mechanical pencils?

>>3551773
Work on an 11x15 sketchbook and you'll find out. There's nothing really wrong if you're looking for that kind of line or working on line confidence, but they cut into the page and have no variety. I use them for sketching sometimes when I'm feeling cheap.

>>3551670
I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense. You can't claim to render lit objects with the same accuracy of a computer program. Light is strange. How are you sure that your core shadows are the right size, or your cast shadows are the right length? And that's only when one simple shape is involved. There's no way that when two or more are involved, you'll be completely accurate. How can you account for bounce light, subsurface scattering, ambient occlusion, different materials, especially without using resources?

We can strive to be generally correct, and with simpler things, we are. But I sincerely doubt your claim that your mind is as good as an object renderer.

>>3550046
Anon good on you for learning your fundies. Using references will get you way farther than claiming your mind is "an OS". I agree with the other posters who say to use Blender, as it's a great resource. Don't completely discount what you've been doing with your own lights and objects - still lifes are the bread and butter of art.

Best wishes.

>>3551827
>But I sincerely doubt your claim that your mind is as good as an object renderer.
It's better because what comes out of it is aesthetic. Y'know the most important part of art.

>>3551827

wrong.

Light is very predictable and as long as you know what you're doing, you can use that knowledge to make a rendering as accurate or stylized as you want. you said so yourself that lighing is weird. so there is a degree of error in 3d programs just based off of that assertion. come back when you learned the components of light and shadow, kid.

for the record, blender is shit. i know because i've used it for years.

>>3551245
this >>3551730

>>3551948
right now i do 4 types of excercise:
-gesture drawing with my arm on paper

- Proportion studies with my wrist on paper (because of my shaky Hands (medical issue))

-stilllife with my arm on paper

- digital value studies (i will try to be less lazy with the values in the future)


How am I doing?
I hope I will improve, the last 3 years were okay at best... and i dont even aim to become professional...

>>3552013
(though 1,5 years ago i didnt even know what gesture drawings are, and i didnt do any value studies since 3 months ago, and i didnt do them often since then)

>>3552015

>>3552015
so we see...

JK, it actually looks good as a thumbnail.

>>3552016

>>3552021

How good would you guys say Shadman is? How long would it take to be able to draw like him if that's my only goal in art and I spend 2-3 hours a day?

>>3552025
Proportion shit (i didn't do this often because i thought i could avoid drawing with my wrist, but because of Tremor i use my wrist for Proportion studies now)

>>3552031
you cannot plan improving.
just draw.
today

>>3552033
Proportion study, so i used lots of gesture with this sketch.

Looks stiff i think, but how are the proportions?

>>3552036

>>3551837
Aesthetic is derived from the real world. You can't stylize if you don't know what to distort.


>>3551924
Yes, I agree that computer programs would be flawed. But don't you think that our perception would be more flawed? It's nice to have a way to double check, rather than blindly trusting our flawed, symbol drawing, simplifying eyes?

>>3552019
do you have any valuable advice for me?
please

>>3552041
and my last one:
some trash Tier ellipses draw a box shit

>>3552043

>>3552013
looks good to me.
how long have you been doing this?

>>3552073
most of it i didnt do often; only gesture drawings i do for a longer time now.
i do gesture for 1,5 years now, though not every day, sometimes i did 1 month breaks...

i thought it would be innefective to do proportion studies with my wrist; but now i decided i give it a try.
i want to get them right.
my goal is drawing comics, and my comics are abysmal.
i practice drawing, to draw better comic characters.
the characters are supposed to be recognizable from panel to panel, i have no consistency
(because i didnt know any good excercise for a long time, and then i only did gesture drawings.
now i do more diverse excercises)

I've been trying to get into drawing and started practicing around November of last year. I have a lot of friends who play tabletop RPGs and have very low standards, so I enjoy drawing their RPG characters for them and in the process I try to learn a new technique each time I do (using different refs, watching / reading guides on techniques, etc).

I know I'm still absolute ass but I feel like I may finally be pulling away from stick figures. I just need to keep finding the areas I need to be focusing most heavily on.

>>3552087
might be not a good tip,
but maybe make the Deltoid/ shoulder less round/ bubble-shaped .
look at shoulder refs

>>3552092
Yeah, the whole time I was working on this one I kept eyeballing that shoulder because it just kept looking 'off'. I changed it probably 40 times until finally just moving on to make sure I could get this thing done by my friend's next DnD game. I'm going to do more anatomy studies in the meantime.

>>3552041
Less detail. You're committing to too much before you even begin your rough sketch. The gesture is supposed to be vague and non-discernable to the final product. This will allow you to exaggerate a pose before moving to mannequinization and the lay in.

>>3552016
I like your lines. Mine are always terrible chicken scratches.
>>3552043
Do the ovals help with that?

I'm getting a feeling that fun with pencil actually is a meme.
>How to draw a head:
>Draw a ball
>Divide it, draw a nose in the center
>Just fucking draw everything else
>It's so simple, now you try it.

>>3552103
i thought lay in is supposed tp be realistic without exxageration

>>3552108
FWAP and a lot of other guides do a poor job of teaching the absolute beginner. They never go over the fundamentals of the fundamentals, and assume you're already semi competent at the early stages.

>>3552106
>>Draw a ball
yes do drawabox shit to get better at line work.

i have ugly shaky Hands, because i am disabled Retard.
but even then you can get better with doing this:
http://drawabox.com/

not bad
i like the gesture

>>3552081

Looks likes you are on the right path, just keep going.

But don't forget to have fun.

>>3552128
can you tell me what is meant with "construction"?

this term confuses me, because in a way you are always constructing something when you draw.

Any tutorial for this?
How good do i have to be to do construction?
Perfect at every draw a box lesson? or total beginner? Or more in the middle?

>>3552128
ok now i know what construction means.
it is that loomis mannequin stuff.

you think i am ready for construction?

Is construction something I am supposed to do from imagination (at some point i guess)?

>you think i am ready for construction?

yes. anyone should start out using construction until they do not need it anymore.

>Is construction something I am supposed to do from imagination (at some point i guess)?

As you get better you should be able to draw without needing to draw the constructions lines (just thinking it) if that what you mean then yes.