/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3541301
you forgot this

Can someone help me with perspective. I feel like a brainlet for not getting this right. I want to rotate the boxes in perspective like pic related. But they feel wrong. Is there a guide for this or something?

Redline pls. I cut her forearm, should the head be back further?

fucking charcoal, how does it work??

>>3541347
Could be more of a leg issue, trying to be economic with space.

Im doing face draw exercises from keys to drawing, the problem is that I have no one to model for me and drawing myself from the mirror is uncomfortable as fuck, especialy when drawing head turned to an angle. Can I simply draw from pictures like pic related? I heard its not good when learning to draw but what else am i supposed to do

>>3541399
ur cute anon ;)

>>3541344
Every box has its own three point perspective. You fucked up the part where you yolo the other two vanishing points to be close enough. Also Robertson if you really, really want to know the asspain that is doing it the right way with geometry and shit.

I already asked this but here is my piece of shit how do i study anatomy

>>3541437
Im not good myself but I'm breaking down body parts and going through them that way.

Faces/Heads are gonna be a huge topic of study by themselves to i just mark them with a direction line before doing the body

So how are you actually suppoded to "read" an art book? Like, say Loomis. Are you supposed to just draw every page. Skim over the images until you find something interesting? Read every parapgraph of drivel until it makes sense? Ignore it?

How do you know when you've "gone through" an art book.

>>3541447
Art books are best ignored.

>>3541447
Idk about loomis, but im currently reading keys to drawing, theres an exercise after every hunk of information so I just draw according to exercise, sometimes several times until it looks decent

>>3541437
The Hitokaku books are very good resources for beginners interested in learning anime imo. They dont get recommended often because /ic/ wants weebs to learn loomis first, but i dont personally see an issue jumping into Hitokaku first.

Search the archives and you should find a mega link to 3 art books that teach how to draw heads/faces, bodies, and clothing. The bodies one is the first starting point. They are in japanese however.

>>3541344
Pages 56 to 65 of Succesful Drawing by Loomis deal with drawing inclined planes in perspective.
The short version is that you get ascending/descending 'fake' horizons for planes that are angled relative to the ground.

>>3541412
thank you for responding
>You fucked up the part where you yolo the other two vanishing points to be close enough.
could you give me an example for that?
>Also Robertson if you really, really want to know the asspain that is doing it the right way with geometry and shit.
already working my way through it. i'm at the elipses

>>3541477
>>3541476
thank you 2
i think i got it know kinda

>>3541480
now*

>>3541449
Ridiculous. You dont HAVE to use them but you get their wisdom of years of doing this shit, it helps.

>>3541455
I read some of Keys too, its more organized. Loomis is more like a reference guide with lots of examoles, it doesnt really tell you what to do after the first couple chaps. I reference it occasionally but honestly I rather just use real pics instead of his 50s pinups. Hampton does it better anyways.

What exercises should i be doing to study construction? I did drawabox for a while but i gave up. Should i go back to it?

>>3541497
Do dynamic sketching instead

i just want to draw cute things

>>3541497
It's simple shapes and forms that look good on their own that make construction useful. You hit your target and make an appealing composition.

>>3541513
Me too but the results are amusingly horrifying.

>>3541519
Hey this actually looks okay. Try putting similar faces on smalls goblin-like creatures and I'm sure it'll look great.

how do you learn to stop chicken scratching?

>>3541532
Pen.

>>3541534
How is that any different than just using a pencil and not erasing?

>>3541542
You stop chicken scratching with Draw-a-Box lesson 1

>>3541519
are you trying to emulate the style of a particular cartoon series with those heads? a particular artist?

>>3541546
Just fucking with big head proportions before I move into thick bodies and then long torsos. Mostly placeholder faces, I was feeling moral orel that day. I have something I'm trying to find and it's going to take a lot of work so I've just made it a part of fucking around.

>>3541553
i was just going to say the advice i've seen predominantly on /ic/ has been to avoid developing your own style until you're far along and have a developed skillset but idk im a noob

How the fuck do I draw a smooth line that doesn't look all shaky and shitty?

>>3541558
On paper?

>>3541563
Yes, I just started so I don't have a drawing tablet or anything like that.

>>3541558
With pencil?

>>3541567
Yeah

>>3541558
With practice.

How do you emulate an artist?

>>3541568
draw faster, line confidence. thats why people do those autistic circle and line exercises

>>3541557
Playing with proportion on the side doesn't count. Studies and master copies get boring and since my goal isn't to be a photocopier, there's a lot of freedom in how to work towards not being shit. I realized I forgot half the muscle groups I knew after taking a long break and need to go back through anatomy a few more times.

>>3541513
>>3541519
everyone starts out bad, anons

at least this is what I tell myself every day

>>3541593
it sounds like you know what youre doing i was only trying to relay advice ive seen from other people in case it would be helpful i didnt mean to sound condescending

Why is perspective so tedious?

>>3541618
idk but it's cool as fug desu

>>3541617
It's always worth pointing out because beginners (and /ic/ in general) are autistic and dogmatic. Hell, I agree with it for the most part. Draw from life, do studies. Do other things that help you rationalize them.

>>3541618
Must be nice in digital since you can extend the perspective lines way out of the field of view of the image.

>>3541437
this might help?
Try to study real people, of course, but I think it may be more useful for you to focus on individual body parts rather than the entire body, all at once.
Maybe do legs right now. You can either go on /s/ and draw the girls there, or look up "fashion runway" on Google and draw the model's legs. Focus on the volumes (3D shapes) instead of the outer contours of them.

what is figure drawing and why is it useful?

>>3541678
is wen you draw your dick and compare to other people dicks

I don’t know if it’s cool to shill discord’s here but if any of you are looking for a beginner friendly art community with funny boys in it. https://discord.gg/RvHW2RS Need more dedicated people who want to improve

>>3541681
Can I call someone a nigger jokingly and not get banned?

>>3541681
How much furshit can I post?

How do I stop my work looking too much like others work?
I reference a lot but I've heard people say it looks a little too much like what I'm referencing.
I want to draw porn from imagination but I don't know how to draw these things without a reference.

>>3541618
>Why is perspective so tedious?
it's not.
you're a beginner.
you're doing it mechanically.
you haven't learned shapes.
you haven't learned there are hundreds of techniques available in construction and simplification (you need basics and shapes to grasp them tho).

>>3541683
It’s encouraged

>>3541710
>I don't know how to draw these things without a reference.
anything that isn't fundamentally a copy needs strong fundamentals. you simply have to know what you're doing. and a lot is happening in even the simplest sketch.

>>3541710
those contours are an eyesore dude clearly your fundies are lacking if your line quality is that shit

>>3541713
Not him but explain all of this please...

>>3541732
Shut up and draw more.

>>3541736
So you don’t know what you’re talking about. Okay

>>3541713
Yea lad, that's why studios constantly draw over 3D models or use images of actual city-scapes.

>>3541750
No anon, don’t you see? You just have to draw shapes, learn hundreds of secret construction techniques and then all of the hard perspective work will be done for you! Simple as that.

>>3541301
trying to learn how to draw cause i love comics and man its fuckinghard to draw eyes. any advice guys?

I'm studying figure drawing and I'm confused what they mean when they say drawing through the form. Does it mean if one leg is blocking the other draw whatever is hiding? Any useful videos or something that explains this better?

>>3541621
Thanks lad
>>3541663
Yeah setting up grids is way easier in photoshop. Mapping everything out and drawing it in perspective still takes some time though.
>>3541713
Eh, I think perspective is inherently tedious by nature, at least tight line drawings are. That’s why a lot of professionals use 3D programs or use photos.

>>3541761
>Does it mean if one leg is blocking the other draw whatever is hiding?
That, or being aware of the hidden side of the form and add some contour lines so you know where it is. People fuck up necks and noses or the arm on the far side of the figure because they aren't thinking about what the hidden side of a form is doing or how and where they connect as a 3D form. The number one cause of fuck ups is not making sure simple shapes connect where they should.

>>3541777
Thanks anon I understand it better now. Seems simple enough.

>>3541760
stop symbol drawing faggot and learn what the eye is, including the bone and skin forms surrounding it.

>>3541787
how do i stop this symbol drawing

>>3541704
What are you doing on /beg/? Did they get rid of the drawing generals while I was gone?

>>3541786
I don't think anyone actually knows what it means when they say it, just that it always leads to cross contours or figuring out where the other asscheek is. Sometimes I've seen it mean throwing down some perspecive lines along with the contour and finding the other ear so the jaw connects right. Other times it's literally drawing through a form when someone does two rectangles to make a torso.

>>3541803
I started drawing around 3 months ago. I can't draw consistently well yet, this is my best so far pretty much.

>>3541809
what you been using to draw. books ect ect

>>3541811
Just the entry level Loomis stuff as well as videos from https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5dyu9y0EV0cSvGtbBtHw_w
I've mostly just been drawing different poses and stuff i still can't into foreshortening or weird perspective.

>>3541618
The thing with perspective is that it's tedious to set up, but makes it easy to build upon what you already have. It seems to me like you've drawn a one-point perspective grid and set up some big, basic forms on it, but you're not trying to break up these forms or add onto them. Everything is painted flat onto your boxes. The doorway at the right has no thickness - why not give it a front plane (camera front), like the larger houses you've built? Why are all your houses perfect boxes, with no variations for trims, features such as doors and windows, roof heights, room extensions, street clutter, even small details such as some stones jutting out.

Don't rush. You've got a lot of fine detail such as your stone textures in the facades and street, then it looks like you got fed up and finished parts of the drawing in a couple minutes (like the back of the street or these hanging flags). I can clearly see potential in what you're drawing here, don't waste it. I'd say you're approaching micro detail too soon and should carefully plan out more form changes (following your perspective grid) before you jump into texturing.

(Also, what's with the cast shadows from the buildings being significantly darker than their form shadows? We can clearly see the road and buildings are the same value when lit, so their shadows should be the same as well).

>>3541814
sry that was way too big.

r8 please

>>3541814
which loomis book

>>3541809
While I can definitely see a few fuckups now that I look at it closely (hand, certain connections such as the shoulder or base of the neck being a bit unclear), you have amazing line control and ability to depict form for someone who's been drawing since "around 3 months ago".

I would be very curious to see your progress from then to now if you're willing to post it, as I'm sure it'd be an interesting sight.

>>3541732
I think all that is just a pretentious way of saying "You eventually learn to eyeball it".

>>3541830
Sure, but it ain't pretty.
I will say i did a lot of drawing when i was younger but i never truly studied, but i guess i put hours grinding nonetheless.

>>3541834
does anybody have a before and after with keys to drawing?

>>3541834
You might be one of the rare few people I've seen on here apply themselves diligently to studying, and more importantly, doing it with a brain. Keep it up.

>>3541817
About the door closest to the camera. I did try to give it some thickness but I think it may have gotten lost in the shadow. You’re right about the houses being perfect cubes, I should’ve tried to vary them some more. I didn’t use any reference either and I think it shows since everything looks very simple. You’re also right about me getting lazy, I had planned to add some more windows and doors to the street in shadow but just kinda got tired and gave up. Also about the shadows, I assumed that cast shadows were darker than form shadows since they receive no light at all and that’s why I made them a lot darker but I guess I got that wrong.

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to give me some feedback. I’ll be sure to keep it in mind for next time.

>>3541843
Thank you so much man, it means a lot to hear that. for real!

>>3541833
That’s still wrong though imo. Eyeballing is for when you’re sketching or doing thumbnails. When you’re actually laying things down properly, everyone at least uses a grid.

>>3541301
does anybody have a before and after with keys to drawing. i wanna know if i should got to it first before loomis

>>3541853
>>3541750
please be bait. just find any video by any decent painter that isn't mentally retarded.

>>3541853
Most artists can't be bothered. You just use a ruler and hope for the best.

R8

The eyes are assymetrical, and there are some other obvious flaws, crits would still be appreciated.

>>3541791
read the sticky on the first page of this board

>>3541890
for the 12th time?

>>3541760

you're not symbol drawing idk why that guy's crabbing about that and your eyes are fine the rest of your heads (nose for example) is really poorly drawn. you shouldn't bother with imitating that style until you can understand the head better. you should draw portraits from reference with all of the details left intact until you can better understand what features are where and how they look in perspective.

Would continuing be turd polishing?
Also my measurements seem to be off, but i can tell where.

>>3541618
because you practice it far less than anything else
just incorporate it into your art more and itll feel more and more natural as you go

>>3541677
this is really REALLY nice, like damn

>>3541677
not the original artist anon you are crit'ing, but i appreciate this

>>3541973
If something feels weird and you can't figure it out, flipping an image sometimes helps.

getting better at hands, but still struggling massively with the body, any tips would be greatly appreciated

I tried to draw her too.

>>3541301
Tryna get into animation

do my values seem okay? it seems like the shaded area inside the wall is a bit to light but i dont know. also, do the base colors seem to work? i dont really like the greens i chose

anyone have good courses or video tutorials for pose and portrait rendering?

>>3541973
yes would be turd polishing only because you seem to be struggling with not seeing what you draw as forms with shadows and instead as symbols of what you think they look like. you draw these outlines where its actually a shadow. look at your drawing side by side the real thing and look at what your lines actually represent. Like the Sticky says, try doing a photo study with an upsidown reference, only turning it right side up when youre finished.
Also i acknowledge that outlines are used for cartoon art, but the idea is that the form can be represented without shadow, which you need to study anatomy and realism before you can do. keep practicing tho, your lines look a little raggedy and something like that can only be fixed with practise.

>>3541905
this.

I made the stupid decision to start with style instead of the fundamentals and construction, and I would say it made my drawings worse. Thank god I managed to un-retard myself

>>3541348
That piece as a whole is ok, just the shadows are just straight black with no values to lighter shades. Focus on the light and dark tones and your midtones

Also, to use charcoal, you need to smudge it while drawing, which involves rags, your fingers and using the eraser as a drawing tool instead of getting rid of mistakes.

>>3541973

I drew this from a photo reference. The hair needs more work but I am proud of the rest of the face. Anything I should improve on?

>>3542147
Looks very bland.

>>3542211
yeah, don't be afraid to use a wider range of values in your shading. your dark areas need to be dark.

>>3542216
what do you mean

>>3542189
>fundamentals
what do you mean by this?

tard here. keep hearing artist talk about this and don't understand what they mean

>>3542147
>do my values seem okay?
No. It's a good start, but go over it one more time and add some darker values. Like buddy above says, it's very flat so it looks bland.

>>3541819
6/10 for a /beg/
you can do better

>>3542236
>what do you mean by this?
I think it's a catch-all meme term to explain things like using basic shapes to construct whatever object you're drawing, plus knowing basic skeleton, musculature and how they move/interact, proper shading based on light source, etc.

lately I'm been experimenting with acrylic and been testing with a cheap permant marker is their any alternative way over drawing over paint without ruining markers or pens or do I just have to be really careful with the paint, also I still have to work on my lining what are some good pens for smoother lines

There is a phrase saying chefs who have dirty aprons are inferior. Are painter smocks similar to a chefs apron in that regard? Every picture of an artist I see they are covered in paint.

>>3541301
So....How the fuck am i supposed to study Drawing the head and hands by Andrew Looman. do i copy the picture or just read and think about it then ponder the meaning of life before shoving the book up my ass

>>3542254
short answer: yes
long answer: read it, copy the drawings, but most importantly take the principles you learned reading and drawing and apply them in practice. One small exercise I suggest is finding a photo you like of a head and face, and try to recreate it accurately from the different perspectives and angles you learned in drawing the head and hands.

>>3542246
>what are some good pens for smoother lines
The most important thing is to git gud. Your lines are messy squiggles because that's the way you draw them.
There are different pens, though. I found this review of brush pens for calligraphers. https://www.jetpens.com/blog/the-best-brush-pens-for-lettering-and-calligraphy/pt/621
Just, you know, don't blame the tools if you still can't draw.

I don't really know about acrylic, but I expect it's possible. You just need something that won't dissolve or rub off the paint.

How do I make peace with the fact that I will always suck compared to a master?

>>3542282
lower your expectations and you won't disappoint yourself

>>3542282
The same way you do with anything else? Focus on your own problems and don't think too much about how everyone else is doing.
Set up smaller goals along the way and achieve them one by one.

>>3542282

How many hours a day should I be putting into this if I want to see results within a few months?

>>3542240
is this any better?

>>3542355
You are drawing what you see, but not seeing what is actually there.

>>3542359
what im not even using a single ref whatsoever

>>3542359
>>3542373
i mean ffs im not even remotely close to being done. i was just asking if my base values/colors are okay and someone said to go darker so thats what im asking about

>>3542355
The things that should cast shadows do not.

>>3542377
lmao calm down lady

>>3542381
are you talking about the fucking gate? i havent gotten to that yet, everything else like the pots/plants/trees would be off canvas

>>3542384
>>3542377
Wow dude, sensitive much? I don't think you are gonna make it if you can't handle criticism

>>3542388
>you can't handle criticism
you can't even take constructive criticism

lol why does this guy always get so angry

>>3542395
Because. He tried so hard~

>>3542382
>>3542388
>>3542391
gay niggers. i asked about a specific issue and instead of being answered i was directed to some poorly identified issue which i actually already acknowledged.

>>3542395
>>3542398
because youre gay niggers that pull a bunch of nigger tactics like "but can you do this?" (endless nitpicking, because thats so clever) instead of acting like civilized white people that just answer the fucking question being asked

>>3542355
It seems you put time into this but what's the story behind it?

>>3542402
>The /ic/ people... They're out to get me!

>>3542348

All of them!
but serious, that depend of you mean by results, and you actual level of skill

>>3542407
one time i liked architectural/landscape type stuff so this is what i came up with, not much to it. i dont think im into the whole 'worlding building' thing some artists get into. BUT i really really really like the painting 'sunlight and shadow' by albert brierstadt so that was the inspiration for this
https://www.wikiart.org/en/albert-bierstadt/sunlight-and-shadow-1862

>>3542411
you havent seen my official award for not improving have you?

>>3542411
good movie choice

>>3542147
The greens work. It's okay in thumbnail, but the shadows are too warm and the wall could be desaturated a bit. There's also something off about the value structure that doesn't make the composition pop.

>>3542399
>>3542402

>>3542427
i think youre right about the wall saturation, but it seems when i go even slightly towards the center or left, the color gets lost, a LOT. the current colors are about 85, 40, 40 which is a bit right of center.

>There's also something off about the value structure that doesn't make the composition pop.
maybe i should try desaturating the further walls more than the nearer to imply greater depth? i was hoping it would read as going 'deeper' into the corner

>>3542427
Figured it out. I can't up the contrast and pull the shadows down without the wall overwhelming the composition and the cast shadows on the floor still being a light tone. I'd get the wall closer in tone to the mitones on the trees and push the shadows darker.

>>3542443
ah okay that sort of what i was leaning towards. im probably going to need to make the shadow being cast on the tile quit a bit darker too. fuck i have my work cut out for on this one. thanks for your help

>>3542433
my mom reads this to me every fucking night whats your point

>>3542441
My eyes are telling me it's supposed to be a stucco pink or yellowish burnt sienna but my instagram filters are showing me either burnt umber or dog dick red. I'd go a lot lighter and closer to yellow, like a raw sienna or stucco pink that the edge near the gate implies, and imply heavier shadows with the magenta range it's sitting in right now.

This is what it reads as when pushed slightly, it's a very dark maroon right now.

>>3542454
that edge showing by the gate is super misleading so disregard it. i think the side in the light would be burnt sienna. and yellow is sorta gross. i intended for the red to be on the darker side regardless of lighting. i sort of wanted a contrast between the lighter tiles (even when shaded) and the darker wall. but that maroon is equally as bad as what i htink youre implying.

so here's what ive done since.
>followed other anons advice, destaturated a bit
>darkened the near portion and slightly lightened the further
>darkened the shadow on the tiles
>added general (to be further refined later) pattern to some of the header stones
>darkened the stone arches to match wall values
>darkened the deeper areas of trees

i think the color/values are starting to settle in better

>>3542475
I'm too lazy to actually color correct shadows or get the color exactly right, but this is what I meant about going light and warmer so you can make the shadows dark and cool without throwing off the balance.

>>3542483
And the ever important "can I make it better using some exposure sliders on a phone" test.

>>3542475
By the way, your perspective's a bit off on the right-side window. The top should curve differently.

>>3542498
Woohoo, I overcooked that one.

>>3541878
i know i am late, but i really like this. how long have you been drawing?

Rendering from imagination is hard.

>>3542500
will fix, thanks for pointing that out

>>3542483
>>3542498
thats actually interesting, ill see what i can pull off. that's part of why i wanted to do something like this, to challenge myself, specifically with lighting and value

is raster or vector better for drawing?

When I flip my art it looks fucking retarded, is that how people really see my art or is it to an extent just my brain playing tricks?

>>3542758
It's the real deal.

>>3542762
The one of the right looks significantly more deformed to me than the one of the left... Do both actually look messed up as fuck to you?

>>3542279
thanks for the input I'll try hard to follow what you say

>>3541513
i dont want to be annoying but can someone crit me even if its just to tell me im NGMI trash

>>3542763
It's just your brain used to the other one, both look similar to me. Fix things until you it looks good both ways, that's the best you can do.

>>3542774
Does it look fucking bad to you though, that's why I want to know because you are a set of fresh eyes.

>>3542777
It's not bad, some of the features seem ever so slightly misaligned and neck seems weird (could be due to lack of information in that area).
Here's what I like to do with eyes especially: hide the other eye from your view with your hand and imagine where it should fall. Then reveal where you've drawn it and see if it matches the logical position you came up with. Your brain should automatically imagine the symmetrical, "correct" position.

Has there ever been a notable artist who just followed a how to draw book and never developed their own style?

>>3542799
What do you mean by style?

>>3542799
what memes are you on
whenever you draw, you are doing things 'your way'.

Lets say I'm going to prison for 12 months, how should I go about using that time to learn to draw without access to any books?

>>3542806
whenever you're not getting raped or beaten down

Do i have any future?

>>3541335
>tfw almost featured
I'm ngmi, am I?

trying to grasp the figure dynamic. i cant get it down properly as obvious

green is with peeking
red is pure remembering and inventing.

/ic/ decides what i will try to render

>>3542560
well why do you do it then? use some refs

>>3542806
learn how to draw porn so when they try to assrape you, you can bribe them off

>>3542827
Unless you're an autist like chris-chan or a massive Manchild who will never take criticism like dobson you can always learn and improve. Now draw.

>>3541677
thanks

what are some good resources to learn rendering?

>>3541558
For big lines I find it really helpful to draw from the shoulder, not the wrist. It feels awkward but you'll get used to it with practice

>>3542878
Depends on how you want to render give an example image.

help me, /ic/

>>3541710
You can always ref from 3dpd porn stills for your poses and then stylize them appropriately

I feel like im improving but i cant tell. Eyes look like shit

The idea here was i would look at mistakes i made and try to fix them in next drawing, but that didn't really go all that well.

>>3542897
What's the point of drawing porn if the original already exists? In your mind every time you look at it you will only see the 3DPD you dressed up as your character and you'll never quite be able to find the right reference from the right angle to fit the drawing you want to make.

I hate that you have to reference to be good, it's like a big weight you have to carry around that makes you feel uncreative any guilty for copying.

It's not going to stop me from using them but I wish one day I'd be able to draw what I want from my head.

>>3542901
... and afterwards i tried to draw it once again from memory. Went way worse than i thought it would.

>>3542890
Your shapes are interesting. You ignored the guide line of the brow line completely though making in forehead very short. Keep it up bud.

>>3542901
>>3542905
Cats have a shape.

>>3542907
thanks big, here it is with color, ill be more carefull about that next time

>>3542912
reference

>>3542912
>>3542914

This is just great

>tfw my only improvement this month is drawing better dicks

What do you start with when doing construction lines for your character? I always start with the head, but I'm starting to doubt the relevancy of it.

>>3542932
PINGAS

>>3542958
Very general gesture, spine, then locate the pit of the neck and place the head.

>>3542961
You don't have problems concerning the size of the head compared to the shoulders/the rest of the body?

>>3542932
trap
dick
eggman
shit i like it and would follow you

>>3542770
try tracing, take mental notes/analyze where the contours or certain points of the body are as well as other fundamentals like proportion.
but don't just only trace, practice other things like drawing from ref, and if you want to copy better, read "right side of the brain" by Betty Edwards, the art book thread has it in their beginner section (I think, but either way they should have it on some link).
last thing: read books/ learn from many sources.

good luck fellow shotafag

>>3542958
I find it easier starting with the rib cage.

>>3542958
I start with the middle joint of the left ring finger and draw everything backwards from there.

>>3542962
Once you have a gesture, a spine, 3 general circles for the head and torso, and a good idea of your centerline, placing the head isn't usually too difficult. It's way easier to see I fucked up the head or the ribcage when I have some semblance of a head pointed where I want. Drawing it last always ends up looking wrong for me.

How the FUCK do I paint Highlights lads?
It just always look like shit even when I reference it it just doesn't work how do I do it?

How do I avoid using the same face

>>3542979
You can't just copy the lightning in one photo to another, which is what you did there, just thing of the form and the direction the light is hitting, in the case of that bug, it's a sphere

>>3542979
make the green darker.

>>3542982
Draw them differently than you normally would.

Rate please?

>>3542979
You need to understand the surfaces we see are composed of two components. A diffuse component (direct lights and shadows), and a specular component (reflections). On most surfaces, the diffuse component is much more visible, and specular reflections will only be seen in certain conditions (at glancing angles and around light sources, such as the reflection of a bright bulb, a window, or in the case of your ninja ladybug, the sky. This effect becomes more visible on smooth, polished surfaces (such as varnished wood or glossy plastic), and can be almost impossible to see on rough surfaces (have you ever seen a bright highlight on a brick?) The actual science of it is that the highlight doesn't disappear, it gets wider and fainter the rougher the surface, which makes it *seem* like it's not there on rough surfaces because you're seeing the same amount of reflected light over a much bigger area. But let's not get into the details of that.

For shading, I think it's easier to treat the highlights on most materials as additive to the lighting of your base surfaces. Start by doing the diffuse component of your surface, with your center light, half-tone, and shadow. Once that's all good, you can add the highlight as extra light that is added to your already lit surface.

There are two things you must remember:

1. Highlights are reflections of your environment. You can clearly see the sky at the top of your ladybug. The part where the highlight seems to "end", is actually the reflection of the treeline, which is much darker, and thus has a significantly lower specular contribution (essentially nil). Because specular light doesn't have a start and end point like diffuse light, it's a reflection of your *whole* environment. But only the brightest parts will be visible.

2. You can look at chrome/metallic surfaces to see what a pure specular reflection would look like. It might give you a good indication of how different forms will reflect different environments.

>>3543004
you're too good to be posting in /beg/

>>3542966
i appreciate the input. i do trace artists i like for practice (not that specific drawing though, it was obviously poorly drawn and from imagination and wasn't even constructed). instead of learning contruction i try to reverse engineer the construction process of other artists. i dont have any background in art so theres a massive amount of things i dont know and sometimes its hard to know where to start so i just symbol draw cute stuff.

i will take a look at this book. i know i should develop a solid foundation but it's hard to motivate myself to complete conventional exercises with plants or buildings, when i only want to draw one particular thing.

>>3543008
Well it’s my first ever post on this board, I draw very occasionally for a hobby when I’m bored

>>3541575
carefully

>>3543007
thats very helpful, thank you!

>>3543011
First get good at copying things. Learn specifics, you need to know anatomy perfectly, then draw from imagination

>>3543012
this drawing is a bit shit though, it seems you're right on the edge of being good.

>>3543021
Well yeah some are better than others lol, I did that one when I was about 15 so it would be terrible

>>3543004
>>3543012
please resize

>>3543011
one last thing, the sticky says that you don't have to read the walls of text of 2deep4you observations, tl;dr, they just say overall that drawing isn't a talent and anyone can learn it.
just read/do the exercise sections of the book.

>>3542250
Well the reason why is because chefs wirh dirty aprons spill food often, signifying that they are messy cooks. Messy cooks are bad cooks, but messy painters can be bothgood or bad painters.

>>3542250
I... doubt it....
I mean cooks should be clean as possible for health reasons and >>3543028 says.
doubt its related to art

>>3543028
Being at least slightly aware of your supplies is an invaluable skill. Watercolor is especially unforgiving, oil requires a different kind of attention that involves using yourself as a rag. Ink is a special kind of hell.

>>3542961
>>3542973
>>3542970
>>3542968

Thanks anons, I'll try to see how that turns out for me.

First time actually drawing in months. What are some obvious things I need to work on? Any advice would be very much appreciated!

>>3543090
>obvious things
I mean, everything. Depends what you want to draw. But if I had to pick, I'd say draw bigger, and get into the habit of planning your lines carefully so you can get rid of chicken scratching. After that, you probably want to work on a mix of anatomy and construction/perspective together, so you can add complexity to your characters (which you will actually have the room for since your surface will be bigger, and your lines cleaner and more economical).

>>3543004
>>3543012
>>3543023
>>3543090
R O T A T E Y O U R S H I T

>>3543102
Thanks for the advice! I'm focusing more on drawing cartoonish characters and I really do have to work on the perspective/anatomy.

Any recommended resources on increasing precision and pen control? Its something I wish to practice alongside other studies.

>>3543158
The only thing I know of that helped me is the beginning tutorials of drawabox.com

help

Can I learn to draw all by myself without following any guides or books at all?

>>3543620
There's no one guide or book holds your hand all the way anyways.

>>3543620
Of course.

>>3541301
what do you think of this video guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG-WG6JeKNI
is this worth studying

What do you mean by 1000 pixels, like in total?
Can I post a nsfw pic here?

>>3543642
Does it seem sensible to you?

>>3543653
no, but i'm not the one who was asked the question

>>3543653
does it matter what i think

>>3543656
I would not have asked otherwise.

>>3543658
i guess its ok but i don't like it.

>>3543666
>but i don't like it.
Then it's most like way out of your comfort zone.

How do I draw from imagination when I don't have a minds eye?

I'm trying to draw butts but I have great difficulty understanding how the fat and muscles work.

>>3543672
How do you know others have "a minds eye"?

>>3543673
>5312x2988
why

>>3543672
Googling "no minds eye", might be of interest to you.

>>3543677
Should the pictures be 25x40?

>>3543683
They should be 1000x1000 max, and rotated appropriately
>>3543012
>>3543004
I think you need to study necks

>>3542758
update

this is my first digital art piece/colour piece/painting in general. I'm going for a soft look.

I've never done colour before and I'd like anyone to give me feedback on the selection I have so far

I'm new to drawfagging.
I post my picture in a comfy hugbox that doesn't do brutal honesty.
I rely heavily on shading for contouring, because I can't for the life of me draw lineart.
Is there any advice for improving my shading?
I have absolutely zero delusions about being an actual artist, I just want to draw a few waifus and move on, but I still want to improve if possible.

>>3543710
Looks like a dude.

>>3543711
Yeah well, it's true to the model.

>>3543710
I'm the person who posted just above you, so I'm not advanced or anything but here's my two cents.

>Can you draw traditionally?
If not you might want to learn how because it's more intuitive.

>Are you using the proper art program?
That looks like MS Paint, and if it isn't you aren't utilizing the program properly. Most important ones in Photoshop from what I gather is brush, mixer brush, eye drop, layers and brush sets.

>Are you using a mouse?
Then this is a limitation that you may have to deal with until you can afford a tablet or somehow learn to draw with a mouse efficiently.

>What shading/rendering style are you going for?
Post an example, do you want strong edges and cell shading like DBZ, or do you want something very soft and realistic like sakimichan. Right now it looks like you want to pursue a cell shading style.

>To draw anime/manga waifus nearly all artists study real life/observational.
To bend the rules you need to know them well.

I mean there's many things you can improve on seeing that picture alone but these are the main questions I'm posing to you because they're the most important.

>pic related is the style I want to learn to paint in so I look at it while I paint my first digital piece and constantly refer back to it.

>>3543722
Doesn't that artist do step by step YouTube hand walking for her art? Should you be looking at the process or the end product

Thoughts on Ctrl paint? I'm new to digital but I'm fairly experienced in traditional fundies

What do you guys think about Mechanical Pencils? Do you prefer them over regular pencils?

>>3543677
Oh god, I'll never phonepost again.

>>3541677
Thank you so much for the help and advice! I practiced drawing legs, torsos, and arms and i tried to use the improvements to create this drawing. She looks a little awkward but i see improvement

Okay guys I stole a pencil from the bank and some A4 paper out of the photocopier at the library. I'm ready to draw! So what should I start with?

>>3543778
R E A D T H E S T I C K Y

>>3543778
The pencil.

This a good book?

>>3543783
>Chris Hart

>>3543710
I'm a beginner too so take this with a grain of salt, but I notice some of your forms are casting shadow and others aren't. You've drawn the shadow cast from the breast, but no shadow on the body cast from the raised arm or scarf.

Tried my hand at drawing Bogdanoff upside down. Any advice/guidance would be greatly appreciated.

>>3543740
They're pretty alright if you're new to digital painting, although i'd recommend Marco Bucci more.
You can find both of their premium stuff on CGPeers.

>>3543781
Draw your own hand.
Then draw your dick.

is Draw a Box a meme?

>>3543710
>shadman

Can I start my drawing career buy just tracing manga I like? Not really interested in drawing boxes and circles or buildings disappearing into the distance.

I tried drawing a buddy. First time drawing someone IRL and it really shows. I've done tons of portraits from photos but I guess that barely helped. I'm pretty upset that this came out so bad. I guess I'll read through keys to drawing again or something..

>>3543828
I tried again but it came out even worse.

>>3543795
that hand looks good

>>3543823
I have... Never felt more insulted in my life.

>>3543828
I find it okay.

Tips on shading black/dark objects?

Why is drawing shit from life so much harder than copying photos?

>>3543815
yes

>>3543873
just take a mental picture lol it's literally the same thing

>>3543873
it's literally the same, just think of the forms™

does image streaming help with drawing?

>>3543879
>>3543881
I'm confirmed for NGMI then, oh well.

Is this any good?

>>3543887
Whoops sorry

>>3543873
>>3543884
Just think about it a little more. Try drawing the contours first and filling in the angles after, or blocking it in around the "frame" of the object. There are short videos on Ctrl+paint library on traditional drawing that might help you, they focus generally on beginning steps to learning drawing

>>3543895
Thanks, will check out the videos.
I guess i exagerrated a bit, i did rush this "drawing" a bit, and should probably spend more time observing. It's just really frustrating when i can't make my hands do what i would like them to do.

>>3543873
>KOSS PortaPro
Good headphones.

>>3543828
>>3543830
Your mark making is shit.

>>3543892
>>3543923

>>3543922
So at least it *is* recognizable.

>>3543927
Well they do have a distinctly flimsy look about them.

>>3543873
Throw down perspective and draw in context. A couple lines will do.

>>3543935
I don't really get what you mean. Something like drawing a bounding box, or a part of the surface they lie on?

>>3543938
Pretty much.

>>3543815
it works for some people for others it don't, like anything

Idk where to post this
What's off about this? Face of a wip figure im doing
The eyes are off for sure, I have yet to create their form properly, what else?

>>3544005
ear is too close to the eye (and the face in general), nose doesn't make much sense

CSP is truly the most patrician program.

>>3543923
How do you suggest I improve that, crabby anon?

I tried drawing a smug anime girl, I still don't understand why my lines are always so rough, I did this in pencil first and went over in pen and it still looks jagged in places

>>3544050
Larger canvas with larger brush, reduce on export, check your aliasing settings, your face plane is fucked use perspective lines. bilinear usually works for resizing but see what the others do or check some tutorials.

>>3544050
Got some still life done earlier.
Gonna do some more in the morning.

Here's my starting point without having done any studies. I don't think I'm going to get any better unless I can find the motivation to study the absolute basics.

>>3544197
Most autistic fetish porn artists are better than you. If you don't feel bad, you don't know what that means. There's your motivation.

>>3544197
Do it for Okuu m8

>>3544213
Well I am autistic. Maybe I should have drawn BBW or some shit.

I'll try to upload something better by the end of the day. Feel free to suggest which 2hu I make a shitty drawing of next.

>>3544225
Alice

>>3544228
Sounds like a plan. I have until midnight to draw an Alice that's less shit than my Okuu.

So I came up with this plan to turn random stuff into characters to train creativity and now I have this cactus guy with cactus arms.
It's really fun

>>3544270
I have an immense disgust for lined paper but a great respect for your results.

>>3544270
>tfw could be drawing cactus-armed Chads, but instead choose to draw twelve-year-old's Deviantart quality Touhous.

I used a bigger piece of paper and the result is still ass.

>>3544299
It's ok anon, everyone has to start somewhere.

trying to do 3 tones and it's kind of eating me. I think i'll darken and map the tones next time around

my bad about the orientation of the page with gestures but eugh

How can you stay motivated? I always feel so demoralized.

>>3544660
I don't know. If I even so much as look at a pencil I can feel my energy and motivation dwindling.

Just some 15min crap I put out between work. I like cheap ballpoint pens.

>>3544660
>I always feel so demoralized.
What's demoralizing you?

>>3544662
You like the idea of being GOOD at drawing, but in reality you don't really like the act of drawing.

>>3544687
Slow down. Make your hatching more consistent.

>>3544691
I don't know. I feel like I wasn't meant for creation.

>>3544697
How hard did you try?

>>3544700
I barely even try. One time I tried to draw I broke down crying. It wasn't about drawing. Not exclusively at least.

>>3544708
>One time I tried to draw I broke down crying.
What were you going to draw?

>>3544715
>>3544719
I wonder what's with the issue in posting. I had it yesterday. Anyway, I was trying to draw a character and I kept thinking of all of my gets and missed chances so I just took a nap.

I miss when these threads started with several reference pictures we could draw and compare our progress with each other.

>>3544907
Post some.

>>3544913
Here yah go

i think this looks decent, prove me wrong plz

I'M TOO FUCKING LAZY TO LOOK AT REFERENCE. I JUST WANT TO GET GOOD AT IMAGINATION!!!!

>>3545100
http://www.winwenger.com/imstream.htm

>>3545071
Eyes are misaligned. The right-side one is lower.
Linework is a complete mess.
Bottom of nose makes no sense
Subject matter is boring, and the work's social importance is questionable. A human face is not an interesting scene.

>>3545071
he's a big boi

>>3545071
>la creatura
those are pretty deformed nose/lips, and you stopped giving a fuck by the time you got to the ear.
The space between the eyebrows looks weird af.

I really need to pay more attention to proportions.

is drawing an innate talent?

>>3545476
Yes
Now give up

>>3545476
Yes. When you turn 11, an owl will bring you a letter of invitation to an art school, where you will learn to properly use your innate gifts. If you didn't get one, you might still have low-level artistic talent, but not enough to ever be a pro.
If someone says something about "practice and hard work", they're just being mean.

>>3541347
I couldn't critique her properly since I'm a beginner, but I liker her anon. she's cute.

>>3545476
just like the condom you grow on your penis when you hit 12, drawing is a gift

why is loomis so hard

>>3544954
that was fun

>>3545563
because it's A MEME ITS A MEME STOP DRAWING LOOMIS REEEEEEEEEEEE

Went in too deep while the proportions were wrong in the first place. But I know what to do better next time.

>>3545590
Forgot to say that roast my picture please fellows

>>3545582
why is it a meme?

>>3545596
"Loomis is a meme", IS a meme. He gives really good advice, but they're not meant for absolute beginners.

>>3545597
Then what is the best advice for a beginner

I'm just starting out and decided to draw some stuff for fun when I'm not studying the books I picked up from the sticky (keys to drawing, loomis and perspective made easy)
can you please tell me where am I going wrong with this?

>>3545610
practice your hamptons

Goodbye, beg.

>>3545748
Godspeed my friend

Touhou autist, here. Am I getting better? I can't draw clothing or hair for shit and I'm just kind of using my imagination for the anatomy.

Where the hell can I get a copy of the bargue book?

>>3545877
Learn Gesture and use references if you want to get better

>>3545957
What is gesture useful for?

How do I go about trying new compositions and using perspective? I don't have the creativity or imagination to think of anything

>>3545974
To make your drawing look alive and not static
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>3545989
I don't get the difference. Won't the end result look the same? Are there any examples of pictures that had gesture and ones that don't?

>>3545994
Sometimes you don't need it because the pose isn't very dynamic, sometimes you do.
Also check body construction in general, those wrists are fucked. Watch sycra or proko videos, or whatever you like
That should keep you busy for the next year(s)

>>3546017
That was totally a different person asking those questions about gesture, but I'm glad they asked. I've done gesture drawing before, but I get bored and impatient easily and just want to draw 2hus. I don't know anatomy, either. Maybe I can change that. Past experience says I'll give up in a few days and not try again for months, though.

>>3541301
I haven't drawn in fucking months, and after this month I don't plan on drawing in a while most likely again. I am shit, and I've only gotten worse with lack of practice. Despite my failures, I can't help but be utterly ecstatic. 1 month. To improve. I think I might be slightly nuts. I've always been over-analytical and autistic. I've done large amounts of research into Visual Working Memory, and drawing acquisition. Honestly, the theory of art has always interested me than application, and I've been always unable to defend thus. 1 month. At last one update pick a day.

I will intermittently stream and probably post that I am: https://picarto.tv/XUFNZLYBZ

I can't record my motions on the paper, but I'd do screen annotations of my process. My exercises range from by-the-book to seemingly unnecessary to utterly insane. I'm not expecting anyone to be that interested, but having a group of people that can call me out on my BS would always be nice. Hey, if I actually achieve anything fruitful, I might explain my line of logic. It is rather time-cube-y. I am not normal

Pic related, just shat this out - really shit. Just as a reference starting point. I will make my update-drawings more focused in the future.

>>3546039
Do it for the 2hu u want to fug. I'm doing it for her

>>3546045
>*At least one update pic a day.

Yikes, gunna have to get some sleep soon

>>3546017
>>3545989
where do you find models for gesture drawing? All I can find is the same set of ballerina drawings

advice / critique requested

redline would be sweet

>>3546133
hands

can't play videogames with phone internet so.. here we go

Practicing a no-ref of my loli hapa neice. Can I get a crit of what I got so far?

why is drawing so hard?

been drawing for the last 3 days practicing. started with heads and hands to draw faces for day 1 and 2 trying to see how to make head but then went to figure drawing today and liked it. how is it guys

>>3546107
You clearly didn't read the sticky.