/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3528091
Really great composition, OP

>>3528136
Idk if my dick is wierd or wtf is going with yours

>>3528091
Bump, I'll come later

>>3528301

>>3528329

>>3528367

>>3528367
I cant into hands sorry

>>3528412
Made some pretty significant changes.

>>3529055
yeah so did I anon

>>3529055

>>3529082

>>3529116
nice you ruined it

>>3529118
well then draw your version, crab

>>3529159

>>3529316
jesus christ. stop anything art related immediately

>>3529326
>>3529316

lol. looking at it again on a different screen - the reds (and everything) are way too saturated and blown out. My Cintiq 22HD has terrible color display.

Easy fix though for the next person - no biggie.

>>3529348
>my cintiq has a terrible color display
no it doesn't, everyone else has a terrible color display. unless you've plugged it into the wrong display port or some shit. cintiq especially the HD line is designed to have the most "true" color display. if you want to calibrate to another screen fine but don't retardedly say the color is wrong/bad

>>3529316
>>3529326
>>3529360
Here the colors reverted back to what they were, dickhead. Feel free to improve on it instead of just whine and complain

>>3529391
not necessarily an entry but i think making it a bit lighter and softer might be nice

>>3529391
perspective on the face is all sorts of fucked up and I gave her tits, do whatever you want with this

>>3529438
thing gets less interesting every pass lol

nice face tho, not trying to put you down

>>3529438
making the face flat pink has completed the color harmony nuke started by the guy who pooped blobs on the nun version

>>3529444
Then fix it

>>3529438

>>3529444
This is what always happens with these threads. People will work on the character every single post, while ruining any values or colour anywhere else in the painting.

>>3529470
here's a slightly more ukiyo'd version for interest not for the colab

>>3529574
yeet

>>3529832
wtf am I even looking at

>>3529837
absolute ass

>>3529438
>>3529470
>>3529574
>>3529832
Its fucking ruined

>>3529887
Ppppppppost your changes, troglodyte

I'm happy to see a collab thread again, but man do I hate how no one ever thinks about composition in these collabs anymore. The first dude sees a face in some shape and then the rest of the collab is just detailing some stupid face instead of having any narrative or decent value structure. Really makes it no fun to join in on these anymore. I opened photoshop, put a grayscale layer on top of the collab and closed it again because it's pointless to even try without starting over altogether.

>>3530169
art is dead in general.

>>3530169
Same, I was looking forward to participate when I saw the interesting shapes that OP starting image had, but with the idiots that just paint over the texture as if it wasn't there and the idiots that seem purposefully ruin it I lost my will.

>>3530735
>>3530169
>>3530658
maybe it was just getting beyond your skill level so you feel like you can't contribute :(

>>3530747
Actually I just used the previous non retarded version: >>3529438

Tried to bring more colors like OP original picture had, and to erase some of the excesively defined and ugly shapes made with the round brush. Values are still a mess though.

>>3529832
>>3529574
>>3529470
Fuck you guys

>>3530832
>complains about previous versions and points out their problems
>actually does something about it

This is how you do it. No matter how fucked these drawings can get, you shouldn't be afraid to make sweeping changes to the things you think aren't working. It's literally the point of the thread.

>>3530832
>changes one ugly brush for another
niceu niceu
you added absolutely nothing but dark tones?
theres no form, you just made it messier.
at least with the others you can tell they tried to add interesting values or different colors. (You) just made it bland and foul looking.

>>3529832
just in case you wanted to avoid v
>>3530832

>>3530169
Collars are more fun when they are sequential. The last one I did had a robot come out of here, shoot a laser at some guy and then had the guy turn into ash. That’s way more interesting since everyone adds a little bit to the story. The comic collabs are my favorite for that reason.

>>3530841
I already contributed but im not going to contribute again knowing some tard is gonna shit all over the canvas also "actually does something about it" they changed nothing but added random brush texture

>>3531263
Yeah I like those too, but unfortunately they always end up in really cringy sex jokes, anime references and completely nonsensical narratives. If the people who were actually interested in putting a little bit of effort into their panels would ignore the nonsensical branches, the comic collabs would be so much better and more fun to work on.

>>3531262
Here, I tore every thing out, please resume thread.

>>3531778

>>3530169
i mean, that's why i changed it to portrait orientation, because the composition is terrible but no-one liked it, perhaps i should of done a bit less but it was somewhat irredeemable. the actual colours are ugly too, which is why i put the lines on there, so people would go 'ok for my update i don't want a huge patch of shit brown'

>>3531259
>you added absolutely nothing but dark tones?
>theres no form, you just made it messier.

As I said, my point was to add more color and texture. I left a lot of things sugested for other anons to define, going form messy to defined, you know, like a painting is suposed to work? Not that it matters because you just went right back at it making solid shapes like an idiot.

This anon gets it>>3531778

>>3531813
>>3531778

>>3532277
Took a stab at rendering things out. Changed the face a bit (thought it was looking a little wonky), added detail to the forest behind her, darkened the figure entirely and tried to define her silhouette with rimlights. Tried my best to connect the space to the left and right together, since the composition was a bit cut in half and not really interconnected.

>>3532414
Tried to define the clothing a little more.

>>3532414
>>3532545
I can't believe this shit is somehow turning out to be not that bad.

>>3532667
I might do another pass at it, and then let people refine it again. I'm the one that did >>3529438
and it seemed to get people going in the right direction. Outlines are my specialty, I'm not a renderer, you guys are much better at that.

>>3532545
lookin great

>>3532545
was too drab in my opinion, needed a more colorful background. Decided to incorporate a really bright blue for the sky and move the castle to the forest side of things so she's "leaving" the forest more definitively. Also incorporated more of the green into her eyes for le mysterious powers

>>3532842
This has to be a troll, right? You are purposefully triying to ruin the painting, isn't it?
God, I hope the next guy to contribute has some common sense and just ignores your retarded step.

>>3532871
that's what you said when I did >>3529438
too and it still ended up looking good

>>3532873
>and it still ended up looking good
It didn't end up looking good because of your contribution. In fact, that time you just changed the orientarion of the clouds and made a worse face.
The fact that you seem think that the last passes have anything to do with you as >>3532674 implies it's laughable.

You took a nice and moddy color palette and put a microsoft paint saturated blue on top, destroyed all of the balance of the composition by puting everythin on the right, and killed all of the soft nice edges with an hard round brush.

The fact that you really think that you improved something is proof of the Dunning Kruger effect.

>>3532842
>>3532873
>>3532842
Not that other guy, but the issue with yours is that your additions are clashing so much with the established mood and setting that seemed to have been working well. It's just not integrated at all, and it's jarring next to the muted magentas of the piece. We've managed to zero in on something thats sort of working, but this just takes us 10 steps back.

Of course your free to do this and contribute what you think is best, but I wouldn't be surprised if people just continue with >>3532545 and >>3532414 (which was mine)

>>3532842

Not that other guy, but the issue with yours is that your additions are clashing so much with the established mood and setting that seemed to have been working well. It's just not integrated at all, and it's jarring next to the muted magentas of the piece. We've managed to zero in on something thats sort of working, but this just takes us 10 steps back.

Of course your free to do this and contribute what you think is best, but I wouldn't be surprised if people just continue with >>3532545 and >>3532414 (You) (which was mine)

>>3532842

Not that other guy, but the issue with yours is that your additions are clashing so much with the established mood and setting that seemed to have been working well. It's just not integrated at all, and it's jarring next to the muted magentas of the piece. We've managed to zero in on something thats sort of working, but this just takes us 10 steps back.

Of course your free to do this and contribute what you think is best, but I wouldn't be surprised if people just continue with >>3532545 and >>3532414 (which was mine)

>>3532893
>>3532906
this thread isn't even close to reaching bump limit, you know? you just want us to render out everything exactly how it is for the next 250 posts? Stop being so precious about your work in a thread that isn't about just you.

Feel free to take whichever pic you want as your stock anons. Usually with these threads we go back to the OP pic a few times for different starts.

>>3532919
Then why didn’t he cover up the figure with something interesting. Why shit saturated blue in the background like an autistic beg.

>>3532919
The point of the thread is to contribute to create a final painting. I respected other anons desitions of color, compostion, etc when it came time to contribute.
The idiots that just erase everything before them just ruin the thread. Instead of a neat colaboration thread it ends up being competent people cleaning after ratards.

>>3532930
If you think "final" products don't get completely scrapped for whole new ideas before a product ships you will never make it in the industry. Better get all this butt hurt out of the way now or you will never be able to work under an art director

>>3532934
>If you think "final" products don't get completely scrapped for whole new ideas before a product ships you will never make it in the industry. Better get all this butt hurt out of the way now or you will never be able to work under an art director
You gotta be shitting me matey. How in fucks name could you possibly think this is a relevant thing to say?

>>3532934
"Anon, I really like this illustration piece, but what if you put this fluorescent green all over the sky with the paint bucket tool?"
-Every art director

>>3532937
I kek'd thanks for that anon

>>3532937
>this fluorescent green all over the sky
>green

>>3532942
That's the joke anon.

>>3532842
the hand was really fucky and bad so I fixed it up

>>3532942
skies are green all the time though...

Welp

>>3532988
the evil has been defeated we are saved

>>3532988
nice

>>3532988
thank god, now we're back on track. I made some slight revisions to yours

>>3533015
Kek.
It's okay anon, changes happen in a professional production enviroment. You are just letting other people "refine it".

>>3532988
workin off this ATM

>>3532988
nothing about that background works for me, so I tried making it into another composition with the same colors

>>3533041
>I can't improve the work because I'm an absolute beg that can't even work on a forest in the background, so I'm gonna start over so I can say that it's shitty because it's a "base for another composition"

>>3533041
No worries
im working on it

>>3533043
>collab thread hits a roadblock and just starts changing the "magical forest light"s color every iteration instead of actually changing something
>generic magic forest and castle

fine, you win collab thread. be boring.

>>3533043
if no-one is allowed to change anything then its not a collab thread, relax

>>3533045
>Random blocky shapes that will probaly be made into rocks or a city.
Wow anon, so original and unique.

>>3533045
Wrong anon
Im
>>3533044

>>3533051
>will probaly be made into rocks or a city.
if that's the limits of your imagination I literally cannot help you

>>3532988
i added water :D

>>3532988
Thought some sort of spectral fauna would be an interesting source of the glow.

Added details all around as well

>>3533015

>>3533057
>>3533060
both looks great, but >>3533057 needs to be larger so we can see it clearer

>>3533062

>>3533060
>>3533057


Really liked the idea of the magical animals and the river, so i kind of mixed both.
I have no more time to refine the animals though, so that-s work for the next anon.

>>3533067

>>3533100
The woman is so obviously the worst part of the composition, yet the face is so nicely rendered now that no one dares to get rid of it.

>>3533210
>nicely rendered
>those lips
Yeah no. I can’t fix this right now but I will tomorrow

>>3533210
>The woman is so obviously the worst part of the composition

In what world? You take the woman out and you have a bunch of trees and a cloud.
If this thread has proved me something, is that anons don't have a fucking clue about what composition even is, and yet they keep pretending like they do. In fact it seems like the more they talk about composition the worse they are.

Photoshop filter >>3529470, Smurf man >>3532842 and turd on a mountain >>3533041, all three talked about composition while they made their god awful contributions.

>>3533214
You have a woman in profile view, on the far left side of a wide canvas, facing - and walking towards the border of said canvas. How on earth can you not see how bad that is? The main focal point of the image is depicted ignoring the 2/3rd rest of the image

And obviously I agree that those 3 all made awful contributions, because as I said, they didn't change anything about the main problem of this image, which is the woman facing the border of the canvas.

>>3533210
>>3533100
hows this?

>>3533100
This honestly looks as good as its probably gonna get. It's really not too bad considering how shitty these usually are.

>>3533364
>on the far left side of a wide canvas, facing - and walking towards the border of said canvas.
I really don't understand what's so bad about this. If you want to show someone walking and put emphasis on the distance traveled instead of the distance to travel, that's the standard way of doing it. That's narrative composition 101.
All you could say is that by being a focal point on the left you discourage the reading of the rest of the painting on the right, but that's really subjective, more so with the forest being a second focal point.
I do agree that she being on profile flattens the image, but that isn't too bad either.

>>3533449
this versions so much more fun, good job anon

>>3533699
kek

>>3533100
here you go, much better

>>3533699
the army grows

>>3533100

c'mon guys don't give up that quickly

>>3533839
If you're going to ditch the light from the forest, why would you keep such a harsh rimlight on the figure?

>>3533843
I left it for you to do but I forgot that you're a NGMI

>>3533839
think i worked out the composition problem

>>3533839
>>3533082

Keep the new shape of the trees, keep the magical forest.

Gotta be honest here, I really think a lot of you guys are so obssesed with "the composition" as a cope, because you just can't do details or rendering for shit.

Except you anon >>3533449, you were great and I'll probably contribute to your version too latter.

>>3533896
>"the composition" as a cope, because you can't do details or rendering for shit

are you fucking retarded?

>>3533896
nah it really does suck. like i doubt you could find another image composed like this, it's just so bad. if it were a film composition it'd be a close up, if it were a painting you'd see the whole figure. no-one in any medium would divide the frame neatly in half like this. no-one would have a weird 1-point perspective focal point smooshed into a picture that also has a landscape and a figure. it's a mess. the colors are also a mess btw, i also think it'd be hard to find a picture that isn't terrible with a muted green and mauve theme, they're like the colors you'd normally filter out.

the only thing it kind of resembles is this old boy, and the compensations for it's weirdness are pretty obvious.

>>3533915
I'm not saying the compostion is great, but is just a girl in front of a forest, any change you wanted to make to it from a compositional stanpoint could be made without starting all over again.
Every retard that "changed the compostion" made no improvements, that's my point.
If you draw abstract blobs with the excuse that you are improving the composition, while being unable to draw a fucking tree, that to me just sounds like a cope.

>>3533904
Nice argument there. Are you going to tell me >>3532842 isn't a delusional beg too?

>>3533959
>>3532842 is a bad example
you say everyone is coping with composition/story because noone can render details but what the fuck do you want to render if there is no composition?
everyone on /ic can render, it's all they can do, it's all the want to do, brainless rendering.

so since everyone is blaming each other i suggest everyone finishes their own version and posts progress shots or what

>>3534049
This is the most retarded narrative I've ever seen

>>3534054
cool, whatever you say man

the other option is the grumpy woman turning her back on a magical forest with the mononoke deer.

>>3534049
her rendering isnt whats bothering me, its the shitty design. what the fuck is up with that cloak/jacket its fucking hideous, shit started to derail on this after >>3528329

I think for future collabs, the first thing someone needs to do after the abstract phase is over is to draw a big, fat red line across the image so everyone works with the same horizon line.

>>3534049
>Says Composition is shit
>Barely changes composition
>>3534060
>All of his improvement is changing magic harry potter animals for Slenderman/The Beast

This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. You just changed stuff but made no fucking difference.

Also kek'ed on this:
>everyone on /ic can render, it's all they can do, it's all the want to do, brainless rendering.
Rendering implies a slight knowledge of drawing, most people on ic like to work with undefined blobs and sketches so they don't have to compromise.

>>3534110
Forgot pic

>>3534110
>most people on ic like to work with undefined blobs and sketches
This is so true. Most people here are incapable of seeing something their own work through to completion are unable to progress beyond 'undefined blobs and sketches'. Many folks on /ic/ (especially apparent in the blog / social media thread) have nothing to show but half finished work, loose sketches and compositions that are simply blocked in but have next to no levels of polish. So many people rely far too much on implied detail and they're blind to the fact that they can't actually bring something to completion since they lack the knowledge and skill to properly render things out.

This thread is a perfect example of this. There have been a few folks who have tried to add in details and render things, but most people just want to add in vague blobs of masses, evidently because they're incapable of contributing anything else.

deforestation

metamorphosis

>>3534539

>>3534540
finally some real art

>>3534485
This looks better

This thread has gone to shit lads

>>3534460
Thanks for being a voice of reason, anon.
I would add that the fact that there are so many begs that can only draw vague shapes isn't so much of a problem. The real problem is that most of them are Dunning Krugers in denial, and instead of admiting that they just can't go past a thumbnails phase, they pretend like they are "working on bigger problems", and erase better work that they could do just to put blobs and feel like they are part of the final result once the competent anons clean their mess.

. You can point to at least 4 instances of the same pattern in this thread alone .

People like this >>3532674 need to be called out .

Begs are not the problem, Duning Krugers are

>>3535331
creating art that conveys ideas and has good composition doesn't make someone a dunning kruger my god you renderfags are delusional

>>3535331
rendermonkeys really believe this.


>no design sense
>no color theory
>no compositional knowledge
>no sense of value
>no sense of line

b-b-but I rendered it so I did all the REAL work!

>>3535331
literally the mindset of a wageslave. who gets paid more, the contractor or the builders? some people are only good at manual labor, which is what rendering is.

>>3535331
Well, the fact is that the image looks like shit so don't pretend you aren't /beg/. It is a complete mess. The forest isn't even on the same fucking perspective plane as the rest of the background. The problem isn't people can't go past the thumbnail phase, the problem is that no one bothered to do any thumbnail phase to begin with. Obviously no one feels motivated to continue rendering such a boring and inherently bad image.

>>3535346
>>3535345
>>3535337

I'm not a render fags, you morons, I care about composition and construction a lot more than I do rendering.
The problem is not that people tried to change the composition, the problem is that almost everyone that did so with blobs of color made terrible changes or none at all, thus proving that they didn’t knew shit about composition either, making it pretty obvious to anyone following the thread that their emphasis on "composition" was just an excuse to justify using blobs to mascarade their terrible drawing skills.
Composition and construction are harder than rendering, that’s why the fags that pretend like they know composition when they can't even draw a tree or a cloud are Dunning Krugers.

Not one of the anons in this whole thread that used blobs to “fix the composition” actually fixed the composition. Tha’s the point.
This is not like the rest of /ic/, in this thread we can actually see the level of people giving corrections, and that's why it's so obvious which guys are in denial.

>>3535399
But the image is shit. As you said, in this thread we can actually see the level of people and if you weren't just as bad as those guys you are singling out, the image wouldn't be shit. YOU didn't do anything what you said that should be done either.

>>3535412
>if you weren't just as bad as those guys you are singling out, the image wouldn't be shit
Retarded logic, I'm not complaining that people don't know composition, I'm complaining about Dunning Kruegers pretending like they do to draw blobs.
Obviously I didn't know how to improve the compositon as what it was, so I didn't. That's what someone that isn't a Dunning Kruger would do.

>YOU didn't do anything what you said that should be done either.
I've never said people were retards for not improving the composition neither that they SHOULD do so, so again you fail to understand the point, Just read my previous post, slowly this time.

>>3535434
Omfg stop saying "Dunning Krueger" you fucking retard

>>3534485
Did some detailing and rendering.

>>3535442
Honestly I really want to help you guys with this but every change I make causes a shitstorm of people yelling "Dunning Krueger" and it's really disparaging

>>3535442
the flower addition is honestly the best composition change since the glowy forest

>>3535448
Why do you feel the need to get the approval of others on an anonymous art board? Who cares if it causes a shitstorm - I don't think mean comments should be really disparaging. They're empty, meaningless criticisms from anonymous strangers on the internet.

Go ahead and make whatever contribution you want. If people don't like it, they won't work off it and will likely make fun of it - but fuck them. If "you really want to help", then do it.

>>3535459
Every time I make a change nobody builds off of it, they just say it's shit and use the previous version

>>3535442
This is what I'm talking about, someone that changed the composition in an actual good way without fucking what the previous anon did.
Nice work anon.

>>3535442
change the fucking jacket already

>>3535442
I added another figure, idk if that's what it needed... I think making it winter would make it a bit more interesting than "apocalyptic wasteland"...

>>3535505
>making it winter
The snow is sloppily implemented and hard to work off off. This direction could work, but that figure has just gotta go. Good lord.

>>3535530
Oh so then nothing I changed about it you're going to use, got it, thanks

>>3535531
If you redid the snow and ditched the figure, then I would.

What you did was poorly done and makes it hard to work off.

>>3535531
This is not reddit. If your changes are shit people are going to tell you.
Instead of crying because people don't clap everytime you do something why don't you take the criticism and try to improve?

>>3535567
Didn't think that was the point of this thread, thought it was just supposed to be a fun collaboration, but you're right i suck and I should feel bad

>>3535440
>Use twice as much words to say the same thing because the particular word that describes that thing triggers me.
The cry of a wounded idiot that doesn't know how else to respond after countless tries of missrepresenting an argument.

>>3535571
Stop with the victim routine.
Just work, practice and improve.

>>3535577
You're right I'm a bad artist who has Dunning Krueger

>>3535578
I know, I'm really bad and I need to stop posting until I'm as good as you guys

>>3535442

>>3535749
holy shit this is actually becoming something good

now what. what do we do with the finished one? has anyone been saving all the old ones?
also someone start another

>>3537538

>>3529159
That looks beautiful, i love her expression

>>3537538
there used to be an /ic/ da with these on it, i doubt whoever it is who did that is around anymore though, probably still can go and look at the old ones though, if you're inclined

>>3537827
added on this, upped the resolution too.

How many of these threads end up with solitary human figure in middle of layout on an after thought background?

>>3535749
More detailing and rendering

>>3538229
not many, most devolve into everyone drawing dicks actually!

>>3538666
you actually made it worse... especially the stringy hair

>>3538688
Here it is with the hair additions turned off and the rimlight on the face gone so it's mostly the environmental changes.

>>3538696
no. the initial one is better. practice rendering.

>>3538666
lol brain fuck off

>>3538696
you niggas need to learn how to render hair

>>3538688
>>3538713
>>3538716
>>3538724
you turds are high off your kites if you think this looks that bad, especially if you think >>3538696 is a step down from >>3535749

my two cents, feel free to scrap it

>>3538773
they both look bad, in terms of hair
>>3538789
hair looking better

bump

switching it up

>>3539005
digital art is truly, truly, the dumbest medium

>>3539013
I'd say dance is.

>>3538789
the trees look a lot better

>>3539013
explain yourself or gtfo- good job contributing absolutely nothing but hate

>>3539005
maybe noob question but how did u do the texture like on the womans coat.

>>3538666
first time doing a collab pic. Added a little moon thingy in the background- chuck it if u want, just havin fun and thought it looked cool

>>3539454
Nothing special, I had a rock texture somewhere on my desktop that resembled a glassy surface when used as an overlay. Pic related is rock texture.

>>3529116
>>3529082
why did you suddenly change it into a shitty Christian, i thought it looks way more interesting before? also nice dicks.

>>3539907
thank you for complimenting my dicks I was extremely saddened when they were covered

>>3539914
yeah, I'm sorry someone did that I thought they looked pretty good.

>>3539501
Haven't painted in months but this collab stuff is fun so I decided to dust off the tablet.
Tried rendering her face, removed rimlight and changed the background a bit(mostly just the right side).

>>3540018
time passing collab!!! lets go next person make her look a little older and everyone keep going until shes dust

>>3533858
kek

>>3540018
is that fucking tree silhouette clipart

face is good though

>>3533120
good

>>3540104
no i drew all those branches by hand

>>3529082
Anything after this is waste of time

>>3540110
>muh dicks nigguh exdeeh
kys

>>3538133
space?

I miss these threads