/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Why’d you pick that scawy image

>>3531509
uWu i downt know!! sowwy anon

We /spooky/ now

Is it better for me to just copy art that I like, or do I need to study everything

>>3531547
Copying the art you like is only one small piece of becoming a good artist, it isn't enough by itself

What's the best "all in one" drawing book? I don't like having to switch between Loomis, Keys, etc for different aspects.

I'm trying to animate somebody saying something and I'm too autistic to figure this out myself,
do the sounds highlighted in each color have the same kind of mouth shape associated with them? I feel like they they do but that may just be me

>>3531559
Seems so.

how do you get motivation when even average artists have been better than you since they were 8 years old and now they have 10+ years on top of that

>>3531577
compare your own progress over time
don't compare your progress to another person's
There's so many variables it's useless. You could work your dick off for 2 years and be better than the people you know had a head start on you, for all you know.

>>3531577
It's not a competition anon.

>>3531029
I like this drawing, but the main angle is not correct, and impacts the whole thing.

I'm such a fucking failure. I wish I was dead.

>>3531631
you can do it anon!
you may not believe in yourself at the moment, so I want you to believe in me, who believes in you!

>>3531615
The line that goes from the small toe to the tarsal should also not go that far to the left. It's one of the toe tendons and they end in the space between fibula and tibia. In your drawing it almost moves to the inner ankle. The bump between the outer ankle and the fleshy foot periphery (which almost looks like a sixth toe in the plate and your drawing, but it's made up of sole muscles connecting to the small toe) behind the small toe is the extensor digitorum brevis which moves under the former tendon but doesn't connect to the small toe but to the second right one.

>>3531615
Why are you doing the bargue studies digitally? That's one of the stupidest ideas ever. Do these with charcoal, and they are meant to be done in a way so that they are identical and you need a forensic team to tell which one is the original basically. I am kind of joking here but dont do these digitally for real.

>>3531649
Or better yet don't do them at all and go to Huston, Vilppu, Bridgman is my recommendation.

>2 hours total
I didn’t go for much but I’m pretty much learning how to use the stylus desu.

jesus fucking christ. how the fuck do you decide 'okay that's enough detail'? maybe i shouldnt try super technical shit

this is a wip i've been working on for about.. 15 hours? im going to start another painting and come back to this one later

>>3531697
Less is more.

>>3531718
whoops forgot to downscale

this is a wip i've been working on for about.. 15 hours? im going to start another painting and come back to this one later

>>3531722
The left eye and the nose placement do not match.
The ear's angle is wrong.
The mouth is too close to the base of the nose.
The back of the head is wrong.
The shoulder is now dislocated.

It's better to stop know and fix the construction.

Is there anything that teaches me how to draw BEFORE learning anatomy? It's hard to do Loomis when I can't even hold a pencil properly

>>3531746
Famous Artist Course

>>3531746
People usually seem to recommend draw a box for this but I've never used it
>>3531547
Do both
>>3531559
Sound them out while thinking about what your mouth is doing
>>3531697
It seems like a lot of nice paintings have few fine details but really capture the feeling of the landscape. I don't have a great eye for it myself

>>3531758
>>3531721
so am i done or should i polish a bit more

>>3531769
You killed it a long time ago.

>>3531746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-piPn9d6Q

>>3531770
like i ruined it?

Is this a good guide to follow for simple anatomy? I realized that I've been drawing too many heads and eyes but my bodies look like dogshit

I need to fix the composition but I don't know how. The thumbnail isn't reading well.

>tfw picked writing instead of art in 4th grade because i read that "most artists died broke"
>didn't realize that if i had kept at it i could be rolling in dosh from commissions
>now im wasting my 20s learning to draw when i could be making it right now
>gonna be that 30yo boomer drawing furry porn
th-thanks

>>3531792
Those landmarks are certainly not wrong, but a bit spartan. Yet sufficient if you know how to fill up the blank space with anatomy. In the end, you'll have to add more landmarks and structures anyway if your goal is a finished drawing. So, it doesn't matter if you add them to your skeleton right away or later. You'll still have to know what goes where.
Keep in mind that the "spine" isn't really correct if you use it as an anchor point for the actual spine.

>>3531769
When I ask myself whether or not I should fix/polish something or do something else I usually just do whatever I feel is best for my personal development. So really it just depends on what skills you want to work on, anon

>>3531559
thanks doc

Is it better to draw from references or imagination?

>>3531866
they do two different things. you need to spend 100s of hours drawing both ways

>>3531866
Not sure yet but anon is probably correct in that you have to do lots of referencing and lots of just plain construction. drawing and then kinda bring them together.

>>3531866
Do which ever you have the most trouble with.

>>3531885
I'm a beginner in both

>>3531891
Then pick the one you fancy the most.

>>3531891
Do an hour of both a day, and then one hour of aesthetic study. Three hours, three different things.

>>3531895
how do i draw from imagineation if i dont have one

>>3531899
Three whole hours.. a DAY??

>>3531901
Yeah that's to be mediocre.

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>>3531900
What do you think imagination is?

>>3531925
dunno cause i dont have one i cant think of things visually
only in written words

I just threw out a pack of pastels I bought. I tried using them and then when I realized I couldn't do anything I wanted to kill myself. I fucking quit drawing, I hate this and I hate myself

I wish I never fucking started this stupid shit, what a stressful waste of time

>>3531936
Good, go be a hedonist. You aren't worthy of being remembered through time.

>>3531942
I'm sorry, I can't get a gun otherwise I'd blow my useless brains out

>>3531928
How's your memory?

Starting with loomis' figure drawing. Any tips for correctly drawing the hips 'disks' in perspective?

>>3532003
Here without the perspective line noise.

>>3532003
Dooon't do such perspective when you are just starting, there's too many things to control for you now. Make yourself comfortable with regular angles first

>>3532003
>>3532009
PFFFAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHJAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3532012
Yeah, it is pretty tricky. But it just seem like a fun thing to try.

>>3532014
Glad you liked it!

>>3532014
Why? What's wrong? His drawings are pretty good

t. Suck at drawing

>>3532012
This, I find you wanna at least learn perspective after anatomy. Wing it for now and learn proper construction once you actually understand the size of the parts of the body adnd have line confidence to draw them.

Are there any drawing-related exercises I can do that don't actually involve any drawing? Something I can do while on the bus or walking

>>3532027
Observe.

>>3531866
Do your studies from reference and your finished stuff from imagination.

>>3532003
>>3532009
did you use xer as your ref

>>3531952
not too good

>>3531901
Studying for hours at a time will get easier for you as you get older

>>3532085
I seem to be getting stupider as I age though. I can't even concentrate on watching television anymore

>>3532091
Stop drinking alcohol, consuming large quantities of sugary foods/beverages, stop smoking pot or taking narcotics, stop smoking, and start doing compound lifts at the gym and/or cardio.

You should also find ways of challenging yourself mentally. Try learning higher level mathematics. Learn another language. Don't let your brain get crusty and lose its plasticity.

>>3532091
>>3532094
Allow me to also add, if you are watching TV and are bored/disinterested by what you see, perhaps there's not something wrong with *you* and instead the TV shows are crap.

it was recommended that I post in the beginner thread from now on, so what do you guys think? am I getting a little better at least? what should I practice?

>>3532094
I don't drink, I don't smoke, and I'm doing keto/zerocarb. I don't go to the gym but I cycle for an hour a day and I lift some weights at home.

I've always been bad at maths and learning in general. I did really bad at school, always last the in class. Pretty sure I have some kind of learning disability.

Lately I feel like I'm losing what little intelligence I did have. I think my brain is dying.

>>3532096
Recent tv shows are indeed crap, but I find I can't even enjoy old tv shows I used to like either. I used to be able to marathon an entire season in a day, even if it was shit, but now I can barely concentrate on one episode even if it has good characters and lots of ecchi.

>>3532097
hand anatomy, unless your models had cerebral palsy

I want to draw cute anime girls. This is my current skill level. I've been copying girls from manga but I never seem to get any better. I've done over 100 pages but improvement is so slow.

>>3532097
The overall pose composition is painfully awkward for the girl on the right. I tried sitting like that and it was very uncomfortable. To keep it brief, for the way her legs are her upper body should be slouched over more not to mention that you most likely wouldn't be able to see either of her feet at that too from the way she's sitting. The scene as a whole is pretty good setting aside >>3532117's hand comment as well. Nice work. 7/10

>>3532127
>I've been copying girls from manga but I never seem to get any better.
Geee I wonder why.

Is it useful to watch speedpaint/drawing videos? What should I be looking for while watching them?

It's not really much but it didn't take long to do either.

Loomis is kicking my /beg/ ass.

>>3532149
I am dissapointed with how animeish the painting is though..

Is it true that you can draw anything with basic shapes?

>>3532211
yes

>>3532127
Copying anime is hard. Tons and tons of artists have their beginnings doing it. It's a legitimate way to start your art career.

/ic/ acts snobbish about but dont take the aspies seriously.

Try downloading the Hitokaku art books and following along with them.

Also please take your time when studying anime head, and try drawing them larger. Use up the entire page and draw slowly and deliberately.

First pinup cartoon I ever tried.
Any tips?
Also I am not the best artist so general tips welcome too.

>>3532211
nice digits. to answer your question, yeah, thats one way to think about it.

basically, thinking in shapes makes your drawing more accurate. "getting things wrong" becomes less and less of an issue. it goes from "paralyzing fear" to something that is left in the past. just put in shapes, stop trying to get it right in one swish of the pen.

>>3532219
Thanks for the guidance. Where do I find these Hitokaku art books? Libgen had nothing. Thanks for your help

>>3532183
>animeish

>>3532127
The heads look really simple but they behave just like a simplified (but real) head. Like >>3532219 said, you should look up more guides to take you through the process, but I can tell that your construction is a huge problem. You can't just grind mindless studies, you have to understand the form behind whatever you are drawing. Something that helped me was to trace a head to get a better understanding, and then I constructed that head with shapes, and then after looking at a few more guides I started drawing them from imagination. It made a world of difference

>>3532211
Yes, for instance you can use a triangle for the mouth

>>3532229
You have to search /ic/'s archives for a download link.

>>3532221
hook should be rotated counter clock wise and the line should be taught

>>3532221
Cute style, you should draw bigger.
>>3532229
I know I've seen a link around /ic/ before but the artbook thread doesn't have it

Where can I find some pose books with clothed women.

Kinda awkward drawing naked women with my grandma walking in every ten minutes. Would prefer skintight clothing cause I still want to draw the form.

>pic kinda related

>>3532271
have you tried google images

>>3532271
sailor sakki does all her stock in a leotard/bike shorts

most popular stock makers on deviantart also do this

So here is week 1 I guess. Probably shouldn't post bullshit like my warm-ups and circles right?

>>3532292

>>3532293

>>3532294

>>3532295

>>3532297

>>3532300

wasted my time on drawing shit like this since I started to have interest in drawing

Should I start with keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain or start studying the loomis stuff?
Also any tips from you, Anons?

>>3532302
Best picture from you.

>>3532304
I'd suggest you the book "Perspective made easy".

>>3532295
Your cubes are pretty good, your ball heads are not, maybe try cube heads instead.

at what level should someone by at if they have halfassly meandering practicing with no direction for 7 months be at?

>>3532378
I've ben doing that for years and I have no idea.
I am also still shit

>>3532378
I have a hunch that you know.

>>3532387
>that for years

>>3532409
yea, can you you tell me what level my pic was at, I don't know if it is at 1 or 2

Crits? And how much longer until I stop hating my work?

>>3532413
1.7

>>3532416
Breddy gud. Now, if you started working on consistent proportions everything about your figures would improve drastically.

>>3531697
You could try using focal points, keeping details to the area that you believe is most interesting in the painting.

For this particular painting, it might be good to remember that absence of light obscures texture and detail.

>>3532413
pic related is how I drew when I started in 2009.
This is my latest tradiitonal pic
>>3532221
and this is digital
>https://img00.deviantart.net/5950/i/2017/067/0/c/bunnie_by_dragoncircle-db1nlls.jpg
I didn't have access to my tablet for th epast year since it's broken so I think I can do better than that now probably

>>3532432
those lines are pretty good

>>3532432
i think an adult who started drawing for the first time could achieve this progress in a few months if they applied themselves and utilized the right resources

>>3532448
I would be way better if I had the possibility to do nothing else but draw, but work and university are a thing.
I've seen people worse than me become better than me.
It hurts but I can't do much beyond slowly going forward.

>>3532422
Thanks. If it’s not too much trouble, could you point out what specifically looks wrong about the figures proportions? I really suck at seeing my own mistakes.

>>3532451
I should have made it more clear: I was not disparaging you. I only wanted beginners to know that it doesn't have to take 9 years to progress as much as you have progressed. Progression is a function of many different variables.

>>3532522
yeah, some people just do better or understand faster.
I am a dumb faggot so I take forever.

>>3532540
Thats not what I wanted to imply at all.

>>3532560
>>3532560
i know, I imply that myself.

>>3532521
the right arm on the girl in the middle is a monster arm, too big, too long, too thick, hand as well, legs have no depth
female head in the middle: left side of the face is wider than the right side, right eye is closer to the nose than left eye (left eye should be partially hidden by nose, or right eye should be farther away from nose). Same with the male head above.
girl on the right: arms too long/torso too short (artistic license?), left leg too big at the hip.

Is this what I'm suppose to be doing? What can I add to this?

>>3532569
This is super helpful. Thanks for taking the time to help me out.

>>3532574
>Is this what I'm suppose to be doing?
Absolutely.
>What can I add to this?
Consistency, your cross contour lines look rushed.

>>3532574
I'm no better than you but I think it would look better if the construction lines for your cylinders and ellipses were more pronounced and clear.

>>3532587
thanks you

>>3532592
yeah i struggle at visualizing so i have the tendency to work over it until i get it right.

thought on that?

>>3532416
Too good

This took me forever.

>>3532603
try with boxes and little constructions
maybe some arquitecture before trying the human body

>>3532603
Simply studying perspective will not automatically teach you how to convey form in perspective, you must study and understand the underlying forms and structure behind the figure to apply them in perspective utilizing basic forms and then refine them.

>>3532606
>>3532609
Yeah, I'll go back and draw the basic mannikin in frontal/side-view to better understand the simple shapes.
It is certainly a better apporach than trying everything at once.

>>3532603
why is he morfing into a midget

>>3532618
I made his torso too thick relative to the legs. The perspective does not help, either.

i started a week ago...how long does it take to develop in the sense of, how do i know that im ngmi how long does it take to realize that its pointless and nothing i do matters because im never gonna make it

>>3532286
>sailor sakki
Who?

>>3532626
Look at your boxes.

How do I make markers not look terrible?

>>3532758
do more with them?

>>3532600
Thanks anon

I'm looking into getting a new tablet and have my eyes on both the huion wh1049 and q11k. The former is 13 inch and the latter 11. They're both similarily priced, so should I just get the bigger one? Or feel free to suggest alternatives.

I tried drawing a head from imagination. Fuck I suck, what can I do to actually get good at drawing?

>>3532821
It's not awful, though he looks like a stroke victim

Is this a good start? or am I just forever doomed to make every drawing look like a caricature of a young Andy Griffith.

I'm studying Hampton
any suggestion?
I will upload my constructions

some armor studies

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>>3532857

>>3531504
Why is it that some individuals are able to draw well without undergoing long periods of study or loomis?

>>3532861
they draw, a lot

Okay I tried to apply what I learned
I know is wrong but where? How I fix it?
My eyes can’t tell
Any suggestions?
I’m tired I’m gonna study more tomorrow

>>3532416
If you were going for stylized drawings, then those are actually quite good. A little bit more polish and improving on the shading and it'll be really great my man

>>3532879
Oops it flipped

>>3532828
You could improve a bunch, but for a start its actually ok. Dont be too hard on yourself, you can improve surely. Study form the basics (perspective, proportions) and then go your way up.

>>3532609
what does this mean in laymans terms

>>3532830
Dont study just from one person, study proko, vilppu, loomis, etc. Be observant of your surroundings and pay attention on how everything is constructed (in basic shapes like cilinders, cubes, etc)

>>3532888
Thank you anon for your inspiring words. I do need to study a lot more. But I do appreciate you!

>>3532879
I do anon
good advice for everyone here
What about this one anon?
Can you tell me what would you do to do better p?
What is wrong with it?

>>3532883

>>3532891
I do anon
good advice for everyone here
What about this one anon?
Can you tell me what would you do to do better p?
What is wrong with it?
>>3532883

Can I get some reference photos for 3D shapes and other beginner level references.

I'm not sure I understand how to go about effectively practicing and learning. If my understanding is correct I need to replace the symbols in my mind with functional forms, ie three dimensional shapes. In order to do that I should be practicing construction, right? I'm absolutely shit at drawing, so should I just be drawing portraits from references by using construction techniques? Should I take photos and draw construction diagrams on top of them? I'm just not sure what I should be drawing to practically learn and advance my understanding.

how many times should i try to draw the upside down picasso before moving on

>>3532909
I suggested you to understand form go for vilppu drawing manu

He explains the first tools you need to understand
Gesture, form, perspective with boxes
I really easy to understand what he is explaining
After go for bargue plates to train your eyes and then draw everything from life
I think the most important thing here is the mind set p, avoid to fall over the dunning Kruger effect
I always think my stuff is bad and needs improvement, that is the only way to avoid it

>>3532915
How do you feel like? Do you want to move in and try other stuff
Artists make their own decisions.

>>3532920
not him
but come on man
I would love someone to tell me what to draw and paint, and how much to do it

>>3532881
Yeah I’m definitely going for stylization and I’ll be sure to focus more on shading and polish from now on. I usually just do relatively quick sketches to learn stuff so I’m kinda late to the game on shading. I only just now learned how to properly render a sphere. Thanks for the kind words and advice anon.

How do you keep practice from becoming aimless doodling? I've never had to study anything and don't really know how.

yeet

>>3532920
I just wanna get better overall. Can i get better if i keep honing how well i can copy this picasso drawing?

Still getting confused on where to place the action lines on these beans.

>>3532928
Maybe pay attention to what parts you don't like about your drawings and developing those specific areas.

>>3532946

>>3532947
shitter tier so I hate itt all

>>3532821
Not much wrong with it desu, just a few tweaks to the features and it would be fine

>>3532953
Mind posting some stuff?

Does tracing hold any merit as a learning tool?

>>3532700
If you have to ask you have already not made it. If you don't do it for the process you won't have the drive to get good.

>>3532946
>>3532952
/beg/ here, I've been doing Loomis' head studies as well and I just want to say yours completely blows the fuck out of mine. Of course my feedback has no practical use, but I just wanted to let you know.

What have you read and how do you practice?

>>3533058
ty anon but I still consider myself shit. I'd say the thing that helps me most is having a job in a 3D field. I would say that helps me grasp the concept of form a little better. One video that really helped me out was Proko's 'How to Draw the Head from Any Angle'. Haven't read anything really other than a quick Loomis study.

>>3533047
>If you don't do it for the process you won't have the drive to get good.
not the guy youre responding to but this helped give me the conviction I need to stick with it. Im so sick of being such a shit artist, I've almost ripped up both of my most recent pads looking at what I decided to fill them out with. It feels like im drowning

>>3531504
is andrew loomis a meme. i wanna buy his books for anatomy and face cause i hate PDF. are there better boooks?

>>3533072
Regrettably, I've given up many years that I could have spent drawing because I was depressed and dissatisfied with my work. For me I had to learn to let go of the idea of producing masterpieces so I could start studying, I was so afraid of failure that I couldn't start drawing anything. Now, fortunately, I am able to enjoy drawing again and I'm also seeing improvement. It's a good feeling. Remember anon, if we work hard we're all going to make it. Just remember that 'it' is internal

are Figure Drawing for all it's worth and Drawing the Head and Hands worth buying as a beginner?

>>3533091
I like this route for beginners

>>3531504
Are there any websites for a variety of faces you can practice drawing? To avoid same face syndrome?

is it better to buy the individual brigdman books or is the complete drawing from life just everything in one?
cause I kinda want to get all the individual ones, seems like there'd just be more. also 10 bucks a book is fantastic so why not kinda thing

>>3533040
Do it to analyze the position of landmarks and other features and their relation to each other. Draw anatomy on top. Don't use it as a shortcut for contours and stuff.

>>3533124
thanks. also i went to a artshop and got this book for 7$. is it a good book?

>>3531504
I made the OP image. neato.Going to try to draw everyday to get the most out of my tablet. Did anyone else get a tablet for prime day?

So, most of us draw with lines to define contours or shapes but some artists seem to forego lines alltogether and define all the shapes in their "sketches" with hatching to indicate light differentials. Is this a whole different approach or a step up from lines and can you simply evolve from a line-based drawer to a - i dunno - "value-based"(?) drawer?

fun with a pencil can go fuck itself honestly

perspective made easy, figure drawing for all its worth and Micheal Hampton's figure drawing design and invention are the holy trifecta for /beg/ gains. start with perspective made easy and if you find yourself getting bored start one of the other books and keep shuffling between those three when you find the material becoming stale, the lessons they teach all play into each other.

hey I got bullied out of painting when I was a preteen for not wanting to draw anime but I took out my bamboo and found a crack of SAI and decided to take a crack at it but I suck

there's so much going on here. where do I start? I've tried doing still life art classes and stuff and have seen improvement in that particular environment but I still feel like a middle schooler everywhere else

>>3533189

watch marco bucci 10 minutes to become a painter youtube series, there are a lot of components into what makes a good painting and knowing what those components are is the first step

>>3533191
I'll try it out, thanks

I seem to have some kind of mental block where I cannot picture in my mind what I am trying to draw. So I just end up guessing what I am supposed to draw, and it turns out awful.

How do I improve my third eye so that I can see in my mind what I want to draw?

>>3533201
Increase visual library by doing studies from photos or other artists, consuming content (movies, video games, creating an inspiration folder)

>>3533191
this guy is still too good for me to follow along with but I'll keep it in my watch more for later

aside from the paints effect tool in SAI I don't really know how to do textures yet

>>3533168
Just try it and find out. Just hatch random objects , and squint to see values better

>>3531597
fuck man, this helped a lot.

working through Loomis and got to the divided ball and plane method. Should i practise this with reference images or continue drawing from imagination like with the cartoonish characters?

>Have a body reference book
>Have a face reference book
>Have a reference book for emotions
>Have a reference book for hand gestures
>Have a reference book for poses
>trace from all of the books, but combine them to create something new

How retarded is this modular approach and why is it actually coming out good? Need a face? Just trace from reference x and have the body come from reference b. Hand gestures? Erase the hands on the body and trace new ones.

>>3533336
Post your Frankenstein drawing.

>>3532762

is my perspective on or off

>>3533414

>>3533427
so almost on? just have to correct the further part of the wall and make some slight adjustments to a couple places and it all comes to a single point.

Am i doing Dodson's exercise right?
I can't really tell if the fingers look right.

>>3532103
Yo friend. I felt like. Truly.
I'm 24 and just like one year ago I was diagnosted a HDAD (Attention deficit hyperactivity).
This saved me, bro. I was just about to quit History school because I was certain that I was just dumber than everyone. High school was already hard (and I did 1st year twice) but somehow I managed to pull it off - getting in college was 2 parts "right-place-right-time" luck and one part merit. Finishing college was just impossible.
Being a HDAD is tricky. You're not stupid or mentally retarded - you just have trouble focusing on stuff thus remebering them later (even if that's REALLY interesting and you want to learn), theorically or pratically. And people will never undersant that besides thinking you're just lazy or irresponsible.
Go see a doctor and get you and exam. Some people take controlled pills for that (I take one ritalin a day), some people need B12 vitamin in pills (also related to attention and learning), a friend of mine takes pills for stop smoking because it keeps you confortable under your skin so you don't feel you need to smoke (ends up helping a lot).
It's alright my friend.

rate my another garbage attempt

>>3533573
You're not a bad artist, Anon. But these are just sketches.

>>3533600
would do more if my tablet worked :^(
I am not really good at traditional.

>>3533603
you shouldn't do digital art as an escape of traditional.
also, I'm sorry about what I'm gonna say: if this is the best you can do (and I don't wanna believe it its) in tradicional art, your digital art is probably bad

>>3533630
>>3533630
this is my digital

i hate drawing every time i put pencil to paper i feel all the energy drained out of me and inevitably something shit will get drawn and i dont feel like i’ve learnt anything
i can’t concentrate on a book for more than a few sentences and the fundamentals never seem to stick with me

>>3533786
Is that your work anon?

If its not then you're NGMI

>>3533786
welcome to art, is that pic yours?

>>3533786
Try harder.

>>3533786
Are you me?

>>3533799
The artist is daisukerichard on twitter, not him obviously

>https://youtu.be/OyTWVYHgCXM?t=385
>i actually like this
what the fuck is wrong with me

>>3533817
>Hitler staches

>>3533828
wew

>>3533787
great thx
>>3533816
>>3533799
her

>>3533786

if you liked it before but now you hate, then just take a break, should solve your problem

if you always hated it, find another thing to do

>>3533870
i don’t enjoy anything i’m not good at

>>3533910
then youre autistic and/or a 16 year old

>>3533910
Either let go of your ego or do something else. You're not going to get good overnight, if you can't accept that you'll be happier if you give up

with reference like this should I focus on getting the values to blend as smoothly as possible to simulate the soft shadows on the skin? I know some people say to not be afraid of clear brush strokes and hard edges

>>3533975
nuke those fucking lines or your edges will never improve

I've tried reading Hampton but I just end up copying/studying the pretty pictures. Do you guys have any tips on reading dry as hell art books?

Pic is some of my figure drawings

>>3533982
In my headcanon Loomis is trying to teach me how to draw cute girls.

>>3533982
Read stuff you don't already know.

>>3533978
But I like linework, I don't plan to go full painting anytime soon, or does that not matter?

>>3533982
did you tried the pomodoro technique? it works for me

quick question. should i jump straight into one of loomis/hampton/vilppu or should i start with "keys to drawing" and "how to draw"?

>>3534029
Go straight for the good shit while diddling with Keys to feel more confident and maybe learn the basics of drawing what is there. I'm not really hot on jumping straight into construction but the gist of it goes further than just fucking around.

>>3534042
thank you for the fast reply

>>3532009
>doot doot

When you're trying to do the draw reference upside down thing, are you supposed to have both your drawing and the reference upside down, or is it one or the other?

2 years of drawing experience. How'd I do?

>>3534147
watch the negative space. look at every part individual and look for errors like the ar pointing towards us? it is not tilted like you drew it

>>3534154
like me till i noticed (after 5 years) that i did everything wrong i could do wrong. Change your learning and you will improve within weeks

>>3534154
Lazy.

>>3534165
I fixed her eyes somewhat and adjusted her elbow, I'm not sure what you mean by negative space though. Through a 20 second Google are you saying there's parts of the paper I'm subconsciously trying to keep lines out of?

>>3534190
The negative space of the image is the part of the image you haven't drawn in. Because it's something that results from your drawing, rather than being what you're drawing intentionally, studying it can be a useful way of checking your drawing. It's usually most obvious when there's a whole formed by the drawing, which isn't the case here (other than the space between the hand and body) so I'm not sure why other anon emphasized it, but you can see for example that the shape formed by the negative space to the (viewer's) left of the head is wildly different in your drawing and the original.

>>3534169
Not him, but could you expound? "Change your learning" is about as broad as you can get with advice.

Hey guys, maybe you can help me out with something

I'm trying to rediscover my love for drawing.

Back in high-school I used to doodle all the time whatever would come to my mind and loved it. At some point, as I felt the pressure of growing up, I thought that maybe I could/should turn this silly doodling into some kind of real skill, but shortly after trying to learn how to draw for real, I lost all the love I had for drawing and stopped all together.

I finished college now and I barely drew for those 4 years, but now I slowly starting to get back into it - how do I not loose the love for drawing and even learn to love it more? Did anyone else experience something similar before?

>>3534190
>I'm not sure what you mean by negative space though.
Your figure is a form "d on paper but 3D in your imagination. She fills space on your paper. Negative Space are the parts around her or that are left white. Like the little gap between her arm and her dress
>pic related
try to look at the negative space to. don't just draw her outline

>>3534197
forgot pic
and 2d not "d

>>3534194
Oh I understand, it's part of how you can check how close it is to the reference. I will freely admit that the left side of her head was bullshitted heavily instead of a proper copy.
>>3534197
I think I understand better, I'll read more on it.

>>3534194
>so I'm not sure why other anon emphasized it,
negative space can be more
The outline can be viewd as a negative too look at her left ear. You see that her hair goes OVER her ear while he drew it as one contin. line the neg space could've helped here too

>>3534208
the same goes for the chin and so on.
His linework is nice tho. pretty smooth and no chicken scratch

What's wrong with this? Other than being unoriginal. I have experience in graphic design, but zero drawing skills and I'd like to get at a decent level by the end of the year. The third image is the style I was trying to copy, while the second one is me messing around with shading. I felt pretty good about this in the morning, but now that it's getting late it's dawning on me it's terrible and I will not get any better. I have no idea why this looks like shit nor how I could improve it. Any advice/tips?

>>3534208
Thank you for the advice, I'm redrawing the side of her head now.
>>3534213
Ty, I actually chicken scratch the fuck out of most of my lines but try to go back and define them while erasing the extra. It's part of why I'm hopeless with a pen.

>>3534194
>Not him, but could you expound? "Change your learning" is about as broad as you can get with advice.
Well for starters, he is not learning at all.
If i had to guess i would say he only or most of the time doodles on copy paper.
If he really want to change his learning he should start with forms and linequality. Next he should do perspective. cubes spheres and stuff like that.
When he's done with that. and i mean at least good enough to draw a cube where the lines connect like in >>3533427
Then he can start going into anatomy. construction and life drawing. Maybe start with gesture while grinding fundies. And from time to time pick up colour and work with that.

What's wrong with this besides for the ref I took was cross-eyed on purpose? Any advice on laying out shadows along the form because I've forgotten everything I knew.

>>3534234
Your eyes look like symbol drawing. The mouth looks inclined. go with the forms when shading

I honestly don't know how to color my work. That shit seems really complicated, blending, etc. I've stuck with illustration with graphite right now. Tips on how to begin adding color to my drawings as well as criticism of my style ples

>>3534279
Pick a classical palette of ultramarine blue and burnt sienna and go at it. You'll figure out the rest along the way. Other pigments in the same range are optional substitutes and work well. You fuck with value and chroma between 2 colors for a while and it all makes sense. When you figure out how to mix red and green with them, you can move on. Watercolor btw, anything else feels barbaric, pay out for decent student paper, 300gsm at the least or it warps.

>>3534296

thank you; I'll try this technique and get the paper. Could you criticize my style please? I'm mostly going off of reference from paintings I like. How do I grow out of that stage and start doing my own stuff? People say draw or paint from life, but everything outside just seems boring. Like a tree etc. I drew a rock the other day which was kind of interesting..anyways any tips?

here's an attempt

>>3534301
Find and old master or two and then anyone painting before 1930 and look at everything they have to offer. Paintings and sketches. Fuck with copying them and doing shit on their level for a few years and go from there.

To sum up the pro advice from the past thousand years

>draw trees
>draw flowers
>draw anything where you're sitting at the moment, especially things that move like birds, dogs, and children
>paint from life, as above
>do master studies, which is the point of following 2 or 3 fuckers until you can make an exact enough copy of one of their masterworks
>portraits

There you go, you're an old master in the making in 5 years at 8 hours a day. Porn artists are okay for the third guy.

WIP for Tower Girl Drider.

I did a 3 tone shade gonna work out more shading but before that I need a better way to connect the navel to the spider and I need to make the drider look a bit more like royalty.

>>3534304
Draw basic shapes before you try T&A, it's pretty clear you're just mocking other drawings rather than constructing the figure from the ground up.

>>3534317
what's T&A

R8 fags,
got more of these shits

>>3534327
Well, writing looks like the pseudo-drama of a teenager. This is a very stylistic drawing and I don't like it one bit. You could choose to ignore me though, maybe my taste is shit anyways.

>>3534319
Tits and Ass

>>3534195
draw what you like, draw to have fun and don't expect it to be good

>>3534217
your lines are all the same thickness, and you did not shade it, at least I can't tell where the light is like I can with the third image

How do my gesture drawings look?

>want to sketch a person
>first draw a correctly proportioned stick figure in the pose i want to draw in
>start sketching the torso
>way to wide
>start sketching the legs
>way too fat
>start sketching the arms
>way too small
>basically looks like a human t-rex
>cry
>abuse the selection and transform tools until i can create a frankenstein monster that is halfway correctly proportioned
>set layer to 50% transparency and draw over the abomination

how retarded is my construction process on a scale of 1 to 10

>>3534336
>your lines are all the same thickness, and you did not shade it, at least I can't tell where the light is like I can with the third image
Thank you. Initially thought the original only had two lines of thickness (thin and thick) but I see now it's more varied than that. I'm guessing that's why it's more dynamic/realistic/3D? I'm having a hard time with drawing in the shading, as the original photo doesn't seem to have any (to my eyes, anyway).

>>3534390
Well you're missing the measure your reference that should be in between each single item on your list.

You're going to be measuring every single day on every single drawing until you feel good enough to leave /beg/

>>3534396
>Well you're missing the measure your reference that should be in between each single item on your list.

What does this mean? I'm not drawing from references. I might use a reference for a pose, but I'm (probably foolishly) not drawing realistic human proportions. instead Im drawing stylized/anime proportions. so references only help to a degree.

>>3534406
References give you correct proportions. If you're not drawing correct proportions it's because you haven't memorized proportions well enough so you must use references.

>>3534369
okay not sure if I'm doing right or I'm just drawing mindless lines, im trying hard thou.
I know some pros come here, to beg, just to make fun of us, please pro artist tell me if I'm doing wrong, where, how to fix it, how to avoid, how to improve, for free of course

>>3534154
I made a checklist of things I usually do in a drawing that comes out ok. I did better this time but I'm still disappointed.

Been a 4chan user or years now, but just discovered this board so I guess now I'm gonna waste some extra hours on this dumpster of a website. I need some critique on picrelated, it's some char from LOL that a bestbud of mine asked me to do so I gave him my best. It's been 4 years now since I got into drawing again, and pic is from 1 year ago, but I really don't feel I have gotten much better. Also, I have only painted with pencils in all of my experience, I want to try other ways, but am not so sure about how or which.

>>3534416
Oh I got it
I know I can see it
The masseter muscle is on the corner of the mandible. The origin is from the temporal bone arc.

If you are wondering where I got this info, its from a anatomical resource app.

>>3534410
I think part of the problem might be related to the fact i start my sketch while really zoomed in (i skipped straight into digital art) so i'll try sketching more zoomed out

>>3534425
“It’s shit” .......

Welcome to 4chan ic

>>3534425
Same anon
Look this place is for fundamentals
I think you should got to stylization board look for it
But anyways
Just saying p, you are free to do wherever you want

>>3534392
>I'm guessing that's why it's more dynamic/realistic/3D?

that would be my guess too

>I'm having a hard time with drawing in the shading, as the original photo doesn't seem to have any (to my eyes, anyway).

well the way I see it. there is the shadow in his left eye, in the left side of his lip and in his neck (there are more but those are the main ones for me)

>>3534433
It may be, but tell me what makes it shit you faggot? I know I'm a living asshole, but I too want to improve, so give me some constructive critique, please.
>>3534437
I don't understand what you mean with fundamentals and >I think you should got to stylization board look for it

>>3534428
Abuse the fact that you can zoom way out to do big lines with the precision of your wrist, since people on small tablets don't have the luxury of easily "drawing from the shoulder."

>>3534441
Calm down calm down
You need to read the sticky from OP
No one will criticize something like this, for two reasons
1. It’s stylization
2. You are not practicing fundamentals ( you can find the fundamentals in the sticky I said before)

Practice your fundamentals and become a god tier artist.

how do I set up brushes for blocking and rendering on SAI?

Hi, I need help with my LineArt and Adobe Animate,
Is there a way to delete a segment of a line after an intersection while using the brush tool?
I know We can do that with the Pencil Tool (Picture related), and that makes it a lot easier, but since the pencil tool doesn’t have pressure sensitivity and the ‘line correction’ with the pencil tool is not as friendly as the brush tool I was wondering if anybody knows if there’s a way to replicate the mentioned function with the brush tool?

>>3531504
>mfw I'm an absolute beginner and I keep reading this fucking hellhole instead of practicing

Today, I practiced eyes

How did I do?

>deleted last post because I'm retarded and didn't rotate

I drew eyes
How did I do?

>>3533145
Absolutely. I find Hamm very helpful, his book is sorted by body part and is very to the point.

>>3534423
What'd you change between the first picture and the second picture? I like the second one a lot more

Hello, newfag here.

Is Bargue's course good for a scrub like me? I had art classes when I was kid and the last time I held a pencil was in tech school while drawing mechanical parts, nothing too fancy eh?
However, I found that book and I was struck by how spartan it looks, is it good for a 1st timer? Thanks.

>>3534578

The artbook thread has a beginner essentials pastebin you can dig through to find shit everyone pretty much agrees is good. More important than your choice of course is whether you're spending adequate time with your fundies (line quality, forms, value, perspective, etc), so try to find stuff that teaches you those and practice that shit literally every single day no matter what you draw

Honestly if you're a pure beginner it's a lot like exercise where even if you fuck around a bunch you'll still make progress for a little while, so whether it's bargue plates or whatever else just pick something and stick with it

>>3534586
Alright, sounds like solid advice.
Thanks for your time.

Give me the feedback, gonna draw hands for a while. I know that's bad.

>>3531504
been reading the league of extraordinary gentlemen and i love it so much plus i love the art. been learning from the art. any advice to absorb the knowledge easyer

>>3534675
forgot picture

>>3534572
Here's the checklist I made to try and keep me focused:

Observe subject.
Notice where the center of the subject is.
Draw a line for the verticle midsection of the face and horizontal section for the eyes.
Measure how wide face is compared to how long. Use blind contour to establish initial width.
In between this and every following step, check for accuracy. Sit back, turn paper around, take measurements.
Lightly sketch outlines of features.
Outline the shadows, midtones, and highlights.
Lightly add details.
Fill by drawing in direction of the form.
Blend.
Go heavy on details.
If using toned paper, use white pencil for highlights.

>>3533191
in his example he starts off copying an already finished painting, but how do I sketch out my own painting then? that's what I don't get

>>3534491
You're symbol drawing, see
>>3534553
for an example of eyes that aren't symbol drawn.

>>3532229
I'm also looking for the hitokaku books but I can't find them anywhere

>>3535076
I drew it stylized on purpose, I was going for a mix of comic book and anime. Probably should have clarified that in my initial post but thank you for the genuine critique anyways instead of just posting "git gud"

why I can't render for shit

>>3536150
another fucking SHIT attempt
I'm 1000x better with pencil, changing the brush every single time is a pain in the ass and it is hurting my hand

is it me or my tools?

>>3536226
Can't you hotkey the tools you need or something?