/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

What book or resources should I use for learning stuff like light/shadow, volume, and other similar beginner concepts?

>>3503437

is this okay?

>>3503524
If its supposed to be a child/early teen , then yes

I used to think using cmyk sliders was autism but now I've seen the literal fucking light.

Where's the book thread? I'm struggling to find this "The Watercolorist's Essential Notebook" book

>>3503569
currently dead. use the built-in archive. alla prima 2 was posted lmao

>>3487276

>>3503465
-1000000/10

I'm going to start taking art lessons at a local studio next week. I'm hoping they can help me improve.

>>3503800

>>3503800
Let us know how it went.

>>3503437
I got the workbook version of Drawing on the Right Side of the brain; is it worth uploading the exercises here, or should I just upload my independent drawings?

Any advice for someone wanting to start oil painting? Should I become familiar with the ways of paper and pen before I begin or should I just start and learn everything from painting?

Once again I'm here to ask you about the anatomy. How is it?

>>3503898
Tolerable maybe? Biggest problem is her left arm is thicker than her right, and her arms are in an awkward position, you should look for references of that pose. Also hips are weird maybe shoulders too big for a grill

>>3503898
What do you mean by anatomy?

>>3503898
As the other guy said, shoulders are big. Especially when compared to those hips. I would either make the hips bigger or the shoulders smaller. Make the shoulders smaller.

Why do you ask for anatomy critique after doing line art, coloring, and shading? Best to get the original composition right first.

>>3503524
the anatomy is nice but your foreshortening is fucked, try the loomis approach to help yourself visualize perspective (and if you already have, keep trying it)

slaughter me

>>3504049
fix the eyes son

>>3504125
Ref used.

>>3503945
>>3504005

Thank you a lot anons.

Third one
I don’t have something to say about it

Which author would you reccomend to fix my shit?

Do I stick with Loomis? My perspective seems fucked.

Are any of these gestures?

>>3504214
No

>>3504212
>Which author would you reccomend to fix my shit?
The one that makes you draw the most balled naked people.
>My perspective seems fucked.
Where would the horizon be if you had to place it?

>>3504214
Should help you
https://youtu.be/pa_2rL1K1mg

This drawing is already on on the canvas
Im gonna use burn sienna as the reference
Wish me luck
I don’t have idea how to use oils
Please someone tell me something becerro paint it. I’m gonna wait 15 minutes
How much oil?
Do I need something special before doing it?
The background first right?

Just a question, when you go through a book do you linger on exercises until you feel like you got it right or just keep going through till you finish the book? I'm going through dobson's book from the sticky btw.

all i want to do all day is grind shapes

everybody is made of shapes

everything is made of shapes

break it down into shapes

then break it down into more shapes

>>3504246
Sounds good.

>>3504212
are you sure you're using loomis as your foundation

looks like you're just drawing anime

>>3504241
I plow through the book without doing the exercises.

>>3504246
I don't get this at all. Where are you getting these shapes from in the owl? Why is the head a lumpy oval at first, when it's clearly closer to a rectangle or trapezoid? Why did you draw the body as an oval when you can draw it as a box with rectangle attached at the bottom (before the tail starts)?

>>3504250
>looks like you're just drawing anime
And that is literally all you need to start drawing anime. His favorite artists on pixiv probably never even heard of loomis

>>3504236
Have never done any painting so I don't have a clue. But check out this guy he sounds like he knows what he is doing https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXgSi1Kwt7K2RUOapq2KHuQ
Good luck.

>>3504231
Alright, ill draw nude people. Horizon line would be around the girl boobs, middle.

>>3504250
I actually always try to make an Avatar style but suck at it, I know. As for Loomis, well, I do the construction thing first.

>>3504266
wait no I completely fucked over that horizon line, pretend I didnt reply

>>3504241
my advice: don't get caught up on exercises you barely understand the meaning for

the exercises are there to give you an idea of what should be, but the processing your brain has to go through to understand why "should be" actually is, is often completely lost

you can see where processing information goes wrong all the time here on /beg/, i don't need to point it out. the only thing you need to do is keep drawing until your brain learns how to process information just for drawing. lots of book writers try to make this act of processing sound like some kind of arcane function your right-side brain does, so we'll just go with that

>>3504253
Are you new to memes or something?

>>3504285
Aha, I've definitely seen this, and I thought of it when he posted that. But it has been a while. I didn't realize it was a reference. His post goes kinda in depth about shapes and whatnot, so I thought it was serious

>>3504289
it is serious you meathead. humor doesn't invalidate good advice

im >>3503318
imagination training using loomis mannequins

I think my memory issues are going to forever stop me from making it. Feels like I have to go over things I've learned once a week to try and keep it in my head.

>>3504292
i don't think copying loomis' mannequin poses actually helps with anything

if you want to draw from imagination then DRAW FROM IMAGINATION and use references when having trouble.

>>3504298
Repetition is the mother of all learning.

>>3504292
These weird loomis mannequins are waaay too complicated as an base.

>>3504301
30-40% of those are from imagination

>>3504315
i can tell

>>3504049
There's no form behind any of the features, just symbols

Hey guys, beginner here.
What is the average cash amount well skilled pros get in this industry?
I am disabled and have plenty of free time to draw, but was wondering if it was worth it.
Thanks.

>>3504375
about tree fiddy

>>3504378
oh so not over 9000?

>>3504380
xdd

Here is my attempt at the exercise 2-E from Keys to Drawing. How bad is it?

>>3504049
Look at a refrence when trying to draw shadows cause there are shadows that just should not be there

I could use some featback on this.

So I need to wait to paint over it?

I can’t get better strokes and values because the pigment moves, did I use too much oil?
I try to do more strokes but the pigment just doesn’t stay

>>3504480
I tried to fix the orientation.
So, I paint, wait after it dries and paint again?
Is not like digital :v
Someone tell me

Fine I don’t need your help guys
I’m gonna wait then :v

>>3504473
I'm probably not very qualified but I feel like the values could be pushed a little more with a bit more dark and the whole thing is kinda lacking definition in some areas like the neck.

>>3503437
i feel that something is off about this piece but i cant put my tounge on it.

>>3504125
This is the level I wish I was at.

Would I get laughed at if I posted in a local buy and sell group offering drawing services for cheap or free? I can advertise that I'm disabled if that helps.

I want to learn to add value to this drawing I did without reference but I have no clue how to even start. I'd like to use cell shading and hatching.

critique appreciated

>>3502935
Mostly finished with the coloring, didn't use color picker, so there are a few things off but I think I'm ready to move on.

>>3504514
lmao

>>3504521
>>3504514

Heres another I did from reference. I like this style but I draw a blank when I try to do it without reference.

>>3504518
what did you learn from this?

>>3504514
Get her to a hospital senpai, because that leg is broken

>>3504544

Yeah I fucked up the leg pretty bad. Anything else?

>>3503437
can i get some insight on these poses?

trying something new here, how is my construction?

>>3504564
symboltopia

>>3504566
>symboltopia
redlineopolis?

>>3504567
>asking for a redline for your symbols

just look at any art textbook for a 3/4ths head

>>3504531
colors are bullshit.

>>3504570
what books other than loomis?

>>3504577
try Michael Hampton, Figure Drawing: Design and Invention

>>3504570
Do you even know what symbols mean?

>>3504595
yes

>>3504564
It appears to have human proportions

>>3504292

Focus on the weight distribution. for standing poses think about the leg that is bearing the weight. If you're character looks like it's floating away you're doing something wrong. Pose needs to be stable and action pose needs to have a direction from and to.

I highly suggest using the mannequin to emulate poses from ref. Do like 20 per day as warm up or go more if you have time and can stay focus.

>>3504301

The whole point of the mannequin is to help with designing poses. And drawing from imagination is pulling from an existing knowledge. All that anon have to do is do a lot of gesture or use the mannequin to study poses. The more he do the more he learn and the more he can pull from when he draws from imagination.

He's not copying loomis drawings but he's tried to draw from imagination. The only problem is his database of knowledge regarding poses is lacking.

>>3503465
SCUUUUUUUUUUUM GAAAAAAAAAAAAANG

>>3504246
Your shapes need work, drawabox would help.

>>3504564
stop shitposting

>>3504251
the chad plow vs the virgin grind

>>3503437

>>3504684
is this one of those optical illusions

>>3504564
it's better than your old stuff

Wasted my whole night watching video courses on composition that didn't really explain anything and now I'm too tired and hot to draw.

Pick your studying subjects carefully /beg/ it could cost you

>>3504693
>too tired
>too hot
excuses

how do i stop my digital paintings to look blurry when I render? I tried to increase the contrast but it only makes things weirder.

>>3504693
Don't ever sleep, just keep drawing. Stop eating too, it'll ruin your gains.

>>3504718
This. I never understood why /ic/tan is a fat guy, he should be skinny to fit the starving artist thing.
(also he would look exactly like me then)

>>3504564
>trying something new here

>>3504564
Your problem with construction is that you're laying down 'scaffolding' alright, but then half-assing the features. Use references, and if you don't understand the forms study some Hampton

how to overcome extreme crushing depression and lack of motivation and focus as a lazy mentally-ill NEET shut-in to actually be able to study this beginner stuff

I've been trying to make myself "practice" every day, but it only manifests as 10-30 minutes of shittily copying a model in a photo as a crappy sketch, or trying to follow Keys to Drawing or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and just burning out and losing all my energy from simply not getting it or feeling like I'm not learning... what over the counter drugs do I need to abuse because the prescription antidepressants aren't helping

>>3504712
pic related

I started doing a little personal comic thing to give myself something to help me encourage myself to draw every day. Is doing this while /beg/ tier worth it or will drawing "wrong" outside of book exercises/gestures/fundies cement in bad habits?
In addition to that can someone recommend me a resource that can help specifically with figuring out pacing and layout? I know there's stuff on the stickied /ic/ guide for comics but I can't figure out which is the best to grab.

>>3504737
you need to start taking on more personal responsibility and stop lying to yourself and others, this is the next step. Stop wallowing in the comfort of depression

>>3504743
keep doing what you're doing, it's good.
Check out Scott Mccloud's how to comic books as well as the eisner storytelling book and Framed Ink

>>3503437
uhhhhhhhh he looks a lil stubby to me

>>3504740
use a higher opacity brush and work on edge control

>>3504743
There's absolutely nothing wrong with drawing something 'wrong' as long as you can objectively evaluate your work to understand why it's wrong. This is the trap deviantart kiddies fall into, they can't/won't evaluate their work and then focus on where they need to improve

first time i tried to made some backrounds and colors and shadows, i need to practice more

>>3504743
>>3504752
Tl;dr do fundies and comics

>>3504306
name of the artist?

>>3504306
use the simple mannequins he suggests starting out with. you know, like in the book.
you HAVE read the books havent you

>>3504758
google "Thanks my dude! That's really flattering"

can't do nothin', have no talent, roast me

>>3504761
hahahahahahaha
what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
>>3504306

>>3504763
>>3504566

>>3504745
It's so amazing how absolutely none of those words you said actually mean anything

>>3504766
maybe if you lack any reading comprehension
what are you confused about?

I am trying to just keep on drawing but I feel like I'm not improving very fast

>>3504748
>>3504756
Thanks m8 i'll get on it then

>>3504761
what

>>3504765
thanks never heard that one before

>>3504763
Sticky, draw what you see not what you think you see, construction, etc etc

>>3504798
>draw what you see not what you think you see

That's what I thought I did.

>>3504798
>construction

This always seems to make things worse for me.

>>3504798
>draw what you see not what you think you see

That's what I thought I did.

>construction

This always seems to make things worse for me.

>draw what you see not what you think you see

That's what I thought I did.

>>3504798
>construction

This always seems to make things worse for me.

>>3504809
Well if you're practicing correctly just keep doing it and you'll get better

>>3504495
these are baller son get tf outta beginner thread

>>3504490
it looks like you're painting on an image that's way too small or you need a smaller brush. and yeah, get used to layering. takes muchhh longer to work up to something. it does give you a much greater appreciation for trad.

>>3504740
Your drawing looks as flat as a sheet of paper.

I tried doing the igor exercise. I drew him a little too big, though, and he ended up not fitting on my page and my proportions and jazz got fucked.

I mean, you can still kind of maybe tell it's supposed to be igor, if you looked at it from the hands up. How do I not accidentally draw bigger than my reference?

>>3504886
keys to drawing does this "finding the midpoint" thing but really you just have to block in the big shapes using the enveloping method described in the sticky

>>3504897
I went through Hopp's thing and with a quick skim through the w/ic/i I can't quite find what you're talking about? Will this enveloping method be covered in "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain"? I borrowed it from the library some time ago because Hopp's thingie recommended it.

>>3504749
i don't know your process but you should draw the entire gesture first instead of detailing it from top to bottom

more gesture work for you

>>3504473
i dont know whats up with beginner digital artists you guys blend so fucking much like chill out a lil bit it wont make your drawing more realistic you need to pay attention to where blending is necessary and when hard lines define the ends of shadows or light areas

also put shading underneath head

>>3504527
fix the feet im not gonna give specifics just look at a foot reference other than that its pretty solid except for the fact that hes sitting on nothing

>>3504685
I believe so

How do I construct hair? I don't think I've ever come across anything on it in my studies.

>>3505459
Think of it as ribbons stacked in layers. I don’t think the tutorial on YouTube talking about this method is particularly good but the idea is good.

>>3503649
Hey motherfucker where is my business lady gf, I haven't had an update in over a day

How's this and what would you price it at?

>>3505474
paint over that shitty drawn human at the bottom and you could probably sell it on etsy for a decent amount to a normie

>>3505484
Any advice on how to make the shitty human less shitty?

>>3505495
studying real people. or loomis. I never utilized loomis myself because im extremely visual and observative but it helps people who aren't.

>>3505495
in the mean time you can make it a silhouette if you don't want to paint over it completely. reduce the contrast and wash it with a darker value. look up references that will help you with this

>>3505474
The tail doesnt look small and far away. It looks small and right next to him.

does this skele look healthy in terms of proportions?

>>3505531
All the limbs are too long, the head is too small and the pelvis seem to be too tall as well.

>>3504685

why are you guys being such dicks hes trying to learn

>>3504737

you have to find your spark senpai.

the spark of determination that becomes a roaring blaze of success. my spark is that I want to become a great mangaka.

What do you want more than anything else?

>>3505650
is he really? not like he asked for feedback or anything, he just dumped the image here. I at least replied to it, guess I could've added a "read the sticky" or something.

does anybody know who’s artwork it this?

>>3505655
Guys I'm the one who posted the "optical illusion" (By that I think you mean "line value" which shows that if you make stronger line, it appears in the forefront,) i'm not mad or anything. I just thought it was pretty obvious that if you posted a pic in /beg/ you are open to specific criticism or you to improve. I mean I thought it was pretty obvious. So go ahead. Lol you have my blessing.

>>3504769
I really like them anon, keep it up

>>3505474
Why would you put your autograph on the subject?

>>3505711
yeah the thing's hands and feet throw you off, I could not tell which way he was facing. Didn't mean to be rude though, don't give up frend, I am not any better

>>3505474
Why would you put your autograph on the subject?

>>3505724
>>3505729

>give waifu please

you cant hide what you did

>>3505733
... I don't know what you're talking about, friend

>>3504684

Can I see your reference?

Off the bat I can see you are symbol drawing and do not have a good grasp on anatomy... yet. Its good that you are trying to be anatomically correct at this stage, most people dont consider that.

>>3505763
lol when i saw the miniature i thought it was a picture, really nice painting anon

did i do good

>>3505763
wtf i thought it was a picture too, didn't even open it, thought it was some reference or something

>>3505763
Graduating class of 2018, congrats anon

>>3505792
You're held back. Sorry, anon

>>3505797
i swear if i wasnt drawing with a mouse it would be half decent

>>3505474
5 bucks at a garage sale if I had an autistic nephew that is into pokemon

>>3505547
did three more, aside from 2's too wide shoulders what mistakes do I keep making?

>>3505805
I'll give you an incomplete to make up the grade as long as you promise to buy a tablet or start drawing on paper

>>3505817
learn the skin and muscles. it's good to have a working knowledge of the skeleton but it's not useful until much later. the skull is a bit different as that helps if you're doing portraiture but your skull isn't accurate at all and the rest of the skeleton is barely accurate.

Pic related, an accurate skull

Pic related, an accurate skull

>>3505817
nice space marine skeletons dude

>>3505817
Previous post still applies.

I did a study, how did I do?

Taking cirno's perfect drawing class here.

Which books are best for learning the prerequisit sections like shadows/volume and perception?

I've read over a lot of Dodson's how to draw so I think I have the first section on lines and techniques covered, but I can't find any one good resources for properly shading and adding volume to shapes.

For perspective I'm goin to study perspective made easy, but for perception I don't know what book is best for that.

Any help?

>>3505891
a study you say? what did you learn from studying this?

>>3503437
When using reference, should the priority be copy it as precise as you can, or nail other things like gesture even if the drawing doesn't match the reference 1:1?

>>3505902
That all depends on what you want from the reference. You can take any element from a given picture under closer inspection.

>>3505894
That I don't know how to draw muscles properly. I also learned that the body has some weird muscles around the knee area.

>>3505906
>That all depends on what you want from the reference
Since my characters always look stiff, I guess you coould say I want to build a better visual library

>>3505912
In that case, yes, focus on gesture.

>>3505902
If you want to build a certain muscle, you lift in ways that puts stress on that muscle. Determine what you need to practice and focus on that when drawing.

How do you prevent your shit from overlapping like with my shadow here? Like, if you're making a shadow, do you actually have to make it all in one go, because when I'm trying to shade in a shadow, I inevitably drag the brush over already shaded areas, and make it darker than the rest of the shadow, making it look like a big sloppy splotch.

>>3505929
your pic makes no sense but if youre having this edge problem, learn to effectively use the lasso tool so you don't bleed incorrect values everywhere

>>3505929
Turn off brush opacity.

thoughts?

>>3505939
Fuck off.

>>3505939
I think you should stop using a noise filter like a pussy

>>3505943
?

>>3505946
yeah, i guess i was just trying to make it look more textured, idk how to give the skin that textured look

>>3505955
you don't need to texture the skin and if you really want to then it should only be in parts of the face that the lightsource allows to show texture. putting one ugly filter over the whole thing looks like shit

What do you guys think ?
Also if anybody know of an artist with a somewhat similar style it'd be of great help.

>>3505939
I really like how you did the skin.

>>3505963
>4 fucking toes
back to studies with you

>>3505965
ffs can't believe I missed that

>>3505963
>>3505965
>>3505967
A Y Y
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>>3505892
>Taking cirno's perfect drawing class here.
it's a fucking meme.

>Which books are best for learning the prerequisit sections like shadows/volume and perception?
>I've read over a lot of Dodson's how to draw so I think I have the first section on lines and techniques covered, but I can't find any one good resources for properly shading and adding volume to shapes.
Have you actually drawn the things he tells you in that book? Chapters 4 and 5 are just as important as the ones before it. After that it trails off but 1-5 are necessary. The first 3-4 chapters of Scott Robertson How to Render if you want to go in-depth. But really, observe and study still-life setups around you then recreate them.

>but for perception I don't know what book is best for that.
Another reason these vague infographic guides are bullshit made for easy likes and (you)s. You can't be spoonfed all these, you have to actually do some research on your own for what you want. Other people can't tell you if you haven't tried yourself. You don't even know perspective, don't get ahead of yourself.

>>3504564
la creatura...

Realized that I've never really sat down and done anything in Loomis, how are my Blooks?

>>3505796

graduating from what? /beg/? pfft if you can draw a decent circle you already graduated from /beg/.

By /beg/ I mean this shithole not the beginner stage.

>>3505939
QTp2t

>>3506094
Enjoy the bucket

These are probably stupid questions so please no bully.

1. Is two point perspective the most commonly used?

2. how bad is it to set up things visually for perspective like the vanishing points? Doing it my head feels bad.

I'm messing up this torso a bunch, and i cant figure out whats wrong, please help me.

>>3503437
<-- does my dude look like he could be real person to yall?

How do i improve this? I want start progressing again. Thoughts?

>>3506127
put some eyebrows on him also the mouth might be a little low, try drawing in the Philtrum just to check

>>3506126
hmm other than the torso being a little awkward looking i would say that is a pretty legit drawing..
Maybe you could try to make the neck not as tall

>>3506127
not at all

>>3506126
legs breasts neck torso arms

basically everything is trash but the face and thats just "okay"

>>3506132
he has eyebrows tho

>>3506127
no. the perspectives are battling each other. is his head tilted up? if not then everything but the mouth is too far up. if hes looking up then the perspective of the face is fucked + the mouth is too low.

use references

>>3506135
ah, is it the way i drew him, the coloring, the anatomy? it doesnt look realistic to me but i cant put my tounge on what looks off.

>>3506136
Coolio, what should i do to fix this problem?

>>3506141
stop drawing this piece and study anatomy

>>3506126
Forms, proportion, foreshortening.
Back to the fundy purgatory from whence you cameth creature!

>>3506138
his head isnt tilted no, i see what you mean by the mouth being too low though. And with the perspectives yeah they are a bit off..
i normally use references but with this face i tried to see if i could make a face just from my memory + imagination.

>>3506126
don't draw with contours

construct the forms with anatomical blocks in 3d space, then go from there

>>3506140
i cant believe i just said "i cant put my tounge on what looks off"
I meant something like "its on the tip of my tounge but i cant figure it out"
i must be retarded or something

>>3506144
post an anatomy study of yours, I want to see how it's done

>>3506167
you don't need to see some /beg/gars anatomy study to see "how its done"

just read loomis again

>>3506148
I cant get past how it looks like the head is tilted (part of it is the perspective of the nose which is upturned) I tried to adjust it anyway the first one is more anime leaning so I tried editing again in a way that looks less anime. if you were trying to go for an old man then you've fucked up on the neck and jawline. if you weren't going for old you used a LOT of age signifiers

>>3506167
>>3506171
how I study anatomy isn't necessary the right way its just what makes sense to me. also yeah dude everyone on ic is a fuckin beg

>>3506174
>
i was aiming for a old man look yes, like 50 something. Also the nose is tilted which is my bad. Ill go have to correct that.
-----------
Also those redraws are really great, i appreciate the effort you made.

>>3506175
this is very helpful, thanks

>>3506185
i did a quick edit, hopefully this looks a tad better

>>3503437
chop chop

>>3506201
RIP fish

nice anon, your brushing could use some work but other than that that's really nice

keep going and post more

>>3506201
You should have done that in color it would be much better that way also the little guy looks to be in intense pain like holy shit that face is going to haunt my dreams.

Is this a believable pose?

my proudest piece of art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wEXjWzeEMw

>>3506220
Not the foot, everything is seems good

>>3506220
>>3506223
everything else is good?
the head the hands the torso the chest the legs everything is incorrect and in different perspectives
jesus christ the state

>>3506127
>>3506174
>>3506199

i think i made some improvement

>>3506220
no chin
one upper arm is longer than the other
his left hand is dislocated from his forearm and doesn't look like a hand
his upper body looks too long but maybe that's just me
post reference

>>3506220
the pelvis and anatomy in general are all off. try doing that pose yourself, unless your leg is broken you're not doing it. the perspective is completely dislocated between top half and bottom half of the body. you also drew two right feet

>>3506242
there is no reference, I did it from imagination and I skipped the construction phase

>>3506245
you need construction if you want to draw believable bodies.

>>3506245
please use references and construction

>>3506201
F

>>3506175
muh dick
tfw no gf who can do the splits

>>3504564

>>3506246
>>3506249
Will do. Thanks.

>>3506261
should have used one of his "portraits" or the dog poo poo star wars ones

I have no clue how to create the sunburst gradient that's actually on my guitar

I sketched a kiss

>>3506452

>>3506008
Well I'm trying not to get ahead of myself. I want to start learning with a realistic, simple base. I want to learn the basics for developing artistic skill.

For a long time I've just been flipping through random drawing books doing excercises without learning much. The cirno tutorial seemed nice enough in explaining that you need to start from the bottom and stick to developing all the basics first.

Which is why I'm just trying to learn about shading/volume/whatever. I want to get down something that basic before I move onto perspective.

Thank you for the recommendations too.

>>3504292
bottom 3 + heads are done from imagination. big improvement so far i think. next session is more of this then onto other teacher's methods

grinding irl stuff I want to believe I can make it...

Did a lil portrait

>>3506008
>jumping from keys to how to render
no one does this

>>3506501
read the following but don't do the exercises:
perspective made easy
perspective for comic book artists (search around the /beg/ sticky for a certain mediafire)
how to draw by scott robertson

then do the first two lessons of drawabox, don't get hung up on them, stick to peter han's dynamic bible if you want to keep going

I like that infographic even if the details are wrong. Main things to take from it is how he makes crappy drawings appealing and not to spend weeks tracing and grinding boxes and cylinders like a fucking badger

>>3506560
I'm all about deformed portraits anon. This looks really good.
Would you like a couple of tips on how to improve the tridimensionality of your piece? I'm not home right now, but maybe tomorrow I can give you something.

>>3506501
>The cirno tutorial seemed nice enough in explaining that you need to start from the bottom and stick to developing all the basics first.
I'm glad you got that from it. A lot of those skills are acquired at the same time. Shading can wait, it's not as important as drawing. You can look up videos on youtube to really understand it. If you're using a pencil you build up tone by lightly going over the paper, lifting your pencil, and repeating. If you want darker tones you layer more tone instead of pressing harder.

I recommend a similar path as the other anon. The drawabox lessons can be good mileage for familiarizing yourself with your tools and improving dexterity but remember they're warmups. Do those first two lessons if you think they're working for you (it's actually a copy of Peter Han/Dynamic Bible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk course) but practice is nothing without application. You won't realize the importance of being able to draw these boxes at any angle until much later and by then you'll want to grind more so don't get too hooked on it now. Ellipses are important, straight lines are important, connecting two points with a confident line is important.

For books, Scott Robertson How to Draw or read Perspective Made Easy. You don't need to do every exercise in HTD but understand them. Some of them are great skills to have or refer back to if you need it in the future. Vilppu Drawing Manual Chapters 1-6 are good for continuing on primitives and intro to gesture, after that Steve Huston Making Every Mark Count and Hampton Figure Drawing I recommend for figures. You will have a better idea of what you want to study after that as well as your weaknesses.

>>3506590
>no one does this
I know. It's fine to look ahead at the material for an idea. Every beginner wants to learn to shade but they're usually limited by a combination of their knowledge and what they're using (a #2 pencil but they never said what).

The nose is too short, my black isn't consistent, and I had to touch it up with transform tool fuckery because I drew the entire thing at a tilt, which explains why measurements weren't matching up with what I saw. Anything else people want to add?

>>3506618
Yeah that sounds awesome! Looking foward to your advice anon, I always want to improve.

>>3506590
sorry I forgot to mention that you don't have to understand everything you're reading
but I'm certain you'll absorb enough so that you can roll your eyes when the drawabox guy treats vanishing points like rocket surgery

gimme a roast

>>3506731
you should use a grid or a plumb line or something, be accurate now you can learn to draw off the cuff after accuracy. there's no excuse for this level of inaccuracy when you're working from a photo. even if it's your third day drawing. there's not much nice to say really, i suppose, good confidence on the lines.

>>3506756
>there's no excuse for this level of inaccuracy when you're working from a photo.

This is probably the dozenth time I've tried to do this. Should give up, huh?

>>3506761
Youre symbol drawing, take those features of the face like the eyes and nose, and look at real life examples and tutorials on how to draw them. Then draw them 100 times

>>3506761
no, you should use a grid or some other guide like i said

>>3506731
If it helps you should try to actually measure the features that you're drawing, look at the angles and such on the face. Also draw what you're seeing in the photo in your drawing her face is much more rounded compared to whats being shown in the photo.

An easy place to start would be the eyes imo the left eye looks very much like symbol try to look at angles that create that eye shape, and you'll get a more realistic eye.

hope some of this makes since, but i figured i'd try to help in some way if you're looking to improve. Im kinda just winging it from shit i've learned

>>3506761
>dozenth time
That's nothing m8. Read the Fundamentals of Drawing by Mogilevtsev, the pdf is floating around

What do you guys think? I definitely think I am improving. Any advice? I kind of messed up the side of her face I think.

>>3506131
Your colors are very desaturated and you need better textured brushes.
It's a good idea and the values are definitely good.
The clouds don't look cool or creepy, but just really weird.
I can't tell where the lightsource is.
The painting itself looks okay, it looks like you worked on it for a long time so good job.

>>3506845
This was the ref.

>>3505909
not the same guy but its not that you dont know how to draw muscles yo dont know how to draw forms when using a reference you have no excuses for your proportions being off you gotta check that shit my dude pick a point of reference like the head and use that to scale every other part of the drawing so the proportions are the same also refer to op's image because youre not drawing with your eyes

>>3506678
work on where youre placing youre light annd dark areas if i were to zoom in close to the nose and lips i wouldnt be able to tell where the end but in the reference i can use the diffeent levels of grey and black consistently

>>3506845
block out your drawing before you start try drawing the entire headshape and where the eyes will be lightly before you start because everything is completely off and tilted

>>3506856
I did do that or at least I thought I did.

Does anybody have a high res version of this ref from the sticky?

>>3506884
found one

>>3505817
this is for the male figure
7-8 heads tall
first head is top of head to chin
second head is from chin to nipples
third head is from nipples to belly button
fourth head is from belly button to PENIS
next goes to the mid of your upper leg then a little bit under your knee and then to your toes.

Would I need a different approach if my endgame is drawing mecha and other machinery?

I know figure drawing is useful for most mechs, especially older super robots but is there anything else I would need to really focus on?

>>3506452
>>3506454
To be quite honest, you're using a shitty reference to practice on, because of two things in the photo.

One is that one girl's face is obstructing so much of the other girls face, and the former has her face pointed away from the camera, so her features are obstructed as well. The hair itself is not helping.

Another thing is the lighting in the photo is god awful for sketching. As a practice for studying tone, highlight, reflections and shading this is good, but for form and shape the light just makes it hard. The reason it makes it hard is that the highlights on the girl's face is the same colour as the highlights on the background sand, making it hard to get the form down. I can see from the sketch that you had to erase and redraw the lines around that area, compared with the rest of the image which, while it has chicken scratch lines, it looks much neater.

Try going for photo references with good lighting and does not have glare, otherwise you did a good job with what you were working with.

>>3504564
wow all those you's.

Is this okay?

>>3506961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVZkG4v5wLQ

>>3506984
no

>>3506993
i cri evrytiem (sorry, didn't polish the linework).

want to make comics. where start?

>>3506978
You keep avoiding references or refusing to post them. I saw you pussy out last time you posted a reference and delete your post, what the hell? You also do fundamental exercises for a day, give up, and go back to polishing turds. That's why you suck.

>>3506762
>Youre symbol drawing

Heard that a lot, but I was pretty sure I was drawing what I saw, or trying to and it just wasn't getting on the page.

>>3506766
>no, you should use a grid or some other guide like i said

Use a grid?

>>3506767
>Also draw what you're seeing in the photo

That's what I was trying to do, you can't see it probably but there was a lot erasing going on there where I was trying to correct myself multiple times. Kind of frustrating to put a bit of effort into something and it doesn't even come close to what you want no matter how much you try to change it, because one mistake becomes another mistake.

Appreciate the responses, at any rate.

How's the anatomy, anons? I don't really know if I'm making any progress. I feel really slow

>>3507034
>You keep avoiding references or refusing to post them.
its both you dumb nigger. im using multiple references for specific things, likehow to paint shaved hair, or how should this freature look at this angle, etc. im not using any 'single' ref

>>3507034
>I saw you pussy out last time you posted a reference and delete your post, what the hell?
uh what ive never deleted a post ever. why would i even bother with that when i unashamedly post my turds

>>3507034
You also do fundamental exercises for a day, give up, and go back to polishing turds.
so what bitch i can half ass and do other things if i want

>>3507041
>Use a grid?
You seriously need to read the sticky in this thread's OP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiYk58W--w
Lines that are carefully measured in the first place don't need to be erased. Just getting the initial rectangular frame and envelope right will noticeably improve your work. Use a ruler to measure all your lines carefully and approximate every curve with straight lines. It also helps not to jump into portraits, try copying something with clearly defined lines like pic related.

been working really hard on this. Think I'm finally better. What do you think?

>>3507049
>im not using any 'single' ref
Meanwhile everyone else in /beg/ is using single refs, posts their refs without needing to be asked, and works hard on copying faithfully. And you wonder why everyone keeps surpassing you.

>>3506854
You're right. Definitely need to be more careful about achieving a wide range of values so the scanner can pick up on it, establishing a scale first, and mapping them correctly. Thanks.

Whats the first thing i should tackle?
Real life drawing or Fundamentals?

>>3507097
Which ever makes the most sense to you.

How true is Richard Williams' advice on not listening to music while drawing? Will I really see extreme art gains if I cut out music? I never conscioudly considered it distracting.

>>3507097
Fundamentals so you can draw from real life, they go hand in hand

>>3507066
>you wonder why everyone keeps surpassing you
LOL no i really dont. i but you think youre really clever trying to put words in my mouth huh? anyways let me spell this out for you rrrreaaaaaaallllllyyyyyyy slowly so youre dumb little brain can digest it better

>draw loomis
>add some basic features, trying eye shapes, lip shapes, nose shapes, etc i havent tried before
>NOT ONE REF USED AT THIS POINT
>post to ic
>decide to attempt to paint because hey why not my colors are getting better and im noticing thing i can add to the drawing
>start paint
>GOOGLE THE FOLLOWING ONCE I GET TO THE APPROPRIATE AREAS
3/4 VIEW FEMALE PORTRAIT, 3/4 VIEW EYES, EYES, WOMAN SHAVED HEAD,
>then guess what i do? i look through ALL of them and try to find details that are in all these pics that are lacking in my portrait

here are some things I have being noticing and started to include

>eyelids tucking under brow
>shadow cast on eyeball from eyelid from overhead light
> relecting of light inside tear duct
>not using really dark black for eyeliner
>lightly shading under bulge of bottom eyelid
>transition from lip to skin especially on bottom lip
>top lip usually darker than bottom due to overhead lighting and it casting a shadow on itsself
>bottom lip more reflective from usually being directly in light
>getting more intuitive at ear shape/structures from many angles
>seeing where eyebrows thin/thicken/reflect to look more natural

>>3507013
start with the first page then work your way towards the rest of the pages.
Or go to /co/ and check out their webcomic thread, you'll find more useful answers there

>>3507120
Or you could just copy off one reference at a time and post that reference without needing to be asked.
>an entire essay of excuses on why you can't do this simple shit

>>3507048
Hey man that is pretty nice, unfortunately since we seem to be on about a similair skill-level I have no fundamental advice for you.
What I did notice though was that the hip area is badly defined, the Torso follows a specific gestureline and then somewhere around the bellybutton it shifts into a completly different direction.

>>3507120
>GOOGLE THE FOLLOWING ONCE I GET TO THE APPROPRIATE AREAS
>3/4 VIEW FEMALE PORTRAIT, 3/4 VIEW EYES, EYES, WOMAN SHAVED HEAD,
>then guess what i do? i look through ALL of them and try to find details that are in all these pics that are lacking in my portrait
That's some Frankenstein shit. No wonder your stuff turns out uncanny.

>>3507129
you missed the point didnt you? the vast majority of the work was already done by the time i needed a ref, in which case i used multiple. which would just be tedious to post them all , especially when i used like 5 just to see how a shaved head is supposed to look. kinda funny how its getting to point where you NEED to find something to post my work to so you can nitpick over the differences, instead of just find glaring obvious stuff problems like i was having months ago

>>3507141
no you just dont know how to read. i look for things (such as what i had listed below) for certain details that ALL the pics have in common to improve my observation skills, cut down on symbol drawing, etc

>>3507137
Blind leading blind

>>3507144
I don’t know why you’re frankensteining refs when you clearly don’t have he visual library to have a solid foundation to build on yet.

>>3507137
Thank you, really. I didn't notice it. =)

>>3507145
I you have any critique for my piece, please go ahead, I really need them. Thank you in advance.

Hey there. I'm so much of a beginner I don't even call myself one, I have never actually practiced with a method or regularly, I just sometimes like to sit and sketch some (most often crappy) doodles, I usually try to copy the facial features of friends I find good-looking. Other times I practice symbols and other stuff, trying to get proportions right.

Now, I did this thing right here, without using references and picturing how it would look in my head. It's at the early stages, just the structure and a few details on the face, don't even mind the left hand and the feet because I know I got them abso-fucking-lutely wrong. It's just this naked guy sitting on something (stairs, maybe) holding a cigarette, I just look at it and feel there's something quite off, and it's quite flat too.
What should I fix before even thinking to go on?

>>3507148
thats why all my portraits look similar, because i make small deviations to stuff i already know without taking to big of risks, like chink eyes, or nigger noses

i only frankenstein for the little stuff, i already said that

>>3507145
I'm always happy to learn dude, If you got something substantial to share please do.
pretty sure the other guy would appreciate it as well.
Otherwise stop shitposting in a vain attempt to make yourself feel superior.

>>3507153
you're welcome, hope you get better advice from someone who can actually help you ;)

>>3507154
>What should I fix before even thinking to go on?
Read the op.

I think I'm giving up on realism and gonna go look for some other tutorials. I don't seem to be making much progress and it isn't any fun either.

How do you actually improve at figure drawing? I feel like no matter how much I study anatomy, do studies or gesture it doesn't improve much and then when I draw from imagination all of my bad habits resurface and I go back to step 1.

>>3507142
Proko is garbage at drawing from imagination, but he produces way better work than you just from copying, why is that? Stop being worried about "nitpicking" and start getting upset there's any flaws in your copy to nitpick in the first place. You get nothing from winning internet arguments when you're still drawing creepy sex-doll-stare cancer patients.

>>3507199
Realism isn't the problem. Accuracy, simplyfied lines and awareness of forms are. Trying to approach it from a stylized direction will make no difference since you'll be facing the same problems.

>>3507218
Depends
-could be you haven't been doing it for long enough
-or if you have maybe you've been doing it mindlessly
-or you're using the wrong resources
-or you're trying to do something for which you require other fundamentals first. For example in-depth anatomy studies won't get you anywhere if you're still struggling with getting the proportions of the figure right.

>>3507218
Simplification and construction.

>>3507199
Negative shapes are really inaccurate and the pose looks stiff. Copy better, read up on gesture.

I started drawing about a week ago and have been practising the same reference everyday, could someone be so kind as to give me a crit and tell me what i need to work on?

>>3507255
post ref

>>3507248
here's the ref

>>3507255
oh shit, just realised i forgot the eyebrows.

>>3507245
>Trying to approach it from a stylized direction will make no difference since you'll be facing the same problems.
But they will be more fun to solve/approach

>>3507248
Already reading hampton, gesture I know.

>>3507341
>But they will be more fun to solve/approach
I actually think that its fine for the most part, just keep in mind that when drawing from stylised references you can fall into the trap of simply copying the original artist design decisions as opposed to learning how to make them yourself.

How does it happen when an artist is so good at rendering that it almost makes you ignore how shit and mis-proportioned the actual image is.

How do people get to that level of understanding without learning to actually draw first?

>>3507463
Those people started polishing turds before learning the fundies. It's pretty clever because the untrained eye won't notice your average anatomical/proportional problems if you give them other fancy things to look at. It's also possible that those artists regressed and haven't gone back to fundies when needed.

>>3507199
>I think I'm giving up on realism and gonna go look for some other tutorials. I don't seem to be making much progress and it isn't any fun either.
no shit, when you're bad at something it won't be as fun. as you improve with realism and copying you'll enjoy it more and then will have a better foundation to build style from. it's plainly obvious when someone draws stylized and has no grasp of fundamentals or realism. it results in bad work unless you've been honing your style for a decade

How do I shake the feeling that it's impossible to make it without references?
I feel like no matter how good you are that your drawings will look eh and the pros I watch draw probably have a reference off screen.

Has there every been a video where somebody constructs a realistic human figure in a room with no references in sight?

>>3507631
Practice. I can construct a realistic human from memory because I've practiced enough. It's possible but if you need something specific it's a waste of time. I've made and bought sample packs for specific purposes of making music. I'm not going to reinvent all of those sounds for artistic integrity. The goal is to create what I want to create with the least resistance possible.

But I think your biggest problem is feeling like you have to be held to some high standard. As soon as you break from the arbitrary limits you've set yourself you will be free. Hold yourself to whatever standards you have, but be reasonable and create.

>>3507686
I'm mostly over my issue with using references, I just have an issue with having to find one. Having to spend hours searching for a reference for a specific idea that you have in the right angles is a nightmare causing me to just try and construct every time.

>>3507708
Ideally you learn your construction enough so you find something similar enough that you rotate it in your head. You won't get every drawing right the first time even using reference. You can also take pictures of yourself to use.

>>3507259
Thick lines make her look unflattering, you enlarge the mouth, nose, and eyes making her look like a certain dark-skinned race. Accuracy is very bad and you should have studied the hair since it is very easy to see how they can be drawn as ribbons.

>>3507713
How do people draw things like monsters so realistically when they have no real life version?

>>3507843
Because drawing from imagination is still drawing from memory. Everything you draw is from memory, even when you look at a model you have to look away and draw it from your head. Drawing a realistic monster is the result of studying people, animals, and material. There will be characters of the monster that you can compare to things which exist. As limiting as it sounds at first, nothing you draw will be wholly original. However your combination of things you know will allow you to synthesize wild imaginary, realistic monsters. Draw a lot, study, expand your visual library, and create.