/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

I can't just draw for some reason.
I've been fascinated with art for years and constantly tried to develop the habit on and off since I as a kid, and after falling into a deep (diagnosed) depression upon starting university that's set me back a few years, I've finally gotten down to focusing on what I'd really like to do, and art is one of them. For some reason, I can't focus on anything, though. I can work for pay fine, but when it comes to developing the skills I desire, art being one of the three, I get antsy and restless whenever I try, and I'm always constantly demotivated despite by better knowledge that there's nothing wrong with starting at my age. I can only focus on anything, not specifically art, for about 30 minutes before I get physically uncomfortable and my output diminishes greatly. I don't know if it's depression, ADHD (my dad has it but I never tested for it) or me subconsciously wanting to fail.
I'm currently working through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, but I can only manage about two exercises a day. I'm not in uni again until August, so I have the free time to grind for hours a day, and I don't even enjoy the time I spend dicking around instead, but I physically can't bring myself to just draw. Any advice? Even if that advice is "JUST DRAW"

>>3489552
Have you tried other forms of art? maybe you're proficient with other mediums

>>3489558
I'm not home at the moment to post anything.
I have not; I've just been using pen/pencil and paper. I feel I'm still so inexperienced that I'd be covering the same basics in each medium at the moment, though.

Even so, it wouldn't explain the loss of my ability to work on the other two skills without feeling overwhelmed.

>decide i want to do digital art as a hobby
>buy a wacom on a whim
>don't even know to hold a stylus
>check /ic/ /beg/ wiki/stick
>oh good, there's a digital art section
>"PRESS CTRL+Z TO UNDO :DD"

th-thanks

Blending bleeding.

>>3489637
I don't know what your drawing experience is, but if you don't have a lot of it with traditional, you should stick to that for a while. When I started, I knew I wanted to do things digitally in the end so I just started on a tablet, but it's just not very satisfying to draw on a tablet (or even a screen tablet). Some people think traditional first is a meme and they probably have their reasons, but it was really good for me. It cut out a lot of distractions, and the feeling of laying down physical material is very satisfying (which can help with motivation for practicing).

I tried drawing these legs from the picture upside down.

Belt/details at end I sort of gave up on as it didn't seem worth going in detail with so much else being wrong

How can I improve this guy

>>3489662
he said hobby. i don't think he cares about getting good in most senses

When people on /ic/ warn against "chicken scratch", does this apply to the sketching phase? Or to digital art at all? I've looked at some professional artists sketches and they seem to do "chicken scratch" with their characters before moving on to the stage after sketching and their art is gorgeous imo.

>>3489528
hey i made thumbnail, sick
no bully

>>3489693
the head is drawn as if you were looking at it from above, at a different angle than the rest of the body.

tablets are weird

When doing a digital portrait study, is it cheating to occasionally place the drawing on top of the reference to check for mistakes?

almost nobody can draw the same line twice in the same way
perhaps the trick is drawing the second line smaller and less fat so you fill it in in your head
maybe thats a trick with symmetry

didnt apply it here

Are cheap $20 drawing tablets good if I just want to make memes? I only ask here because I am /beg/ and I ask you guys everything.

This might actually be the worst drawing I've made in a long while

What would you change?

>>3489807
the shading looks very flat but the shapes aren't so bad

Anyone else feel like they barely understand shading and just randomly scribble some shit and hope it turns out? I can actually do pretty good with just drawing lines now but shading I am horrible at.

Stopped drawing a few weeks back and have been telling myself I would start again almost every day with no avail. Decided to just relax and do some sketches of hands while listening to music before going to sleep. Now I have a page full of shitty hands, and I feel better. Looking forward to doing the same tomorrow. Don't let your dreams be dreams anons.

Can I post pixel art here? Haven't seen a pixel art thread, so I guess I'll do it here?

>>3489807
Finish the cock.

>>3489905
you like the cock don't you you nasty boi??

Any books that give you projects like keys to drawing does? I feel like that's the best way to progress as a beginner.

>another question. how do I deal with the anxiety of facing a white piece of paper, its fucking awful

how dis look?

>>3489528
Weird question: do the skills you use while learning traditional/digital art translate to pixel art?
Or is pixel art significantly different from "normal" art, and require a different set of skills to make work?

I suppose the core of the question is: How much of the fundamentals translate into pixel art, and how many need to be reevaluated to fit the medium?

>>3489951
Name the fundamentals.

>>3489951
Understanding light and form (and color theory) especially will translate into pixel art. The best pixel artists have a firm understanding of form. Depending on what you want to do, composition is also an important principle to understand. I can’t think of anything that will undergo a notable transformation or won’t translate at all. New skills may be required (anti aliasing is tedious and pixel art in general makes me want to blow my brains out but it’s also satisfying when you make it work) but that’s true for any new medium like learning to use oil paint or watercolor

>>3489807
I kinda like it. Finish it.

Left is copied from ref, right is me trying to rotate that pose from imagination.

I'm trying to improve anatomy, line work, cel shading, hatching, and just over all quality in general. F

Any advice, critique or recommended resources would be really appreciated.

>>3489975
>>3489975
>>3489975

Forgot image

Bleh. First attempt at drawing again for the first time since september last year. That's what... 9 months?

I know it's just crappy sketches, but I feel like I've forgotten everything I learned so this is all I know how to do anymore.

>>3489528
For some reason I can sculpt but I cannot draw. Drawing costs way less plus you can do it anywhere. I am much better at negative sculpture than I am with addative. I started with wood and have done stone and marble. I really want to be able to sketch anything I look at pretty realistically. I just can’t seem to wire my brain right. I have started doing a few excersises. Any tips?

Where do I start learning anatomy?

Thoughts on the anatomy? Thanks a lot.

So since I suck on paper I've decided to give up on it and focus on digital. But will draeing digitally ever help me improve on paper?

>>3490163

not to be that bitch but you need to learn on paper before you switch to digital. it helps you train your arm more. dont care about sucking, care about the fact that you're training

get a bigass a2 block, a soft pencil, and load up a figure drawing website and just go to town every day

>>3490163
Will shit posting on beg make me better at the fundamentals?

>>3489528
i guess this would be the best thread to post this

I am going to need some constructive rip and tear on my over-ambitious piece. ill give a quick summary but i dont want to bog you in detail. i wanted to create a piece about a golem based on mexican folklore. i wanted it to raise alebrije (colorful fantastical creatures, painted on wood or clay) from the sands with its maracas.

biggest things that hit me are that it appears confusing instead of colorful, and that the values just arent cohesive. i dont necessarily need to save the piece, but i want to know what i did wrong so i can study it in detail next. i also think it looks more like evening and not night time, despite references of the desert at night i was using looking rather bright.
please help me become a better artist!

Shading, I need to learn about light and shading. Where do I start?

Hi to all, it's my first time posting on this board.
I want to learn how to draw well, but I don't have any experience.
I think "drawabox" is my good to go for starting? Or should i focus on other stuff before that? And after that, what should I focus on?

>>3490298
Start here >>1579290

>>3490239
>I need to learn about light and shading. Where do I start?
By understanding form.

>>3490298

Does anybody have CGMA master classes for download?

>>3489676
no one responded to this. Was I trying something too complicated or is it just a case of try again 100 more times

>>3490301
>>3490432
Well, took me a while to get, but i got it.
Thanks a lot

Color Exercises.

Can someone post that image which lists a bunch of good books? I remember the first one was perspective made easy.

>>3490547
I don't have that SPECIFIC one BUT I do have this one

>>3490484
I'm not sure why that man is trying to sell a stick to that worm

I’m giving my best
I’m gonna upload reference

>>3490728
Reference from
Allá prima book

>>3490647

>>3490890
Stop drawing on a white background. The reference even has a black one. Especially for portraits you should be starting with at least a mid tone gray

>>3490728
Looks nice man

>>3490902
Is that what you think? Thanks

I’m fallowing the sticky
Observation first skill to get.

I think I know what I’m doing wrong.
It’s the value grouping and some proportions.
The contrast is flat. Boring not interesting.
Tell me if I’m wrong.

>>3490728

how do I make my stuff pop out more?

>>3491032
add one layer of shade o the ice cream balls? or one more layer of white 'reflection' ?

>start seriously drawing for the first time
>go to beginner artist thread on /ic/
>no one is a beginner artist
>literally everyone is intermediate level or higher and has been drawing for years

why do talented and skilled artists LARP as beginners? i don't even know how to hold a fucking stylus you're not beginners reeeeee

>>3491064
cus theyre pussies with fragile egos. ignore them

>>3491068
there's plenty of actual beginners drawing what you'd expect a child to draw
Im projecting but I do imagine a lot of /beg/ is filled with people who passionately drew as kids/teens but then stopped for whatever reason and are now back at it. If it ain't good enough for the draw thread, only place is /beg/ for progressive learning
don't worry about others levels just worry about your own

>>3491068
I'm definitely /beg/ and I post from time to time.

What skills am I learning if I repeatedly copy, to the best of my abilities, drawings of characters faces, heads, and bodies, instead of teaching myself how to draw the /ic/ approved way?

I get it. I'm a symbol art drawing pleb. I'm the human garbage. I'm worse than Hitler and Satan combined and I'm destined to live a life full of nothing but abject failure and despair... But am I, the sinful evil man that I am, learning ANY skills that will be useful for when I finally decide to crack open a loomis book? Is there anything remotely beneficial that will be accomplish through my unforgivable heresy?

>>3491108
To be clear, I am not tracing anything. I have pictures open in my 2nd monitor and i recreate them to the best of my abilities in photoshop with a tablet.

>>3490890
darker background wont fix your all-over-the-place values. zoom out. block in shapes.
look at your drawings skin. she looks like she has skincancer or something. almost every pixel has a different value.
Paint more "opaque". be confident,

>>3491108
That question is already answered if you look at deviantart, people may draw for years and years without making any progress or gaining any real understanding.

>>3491068
Yeah it's a little intimidating to wade in here and see some of the thread's content thinking you should be on that level as an actual beginner.

>>3491108
you can get comfortable with the tablet, get decent with accuracy in copying, know what makes what appealing
if people unironically recommend tracing to improve line quality, then copying drawings would also have some benefit, but you will lag behind in areas you don't work on

Is it wrong to have exaggerated body parts?

>>3491169
If you are drawing a person with deformity or if you are creating stylized art it's ok, otherwise, stick to proportions and deviate a little.

>>3491078
>i'm allowed to be too fragile to post in a normal art criticism/draw thread with my normal art

>but you're not allowed to be self conscious posting your beginner art in the beginner art thread surrounded by advanced and intermediate artists post their work

what did he mean by this?

Should I care about time constraints/how fast I can draw/paint?

>>3491206
Nah not yet

>>3491206
Its a nice challenge if you are doong gestures but it really doesn't matter

>>3491068
Guilty. I'm not a beginner, but I come here to post my fundie studies. I get some good advice rather than being ignored in the draw thread.

>>3491169
If it clarifies something rather than obscuring, go crazy.

Is it wrong for a beginner digital artist to import a perfect circle with grid lines I made in GIMP, as way of helping stay symmetrical when sketching heads/faces?

>>3491007
You shoved the mouth and nose into the face.

>>3491248
Post template.

Do I just kill myself anons? I've been at this two years, no direction, no clue what I'm doing. I'm so shit at this. I don't know why I wanted to make a career out of it.

Do I just kill myself anons? I've been at this two years, no direction, no clue what I'm doing. I'm so shit at this. I don't know why I wanted to make a career out of it. These were supposed to be two 5 minute figure sketches. I'm such a failure.

>>3491269
How many sketchbooks have you filled in 2018?

>>3491272
One, I think. I've been pretty depressed all year, since all my hopes and aspirations went up in flames.

>>3491263

>>3491274
If you know you haven't done shit why complain? You put no effort you get no reward, its that simple

>>3491278
I'm well aware, anon. It's not a complaint, it's asking if I should give up, because I'm not gonna make it.

>>3491280
You've already given up.

>>3491283
Then I have nothing, I guess I'll draw the curtain on life.

>>3491280
>>3491286
Woah... so deep... and you expected to "make it" by doing barely anything? Truly retarded, don't get me wrong I don't think i can draw better than you or anyone here, but its dumb to see art as a business rather than as a hobby and an outlet

>>3491286
Tbqh just go to trade school, get an ez mode job as HVAC, plumber, electrician. Then you can spend all your free time drawing anime. That's what I'm doing, basically. Trying to be a professional artist is a meme. Companies will just hire Pajeet and Zhang to do it for 1/4 of the time.

>>3491316
*1/4 of the price. 1/4 of the quality and time too.

>>3491207
At what kind of skill level I need to care?
>>3491208
My country doesn't have any traditional art courses/schools so most artists here are self taught/learn from each other, I'm just wondering because I see so many movies/animus/mangos where the school/formal art class is in session and most of them are like ''sketch in 15 minutes'', ''finish this whatever in 3 hours'' or whatever
>>3491316
>as HVAC, plumber, electrician
Not that guy but assuming you're one of these, how many hours do you work each week? I plan to be an electrician/HVAC myself but working more than 40 hours - 50 hours a week scares me much more than making just average wages/spending less time for family relationships/''supposedly'' lower social status as a trade guy lol

>>3491334
>Not that guy but assuming you're one of these, how many hours do you work each week?
I'm not one of those. I'm a STEM grad but if I wasn't able to work ODEs, then I'd have dropped out of college and gone in the trades. Tradesmen really don't work that much. a 40 hour work week is pretty much the norm. I've talked to HVAC guys and electricians and plumbers on /pol/. They always say the job is comparatively easy compared to other trades, but some electricians have to be at the job site at 5AM in the cold and rain. I haven't hear of any HVAC or plumbers complain about that.

>'supposedly'' lower social status as a trade guy lol

I mean, do you consider 100k a year doing a real job fixing shit to be lower social status? You'd rather get a liberal arts degree and work sales for 50k a year, with a human resources department breathing down your neck 24/7?

Honestly /pol/ is a great place for career advice. They'll tell you which fields are saturated with immigrant labor and which aren't. You're not allowed to talk about that on any other website.

>>3491304
I don't expect anything from myself, barring failure. I'm aware that I don't do enough to gain anything from it, but I'm highly demotivated by what I make, lack any sort of structure and am essentially floundering.

the guy above me is a loser
what a fucking loser

>>3491361
just get a career and do art as a hobby

society would collapse if everyone followed their dream to be an artist, dancer, musician, whatever. we need people out there designing shit and building shit.

>>3491392
Anon, I'm not good at anything.

>>3491396
you can always learn to be good at something.

>>3491396
I would write you a long motivational post but it's very late (early). If you're a young adult and you're a citizen of a developed country, and you're not totally mentally compromised (i don't mean meme mental issues, i mean like manic and delusional episodes), it is actually very easy to remake yourself for the better. Get a trade cert, get a roommate or move in with your parents, and save up money. Learn to invest. Be very careful about it. Mostly avoid debt and unhealthy habits i.e. excessive spending (debt is bad), smoking, drinking, wanton sex (usually costly, but also bad for body and mind), etc.

Don't draw until you have your life figured out. You won't enjoy it. I hate looking at my art but Im in a good place in my life so it doesnt bother me as much as it would if I spent most of my day in despair.

How do you accurately measure when the subject you're drawing is less than a full arm length away?

I have bad eyesight and can't really draw things that are too far from me in detail but I can't use the arm locking pencil measurement technique like this.

Just shredded my first filled sketchbook. Now nobody will know of my failed attempts at art other than me!

hit me with the critique stick anons. Making characters for my DnD game

>>3491396

>>3491479
Is that character a rogue?

>>3491487
its for a duperhero dnd shes a summoner/ spellcaster

>>3491480
Anon, you have to understand I'm extremely self destructive. It goes hand in hand with my impossible self-expectations and perfectionism. Frankly, I'm miserable and nothing seems to fix it.

See this drawing I did, for example. It's symbol drawing. It's trash. I fucked the eyes up, the mouth, the hair, the shape of the face, there's no depth to it. It's less than rubbish. It's nothing.

>>3491480
Anon, you have to understand I'm extremely self destructive. It goes hand in hand with my impossible self-expectations and perfectionism. Frankly, I'm miserable and nothing seems to fix it.

See this drawing I did, for example. It's symbol drawing. It's trash. I fucked the eyes up, the mouth, the hair, the shape of the face, there's no depth to it. It's less than rubbish. It's nothing.

>>3491504
See the reference image. What kinda self respecting artist would ever call something like this any good? Who could look at something like this and think, gee that guy has potential.

>>3491068
I'm begginer at digital art. I have been drawing traditionally for 12 years, then I've stopped for 6 years and now I've started digital.

>>3491507
You're not a beginner. You're a 12 year art veteran who hasn't gotten used to working a tablet and navigating photoshop. When you post advanced art in this thread, this is what you're doing to actual beginner's psyches:
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>>3491334
School classes have schedules, obviouasly they would have timed exercises

>>3491504
READ. THE. STICKY.

>>3491522
Am I still NGMI if I copy front-facing anime characters, and just their heads and faces?

>>3491068
As long as I'm around, /beg/ will always have a beginner

>>3491269
Hey man you need to give yourself a break, you're not gonna get anywhere if you're pre-occupied with self-loathing even if you do draw a lot.
Don't draw mindlessly, make smaller achievable goals and work directly towards them.
Study. Drawing without studying is like building a house without a plan.

Judging from that image here's some things to focus on.
-Clean up your line, think more about what you want to put down on paper and only move your pencil once you know what you want. (this can be extremely frustrating tho cause early on you don't know what you want)
-Do short gestures to help focus on whats important, short gestures are the key to what makes 90% of the figure read.
-tackle simple forms cylinders/boxes

Also don't judge the end-result, acknowledge it for what it is and move on, otherwise you're just gonna get sucked back into a bottomless pit of self-hatred and depression.

>>3491068
anyone who is actually a beginner is just abused or mostly given useless advice like read the sticky, which most already have

>>3491612
the sticky is so useless to people who want to start digital art without having 5 years of traditional practice. i had to resort watching an hour of some random furry on youtube giving me a tutorial on how to config paint SAI and do basic things w/ it. way more use than the sticky. all i used it for was a link to pirate loomis.

Anytime I post here w/ something basic I get told "NGIM". oh my mistake I thought this was where the beginners get advice, I mustve accidentally clicked on the "get harassed for no reason by the people who were the quiet artsy kids in high school and are taking out their years of being the victim of bullying on random strangers" thread

>>3489676
It's good practice and helps steer you away from symbol drawing. It also helps you get used to using a reference. Try doing it again without flipping then compare. Get that belt done for practice

>>3489676
>>3490461
try just drawing that skull on the belt a few times and then move on when you feel it looks reasonably like the skull. i personally wouldn't want to try to learn to copy from this image either because it is very dark and hard to see contour, definitely try more simple images. like pic related, even if you have done it before the entire point of the exercise is to just train your eyes to look for 'references' on the image. also i would recommend you drew with a pencil and paper first. ive never used a drawing pad before but that is the advice i hear a lot around here, im assuming drawing while not looking at your hand is another thing entirely and is really something you should only do try once youve gotten the basics down

>>3490157
reference? the head looks wrong and the upper body looks rather long

>>3491625
why do you think you should start off drawing on a tablet? how is the information in the sticky useless to someone who wants to draw anyways

>>3491656
>why do you think you should start off drawing on a tablet?
because i'd rather start developing muscle memory on the tablet ASAP, rather than put 100 hours into drawing with pencil, and then have to go through all the effort of learning to draw on a tablet anyway.

i'm only interested in digital art as a hobby. i don't care about muh traditional art

>>3491504
Hey, you know what youre doing wrong, thats step one. You will never satisfy your expectations, no matter how good youll be at drawing.

>>3491540
>copy
>front-facing
>anime
It's like you just really don't want to make it.

Please destroy me.

>>3491689
What's the point of posting old shit?

>>3491068
>you are only a beginner if you can only draw stick figures
from the looks of it, most people in this thread havent even finished the first book in the sticky. if your definition of beginner is explicitly "deviantart tier" and therefore people who haven't actually tried to study art, that is your mistake

>>3491680
>comes to an interest board to learn
>disregards the information on the board simply because he knows more somehow
the stickies information is practical, going over basics and nothing more, and will apply in anything you do from sculptures to painting to digital. if you think just because you start on digital you will somehow not have to practice for years doing the same thing the wiki teaches you will be mistaken. and having an instant undo button will lead to bad habits like line perfectionism

>>3491690
It's what I'm most proud of so far and I wanted to know if that pride is misplaced.

Here is something I did just now.

>>3491697
>I wanted to know if that pride is misplaced.
Definitely.

>>3491699
Please tell me why

>>3491504
>>3491506
self critique is very important. Knowing what you are doing wrong is the key to improving. Most beginners come here post a shitty drawing and act like its good and have no idea how to improve it.

>I fucked the eyes up, the mouth, the hair, the shape of the face, there's no depth to it. It's less than rubbish.
then fix them, if you dont know how to just look it up. Look at "professional" drawings and compare them to yours, theres always good info you can learn just by looking and comparing, see what they did to create depth and try to recreate it. you should focus on anatomy and line quality first though.

Just set a goal for yourself that's easily achievable, tiny steps. If your goal is to paint/draw like Ruan Jia or whoever you look up to, its very easy to get demotivated when you draw something because you dont see any improvement when looking at the big picture
Focus on one thing at a time, what bothers you the most on your work? if its the anatomy, work on it, if its your line quality, work on it, etc etc

>>3491697
The pose is awkward, one of her legs is broken her eyes and mouth are wrongly placed as well as the pony tail or whatever she has. Keep drawing from references and do more gestures before you try again at drawing off your head

>>3491708
I did her leg that way because I did't feel like drawing another foot. A bad excuse I know but thank you for the comment.

>>3491713
when you don't want to draw the othr foot look up references. obviously don't draw 1:1 what the reference shoes cus your art is super stylized but look at how the perspective and bones work and use that information to draw what you need.

and like the other anon said, practice gestures. your art/style isn't bad. but the pose is EXTREMELY stiff. practicing gestures + starting your drawing with a gesture will help

>>3491686
I already have a career. This is a hobby, not something I intend to make money with. I don't want to draw based on refs of 3D people. Because 3D is PD.

>>3491740
I mean you asked if you were gonna make it and he responded with no youre not gonna make it and then you say "this is just a hobby!!!"

what did you expect

also the eyes are too close together. they should be at least one eye width apart but anime often goes a bit farther, hitting the edges of the face (or hair)

>>3491726
>your art/style isn't bad. but the pose is EXTREMELY stiff
Thank you! I very appreciate it.

I never tried using gestures to start a drawing, I only ever used it to practice with those 30 second pose sites. I've always started drawing with just construction first then drawing in the details. I will consider your suggestion and try and start incorporating gestures. Thanks again.

>>3491740
The ears are freakishly small.

>>3491747
I clarified my goals (what constitutes "making it"), not made an excuse. I only want to draw cute anime people, not make a career out of art. Under those parameters, am I still NGMI if I repeatedly look at and copy a bunch of anime faces?
I'm ignoring bodies and poses atm and want to rote memorize how to draw anime heads and faces for now.

>>3491757
I should probably clarify, that drawing is a copy. Not anything original by me. I looked at the original picture and copied it to the best of my abilities. In the original, the ears are shaped and placed differently though, I gave up on them after many ctrl+z's.

>>3491636
I tried redrawing it and actually think it looks pretty cool (relative to how bad anything I normally try ends up), might try finishing rest of picture at a later point

>>3490002
how did you manage not to draw for 9 months? the arts pretty good, though. you still got your touch.

finished rendering the face. Thoughts?

>>3491817
i have the sudden urge to pre-order fallout 76

>>3491817
Lacking and heavily symbolized.

>>3491775
Came out pretty nice. Why were you doing it upside down? Usually that's to help get you away from symbols but you dont seem to do that.

>>3491817
>you will buy skyrim again and again and again or you will suffer at my hand

r8, done from reference

>>3491880
this is the ref

>>3491827
Why is it lacking exactly?

>>3491895
lacking form, lacking any sort of thought, you mindlessly copied what you thought you saw

>>3491830
just as an exercise I guess, found it much harder to get proportions right though

Ive been trying Loomis's Fun With a Pencil as my first artbook, I'm still in the section where you add shapes to the sphere to make more complex faces. This is one of the few I've done without essentially copying one of his.

>>3491880
those fingers look very sausage-y

>>3491921
i can't really do hands well, this the best i could do

>>3491880
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>>3492043
i use all of those, what's your point?

I made this 2 drawings on the same paper, I am mostly trying to figure what's wrong with the super hero character here, he is supposed to be slight crouching, also if you spot errors in the hands, please do tell...

>>3492058

His point is that he thinks your drawing is bad, but he himself is incompetent so he can't tell you why so he just points you to content that may or may not help you but wont fix your picture so he seems knowledgeable.

This is why /ic/ never produces anything unlike boards they hate like /co/ for example, they never finish a picture and just go with the next one, never knowing what is wrong or right.

What are the best video series to download from CGPeers?

I already have Vilppu and Perspective for artists by Erik

>>3491504
I’m also self destructive.
I critic my own stuff really hard but there is a reason,
I want to avoid the dunning Kruger effect. So I have high standards. I compare my stuff to pros to look for mistakes, to know what I’m doing wrong.

It’s weird because I feel like useless but at the same time I get motivation. I want to be better. I want to be better that “them”. I do this with everything, I give my best at home, at my job. Everywhere, this mindset saved a lot of times.

What do you feel when you are drawing? Anon

I was trying to familiarize with the feeling, and what I feel is like after masturbation. Seriously. Calm and good.
I forget all problems.

>>3491880
No form. Values are completely off. The body is leaning to the right putting some weight in the supporting arm, yours don't.

>>3492096
Stress and worry, usually drawing the beginning then it'll get a bit more relaxing until I need to fix details or refine the drawing and then it gets stressful again

>>3492096
Trying to feel the form constantly.

>>3492096
I lose track of time, I can spend 10+ hours just drawing. I haven't slept more than 4 hours in 5 days

>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

Baby steps!

>>3491138
can i see your other work? really good and thanks for the advice

Asses from my job.

>>3491913
Did a later exercise, this one was pretty much copied from the book, but the eyes and mouth gave me grief. Looks like a sexual predator.

What is "Anna Razumovskaya" style called?

>he doesn't creep shot references
NGMI

First post here , thougts on it?

Ref

>>3492304
What were you referencing?

Does anyone have decent face guides? I can draw a generic "face" but I can't quite understand how to capture a likeness without just copying whatever source material I'm referencing one-for-one. Outside of giving my drawing the same hair style or accessories as the original subject, I don't really understand how to draw unique faces that correctly convey identity.

>>3491138
Like this? or still too much value sharing and and value disparity?

Okay Anons
I’m gonna leave this study like this
I’m gonna make another one
I took my a total of two hours. Because most of the tome I do this on breaks in my job.
I know I know, I’m a dagger who can’t push values, dude is hard with graphite, I’m gonna find a way.
I know my strokes are lame, even if I was referencing some strokes from loomis and frazetta. I guess is just experience?

See ya

>>3492546
Omg this keyboard
Sorry for my English hahah

>>3492546
This is really good anon! Im not a study expert by any means so I cant critique much, but I really like this. Good job!
>>3492520
The shading on her cheeks make her look like a 50 year old smoker. Maybe try and soften the shading to make her face more round than jagged?
>>3492304
Pretty good anon, only complaints are the hand, especially the fingers, and the boob/belly seperation. It makes her look fat while the top half is skinny. It would work if she was leaning over, however she is not.

>>3491817
Fuck anon you made me want to draw now

>>3492569
>The shading on her cheeks make her look like a 50 year old smoker. Maybe try and soften the shading to make her face more round than jagged?
yeah noticed that and the eye proportions are totally off, funny how you don't see it till uploading

>>3489528
kind of in a debate here. should i go into keys to drawing instead or continue with loomis fun with pencil? I've started with loomis fun with a pencil first.

>>3492103
>I haven't slept more than 4 hours in 5 days
you're either high on meth or experiencing a manic episode

>>3492661
I'm still awake and drawing btw

>>3491804
Just not drawing... I have a really bad habit of not doing the things I want to do/enjoy doing in favor of video games, and then forgetting about it entirely until I feel inspired again.

Its a very destructive habit, and a difficult one to break.

Guys I need help, this is my first time drawing without copying from an existing image so don't laugh at me

No matter what I do, she won't look directly into the "camera". I know it's something wrong with her right eye (your left) because her left eye, when you cover her right, looks fine. I've tried shifting her pupil, iris, and entire eye left, right, up, down, I even tried making it bigger and smaller but no luck. How do I make her right eye look straight at the camera or any suggestions on how to fix it?

Also I know her right arm is completely fucked and I found a tutorial on how to fix that, hopefully it will work but I'm open if anyone has any personal tips or tutorials that helped them with that kind of stuff.

Question about figure/gesture drawing.. am I doing these right? Pic related is 30sec poses, I just want to make sure if someone new to figure drawing is suppose to be able to add more detail within that time limit or if that's about what one would expect given that amount of time?

This is coming from someone who's working through learning how to construct things with basic shapes, but haven't got to put shapes together to form humans yet. (still going through organic forms and dissecting them.) I haven't even got into anatomy or proportion/placement study yet.

>>3492657
Just do it, there's no harm in dropping a book if you find it not to your liking.

My first time trying to draw something NSFW any comments or suggestions?

>>3492657
I think you should at least get to the page about his plane and sphere technique for head drawing. Also I don't think those are bad approximations of what he was doing, better than my attempts anyway.

>>3492704
im actually at the page about adding bigger circles on the first circle.
>>3492701
i actually liked loomis. however problem is i remembered that the sticky and generally most people here recommend to start with keys to drawing first before loomis.

>>3492673
In gestures what you want is to achieve the motion of the pose, capture the action, your figures are looking stiff. They're still decent, and don't fret about it desu, it's just practice, it's tedious but undestanding the motions behind a pose will help you greatly when drawing off your head.

>>3492702
disgusting, draw cute things

>>3492707
Gotcha, I think the time limit might be too quick for me at 30secs. I find that I'm barely just getting the lines shown within that limit, which I assume is normal for someone new to it..

Is there any decent videos that help understand what to be doing as a starting point? My mindset is stuck in construction mode and on top of the speed, it seems to overwhelm me easily..

(pic is more 30sec gestures I did earlier today.)

>>3492669
If what you wanted was to draw, you'd be doing it already, even if while not being in a state of inspiration.

How do I learn to draw redlines of poses

>inb4 "practice"
Like, how do I learn how to draw the faceless mannequin thing? I want to get all the parts right
What specific book pr w/e teaches you how to draw the mannequin thing

>>3492672
Im new to drawing anime so my advice is worthless. But i think her left eye needs more upper eyelashes

>>3492716
Look anon I made some examples for you. See the red lines? The vertical one is the motion, the two horizontal lines are the hip and shoulders, a dynamic pose will always have hip and shoulders have opposite orientations. A good excersise is to draw a bunch of lines like those, then come up with poses for them. I am sorry I cannot point you to where I learned this since its been a long time. It was probably loomis. Anyway, hope this helps you!

>>3492723
Try fun with a pencil or some other loomis book

>>3492731
I think I sort of see what to try out now, in a sense that vertical line is the overall motion? If someone is bending over, the line would mostly be a curve.

I'll keep what you said in mind and try applying it though, maybe post a few new poses tomorrow here. Thanks for the help anon!

>>3492740
Yeah the overall motion. thats what you want from gestures

Could I get some critiques on this? Figure from imagination. Not a huge beginner but I've been out of art for years and was never amazing so I thought I should post here.

>>3492672
Since she's on the phone, it just looks like she's looking to her right, but if you frame her face, it looks like she's looking directly at you. You can also try making her right upper arm longer or left upper arm shorter.

>>3492672
It could also be eyebrow placement

>>3492745
That leg seems very awkwardly placed, the rest of it looks good

>>3489693
Try doing some shadow

>>3489940
Preatty good but you should add some detail

>>3490432
is this loss

playing with color. was in lab mode and left was color blending over a value painting. middle and right were normal modes but using rgb to pick colors which turned out to be much more fun than i expected.

Are there any specific methods for color studies?

Also just starting form studies but I also want to know if there are any other simple methods of learning similar to form studies where I can learn a shitload with something this simple if I practice enough.
Is there anything else I should know about when starting out with painting?

first time drawing real human face, this isn't as easy as drawing cute animu grills fuck

>>3492911
>this isn't as easy as drawing cute animu grills
Post your cute anime girl sample.

Don't know shit about shading. What's the best resource I can use to get started on doing it?

I know the jacket is shit and still trying to get better with cloth. but i am open to any Critique.

>>3492735
i checked out fun with a pencil. it was a little vague on how to create 3d polygons when reducing characters to redlines/mannequins.

this pic was traced over an anime character. i'm mostly curious how to divide up the torso into 3d polygons

>>3489528
hey dudes
I've been going insane over this
what's wrong with her legs?
I resketched them many times but the pose always look like shit

>>3493011
body seems too short, shoulders about half size of waist

>>3492065

It is harder to find what is NOT wrong with this, all muscles are wrong, the pose is wrong, the perspective makes no sense, the arms are to long, the head looks crooked.

And the values on the hands/arms are also inaccurate and poorly done, on top of the anatomy and perspective in them being completely wrong.

>try to post shit
>file over 4mb

I hate this place

>>3493052
resize it you cunt, and save it as jpg

save as jpeg

>>3492998
The doohinkus chapter is basically what you're asking.

>>3492917
Both are shitty yeah but at least animu is much simpler form wise

been getting back into art the last few weeks, tips on this are needed.

I know the lack of depth in colors are probably a issue.

>>3493081
dont forget the composition

>>3493081
...that's actually kinda cool, but yea needs work.

>>3493078
If I "trace" mannequins over drawings of characters, am I learning anything? Or do I need to try to recreate the poses with mannequin figures without resorting to overlapping the image

>>3493081
keep your pen steady anon, this is a neat looking subject on the surface but your lines look super scratchy in some places work on that first with life drawings. I see that your looking to shade .somethings on this and honestly you need to work on that the most.

Am I approaching drawing wrong because I found that I'm not too burned out when I draw so many things in short periods (15 minutes to 2 hours tops for one thing depending on what I draw) compared to draw one thing and make it perfect for so many hours. Make one drawing as perfect as possible is good of course but unless you're going to sell/publish it, isn't that kinda burn you out?

Started keys of drawing.
The whole draw what you see not what you think hurts my brain when im doing it, but the results are surprisingly better than i expected.

>>3493097
It could help you with basic forms but I imagine you would get more out of trying to recreate the pose rather than tracing the mannequin over it.

>>3493114
thats what i was afraid of... but thank you

>>3492998
Lines of your boxes don't recede to vanishing points, ellipses of your cylinders don't align their minor axes. Good job on figuring out you can use tracing to study this, it's subtle advice often missed.
https://drawabox.com/lesson/250boxes
https://drawabox.com/lesson/250cylinders

Is this the eye level/horizon line? I have trouble figuring it out.

>>3493123
>ellipses of your cylinders don't align their minor axes.
I greatly appreciate your post! But Can you explain this a bit? Or rephrase things? I understand what a cylinder's minor axis is in math/calculus, but am unsure if its the same here. And Im not entirely sure what a vanishing point because Im a brainlet who jumped straight into copying anime characters but Im assuming I will learn it if I perform these lessons you linked

Are art lessons helpful? There's a place nearby that's offering $20 drop-in sessions for two hours, or private lessons for $35/hour.

>>3493126
close, it seems to be at about her eye level. but for a pic like this, you're better off thinking in terms of picture planes instead of horizon lines and vanishing points.

>>3493218
u posted thumbnail

>>3493157
Depends greatly on the teacher, among other things. I'd stake out the place for a while and see if the teacher is any good, and if the teacher is any good at teaching, or at least helping you understand where you're fucking up. Also any teacher you have isn't really going to be worth it unless you spend a lot more time practicing outside the sessions so they can advise more of your work.

will this teach me how to paint?

>>3493232
have you tried just reading it? it's a really easy read

>>3493129
Read (don't do the exercises for) Perspective Made Easy. You should also read Perspective for Comic Book Artists (search Megas and Mediafires section in the sticky listed in this thread's OP) and the first 100 pages of How to Draw (don't do the exercises for this book either). It's okay if you don't understand everything, but I think you will learn a ton for very little effort, especially if you don't know what a vanishing point is.

>>3493129
Of course you can do exercises later if you want.

>>3493232
alla prima will teach you how to paint, but definitely read color and light too

I believe my body is too .. "something" that does not make it natural AT ALL and it bothers a lot . Does/Can anyone show me / explain to me what is wrong with the body and what I am doing wrong.
Also if someone can tell me if the hand is not too bad ‘cause I find it ok but somethings tells me it’s weird.

>>3493240
>>3493243
My arm and shoulder are sore from drawing a bunch of ellipses from the drawabox lessons. I started from the beginning lesson.

I will pirate those books and check them out! I really appreciate your posts. That sounds like a lot of material but I'll do my best to be diligent learning what they teach.

I'm not sure how much I should compare my drawing to the reference on photoshop ( overlaying my drawing on top of the reference to see the mistakes) because it feels like I'm cheating and I'm going to learn nothing from doing that.

>>3493269
What you are doing wrong is ignoring the sticky, thinking you can just skip the fundamentals of construction and Just Draw™ It will not take you anywhere, read the sticky anon, you need loomis

>>3493281
>>3493281
Sticky figures doesn’t always help le desu because you can’t be sure if it’s 100% accurate to how a body would be as . + I helped myself with that
But ty a lot I’ll try using more sticky lmfao

>>3493270
I forgot to mention not to do the exercises for Perspective for Comic Book Artists. Not that it has any to do.

>>3493292
>FUCKING SUMMERFAG
Okay now pay attention, since you are specially retarded let me spell it out slowly for you, when I said sticky, i don't mean fucking stick figures I mean this little post right here >>1579290, you know, the one post sticking to the top of the fucking catalog, the one you're supposed to read before asking for advice, the one that gives you all the god damn tools to start drawing the Right Way™. Start with Loomis, start drawing from reference start learning the basics of construction and pose, make a real fucking effort and stop yourself from doing more cringy doodles then asking for critique.

And don't think I'm being mean, I'm trying to get your fucking retarded brainlet understand that you're approaching drawing the Wrong Way™.

anyone have tips or tutorials for rendering dreadlocks?

>>3493326
tip: do some studies from photos

>>3493326
same as u would with any other hair. always do painterly and blocky over drawing it out, unless you really know how to draw it nice.

>>3493333
thanks
>>3493339
>painterly and blocky
whats that?

here's what im working on rn
criticism and advice is extremely appreciated

>>3493348
shit forgot pic

what exactly does it mean to "grind fundies"

>>3493350
why not just copy the ref. also the colors you used made him look Caucasian idk if that was your intention but judging by the change in lips and nose, it may be.
his eyes are also too close together, this is just a general thing not even based on the reference. eyes need to be roughly 1 eye length apart

>>3493349
Very good anon!

>>3493356
>grind for EXP by drawing circles repeatedly for 21 days straight to cap out your Line Confidence skill tree

it really just means practice the fundamentals. fundamentals can refer to a hundred and one different things in this context. form studies, value studies, anatomy studies, line confidence, gestures, anything that will help solidify your foundation in art

Thoughts?

>>3493362
i see. thank you. what setting should my stabilizer be in Paint SAI when grinding? 3? 10? 0?

>>3493367
entirely depends on what your hardware is like and what youre trying to do. if you are just trying to gain line confidence then you need to find the setting that eliminates the line wobble due to hardware sensitivity errors, without effecting your actual stroke. try comparing your on screen stroke with a real life paper stroke. it will never be an exact science especially if you don't have a screen tablet (looking at your hand while drawing does actually change the way you do it)

>>3493226

>>3493363
her left shoulder is too far up
also her lower back looks really wrong
http://www.dessinpose.com/poseviewer/

>>3493356
the sticky lists out the fundies
grinding fundies means doing exercises that help whatever you're weak at
bad at observation? contour drawing, upside down drawing, copy copy copy
bad at perspective? draw boxes and cylinders and organic forms, rotated every which way
etc

>>3493363
looks like you drew the eyes first then drew everything else

everything is misplaced and the body is a mess. you have a very cute style but it would be made more believable if you did some studies from photos.
pic related is the most successful part and even that had some flaws

>>3491775
tried finishing off the image, any feedback appreciated. First time really trying to draw something more complicated to "accurate" proportions, really struggled with the face/hair details

>>3493397
if this is meant to be a study, post the reference.

>>3493398

>>3493400
>>3493397
what was your goal with this study?

A lizardboi

Is the shape of the head Symmetrical Enough? I think I captured the essence of the proportions and the body well enough, but I want a second opinion on the head.

>>3493403
not entirely sure what you mean by this but I was trying to practise proportions especially around legs/body as I have been bad on that recently

>>3493411
>I was trying to practise proportions especially around legs/body
then why did you waste time rendering/coloring it?

>>3493411
ya shouldnt have colored it and added shadows lol
i dont think you inteneded it to be a study
next time just focus on the proportions so you dont waste time coloring

>>3493414
fun i guess?

>>3493373
Okay, this makes sense. Thanks a lot for the useful link.

>>3493381
Maybe this is because I drew this without reference. I'm still very unexperiencd when it comes to imagining a pose.
But thanks. I may have a cute style, but if it's not believable it just means that I have to grind fundamentals more. I should have used a reference!

>>3493033
I don't understand
do you mean her torso is too small? the length of her shoulders should be about half the torso?

>>3489651
this is very good anon
keep it up im proud of you!

>>3491693
>don't be afraid to use the transform tool!
>pencil/pen/stylus
>get a tablet if you're going to be drawing for a year
did you read the sticky? hey, outside of drawabox/scott robertson autism, it's okay to erase.
>DO NOT be afraid to erase
taking that away helps with line confidence, but fucks up accuracy which is why drawabox animals and people are absolute garbage

>>3493428
i think what he's trying to say is the top half of the body excluding the head seem very small compared to the legs
the breasts also seem very odd
and the stomach area is very thin
but its really nice pic
love the face and hair

>>3493436
thanks famalam
shouldn't have jumped into linework like a retard without a proper sketch
i'll see what I can do to uncrap it a little

>>3492702
her eyes are set too far apart

>>3493461
im takin a break from painting so i did some small fixes on your pic
take what i say or do with a grain of salt cuz im also still a /beg/giner
the shoulder still seems a bit off but here ya go

I make leaf

I hope u enjoy it

>>3490728
This is cool dude, yeah you could push your values a bit, and you definitely missed some darker values around the neck area and the left side of the face. Fix that and you'd have a sick drawing.

>>3492749
>>3492730
>>3492748
Thanks guys, I'll try those things out. I appreciate it!

>>3493489
I see, thanks, really appreciate it
I guess I was pushing for a tall thin type while the overall proportions were more leading to a chubby-ish type

>>3492785
>Are there any specific methods for color studies?
There are all different types, depends on your goal

>>3492227
your coworkers have some great butts, anons

>>3493565
yeah, they're pretty great
so glad i decided to work at a school

started with the sticky, took forever but I had fun

>>3492520

this isn't done, but I am not going to be able to finish it today
This one is 100% from my head

>>3493539
Not anything specific honestly. I just want to learn how to use appealing colors off the top of my head. I'd be happy to use them all if you're willing to show me but I know it won't be possible. In that case just pick either the best one in your opinion for a beginner of color or at random.

To clarify I know the 'basics' of color theory, like how a few colors complement/compliment eachother, but I want to learn to use them without following the the boring scremes I usually do which is complementary colors.

>>3493679
>>3493679
>>3493679

>>3493679
>>3493679
>>3493679

>>3493679
>>3493679
>>3493679

why tf does my shit look so messy?

>>3493868
ref so you can tell me the irises are too big and the forehead's too small

Help me fix the guy on the right? I wish I had a model for reference but no one was available so I had to draw from imagination.

>>3493405
Cool face but the body is too straight. You need to draw a line of motion and then build the body from there.