/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Reposting this >>3477728 for more critique and asking clarification of >>3477728 as I'm not sure what to do improve her upper back

Reposting this >>3477728 for more critique and asking clarification of >>3477736
as I'm not sure what to do improve her upper back

Are there any drawing apps for the android? I have an android tablet and I'm thinkin I could use that

>>3478466
references for a pose like that isnt hard to find just google instagram thots

Broke up from uni just over a week ago and have spent most of my free time since learning to draw.
Just finished drawing pic related today from observation (obviously), probably took around 4h total over 2 days.
I know the top section of the bottle is a little wonky but please give any other criticism / improvements.

Also how do you guys prevent stuff in your sketchbooks from smudging everywhere? Should I fix this with hairspray or will it make the pages stiff/sticky?

>>3478485
I appreciate the tip but the problem is I cant really see my mistake, therefore I cannot fix it even with a reference at hand

>>3478528
Post construction.

Anyone wanna give me some critique on this? I think the face looks slightly wonky but don't know how I should fix it (and I do know the ear isn't exactly anatomical either)

>>3478596
forehead/hairline/entire head is misplaced

>>3478602
Well that was a dumb mistake, thanks!

>>3476907
Now that I got a decent program now, I think I'm doing a lot better this time!

I redid the reference I posted in the last thread.
>>3476925

>>3478661
nice symbol drawing

Reposting. Last time didn't get any replies. What do you guys think of this? Study of a skull with a faded effect.

>>3478668
>symbol drawing
is this a meme now?

>>3478690
lol, ngmi

>>3478690
The moment you go on autopilot and you stop observing and paying attention, you're symbol drawing and pulling things out of your ass.

>>3478466
try posing like that in the mirror. make your back a complete profile shot while pushing your left arm backwards , dont forget to try to show your deltoids like in your pic, and facing your butt in that position. I personally think anyone would find this difficult to do. But putting all of that aside, her upper back doesn't have any bone definition, where the hell is her scapula, that line you placed below the armpit isnt gonna cut it, since the spine of the scapula, is the one that protrudes the most and its definitley not placed there. last thing, the lumbar spine is not connected to sacral spine(it should be connected)

>>3478661
Looks good anon, ignore the retard saying you're symbol drawing, looks pretty close to the reference to me.

First time using a tablet and/or photoshop, had it for a month now

>>3478661
>>3478720
This guy has to be a troll because there's no way someone can get that good in 2 days.

Also, any thoughts on my latest drawing.

>>3478733

>>3478742

>>3478737
You are proof that someone cannot get good in 2 days let alone an appreciable amount of time.

Go draw.

doing some reilly method studies
tips?

>>3478747
why is everything I post always sideways
aaaa im new to 4chan, y u do dis to me
how to fix :'(

>>3478737
Were you this faggot?
>>3476332

How long would you say it takes an adult to go from incompetent shit tier level of skill to being able to draw cute cartoon characters?

>>3478787
Ca. two - three years with steady practice, maybe less depending on the goal parameters.

>>3478745
Wow, I'm drawing as much as I can, dawg.
>>3478752
No, but I'm suspicious of this guy, though.

>>3478791
If you've been drawing as much as you can and that was as far as you got, you need to entirely revamp your approach.

>>3478688
I'll give you a response anon. Nice looking deapth in the eye. I feel like the face side of this skull is a little flat though and I get how you want sharp teeth but there's something a little off about them. They are just too square and triangular. They also jut out a little too much.

>>3478790
Shit is there nothing enjoyable I can do as a novice?

>>3478791
Jesus Christ, this autism is outstanding.

Doing some more figure drawing, this time adding some drapery to the mix. Trying to push the shading a bit more also.

>>3478688
"Faded" means unfinished. One of the most important habits you need to get into is being able to properly place your object on any given space no matter the size. even if it means you have to do a bunch of gestural sketches and re erase them until it fully fits on the page, it takes work but it will improve you body of work.

>>3478747
It's not a bad method, but it does hinder your ability to work with various forms. It's really good when first trying out anatomy but remember that people are weird looking and different and there won't always be a perfect ratio. This method is best for understanding shading and ... but thats just my opinion ...

>>3478814
Here's the reference.

>>3478661
WHAT THE FUCK
How do you go from that shitty mspaint shit to that in just a day?
I cant even do that type of shading, im giving up, you really do need talent to get good.

>>3478818
its called trolling

>>3478813
fuck you
>>3478799
I've been trying a whole bunch of different things

>>3478816
yes im having trouble rendering, im also using the asaro head as reference, do you have some exercises youthink I can try? the fats of the face confuses me too, is there a way to remedy that?

I’m doing the Picasso drawing exercise but on a different drawing. I’m using the sticky.
How does it look?
I’m gonna upload the reference. The artist is really god and I love the painting. The painting make me easier to look for lines and shapes.

>>3478855
Here is the reference

I’m gonna try this but with life drawing.
Do you thing I have symbol drawing?

From life.

>>3478859
I like the shading, and how you got the background to look like something.

>>3478859
Is it with ink?

Reposting from the other thread. I need help with the pose and the anatomy

>>3478737
>>3478829
>learning entirely by drawing stylised anime trash that's impossible to critique or learn from because any bad anatomy or proportions is "just the style bro"
Not gonna make it

>>3475399
I used to be surrounded by a bunch of friends who were crazy good at drawing. Considering we were all around the same age I guess I felt inferior to them? Like "wow I'm so slow I'm never going to catch up to them." Sorry for the blogpost

Fucking kill me
I tried to separate lights and darks. Mmm
Should I count local value? How does it read?
Tell me your opinion or suggestions anon.

>>3478896
same tho. and I feel that way about really good artists who aren't my friends lol. especially when theyre like 17 yrs old and im fuckin 26! and all those years of squandered talent/potential that I didn't hone cus i was lazy!
but that is why we are here. to git gud. theres always time. so lets git gud anon

so that watts atelier another anon was recommending is going to have to wait until I get a cgpeers account. what can I do in the meanwhile to practice? this is my instagram that shows how much I'm stagnating, i don't know if someone can give advice based on it (it's really bad and I am ashamed but I want to improve so whatever) https://instagram.com/bobbywinter.art

>>3478901
Push your values harder sempai~

Also learn how to squint your eyes to see value better when doing observations

>>3478913

Okay anon got it.

If you know a pic or something, a demonstration tell me

>>3478912
proko might help, i know a lot of people shits on him in this board, but the guy is really good and his videos are helpful for beginners, easy to digest too.

>>3478922
The god new is
I can try again and again. :v

>>3478817
Do you have a larger version of this? Would love to do a study myself.

I thought I was ready to give imagination drawing some practice. I was very wrong.

trying to figure out how to paint skin

>>3478948
color picking doesn't teach you anything anon

>>3478960
I guess the color, color pick to see how close i was, and trying to approximate

>>3478930
Sorry anon that's the biggest I got. I tried searching around but all I found were pics of the same size.

>>3478962
*try

>>3478962
assuming thats not a lie, i suggest not just trying to replicate exact colors. you will get a much livelier, less muddy/plastic-y, looking skin if you layer red onto it with adjustment layers/brush types

>>3478971
alright, thanks

>>3478976
dramatic example of what I mean

>>3478981
never thought about that. guess that's why people say photos aren't amazing to work from.

>>3478981
Fuck me the colors really bring it out. Ugly woman tho.

>>3478989
Well they're fine to work from so long as you notice the color palette, not the specific colors. A sunset pic is gonna drive the color orange for art, even if the actual pic may have a fuckton of gray on the bottom from whatever the camera was resting on.

>>3478981
i know it says dramatic example, but that's just too saturated. I'd prefer the left one over the right one any day.

>>3479009
Oh man then you got bigger issues than just working with art.

>>3479009
you necrophilia bro?

>>3479012
who knows? but when you come face to face with a real human under normal lighting conditions, there is no way that their skin will look like that. the one on the left is more probable.

>>3479019
I called it dramatic for a reason, yeah its too saturated, but the one on the left is too desaturated.

and while you might find people who DO look like the one on the left, that doesn't mean you want to paint them. or perhaps you do, theres a time and a place for everything.

and generally when artists cant figure out what their portraits/figures are lacking, why they dont pop to life, its blood in the face and sub surface scattering

>>3478945
That actually looks really similar to something I drew when I decided I might try doing imagination drawings. Turns out having a reference around is still a wonderful idea.

>>3479028
oh so you mean its your "style"
I do agree that the left is desaturated but look at these pictures they have the same lighting as yours and same tan complexion, just look at how subtle the subsurface scattering is. If you're doing a study how are you gonna learn if you keep pulling some random crap out of your ass

>>3479043
please tell me what exactly my style is when I haven't posted any work here lol

>>3479049
>and while you might find people who DO look like the one on the left, that doesn't mean you want to paint them. or perhaps you do, theres a time and a place for everything.
>"i'll paint what i want"
>"style"
yes please ignore everything else and focus on the style part

>>3479052
I wasn't saying anything in reference to a style I meant it could be a tool used to portray something (mood/tone) in your art....

>>3479049
for the record im not mad at your perception of skin or anything but you're giving out bullshit advice to people that will hurt them.
this person >>3478948 is doing a "color study" so they can paint skin
and you give them this??
>assuming thats not a lie, i suggest not just trying to replicate exact colors. you will get a much livelier, less muddy/plastic-y, looking skin if you layer red onto it with adjustment layers/brush types

wtf bro, tell them to not use the color picker and try to pinpoint the color in the color wheel to train their eyes. Not pull out random colors out of their asses that's not present in the learning material. And you give this already stylized examples >>3478981
>>3479028
i.can't.even.wtf

It looks like I’m not trying but I do.
I need to get get some sleep I will leave like this and try tomorrow again
My observational skills are lame.
I must confess I feel sad when I do wrong. Frustrated. I always want to do everything good.
Just sharing.

>>3479058
first of all where the fuck did they say they were doing a color study? they said they were practicing painting skin, so I was giving skin painting tips because I noticed on their palette there was a muddy reddish brown color

the examples also look less exaggerated when theyre not pinned next to desaturated versions. im not telling people to wash their canvas with red, just to play with adjustment layers with

stop sperging out

>>3479067
you're basically telling them to stray away from the source material.
And since when is 'learning how to paint skin' not under color study? are they doing black and white for values? No. Are they doing wrinkles and concerned with the form of skin folds? No.

How are they gonna learn if they keep relying on adjustment layers?

>>3479078
yeah because its not a study of the photo it was a skin study and picking colors from a photo isn't the best way to learn general tools for painting skin
>relying on adjustment layers
its 2018 don't be so stuffy. use all the things you've got access to. please post your work, if you don't use things like adjustment layers/brush modes youre either a color savant or all your stuff is desaturated uninteresting garbage

>>3479095
>yeah because its not a study of the photo it was a skin study and picking colors from a photo isn't the best way to learn general tools for painting skin
How will you know the shades of the skin if you don't look at the reference photo??

>its 2018 don't be so stuffy. use all the things you've got access to.
Then why even bother studying and just do photobashing?

>>3479103
ah yes "use brush modes and adjustment layers" is basically the same as "trace and photobash"

>>3478948
Keep in mind that the lighting and her make up might skew what you think her skin color looks like. So you might be picking at the colors of the layers of foundation and make up she has on rather than her actual skin, which might make you feel like it's off.

>>3479112
you don't use those things in studies, it'll make it harder for you to see how colors interact since its basically doing all the hard work.
>kinda like photobashing yes?

>>3479118
youre just making rules up. how does it make it harder to see how colors interact? you can see how colors interact in reference to different modes and the result they produce. thats a skill/toolset in itself.

like what the hell are you talking about dude "doing all the hard work" what does that even mean? are you one of those tradional purists? youre just being contrary to be contrary at this point

>>3478948
don't use cellphone photos that have beauty/blur modes on them. find real ass photographer work which appears to have minimal touching up or not horribly caked on makeup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALIBrFzIQ8s

>>3478661
>>3478818
It's just long-form shitposting, I actually respect that the guy had patience with it, pretty funny imo

>>3479125
i give up, you don't even know learning to paint skin is a type of color study. Or that adjustment layers changes your colors for you, basically doing almost everything for you. Go preach and spread your oversaturated skin tone nonsense. gud luck, imma go sleep

>>3479138
Skin is maybe a type of color study but it’s on a different level because it’s translucent and there are more variables than just local and relative color

Still waiting for you to post your desaturated work

I made this with no reference. DOes it look okay? It's the first drawing from imagination I've done where I felt like it didn't look like total crap.

>>3479161
You are going to have to break some bad habits.
1. Build up your line confidence. You are using small lines to control the form, but end result is messy. Grab a pen and start drawing lines, circles, and shapes so that you have confidence in controlling your lines.
2. You got the placement of the features but the features themselves still need work. Study up how other artist like loomis and such handle eyes, nose, mouths, ect.

>>3479161
Unfortunately this is the definition of symbol drawing my friend

>>3479204
Thanks anon. I just am reall bad at drawing lines they get wobbly if I don't lift up. I'll try practicing confidence. I think I got most of loomis' books so I can study that.

>>3479207
Well I had no reference I knew it would be symbols.

>>3479209
You can try the peter han or the drawabox exercises to help you build confidence. It's tough at first but they are good at helping you get rid of the wobbliness of your lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>3478923
i tried watching proko, and doing exactly what he does, but apparently I'm not internalizing the lessons? it's really frustrating, I don't know what to do. I tried following along, I posted a video of it in the last topic, but people just said "no that's wrong, get watts atelier" and now I feel I can't even attempt to draw anything because apparently it's all wrong :(

>>3479448
gmi

>>3478872
right leg too long

>>3479063
Looks pretty good from the thumbnail, keep practicing anon.

i didnt give up see. although im not going to do one for today.

so i know theres some mistakes like the hair not falling on the back side of the head with the top left, too much skull with the with one with the big mouth, etc

>>3478416
Hey its my pic! Im so happy lol

Looking for critique on colours and anatomy

>>3479607
You dislocated her arm.

>>3479529
Thank you!

$200 for a drawing tablet, is it worth it? only thing i hear that it doesn't have is tilt sensitivity
i don't know what that is, is that really important?

>>3479617
yeah, perspective is really challenging to me. thanks, anon

>>3479543
Stop shitposting already

>>3478661
Yo, what the fuck is this shit man. what program did you download to get that good in a day

>>3478661

>>3479607
idk buddy i think you need to work more on your line work and anatomy before delving into color theory, only use blendmodes if you're coloring from b/w, if you're doing color studies dont.

>>3479651
eat my ass nigger

am I gonna make it bros

>>3478524
Do whatever you need to do to prevent smudging it's your sketching. I don't really care if mine smudges or not it's just a sketchbook.

Practice drawing more cylinders and shapes and study how to draw them in perspective.

>>3479703
Yes. Yes you are anon.

monster girl

>>3479711
Nice!

Been drawin for 6 days now. Am I doing okay ?( for 6 days standards ,i mean.i know its shit)

>>3479703
you can

>>3479729
gmi

>>3479733
Please tell me how then

>>3479734
I am sorry idk what gmi stands for

First day drawing people. Is this at least somewhat attractive? I was going more for anime than human, are the proportions okay for anime standards?

>>3478416
Can anyone explain to me how to get megaman's helmet right? It somehow always looks off when I try to draw it

>>3479741
No-fap's over for me, bros

>>3479741
the ponytail looks nice

>>3479745
I literally just started drawing today so take my advice with a grain of salt.

I looked at some pictures on the internet, and this version of megaman usually has the eyebrow-ish bits of his helmet drawn with straight lines, no matter the perspective. Your drawing looks more like old megaman with all the happy curved lines.

>>3479736
practice

>>3479750
>>3479754
Thank you!

>>3479703
I like the spine, the back legs, and the face. Dem thighs :chum:

The shoulders look like they are at too sharp an angle. Its right shoulder looks fine, but its left shoulder seems slightly too far back.

>>3479745
break it down into simple shapes, trace over the image if you have to, remember to show the back side by drawing through it.
draw those simple shapes in what way they are constructing the helmet from different angles, 'rotating' it.
after you understand the construction of the helmet, you should be able to draw it whatever way you like
ignore detail until you have it where you want it, and it looks right

>>3479738
Gonna make it. Your future is bright

>>3479704
>Practice drawing more cylinders and shapes and study how to draw them in perspective.
Thanks anon, I'll do this.

>>3479764
Thanks m

>>3479729
Looks good, but a bit washed out and therefore visually uninteresting. Make the darks darker to create more contrast (if you're just using a standard HB pencil you might want to invest in a 4B/6B to get darker shades).
Also try drawing the shadow, it'll ground the pepper on the page and make it look more realistic.

>>3479543
if those bargue plates you posted last time are really yours, then you need to use those techniques to draw from reference. you clrearly arent using those now

>>3479741
>I was going more for anime than human
Don't fall for this meme, do realistic drawing before you stylise.
You're never going to improve if you can just pass off any shitty proportions / anatomy as "just the style".

>>3479630
I've never owned one so I can't say for sure. I can make some guesses about how it might be worse than a wacom.

It could have some latency, which doesn't render the device useless but is pretty annoying. I've tried all kinds of wacoms and they all have really low latency.

It probably has a worse screen, but I'm sure 90% of people don't need a screen as good as a wacom. For instance I don't think I would every draw in color, so a wacom would be overkill for me. Also you can always look at some art you know has good color on your xp pen display and use it for reference. I use the same principle for audio: if I want it to sound like steely dan, I don't need the same equipment they used, I just need to listen to steely dan on my setup and compare.

You could be more likely to get a dead on arrival device, which is no big deal if you aren't in a hurry. Cheaper quality assurance in manufacturing usually brings the price way down.

It could have support for less operating systems. I don't know any details about that, it's a total guess.

In my opinion, unless you are making money from your drawings there's no reason to get a wacom display if you can barely afford it. I use a wacom intuos basic because I just started drawing myself. I only know anything about graphics tablets because I worked in a library for a long time with all kinds of wacom cintiqs and whatnot.

>>3479798
i never got around to redrawing them. can i do them digital? i dont have charcoal pencils anymore

>>3479799
Should I just copy photographs?

I think you're right btw, I have noticed hentai manga usually has really human looking characters, as opposed to doujinshi in which all the characters looks stretchy and weird.
The pros probably did what you said when they were learning.

>>3479630
don't bother getting a screen tablet if you cant afford a cintiq
tilt sensitivity doesn't really matter if youre not using brushes that utilize tilt.
but there are things that do matter, the color gamut is PROBABLY going to be fucked, what this means is what you see will not be what most viewers see. do research to find out reviews on this produce/what the color is like/sensitivity/sturdiness ( obviously youre not gonna throw it at a wall, but if it breaks for everyone 3 weeks in youll want to know).

my opinion is not to waste money on a screen tablet that's only 200 dollars. something wrong there. if youre serious about art but cant afford a cintiq, just get a non-screen tablet. if youre not serious about art and want it for funsies (I mean why spend money like that at all on a tablet in that case..?) then I guess go for it and suffer through the issues that will inevitably crop up

This is day 2 work

>>3479816
nice ear

>>3479816
The face and head look good, but a lot of the other body parts look out of proportion. I'm just starting so don't take me too seriously, but I'd guess the place to start would be just looking at your own arms and trying to make her arms look more like your own. Like you don't want her elbows to be thicker than her shoulders, or her wrists to be thicker than her elbows, and so on.

Her left shoulder (right from our perspective) looks a lot better than the other. Try to make her right shoulder more like the left.

>>3479658
Thanks for the tip, I appreciate it. I wanted to make the piece a bit more appealing, so I tried colouring it a bit. Surely I need to study more anatomy. About my lines, I wanted to give a sketchy feel to the piece, but maybe I exaggerated.

>>3479630
>>3479811
If you're looking at a 200 dollar screen tablet, you'd probably be happy with a $10 capacitative stylus. I don't think that teaches you bad habits as long as you do traditional work too, especially with charcoal.

This one is completely from my imagination, thoughts?

>>3479862
Looks weird.

>>3479862
Messed around a bit with the feature placement on the face in Photoshop

>>3479888
ribcages aren't shaped like that in that perspective

>>3479901
hey thanks, i always fuckin up this part

I dont know if i can ask here
Any good book/video to draw feet and hands?
those are my problems right now

>>3479901
You literally traced it over and called it a redline, stop posting.

>>3479918
are you retarded?
the parts I traced over exactly are there because I didn't want to break the integrity of anon's style
there were minor changes like moving the ribcage, tits, ear, and shoulders

im not going to completely overhaul the picture when theres clearly a style hes going for

>>3479918
>>3479925
I originally did a more stark change in anatomy but realized I was adjusting it to how *I* would draw it, not necessarily how anon would. so I changed it to something closer to the original style

I'm trying to draw the arm in the back and cannot for the life of me make it look right.

Can someone draw it for me so I know how it should look?

Why does my art look good one way, but when I flip the image horizontally it looks like a kindergarten student drew it?

>>3479984
it looks like shit both ways youre just used to it from one angle so you think it looks fine.....check it frequently by flipping while you work

>>3479989
good advice

>>3479968
i think i got it

i did some loomis construction. any critique? i need to do individual studies of parts of the face to be able to draw appealing eyes noses and mouths but i think my heads are approaching a good level (latest is bottom right). my linework with the heads tho looks really scratchy and idk how to fix that. do i just keep grinding?

>>3478561
Here it is
>>3478699
Thanks a lot for your imput! You're definitelly right about the pose, so I tried changing up a few things like the legs and making the chest less tilted so it looks less forced, also hid the delt a bit. Tried working on the upper back as well, but I couldn't find any right reference, so I'm not too sure it came out exactly right, especially because you said the spine of the scapula is the thing that shows the most, but in every pic I found it was always hidden, maybe I'm missunderstanding what you meant. Any other advice would be greatly appreciated

I believe this is the right thread to ask.
How do you go about designing clothes? As a person who has absolutely no fashion sense i always struggle when trying to create a character when i need to think of a fitting outfit. Anyone has any tips? I'm usually designing demonic characters. I tried to research how people usually dress them up, but i never found anything i'd like.

>>3480042
you're missing the bottom side of the head when you make the construction head look up

>>3480059
so... her wings are like, attached to her buttcheeks?

for your question, just google it
plenty of references online
you can also get ideas from fashion shows (like actual "haute couture") they make the weirdest fucking clothes, it's usually pretty inspiring

>>3480068
those arent entirely wings, those are basicaly energy containers. I'm still working on the shape tho, since i'm not exactly happy with them. They're supposed to be ending slightly after the beginning of the buttcheeks.

>>3480059
do thumbnail silhouettes til you get one you like then do thumbnail sketches using that silhouette, filling it in with different designs.

pros typically do several iterations of outfit design/palette

>>3480051
this is pretty good!

Opinion: Drawing hips as if they are a box like that can be good for starting out but it translate to making the butt like tense and flat. I would use a more rounded shape with a flat surface on the front. I draw a circle for how big I want the hips, then leg holes then cut the circle about 3/4 up then flatten the front of it to make sure my hips can look curved at any angle.

You have a good understanding of how muscles connect so I assume you are sketches those out during your process. keep it up brah.

>>3480066

damn u'r right. thanks anon (:

>>3480042
it seems you are getting there but are having trouble understand what these shapes are in a 3d sense. The jaw is going to act like a hoof (for now). When the head looks up there is a surface under it you are not including that makes connecting it to the neck awkward.

In other words, you are putting a paper mask on a circle. support that mask with another structure to connect it to the neck.

Your facial features have no anchor point so when you go to draw them they don't match. For now, just put dots or plus signs where you know a feature would go then work from there. if you have to, put those anchor points on your own face, then look in the mirror as you tilt and swivel your head and pay attention to how those points move.

>>3480118
yeah, i seemed to have ignored the fact of the skin under the jaw.

can you elaborate on what you mean by anchor point? do you mean just a general understanding (via dots) of where every feature is in relation to another?


thanks for the critique anon (:!

>>3480095
Thanks a lot, for the advice as well as the way I do construction kinda makes it useless when drawing the hips. Not sure I haven't ditched the flat surface for it yet, as I've done it for the chest.Also, I'm not too sure what you mean with
>then flatten the front of it to make sure my hips can look curved at any angle.
I'd really like to see an example of it

Beginner here who has been studying anatomy for a couple of weeks now. I would like some critiques on my sketches. I'm using two different anatomy for artists books.

>>3480218

>>3480220

>>3480222

>>3480223
I have a few other sketches as well I'll post tomorrow or the next day. Right now I'll like some critiques on my skulls and this rib cage.

In particular, I was wondering if I placed the top features over the skull correctly in >>3480223

>>3480233
One last post because I forgot to share what books I'm using:

I'm using Human Anatomy for Artists by Eliot Goldfinger and the Atlas of Human Anatomy for Artists by Peck.

>>3480218
very skewed

>>3480250
yea, I didn't notice how skewed it was until after I scanned it. I feel like this is one of the biggest problems I need to work on. For my second skull drawing (the one below it) I tried my best to keep everything straight.

>>3480256
All of them show signs of skewing but being aware of it is good so you know what to practice. If you're working on paper I find it helps to take pictures of your work to check it so you can see it with a different eye and fix issues like that. You're doing well, only other thing I'd say is next time just try to group these onto one image instead of posting 5 times (I appreciate them being the right size dimensionwise and filesize). Feels like you flattened the skull a bit in sketchbook07. I would recommend against smudging for shading as in the scapula.

>>3480130
like, dots on your face with a washable marker that your having trouble drawing. so dots on the sides and tops of the mouth nose and eyes. tilt your head and angle it slowly and see how close or far away the dots are from each other to see how they move along the same plane in relation to your skull and neck. I only started getting a grasp on hands by literally drawing shapes all over them and seeing how they moved on my hand while in motion. Helped a ton.

>>3480179
see pic, sorry it's poop quality.
so you establish leg holes in a sphere for leg approximation. Then you slice the top off of it. Then you slice a bit of the front off of it. There ya go, you now have a shape can loosely resemble the hips. once you understand that shape you can toy around with angles and perspectives. but don't leave it as is or you'll have a weird bubble butt. but the rounded shape on the back end can show you how much the angled surface can carry nd what way it would carry it at any given angle.

>>3480220
honestly these are pretty good for 2 weeks of anatomy. You rely a ton on lines. Your line work is good but because you don't use line weight, your going to have a harder time understand form and shading. Using line weight to establish volume, implied tension, even texture will help you down the line.

But you are a beginner, so don't sweat it. Just something to think about as a next step of progression.

do I vary my line weight by pressing down harder with the pen or tracing over a line again?

>>3480427
both
tilting your drawing tool/pressing harder is one way, but you can also sculpt the line by drawing over it repeatedly

>>3480452
thanks

>>3480427
pressure, tension, and angle. your gestural work should already be faint and wispy. Best way to practice line weight is by drawing a bunch of lines and seeing how various amounts of pressures affect them. So lines that go from pressing hard to lifting up off the page in one stroke. Get to a point where you can confidently and intentionally make lines that go from thick to whispy or other way around. It's boring yes, but fundimentals always are.

I spent a lot of spare time sketching with a ball point pen which encourages you to sketch your gesturals by hardly touching the paper. That could be a not so boring first step.

You can trace over a line again only if you think you can replicate the same exact stroke, other ways your lines will look like fuzzy split ends.

>tfw you downloaded drivers and pressure sensitivity still doesn't work

>>3480521
what tablet/pen on what (pc/laptop/table pc) in what program?

>>3480523
Wacom PTZ-630, any program

>>3480525
huh that's weird
assuming youre on a windows pc, search for Services and open the desktop app that comes up (has gears as an icon)
find the wacom driver thing listed (mine is listed as "Wacom Professional Service" might be diff for you) right click it and press Restart

>>3480530

>>3480530
Didn't work. Thanks anyway.

is loomis head construction applicable when drawing heads from reference? i just tried it and it seems like it's harder to draw heads from ref w/ loomis but that might be because i don't have a lot of practice drawing loomis heads yet

>>3480578
its because you don't have a lot of practice with the loomis method. it should help you understand proportion and form of a model/ref, not make it harder

Another exercise
I will upload the reference
Also I’m gonna separate light and shadow tomorrow p, I need to get some sleep
I don’t care if I don’t have talent or is shit, if you want to critic it just tell me what is wrong, how to fix it.

>>3480591
Reference
Alla prima

>>3480591
Looks like Soros

I drew and inked a picture, and when I scanned it in, of course zooming in some of the lines are abit wobbly, and the lines are abit pitted because of the paper but

Is there a way to treat the lines and make them abit smoother before I do the finer cleanup? Something that like lightly vectors them or something? I don't care what program does it.

>>3480600
its that a critic?

>>3480608
For logos? Illustrator will do.
For drawings? Clip Studio Paint.

>>3480672
Do you know what the function inside of Clip Studio is that does this?

>>3480690
I think I misread your question, are you talking about doing line work with a program or adjusting the lines on the scanned image?

>>3480708
Adjusting lines of an scanned ink drawing. In a complex drawing it's alot of work to go in and redraw every line when they're sort of pitted by the texture of the paper, etc

>>3480750
The only thing I can think of is playing around with the image in Photoshop to get it as close as to what you want.

I drew my gobbo again. She's got a tail now.

ive always thought those dumb tumblr squiggle smiles are endearing

is there any technique for drawing flames? for the love of me i can't imagine how can i draw them. or should i ditch that idea and do something else before tackling flames?

t. started to learn drawing from last 3 weeks

(pic not by me just trying to give an idea)

>>3480851
find reference and draw that, find artists you like and draw that. pause an anime and watch it frame by frame if you like and draw that. post an example of what you want to draw

Well I'm embarrassed, everything here is pretty good. Here's my first attempt of a design for a character I'm making. What do you think about this?

Other than keys to drawing are there any other lessons you guys do alongside the book?

Pushing forms around and trying to learn lighting. Just random tumour monsters, how do I get more creative with my forms? Also bottom right was last attempt

>>3480892
Building a visual library by drawing from life/reference.

>>3480892
pretty groovy dude, bottom right is the weakest though imo, but might just be because it's the least interesting, I like to connect geometric shapes with soft forms to get more interesting shapes, silhouetting also helps, use a chunky brush that's got an asymetrical shape or is squared off.

>>3478971
>>3478960
eat shit crab

>>3480912
>gives correct advice in a polite manner
>"crab"
what did he mean by this

>>3480915
I think you were communicating with a somehow living atomiton that looks, sounds, and acts like a person, but is in fact a tumor.

Not physical art, so Idk if it fits. Sorry for being a newfag.

How the fuck do you draw things proportion? My retarded ass can't seem to get this concept right

It never comes out the way I want it. What am I doing wrong? It's like I'm doomed to only reach mediocrity at best.

>>3480959
Get that mileage up and it's fine to use the grid technique when starting to learn portraits. Look at the reference more than the canvas also. Keep at it and you'll make it, buddy!

>>3480952
Estimate the relationship between things.

>>3478416
is it possible to get good without painting? I like line work and shading and find painting tedious. Seems like every digital artist encourage people to paint because it teaches you form but just doesn't feel necessary for what I want to specialize in

>>3481042
..no one can force you, and who would want to, well, continue with your cartoons. Without colour and form from shade that's what you are left with...

>>3480959
It's close.

The nose is all wrong - look at the volume, and the shapes. You don't have nostrils, which dictate the shape.The end of the nose is a volume, and hers is ball shaped - you have none. You have the philtrim wrong (the crease below the nose).

Draw her teeth. They shape the lips. You don't have to draw them 100% accurately, but they need to be there.

Her eyes are the wrong shape.

The cheek on the left side is wrong, she has high cheek bones, you have none.

Her chin is rounded, and slighty cleft. You have neither, and made it pointed.

The eyebrows are too low - and missing on the left side.

The angle of the jaw is wrong.

The shape of the lower lip is narrower.

The hair is a cop out. At least capture the part where the hair is pulled back, and her bangs.

Overall, her face feels too pinched.

Again, it's close. LOOK at the photo. This looks like a case of symbol drawing and a lack of interest in putting the same study and work into all parts of the face.

Try putting the drawing over the photo, and lower the transparency, and see where you goofed.

After that, work on your line quality more - line width can indicate weight and shadow, so the edge contour lines shouldn't be the same weight as the jawline. Consider places where you don't need a line, like the area between her jaw and ear, where you can visually imply a line for the viewer, but not actually draw it. That's part of being an artist - translating reality into a line - or a lack of one.

>>3478814
- Draw bigger!

- Learn to draw longer, sweeping lines. Look for S curves. The feel your'e looking for is flow. Your lines don't show confidence. That's something that you learn the more you draw, but in the beginning you can pay more attention to it.

- Drapery is one of the more challenging things to draw/paint, but you need to look more at the forms and draw the edges and shapes. You're not really doing that, you're synbol drawing what you think is there. I would find better references, or just make your own, by hanging a piece of cloth over something, and drawing it - this photo is above your skill level. Start simple with drapery, figure out how it works.

- start centering your work on the page, and draw the whole figure - especially when you have a full figure photo. We all get it, feet are hard, and this drapery is complicated - but get into the habit of treating every drawing as a composition, and it's place on the page, like trying to have equal margins on all sides. It's good practice, and you'll develop your compositional skills.

- I'll be honest, this isn't the best reference, from the waist down. This angle, it all just looks awkward, even as a photo.

>>3478962
Color pickers tend to average several pixels and values, so other than ball park, this is a bad approach. Skin has more to it than the simple colors you're using, unless you're going for a posterized effect. There are endless tutorials on skin on the internet, go read some more, and learn to build skin tones, and how to figure out what they are with your eye, not the color picker.

Another thing to keep in mind is that skin has cool hues, and warm hues. Post-processing on photos tends to equalize/dull these, which is why working with a model in person is always better, but you can learn to see it or approximate it using artistic licence. Warm and cool colors create the visual cues we see that indicate/create the illusion of depth, and lighting. What most artists do is experiment, by trying different things, until they get a feel for how it works. Skin is not "pink", or "beige", it usually has most of the spectrum in it, depending on the lighting.

This photo is edited, with a "glamour/fashion" treatment, to remove hair and freckles and other imperfection, which also dulls out a lot of the reflected light and shadows, and on top of that, you're not seeing the color that's still there, like the red in the nose. Most noses (unless covered in makeup or edited) are slightly redder than the surrounding flesh, because it's more capillary, it has more blood flow. The shadows have been edited, but adding blue to it, or green, would be the right approach, not the flat browns you're picking.

All pretty common beginner mistakes. Stop using the color picker, and LOOK at faces and where colors are. Seeing color has to be learned - a lucky few can do it naturally, but most have to train in it. Stop using fashion/edited photos, and work with real people if at all possible, and LOOK at the colors you see. If you have the opportunity, go to a museum and look at how the masters handled skin, I think you'll be surprised at what you find.

>>3479630
I have a tablet that is basically just a rebranded one of these and it's not awful for the price.

The resolution is quite small and the stylus has issues taking very tiny movements but it works well enough.

here you go assholes. hopefully i can manage to figure out how to apply this stuff to studies. ill probably go though the rest of features plates and do some features from imagination separately

>>3480411
Saved, thanks for the clarification

>>3478867
the black shading on the leaves looks like it's with a hard round brush on the computer

>>3481081
you're not done with the eyes, keep working to make them more and more accurate
be sure to also do a few asaro heads with only lines and please post the reference you used alongside in the future

>>3481126
i only have one plate that just focuses on eyes? unless you mean the one with side face profiles?

goddamnit i did a few of those a while ago too but oh well i guess ill do them again

>>3481136
That one plate on the eyes, yes. Keep redoing it and strive for accuracy. Remember when I said to post a reference alongside your work? That's important, don't forget.

>>3481075
Thanks for the advice. I usually do these when doing some figure drawing practices from line of actions on 8.5 x 11 printer paper so I have a bad habit of placing the figures on the page without being careful. My line work is something I'm also trying to practice on. I have a bad habit of pressing too hard on the pencil and repeating lines in parts making the drawing look messy. I'll try doing some more lighter and continues lines and see how it goes.

>>3481140
are you saying above isnt acurate? desu i didnt actually check myself but it looks pretty spot on. i

Is this color scheme acceptable before I render any further? Anything color wise I should change?

>>3478737
Needs some Loomis my boy, try studying anatomy and don't be shy about using references; everyone uses references.

>>3481081
I N C R E A S E
C A N V A S
S I Z E

>>3479810
Always study from life man, ignore anime trash because you're skipping all the basics and fundamentals.
Get an image you like the look of and redraw it once or twice in a set amount of time, say 10 minutes. Make sure to finish it if you can no matter how terrible and janky the proportions and angles look.
At first you'll probably hate them because they will look bad, however the point to these aren't making masterpieces. What you're doing is recalibrating your brain to actually understand what it's looking at and be able to translate what it sees and thinks more accurately to what it tells you hands to do.
Our eyes and brain did not evolve to draw nice pictures and it usually oversimplifies colours and shapes while blurring it together to optimise fast responses and danger recognition over acknowledging details. That's why treelines become blurred and people often think shadows are black when they can be any shade and gradient.

Good luck

>>3480868
Head is disproportionate to the rest of the body.
Redraw her referencing from a picture of a person, it'll help you get a grip on anatomy.

Could someone list the Loomis books in order of increasing difficulty to understand?

>>3481203
Everything that's not fun with a pencil > Fun with a pencil

>>3481167
I cant tell whats going on. Is the brown part an inside wall or outside? If its a balcony then I dont understand the room next to it. It would be way too small for anyone to put a window in.

>>3481226
left upper is inside, indicated by closed walling and electrical lighting. the door on the left leads to the room with the window (which I may need to modify the size of to better show that there is a room there) the 2nd balcony in the distance is upstairs in the room to the left.

welp

Recently picked up Sketching People by Jeff Mellem, so I'm working on observational drawing using point to point drawing. Takes roughly an hour for each, so I plan on doing a day's worth (24 drawings) before moving on to the next step. Blue ballpoint pen by the way

took a break from digital cuz I ran out of nibs, trying to get back lost time
still unfinished, crits?

>>3480624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feGXIK--OdM
No, soros is a bitch.

Yo guys. Something is off with this and I can't put my finger on it. Is the hair too voluminous? are the eyes all wrong?
Ignore the shoddy linework, I havent cleaned it up yet.

>>3481336
why are you posting in beg, fragile ego motherfucker

there's nothing obtusely wrong with it you just need to push yourself more imo

>>3481414
xd when i asked where to post they said in /beg
how do i delete?
ty, i agree it does look bland and boring i'll try doing something a bit crazy with the hair

>>3481399
fat stubby arms

H E L P
E H P L
L P H E
P L E H

How do I shade with a pencil?(completely serious) Anytime I try to shade something it just looks like I drew hair in the spots that were supposed to be shaded. I've looked through a bunch of other works and I don't understand how people manage to do such smooth shading, as every time I try it myself, it looks like shit.

>>3481460
her shoulders and ribcage dont line up
highlight the whole torso starting at the breasts downwards and rotate it 20 degree clockwise, then carve in her right lower ribs

>>3481468
crosshatching
smooth shading with pencil is autism and most of the gradients you see either used charcoal or a real soft pencil

how do i learn to hatch like this?

I Can tell something is not right but I honestly have no idea how to make faces better than this. Send help please

>>3481508
im a begineer myself so take my criticism with a pinch of salt those lips look horrendous, both their shape and their placement
imo they should be higher and further right like pic related

>>3481452
Don't worry about deleting lol you got crabbed by whoever told you to post in beg
I'd go to the standard draw thread next time.

>>3481508
symboldraw at his fitness

>>3481517
I totally agree, gave up on the lips (did them last) when I realised I had no idea how to make them.
I am more conserned about the general layout of the face, everything just seems to be in the wrong place.
Oh and thanks for your input, I appreciate it

>>3481530
did you used a refrence? have you studied your fundies?

Heads are hard to draw.

>>3481533
Didn’t use a reference and this was my try at studying the shape of heads with help fun with a pencil. Tried without checking the book while drawing but it just went south

Depression and depersonalization lately makes me draw extremely out of bounds as if people are plasticine

Is this feeling/style of constant want to draw depressive and tired people good in any way ?

>>3481547
I used to draw more straight in the past, these are months old

>>3481520
ohhhhhh

>>3481547
I used to draw more straight in the past, these are months old

>>3481069
Thanks. This has been the level of my studies for a while now and I'm having a hard time pushing through. I think I need to study individual facial features for a bit because there's something I'm not quite getting. I plan on painting it.

Cute?

>>3481167
Yes, stop using straight black for shadows. You're flattening the piece by doing it, and not putting any indication of depth to it. Shadows have color in them. They're darker hues, not "base color + black".

>>3481492
Have you tried trying to?

>>3481565
broken

>>3481565
heads to big, hiding arms hands , boobs wrong angle and they don't work like that ,half assed legs

>>3481468
smudge it with cotton or your finger to get a very soft gradient, you can google other stuff that you can use if you dont want cotton or finger

>>3481565
the choker looks nice

>>3481167
color scheme looks good to me (in the foreground)
dont know why you'd go for a brown for the sky, the shadows of the buildings suggests night, if you're gonna do a twilight , then maybe more highlights on the rails and balcony?
the room looks way too narrow for someone to live there

>>3481547
Is it that garbage?

trying to learn head construction. The fact that the example I chose was at an odd angle has really thrown me off. Every time I do this I fuck up the perspective in a new way.

>>3481637
you drew the construction over the head before you started working right? I'm not sure how you messed the perspective up like that.

something that may help is measure the eye line (and any other angle such as the invisible line from the corner of the eye to the start of the ear) with your pen like sit back like 2 feet or arms length if you can and measure the angle of the eyes/mouth with the edge of your pen. artists holding pencils and shit up and closing one eye isnt just a meme, its a tool to help measure proportions and angles

>Tell people where do I learn to draw
>everyone advises Loomis
>I just want to draw landscapes
Does Loomis cover that? Seems like it's mostly anatomy

>>3481565
The face's real cute, the phisique needs working

>>3481637
All the cranium spheres are wrong including the reference trace.

Rate my squidgy form

>>3481575
i hide hands with purpose, but yeah rest needs work

>>3481679
>i hide hands with purpose

Does form require shading? Can a drawing have form and no shading?

>>3478661
Big kek

>>3481656
look at perspective instead. That will be a goldmine for you friendo

>>3481649
Thank you, I'll start trying that.

>>3481673
How do I fix them and start doing the cranium sphere right?

>>3481734
I understand basic perspective but suck piping hot dick at colors, and advice there?

>>3481776
study color theory....theres hundreds and thousands of literature and teaching tools on this

>>3478661
I got fucking played, son!

>>3478867
Yes
>>3481124
It's done with marker

One of the last things I drew that I kinda liked. Sort of from life, but from imagination because life doesn’t stand still.

>>3481742
>>3481673
Is this a better cranial sphere? I'm starting with a sphere, then making an ellipse on the side to create the front plane of the face like most tutorials say to.

>>3481682
yes anon, im not scared of drawing hands even if they are not perfect, but with this character it was my choice to hide them behind.

I'm trying so fucking much and it's just a goddamn waste. Drawing fucking sucks if you're untalented and too stupid to learn

I tried to do female poses

I have no idea if this is done well or not, can I get someone else's opinion on the overall poses as well as some form of critique on them? I would greatly appreciate it.

>>3482188
>>3482188
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>>3482188
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>>3481565
Not my art, just posting for the message.

>>3481682
Did you seriously save the thumbnail of someones reaction image?

>>3481819

you're drawing the eyebrow line and hairline straight when they are supposed to be mapped onto the ball. your circles are wonky too, which you can help by doing dynamic sketching 1 i think