/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3475416
I didn't get shit my nigga

>>3475419
its on cgpeers

>successful Watt Atelier alumnus

>>3475416
The videos are way too lengthy and onerous for the average anon. Most people here just want to work on their fundies, and they can go through that more easily with something like NMA or Schoolism. The only exceptions being atelier style artists, who don't tend to come here anyway

>>3475416
>The only exceptions being atelier style artists, who don't tend to come here anyway
Why not?

>>3475457
Meant for >>3475445

>>3475457
Don't want to hang out with plebs, and not just plebs, like hardcore plebs who are enraged by any kind of quality or distinguishing taste

>>3475416
Nobody here draws for one thing.

>>3475416
im chipping thru it
>>3475445
i think most people here like concept art and focus more on purely designing stuff + do digital studies and shy away from trad materials

>>3475416
Watts seems like a snake oil salesman. He talks too much and his art looks like shit. Only his quick sketches are good.

>>3475883
Show us something he did that was shit amd explain why it’s shit or you are a fucking faggot and should shut up.

>>3475962
i think he just means that the stuff watts draws is unappealing to him personally. also watts DOES talk about a lot of stuff unrelated to what he's teaching which can get bothersome really quickly.

t. guy who likes the watts videos and finds them incredibly helpful

>>3475962
Not him but Watts is a faglord who couldn't make it so he holes himself up in his "atelier" LARPing as some modern Da Vinci. He has nothing to show but observational studies and most people here want to draw from imagination.

>>3475974
Again....

>>3475978
We talked about this before.

>>3475981
So... case closed. Its been “talked” about. Watts is shit because some furry/yaoi loving fuckwad says so? No one can point to an example of his shitty art?
God I hate this board.

This board is cancer.
Not only do you pirate his livelihood, you malign him and crap on his work.
Whatever. What goes around comes around.

>>3475994
>>3475992
They could at least be grateful for the free content

>>3475998
*stolen content

That's like saying be grateful for the SUV I clearly jacked from some uber driver to give to you.

>>3476010
No it's like saying don't shit on the guy who probably invested thousands to create the content your stealing.

Is there anyone on this board who actually does art above /beg/ tier doodles and studies?

>>3476020
The only thing he invested in was time to sit in front of a camera to which I'm sure he loves hearing himself talk as you can tell from watching the videos.

>>3475846
>concept art and focus more on purely designing stuff

i've yet to see any threads showing this but there are 100s of crab threads like this one posted every week.

coming to /ic/ for art is like going to a hot dog stand to buy a salad. this place is only useful for shitposting

>>3476036
Is there any point in requesting 4chan admins to remove /ic/ and create a new board under new leadership?

>>3476036
personally i've found that people who are more focused in concept art even outside of /ic/ reject watts because they see it as a lessons to become a fine artist rather than a designer. i've actually talked to people in non /ic/ discords about the teachings of watts and other fundies books and a lot of people prefer the "create and critique" method rather than studying.

>>3476042
>"create and critique" method rather than studying.

how frequently are the critiques related to something that watts covers in his level 1 videos like shapes, values, anatomy, etc?

>>3476040
It really should happen.
Problem is shit posting and anime, for better or worse, is its foundation and er, heritage.
Maybe it should function as a containment/bant board and a newer, better board or small set of boards for more serious artists can be created and moderated.

>>3476044
i dunno, i would guess the critiques are more focused towards making work for the industry than making good art, if that makes any sense.

>>3476052
that makes sense, thank you anon

>>3476035
Are you talking about when he reads from Robert Henri?
That has its place imo.
I think he comes from a generation before texting and tweets when people had attention spans and liked to learn more broadly.
Now its all gone to shit. Everything is pirated, free, good mixed with bad, everyone thinks they have something to teach.
Why should anyone do anything anymore?
If the globalsist who are trying to shut down the west have their way everyone will become slaves on basic income with medium-brown skin with no access to art or truthful information.

>>3476060
/pol/ nonsense aside I think it makes sense that fine artists would be interested in Robert Henri, moreso than people whose sole objective through art is to "get a job at blizzard" or w/e.

so he knows how to attract those types and repel the others.

>>3476042
I still dont think they know what they’re talking about.

He’s the only “atelier” that actually teaches Reilly, and Loomis, precisely because of his interest in and support of comics/concept/entertainment artists. His teacher Fred Fixler trained the same way and for the same sorts of people.

I think the disconnect is not on applicability to “the industry” but in plebs inability to distinguish between drawing/concept and rendering/technology. They cant separate it out and understand which parts are changeable and arbitrary and which will last you your life no matter what changes in tech happen.
He takes years to teach what CGMA purports to teach in a couple of courses about drawing and anatomy.

>>3476063
Whats nonsense about it.
The decline in art is the same as the decline in culture and it has happened by design, led by (((the left))).
Straight up.

>>3476066
i think the concept industry is very different today and you can (and should) take many shortcuts to get work done as fast as possible, and learning to draw takes way too much time. i also think that not everyone who pursues drawing as a job is an artist, because to really be an artist you need to be on the path to the mastery of your craft but getting the minimum skills required for a job and enjoying the work is a different mindset imo.

>>3476072
>able to visually describe ideas that the world has not seen before
>not able to draw well

>>3476066
>He takes years to teach what CGMA purports to teach in a couple of courses about drawing and anatomy.
Where is the disconnect?

>>3476082
i mean like using 3D models and painting over or photoboashing to save time instead of learning to paint textures and getting perfect perspective/anatomy which can take years.

>>3476068
Anon the goyim eat up that honorary Aryan created animu bullshit by their own will, meanwhile our Jewish lord Sheldon Borenstein is saving traditional art one milky way bar at a time

>>3476072
You might be right, but I would equate that with a decline in quality and culture. If games are the standard, and people dont mind their musculature and figures looking stupid then you’re right. But that has always been the case. All the way back in time. In theory, the people that rise to the top and get to work on the big budget stuff know their shit. Usually. There are exceptions like Avatar which had atrocious anatomy.

Its a simple equation and always will be, imo.
You cant draw what you dont understand.
If anatomy, for example, is your job, you need to understand it. If depicting believeable biomechanics is your job, you need to understand it. If depicting beautiful, believable, inspiring color is your job you need to understand it.
And it has NOTHING to do with what software you can use. That can always be learned anywhere, in any context.
Its the shit where people dont understand what they’re doing that makes it to market that degrades culture and civilization (and politics for that matter).
Knowledge, understanding and ability is culture. Where these dont exist or decline, cukture and civilization declines.
I’ve seen it happen dramatically in my own lifetime.

>>3476097
Hes a neet guy but if he died no one would know.
Vilppu on the other hand....

>>3476091
As I mentioned, in the gap between trad knowledge and mere rendering.

>>3476092
>before 3d came along, concept artists did not use maquettes or other means to speed up their workflow

If the "concept industry" is doing yet another "cool mech" or another spooky gothic castle that we've seen many times before, then fine.

>>3476068
The "right" stopped being invested in art after impressionism, perhaps even earlier. "Right"-based government leaderships paid no attention and gave little funding, if any at all, to arts and culture. As a result the arts have been associated with liberalism for hundreds of years. There's really no going back at this point.

>>3476106
Delete this

>>3476108
Let me rephrase: Why does Watts take years to teach this and CGMA flies through it?

>>3476104
right, and i think people who strive for greatness regardless of the field are artists but i know there are people who simply study because they want to meet the bare minimum of entering the industry as well. that's why i say that not everyone who's learning to draw is doing it for the love of art, and they would be adverse to studying information that they wouldn't see as useful.

so that's why i can understand stuff like watts not being for everyone, but i personally love his teachings.

>>3476114
i'm just saying there are some artists who want to study to a certain point and stop there, and they wouldn't be interested in watts and similar things.

>>3476072
>you can (and should) take many shortcuts to get work done as fast as possible, and learning to draw takes way too much time

lol good luck photobashing a sketch during a meeting with a client

>>3476124
From what I've taken half of CGMA's courses are a scam. I don't think I should spend 15 minutes on why that is. Watts is more wholesome.

>>3476124
Its in the numbers. If CGMA tried to teach it more in depth at the prices they charge no one would enroll. They need all those neetbux from kids who want to git gud in a year.
That, and/or a lot of the people who enroll in CGMA have been drawing seriously since childhood and are close enough that a little knowledge goes a long way. Either or.
Im not saying CGMA is bad per se. but Watts sure as fuck isnt either. And there is a point where the skill level arising from both types of education converge: at the top of the industry (provided you are professional and smart too!).
Thats my point.

>>3476131
Yeah babby.

>>3476125
>they want to meet the bare minimum of entering the industry as well
The industry is fairly competitive. Are there jobs for people doing the bare minimum?

>>3476139
though the bare minimum is fairly high for industry jobs, once you get a job in the industry there's no incentive to improve upon your own art skills beyond what the job demands. it'll always be up to the individual, and there's also work you can do at pretty much every level of proficiency.

once again i want to say i'm making the point that not every artist wants to become a master, some just want to learn enough to draw cool things and work on video games, and that's ok too. these people wouldn't be interested in the watts courses.

>>3476164
one would hope /ic/ has higher aspirations than to work a dead end 9-5 office job and call it art.

>>3476164
>once you get a job in the industry there's no incentive to improve upon your own art skills beyond what the job demands

do that and you'll end up getting pushed out by younger talent and your only option will be to start making generic tutorials for gumroad or whining on your shitty podcasts like that chris oatley guy

>>3476035
I'm talking about the watts program up on cgpeers.

>camera
>editing
>hosting

shit adds up

>>3476194
ok you win

>>3476217
Hosting costs next to nothing if his forums are an inactive wasteland. It doesn't even look like there is much editing at all as he is already a well spoken individual.

>>3476194
>like that chris oatley guy
alright anon my body is ready whats the fucking deal with chris oatley

>>3475416

mfw I actually feel inspired when people talk about not learning to draw because I know I am ahead of the curve

>>3476259
This board is toxic and people who want to learn the art of drawing and painting (both tradcucks and digicucks) need to be steered to look elsewhere or petition the 4chan administration to create a separate board that isn't filled with trolls and shitposters.

>>3476226
Hosting video isn't cheap, nor is the bandwidth to stream it. I'm unaware of their forums.

>>3476330
You act as if hundreds of people are signed up to his platform at that price point. The dead forums is a good indicator at a very small subscription base.

Is this fucking reddit/tumblr general?

>>3476392
well the board is full of /beg/ tier anime shit so

>>3476251
>worked at disney for a few years as character designer, left to make "meaningful art" (probably got fired)
>runs a podcast about making it in the design/concept industry
>makes gimmicky tutorials and courses
>uses every opportunity to whine about how the industry sucks the life out of you, yet he hasn't created anything on his own aside from his shitty podcast
>portfolio hasn't been updated in years
>has no notable credits to his name

this is what happens to lazy designers.

>>3476404
The board was full of anime shit since beginning, my dear redditor. Don't even try to fit

>>3476457
thanks anon!

/beg/ here, I was told to get the drawing section on heads from this course. I don't have a cgpeers account. Any way I can get this?

>>3475432
>the fruits of a Watts education

>>3478477
They are open for registration every 1st and 15th of the month. And they have the full watts atelier pack so make sure you have 300GB of space available.

>>3478548
jesus 300 gb????

>>3478617
All the drawing, painting, composition etc videos at 720p/1080p.

>>3475416
How, where do you get the watts videos?

>>3475423
Is that not invite only? Would really love to get these vids.

>>3478682
>>3478548

>>3478682
See >>3478548, it is not invite only, you just gotta remember to hit them up on the open reg days.

>>3476404
judging from the source of the site, I would say /ic/ was made with anime in mind

>>3478683
>>3478687
Thanks anons

Not really worth it.

For example: When he goes over how to draw the head he starts using the loomis method. But he goes over it in a even superficial way than is shown in the books. He gives one example front, one side and then expects you to '"guess'' the middle line in the 3/4 view. He never goes over how the axis inside the sphere define where the line goes etc etc.. So even though he taught many students, he seems to be (that or he is being dishonest on purpose) totally oblivious of the fact that a new student can't possible know all these things, but he does not even assumes you do, he does not even question it. Fine. But then he goes over how everything needs to be done in a ''fine'' way, how careful and important it is to put the guidelines correctly to get a good result, how you need to measure accurately etc etc...

He never really goes indepth about anything and it is more a ''watch me draw'' series...

>>3478986

Good feedback.

To be fair he does list the recommended books in the workbook PDF. I can see how someone would be completely confused by it if they just watch the videos.

I don't mind him rambling on to be honest, nor his Robert Henri read-a-longs. I think he is definitely one of the better instructors that self-taught d/ic/ks can have.

>>3475974
He used to work on movie posters iirc, that is in essence the idea of "making it" to the average /ic/ anon. He prefers teaching, apparently. The great majority of the time Watts is blabbing it's about something very relevent to what he's doing in the moment. If his short anecdotal-but more often than not topical-personal stories he infrequently indulges in trigger you that much that you're fixated on them to the exclusion of all else you're one fucking autistic low test faggot who I'm more than happy to say will not make it

Did I get a bad batch of contes? Why do mine keep breaking?

>'"guess'' the middle line in the 3/4 view. He never goes over how the axis inside the sphere define where the line goes etc etc
>skipped art fundamentals
lmao
/ic/ is golden

>>3479020
>Robert Henri read-a-longs

>>3479549
Does anyone know why this is happening? My first order I had no issues. But this second batch every pencil keeps breaking and it's seriously keeping my motivation down.

>>3479926
Bad batch. It happens, if you buy it locally you might be able to return them.

>>3479549
>>3479926
not sure if this is what is happening to you but I bought a 12 pack of Primo 3Bs (they are probably softer than contes) and I have broken through 5 pencils trying to sharpen them. THIS is what I found out I was doing wrong. You have to roll the pencil as you sharpen. If they are breaking after you manage to sharpen them yeah i would assume it is just a bad batch. Idk why it took me so long to realize this baka

Anyone on /ic/ go in person?

>>3480919
I'll try that when I get home today. I tried yesterday with fresh pencils and those broke. Spent probably 30 bucks on pencils just for them to break. If it keeps happening then I will just do watts digitally.