/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

lol

Creepy cat

someone said to study asaro heads so i tried copying a few angles. am I doing this right? I got kinda tired and lazy towards the end

I need some critique on the anatomy and the pose, i have no ref for this

I mostly just focused on the cloak here, everything else is pretty shitty. Its pretty hard to imagine where all the folds are supposed to go.

>>3472823
god damn, not used to phone posting, didn't think it would flip it.

How to break away from symbol drawing? I've started doing drawabox's lessons but I still don't understand how that will help me on the long term.

>>3472957
Learn from Keys to Drawing instead.

>>3472795
your hands are different sizes from each other, your line suggests the left leg pivots way above where it should while her right leg seems to have a really wonky knee.

>>3472957
Keys to Drawing, or even the start portion of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain could be more helpful as a start, especially if you're trying to get over symbol drawing.

>>3472823
Drawing People by Barbara Bradley has a lot of info on clothed figures that could help with imagining folds

But definitely use references if you're learning, drawing from imagination doesn't show you where your mistakes are and it allows you to get away with bad technique

>>3472957
What is the point of doing something you don't see the point in doing?

How do I draw interesting poses from imagination while practicing anatomy? I always just start with the torso and start adding limbs. The final result always looks disjointed and wacky. I know I could use references, but I feel like this is a better gauge of ability.

I know I suck at hands. no bully pls

>>3473031
I don’t know, anon. I have zero skills and would like to start somewhere.

>>3472961
>>3473002
Thanks, will try those.

>>3473119

>>3472708
take better photos. looks great but its hard to tell!

>>3472824
ahaha!

I got kicked out of the porn thread for being a beginner. Is it ok to post nsfw stuff in here? I'm reworking the hands right now and then I might start inking. Is everything alright?

>>3473144
That alone is fine by me. But drawing mindlessly will not take me far. My drawings are so bad to a point that I’m ashamed to even post them on an anonymous imageboard. I feel like I need to learn the very basics before I can even begin to ask what I’m doing wrong.

>>3473161
get out, you're not /beg/

sketchbook work from imagination.

>>3473165
this retard called herself beg in the porn thread and got flamed for it so shes pretending she got kicked out and is posting in the beg thread for more ass pats

>>3473165
jesus christ. I would just like some feedback. so where should I post if I'm not good enough for the porn thread but too good for /beg/? /alt?

>>3473174
I usually am posting in here though, its one of my first time doing lewds. I just want to know where I should post to get some feedback without being screamed at for posting in the wrong spot.

>>3473178
I'm pretty sure whoever said you were beg was full of shit, don't take everything at face value

>>3473178
stop humble bragging or whatever you want to call it its retarded clearly you have more talent than 80% of the begs and crabs on ic
you want critique?
I don't know how i'm looking at this character because the angle or the foreshortening is fucked
from above? fix the bed it makes no sense with the position of the body.
right now to me the head looks like its viewed from a lower angle (angle of the face + pillow) which makes no sense if its supposed to be viewed from above (like the body is drawn)
the hands look like shit and you havent drawn the eyes yet both of these things because youre a coward who wants asspats for an unfinished drawing.
the dick looks 2 dimensional especially in the second pic.

I tried drawing this one using construction, but I don't know if it helped much. should I just keep trying?

>>3473163
>But drawing mindlessly will not take me far.
Be mindful about it then.

>>3473226

>>3473226
>>3473228
ahhhh just noticed now how much I stretched out her face, and how far her ear is :(

fuck, how come I can't even see this shit until it's too late? how does construction help this?

fuck goddamn everything is off and shit

how do I not let drawing stress me out so much? I just want to practice and learn but this is impossible when I'm getting so mad about how much I suck

>>3473163
You're absolutely right.
Follow the other anon's instructions and read Keys to drawing (or Drawing on the right side of the brain).
I recommend the first one. It goes way more straight to the point.
You should be seeing results soon if you do the exercises and aply the concepts.

>>3473233
You're bound to get frustrated when something goes wrong. I'ts normal. But you can't just give up because of it. Give it a rest and try again.
There's not much to do, you'll have to get used to it and keep trying.

See what you did wrong on the previous drawing and correct it on the next one.

>>3473231
Lay in the locations of the features and check the relative measurements before actually drawing detail. Otherwise you get lost in the detail and don't realize the proportions are all fucked up until later

>>3473233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pti-Swh_E

>>3473234
Thank you anon! I look forward to start posting my stuff soon.

>>3473192
thank you, first of all

the angle is from below, I just fucked the foreshortening from the reference. I altered it a bit but I don't know if I should push it more and alter some things, like seeing more of under her chin.

the bed doesn't actually end at the squares, it was just a choice to frame her better with light and shadow. I was thinking that maybe, shes got an open window off screen and its projecting that shape of light onto her bed I really quickly mocked it up the shading, but now I'm thinking I should put a headboard behind the pillow to make her feel more supported instead of letting it fade out.

I'm really not looking for praise, I know my place. I just want some assistance with the things I overlook, like the foreshortening. I don't know what the fuck I said to set so many people off I just want to be posting in the right place

>>3473260
forgot pic

>>3473261
the foreshortening still isnt reading and it wont read unless you redraw all or most of it.

currently she just looks like she has thick thighs and its viewed from above.
i dont have a real tablet so i did my best to show you what i mean, theres no perspective in your picture, it needs to be much more "squished" to push that perspective

>>3473287
I see what your saying, and I like the spread legs too.Thank you for the help anon. The way you drew the torso reads a fuck ton better. I'm gonna give this a solid re-do and alter it to be closer to that.

>Manage to get somewhat accurate with individual bodyparts
>As soon as I try and construct/copy a whole body it all goes to shit

I don't understand, it's like my brain just turns off when I try to draw a complete body

>>3473315
do the same for the other parts

>>3473315
how can we offer tailored help if you dont post examples so your issues can be seen

general advice: focus on form + proportion first before going into detail, give every section the same amount of care i.e. don't spend 30 min on a hand while neglecting the rest, work macro to micro big sweeping gestures then refine from there

>>3473315
Post the other shit attempt you clod.

>>3473340
>>3473343
I deleted the other attempts and just went back to drawing what I know which is a bad habit.

But thank you, I'll just try and force myself to not get stuck into the details until I have basic form down.

critiques on shading?

I don't get how to draw hair
https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE1ODA0OTcxMjY3MzYwMjY5/rene-descartes-37613-1-402.jpg

>>3473537
think in terms of values instead of lines then

>>3473558
values?
sorry for being so stupid

>>3473558
Not stupid! Values are the levels of light and dark so instead of drawing contour lines like the pic you could try “drawing” with value and shapes. So like a dark blob instead of a bunch of lines and scribbles. It could help divorce hair from the strands which your brain might be trying to draw. Think of it as blocks of color instead of strands of hair. Or something like that!

>>3473509
I don't think you need highlights on two sides of something. Especially not underneath half the shit on your character. Hair looks like the best thing you've got going shading-wise. I could critique many, many, other things, but you only asked for shading tips. I must congratulate you on not being one of the morons who use the smudge tool to shade, so you're not the worst.

Hey /beg/ first time poster here.

These are some of my latest drawings. I've been drawing since I was a kid but I don't draw very often, I don't "practice", these are done mostly between class periods. I want to start seriously practicing so I can draw my own creature and character designs. I want to learn about anatomy and gesture drawing but I don't know where to start or how?

What is a good book or resource about anatomy drawing? Should I start drawing faces, then move on to chest, then arms? Or just go all out and start drawing full body nude models?

>>3473537
Fix the eye alignment. Check your measurements all over. Map out the general shape of the hair as a large mass lightly and then refine to get the smaller shapes.

>>3473572
>>3468825

>>3473594
Thank you

>tfw have a ton of fun copying artists
>feel really bored when I draw from a picture
Am I just drawing boring pictures?

>>3473734
Yes.

>>3473738
Where do you guys find cool images to draw?

I can do really crude cartooning but the second I try to do something with even a slight amount of detail it looks like garbage and I realize I'm still on the level of an elementary schooler in most respects. Hate myself

>>3473761
what do you wanna draw

>>3473764
I'd like to be able to create stuff like this. Also, I can't draw women at all.

>>3473648
Nice drawings but fuck, read the god damn sticky.
There you can find Loomis, Hampton, Bridgeman, all of them go pretty in depth with anatomy.

>>3473773
have you read the sticky?

To get good at drawing you have to
>draw
>draw from life/reference
>copy artists to steal their secrets
>draw from life some more
>copy some more
>draw from imagination
>repeat until you die
Is this pretty accurate?

>>3473786
I don't draw from life that much anymore

Just do what it works for you

>>3473786
thats only 50% of what you need, you forgot the other 50% and im telling you what it is.

>>3473786
I'd say so. You forgot
>have goals and work toward them now

>>3473783
Oh fucccck, totally missed the sticky, thanks mate

So I'm doing keys to drawing and I notice it says give yourself something like 30-60 min on a drawing. My problem is I'm usually done in 10-20 minutes.

I'm not really sure how to "add" more to the studies so that I reach the allotted time? I feel like I'm going too fast but I'm not sure what else I can do to the studies.

>>3473785
Not all the way, but man it's so daunting. I thought I was a little better than I was an it's messing with my head, so many years behind and so much grinding and drawing lips, eyes, etc over and over again ahead of me just to be able to maybe draw shit I don't hate to look at for once.

>>3473174
wait are you saying she's doing (you)s?

>>3473827
That's more of a recommendation to explore and make sure you're not just throwing down sloppy work to finish it. If you feel comfortable and like you only need that amount of time, then you're fine. There's nothing worse than spending more time on a piece that you don't think needs it.

Could I get some personal recommendations on what exercises are most beneficial for observational drawing? I have been drawing from life a lot and have seen a lot of initial progress, but I would like to break my practice down more into some really helpful exercises.

Gesture drawing for today

tfw you thought you could draw but when you've started trying to actually draw you realize you could only doodle and you've never seriously tried to draw anything in your life

Guess I'll need to ready the sticky and bust my ass.

>>3472711
>am I doing this right? I got kinda tired and lazy towards the end
Then you're doing it wrong.

>>3473898
Positive/Negative Shapes. How one form overlaps/joins into another. Angles. High points of curves.

Use a straight thin sewing needle to make sure of things you aren't quite sure of (at first, you shouldn't be sure about anything). Occasionally you may think something is slightly angled one way when in reality it's the other way.

Anatomy, perspective, how things are made/how they work helps and there's some truth to the phrase "the more you know the more you see" when it comes to observational drawing. But don't let yourself go on auto pilot. Pay attention to what you are drawing.

Lastly, take a 30 minute break and try to draw things from memory without looking at whatever it is you drew from observation. Once you've exhausted your memory, compare the two works. Then do it two days later.

Is it true that I'll need to endlessly practice drawing individual body parts?

>>3473952
Thank you anon. I will work on those suggestions.

>>3473954
Yes and no. You learn construction and then rotate it in your head. You will be practicing some parts a lot but generally it's easier to draw sections of parts.

Why are you asking this/where did you hear this?

>>3472681
Supposed to be Kong

>>3473962
dunno why its sideways. Supposed to look like this tho

>>3473960
I don't know, it's just something a friend of mine who decided to commit to drawing a while ago does as exercises and it looks mind-numbing, but my real drawing skills are almost nonexistent and if I try to draw a face and put in, say, a pair of lips and try to add detail to it, it always looks out of place.

Same for any time I try to add facial detail. It just looks like clutter rather than detail. I know, I know, I should go through the sticky, but I'm at a stage where I'm really frustrated looking at anything I do and I want to improve as fast as I feasibly can.

I'm making this for a friend, I have no real art schooling, just self taught stuff. anything helps.

>>3473969
Off to a decent start. What's your timeline like?

Don't commit to hard, dark lines at this stage like you did with the contour, keep them lighter and looser like the rest of the face so that you can easily move things around. Portraits are hard enough as they are.

Mouth is like a ball that slightly projects out of the head, and sticks out more than what your contour shows. This also goes for the eye balls and eye lids.

Since you're not getting any further instruction you'll need to read the usual texts on drawing heads (ie. Loomis) and do some practice drawings to get their ways of thinking into your hands.

Keep at it.

>>3473969
You'd be better off doing more practice, esp with doing lines quickly and efficiently instead of jittering for an hour.

>>3473982
this has taken me about a week, most of that time was the face, the "clothing only too a day or two. I agree with the lips filly, in need more practice with giving them a 3D perspective. The eyes are odd because she doesn't really have protruding eyelids, their some what sunken in. Thank you very much for the feedback.

>>3473990
Practice makes better practice.

This might be a bit out of your league or it could be just what you need if you're thinking in 3D, but consider a block out like the one on the left.

Having clearly defined front planes, side planes and bottom planes is also beneficial both with alignment of things, and later when rendering.

The image is from Fundamentals of Drawing by Vladimir Mogilevtsev.

Cubes are hard to draw ;_;

I ve been drawing for 5 days now. Is my progress okay? I know it looks like shit but i was just intersted in my progress cause i am 21 and i feel a bit too old

>>3474005
It's fine. Get back to work.

>>3473831
Post examples of more realistic work, so we can see where you're at. That way we can give you more specific advice.

>>3473152

Thanks man I will try to post more and this time a picture of better quality

>>3473161
whoever told you that is a troll

>>3474001
slowly but surly

>>3474019
Just did this. Incredibly embarrassed to show this but here it is anyway. Used a reference of course.

>>3474043
don't even bother with digital if you're using a mouse or anything that isn't a stylus on some type of tablet 4x6 or larger.

>>3474046
That was with a tablet. Yikes.

>>3474047
It looks like something shitty done in mspaint or even gimp. If you're not going to bother using actual tools then there's no use helping you.

>>3474043
Low effort. Stop being lazy.

>>3474047
Don't listen to this dude
>>3474050
>>3474046

Getting used to digital takes time and it might feel awkward at first, but once you get into it it is alright.
Keep practicing, try and get away from drawing symbols, and get a better feel for the form and shape.
And stay away from this website because it kills all motivation.

>>3474051
That was actually the best I could do. Getting more pessimistic by the second!

>>3474052
it's obviously a troll

Old stuff
For now I must learn the basics of the human body to improve

>>3474052
Thanks for the encouragement.

>>3474053
Draw this.

>>3474065
I know this was probably a joke, but I did it. Tried to do it, I mean, and you don't even want to see my attempt at this.

>>3474070
Show it! Can't be that bad.

>>3474070
I wan it

>>3474073
Deleted it and I'm crashing out now. But I'm not throwing in the towel, it'll just be a bunch of braindead chicken scratches if I do it again. Later today or next thread probably.

The person from the thread image here. Sorry for the shitty collage but I actually feel like I'm getting worse at drawing and it's really disheartening.

>>3474157
Out of curiosity. What art books have you read?

>>3474157
don't shade if the lines don't look good
bottom right is a good example of you not knowing to stop and adjust

>>3474203
I had some people show me the basics like shading and perspective, did a few still lives and went on to the human figure for which I've looked at Bammes. Started fun with a pencil two days ago out of desperation.

>>3474213
Good point, I have to learn to take a step back and evaluate.

>>3474157

i think i'm gonna get sick to my stomach browsing these threads and seeing that NGMI guy post again

makes me push harder at the gym when i think i can't finish the last rep

>>3473830
holy fuck
tell me the books you read and exercises you focused on

>>3472711
>I got kinda tired and lazy
Take a break whenever you feel drained, and come back to it after 5 min to a day. Studies require your full attention to be as effective as possible.

Constructing noses from imagination. Before I move on to rendering, does it look like I'm understanding how a nose rotates in 3D space?

>>3474532
>Constructing noses from imagination.
>Construction
Where?

>>3474532
noses come in many shapes and sizes so in a sense yes. but you might want to try noses where the nostrils are narrower and don't extend as far as the tip of the nose. good exercise is to draw from imagination as you did, then draw 5 from reference. to see your shortcomings and what youd like to improve on

>>3474548
Sorry I hid the layer when I snipped it
>>3474550
Alright, thanks

Are there Gestures looking good? I feel like I fucked up on the last two

>>3474558
Keep doing value stuff. Something that you should see as a goal now is the understanding of hard vs soft edges.

>>3472681

I'm completely shit at drawing characters and things consistently. How do I get good at keeping character models the same? Does the problem stem from not understanding anatomy?

>>3474707
You probably don't draw enough.

>>3474707
(not trying to sound mean) less mindlessly copying things and more understanding what youre drawing

>>3474236
Probably talking about me but you know what I don't care if I am NGMI I just want to make myself feel good about what I make.

How do I get faster at drawing?
I feel like I spend hours on drawing and at the end of the day, i can only complete max 3 shit-tier drawings for some reason.

>>3474834
if youre spending that much time on a drawing and it looks like shit then youre not using the time effectively. you're not utilizing construction, you don't have an efficient work flow, causing you to keep fixing issues that would have never existed if the construction was right. use your pencil to measure your reference. get gesture right, get proportions right (through measuring), the work does itself for you, and will shave down your work time

>>3472957
>How to break away from symbol drawing?
Observational drawings every day. In other words, just draw.

>>3473965
>>3473962
Now finish it

>>3474834
>How do I get faster at drawing?
By drawing faster?

just draw lol

shit brushes, can't draw a nice thin line
so just smashed 2 papers together

first painting

>>3474949

sketch before redrawing arm and prego belly

>>3474949
so is this a nice "style" or whatever or should i just try full contour

also in what order should I actually paint? background first then paint over? painting subject first and then just be careful to paint around the lines? any tips would be appreciated

cyberpunk concept

Was practicing some figures on line of action until one really caught my attention and I decided to sketch it all out. It wasn't until I scanned the sketch that I notice I fucked up the alignment of the head and torso with the pelvis. Practiced a bit of shading also.

Was practicing some figures on line of action until one really caught my attention and I decided to sketch it all out. It wasn't until I scanned the sketch that I notice I fucked up the alignment of the head and torso with the pelvis. Practiced a bit of shading also.

>>3475018
And here's the reference.

Hello, i just got to the five minute burn/connected line/gesture drawings. I am just wondering, for the gesture drawings, what would be a good resource where i can find poses and such?

>>3475191
The artbook thread typically has scans of books that are full of photos of models in various poses - for precisely this reason.

>>3474532
More noses, pushing for more variation here. Alternated between Imagination and studying reference as suggested.

i've been drawing birds

I started this one, and I don't know why I find it so hard to go beyond this point, is something that always happens to me, how do I break this dumb habit?

>>3475369
you’re copying a highly stylized picture without doing any construction whatsoever

>>3474846
Not that guy buy how long is the average speed for drawing anyway? Everytime I see this kind of pro videos I always wonder how much time they actually need to draw from scratch till finished. The second ones shows that the video speed recording is just 3x, which means she finished in around 45 minutes what the fuck
https://youtu.be/wwFZjdvf-R8
https://youtu.be/s16iUdMI5gA

>>3475380
Pros have drawn the same thing so many times they don’t need construction. Your 45 min example makes perfect sense to me, it’s simple in design and coloring and the artist has drawn thousands of anime girls. Drawing something new takes more time but the time can be lowered still with an efficient work flow

>>3475374
not that anon but what is construction even?

How do you manage to stay motivated to draw anything when you know that you're complete shit? I can't bring myself to practice anything at all knowing it's just going to look terrible.

>>3475387
Measurements of the features in the work you’re copying. Anatomical or otherwise. Measuring proportions in a face or body. Or grid lines if you’re really desperate

>>3475391
it’s okay if it looks like shit though. No one but you has to see it. You also don’t have to meet any expectations. I should say to first get to the root of why this demotivates you. For me it was that I always felt like my next drawing had to be my best drawing and if it wasn’t then why bother. But that’s just not true. Amazing artists have hundreds and thousands of scrapped or otherwise not uploaded art and sketches and tests. Just draw

>>3475391
Imagine being 20 years older telling yourself "I never learned to draw properly". Personally I would hate to be that guy; the thought alone motivates me

>>3474065
>>3474082
In case one of you is still around, and wants to have that laugh, here you go.

Totally out of my element when I'm not doing doodle crap.

>>3475391
>stay motivated
I don't honestly lol, well my experiences with playing music is that the more worthy the skill is, the harder it usually is so just take your time even if it means years of practices to git gud

I'm dumb as fuck in real life but the best thing for me to git gud in anything is that I never intentionally bring myself to "practice" music. I set goals but my goals are usually very loosely defined and if I don't reach my expectations, that's fine. Like for example I started music because of course I'm interested at first but overtime people will get bored/feel like shit or suck and that's okay. The trick to keep doing it is just to do it out of habit, you treat it as something you just do to keep yourself occupied when you've some free time, bored, and don't need to socialize/work/take care of your family. In the long run you will be better in your skills and it just happens that you can enjoy it more because you're objectively better and not a beginner anymore

I started music to replace my bad workaholic and vidya habits, then I started drawing to replace playing music because living conditions don't allow me to make noise too much. Personal interests/motivations often don't make me move my ass, habit is lol. Just my 2 cents

Besides the shitty face (i lost my pen for details) and the horrible legs, what would you expert anons say are my main failures. That is to say, the things I should focus on the most.

Also, is the anatomy completely fucked up? It was kind of hard since it has so many arms. It is supposed to be androgynous.

>>3475493
thanks in advance btw

>>3475391

Gesture drawing for today. My first time doing it digitally.

MyPaint is a nice program to do gesture drawing with since it has an infinite canvas option.

The bane of my existence.

>>3475438
>Totally out of my element when I'm not doing doodle crap.
The only way to get comfortable using reference is by using reference. Doodle a little from reference every day. When you're comfortable doing a little (this won't happen over night), do a little more every day.

Hey guys what do you think of this doodle I did tonight?

>>3475537
Where's the front legs of the chair?

Quick charcoal study/warm up. I haven't seriously drawn in a long while and it shows

>>3475538
Obscured by the calves and lower legs, I don't think they'd be in frame, would they?

>>3475493
Quickly I'd say perspective/construction. If you look at the legs or where the arms attach to the torso I'd say anatomy/proportions as well. I cant tell where/on what the character is sitting

>>3475369
You gotta learn to power through more tedious parts like hair, thats where you stopped.
>>3475374
It's called upside down practice.png so as long as its to practice drawing what he's actually looking at Im sure anything could work as a study, I hope this anon knows construction is important

>>3475493
Lack of dimension.

tried drawing practicing from reference to get out of a slump, thoughts?

>>3475542
then the legs need to overlap the front of the chair more
the legs of the chair aren't attached to the very corners of the seat but have a bit of a gap to them

>>3472681
h-how do i transition properly from sketch tt-to lineart?

>>3475760
post the ref

>>3475880
By drawing a lot more. Lineart won't fix broken figures.

>>3475885
not that guy but if you're gonna say it's broken you say why/where it's off too

How many bones did I break?

How do I achieve lines like this? Is it just drawing slower?

I’m stagnating

>>3475917
Looks like it was done with a very fine point. Probably with a mechanical pencil with a fine lead.

>>3475917
Yes.

>>3475917
Get arthritis and/or a heart problem.

>>3475021
nice ref, where'd you get it?
>>3474065
i think he should study basic construction and the skull before planes of the head because the skull structure helps with construction and helps you make sense of the planes

>>3475917
it looks like a blind contour. personally i think an excess of lines like that will make your drawing lose all the interesting shapes and gestures you're building up.

>>3475438
Lol dude, take a pencil and learn to not draw with single lines but rather with long strokes. If you're not decent then don't bother with tablets. Learn about layering etc when you're at a proficient level.

>>3475917
Why would people draw Kim Jong Un's hand?

>>3475947
Incredible style anon! Post more!

>>3475927
No problems here.

>>3475975
>Learn about layering etc when you're at a proficient level.

Layering?

Also, more whatever you want to call it. Fudged the gun because it's not very clear in the reference picture.

>>3475947
Got it from line of action, they use lots of images of her in their nude figure drawing exercises. I tried going to the url on the images, but some images of her are smaller than the ones they have in line of action. So when there's an image I want to save form LoA, I just go view page info -> media and find the image I want to save since right click save as doesn't work during practice sessions.

>>3475985
>Fudged the gun because it's not very clear in the reference picture.
Reference is a guideline not a goal. Change your drawings however you like to clarify what your drawing is supposed to suggest.

>>3476005
Well I did actually try to change it and just made it look worse. Hopefully I can improvise better with time.

I attempted to copy a panel from Berserk. I think it turned out well but I noticed plenty of mistakes. This was fun though I like these drawings where there is lots of depth in them. What do you guys think? Anything I should improve?

>>3473161
they were trolling you because they hate futa.
fuck 'em. stay in that thread if you want to.
this thread is nsfw btw, people post nude drawings all the time.
however, your skills are better than a beginner.


>>3472823
You have a lot of areas that need improvement.
Start cleaning up your linework (the multiple lines you've drawn, specifically the headgear). Its a minor issue when you first start the piece but its a habit better broken sooner than later.
Don't press your pencil hard on the paper, you leave ghost groves.
your shading is promising. linework seems to be the biggest flaw.

>>3473226
its easy to tell when you place the two pictures directly side by side. slow down and take your time to notice the placement of the different features (like, the bottom of the ear lobe lines up the lower lip and the lower lip extends past the brown bone)

>>3473315
the only way to fix that is by drawing it more. you're not doing it, you have no practice. no shit you're bad at it. start with gestures and watch your proportions. you've focused on specific areas instead of the entire picture, thats why the parts don't relate to each other.

>>3474994
kinda cool but its unrefined

>>3475021
anatomy isn't horrible.
start focusing on your light values. the face should be in the shadow

Am I doing something wrong with the gestures, should I start to focusing on anatomy and come back later, am I missing something ? I put more than gestures and their references here https://imgur.com/a/82oq1OB .

>>3476074
Take your time. Speed comes with practice.

What im doing wrong?

>>3476128
lmao

>>3476128
Serious I ironic answer: you’re copying drawings of tits instead of understanding why they’re drawn that way which is why anime art with no fundies looks off.

>>3476128

>>3476130
>>3476134
>>3476138

I see he point, but its not my case. Im learing drawing in a right way, just still beginner so can you guys just say what i did wrong in my animu draws? I mean i see some stuff i could do better but im not completly sure.

>>3476160
Well, the obvious answers are
1. You're not applying the forms to the animu
2. You don't know how tits relate to the ribcage
Oh, and there's also
3. You're a weeb.

>>3476160
I told you what you did wrong. you're copying an anime artist's (or many anime artists') style without knowing why they draw it like that

>>3476160
Apply this to your "anime" drawings instead of blindly chasing the look of "anime".

>>3476172
And by "this" I mean the things you've applied in your second image, especially the bottom right one.

>>3475951
That is not what a blind contour is lol

>>3476165
Well i used only pose of bodies, heads and faces are mine tho.

>>3476186
if youre using a human reference for the body then you're not drawing what you see you're drawing what you think you see

>>3476191
you mean symbol drawing? Nah anon im far away from this, its just my lack of knowledge. I can draw everything i see and it will be decent, but when it comes to drawing from imagination or stylizing stuff i get lost. Just gonna spend rest of day studying.

>>3476183
the sporadic use of line reminds me of one.

>>3476208
if youre far away from it then why does the piece look bad

Feeling a bit more comfortable but I can't do shading for shit.

Wish I started drawing way sooner........

I don't understand how to stay optimistic due to sucking this much as an adult.

>>3476234
i think that is because your brush is bad.

>>3474065
i tried to draw this. i made the head too small so i had to shorten the nose to be able to fit the mouth in.


also, how do people shade so well? i can't shade consistently. should i expand my drawing tools? all i'm using is an HB pencil, so maybe if i start using more stuff it will help.

>>3475881
It's a whole book of poses

Here's a recent drawing of mine

>>3476234
>Feeling a bit more comfortable
Don't fool yourself. It does not happen over night.

>>3475391
You have to be stubborn. You want to learn to draw, and no amount of failure or embarassment will make you change course. You'll get there, it's just gonna take a little while.

>>3476278
>i made the head too small
You made the face too small.

>>3476331
Quality effort.
No area of shadow (even reflected light) can be as bright as any area of the light (even midtone). That's the rule, otherwise everything falls apart.

>>3476335

yeah. do u have any advice for shading better?

>>3476340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-piPn9d6Q
Use softer graphite.

>>3476339
Thanks a lot for the advice, I've just started using charcoal some time ago so it's hard to control

>>3476332
Not saying I'm totally comfortable already. But I'm feeling better about it.

>>3476043
Your feet need improvement, for one.

>>3472681
Am I gonna make it?
(PRAISE LOOMIS)

>>3476221
Not him but he can't be drawing what he thinks he sees if he's doing it from imagination.

>>3476128
Anon just keep going back and forth from drawing with reference and drawing from imagination.

Study of a skull with trying to get a faded / worn out effect. Getting back to art after a 2 year gap. Do the proportions look decent of the skull?

>>3476546
I thought he said he used a reference for the body but did the head/face from his mind

>>3472681
corpse bride, skin not blended enough?

>>3476540
Chicken scratching at 50% opacity
NGMI

>>3474834
i think i'm getting better

>>3476708
having no foundation in anatomy and then copying stylized art will not make you better anon. its the cold truth

Would you kiss these

I've been drawing every day but when I try to draw from imagination I can't visualize shit and it just looks bad. How do I get better at imagination drawing?

>>3476811
draw from reference with mindfulness. not mindless replication.

a good exercise is to draw a subject from imagination then find a reference of it and draw from that and see where your shortcomings are. like draw a dog or a hand doing a peace sign or whatever, then find a reference for the same thing and redraw it. see your mistakes and work to correct them

mindfulness, diligence.

i feel like im better than when i started learning to draw but im still really bad

>>3476043
Post the ref! I was going to redraw some Boichi.

If I'm getting this right, people is supposed to use conscious knowledges (anatomy/lighting/shading whatever) only in drawing from imagination/without references right? So in drawing with references/no imagination, I should just throw away my knowledges and draw literally what I see?

>>3476827
youre treating these guidelines as a binary and its just not that stringent.

yes when doing studies and such you should draw what you see and only what you see, if that's what youre aiming to learn from the study. if you need to work on avoiding symbol drawing, then yes. but artists also do anatomical/value/lighting studies from reference in their own style. which is a different kind of exercise.

also people use still use reference when imagination drawing, its not a crime. unless that's some kind of goal youre trying to do for yourself, but I do think its really extreme and unnecessary.

all depends what you as an artist are trying to learn/achieve

>>3476823
Okay here's the ref anon.

>>3476818
Okay I will try to be more mindful. I also feel like I don't really know what to draw at all. Am I just not creative enough?

>>3476846
depends. i think as you learn more of the aspects of art you will find yourself being more creative. stuff like gestalt theory. composition. knowing why things look good you'll know how to make goodlooking things. if that makes sense.

that or surround yourself with (follow/subscribe/seek out) artists you think are creative, that inspire you.

>>3476855
Thanks anon. What website do people use to follow artists? I'm not really familiar with them.

>>3476839
Thanks. You should save whole pages though, to see how it works in sequence.

>>3476835
>youre treating these guidelines as a binary and its just not that stringent.
Thanks dude. Those guidelines are just my personal understanding of reading various stuffs about drawing because I'll be honest, I'm dumb as fuck lol
>also people use still use reference when imagination drawing, its not a crime. unless that's some kind of goal youre trying to do for yourself, but I do think its really extreme and unnecessary.
Does this kind of workflow happen in creative drawing often? For example I learned about head and want to apply my knowledges of head. Then I draw a porn of this cute girl on top of me from references while replacing the head with something from my imagination, how's that?

>>3476876
I do have the whole page I just edited it because I figured you might want it that way. I can give you the full page if you want.

>>3476872
deviantart, tumblr, artstation, Instagram, twitter, pinterest... theres more

it depends on how you want to consume the content pretty much. which platform works best for you/has the artists you like on it

>>3476882
that's pretty much what people do....id say most professional and successful artists work that way or backwards and by that I mean they draw the thing they want to draw then seek references to refine stuff that needs refining.

for instance, artist draws a picture they have in their mind and notice the hand looks wonky so they look for pictures of hands in similar positions to glean information and correct their mistakes

the latter technique produces much more creative and generally more harmonious art pieces

>>3476540
I made it worse....

Alright, this one was terrible. Need to get a decent program and do some reading. Jesus.

>>3476899
>they look for pictures of hands in similar positions to glean information and correct their mistakes
Not the anon you are talking with but where do they look for these? I find it hard to find pictures I want on google. Maybe I am just too retarded to search properly.

>>3475927
Your linework is jagged and unsmooth as hell. You're also lack of knowing the main proportions and form of upper body. Shoulders are unsymmetrical and way too high for a woman. Boobs are unrecognizable and lack in form.
Try more, do more separate sketches of bodyparts and begin memorizing them. Do sketches from life or refs, it helps. Also do more constructions like boxes and shapes, not just lines you lay over a finished sketch which should resemble a """form""", build up an actual form instead, from simple to hard. Stagnating is a real problem, solved only by experimenting your way through.

>>3476886
yeah sure much obliged

>>3476908
that's something I don't know the answer to. right now I'm stockpiling tons of pictures of body parts/poses/whatever that interest me and I think will help me in the future, mostly from deviantart. but da's search function is a fucking racket. its hard to pinpoint exactly what you want unless youre lucky. that being said, general stuff like "hands" are easy to search for and yield a lot of results (just make sure you refine the search by going to photography>resources and stock photos). its also a good idea to follow really prolific stockers in the community that you like (senshistock for example)

i'm sure some other anons have better sites than dA for stock....

I tried using construction but it still came out really disproportionate. I didn't bother doing shading, my roommates cat kept bugging me and attacking my stuff. I just want to know, what am I doing wrong with regards to laying down foundation?

I recorded myself drawing so people can see exactly how I fucked up

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/274481097

>>3476920

>>3476907
Reference for this just to show how much I fucked up.

>>3476915
Alright here it is anon.

>>3476920
what youre doing wrong is scratching the paper like a chicken, getting way too dark way too quick.

lighten up on your grip, the paper is not your enemy. you focused too much on the construction like you had to do it for an assignment. its there to assist you, you do it to help you map out the planes and form, not because you "have to"

>>3476920
>>3476907
i'd suggest you guys try learning some basic construction with the ball from and doing some skull studies. what helped me out a lot is going through the watts atelier videos, specifically the drawing section on heads.

>>3476234
stop using bad gay paint programs. what are you using to draw? if you can't afford anything then learn to use krita

>>3472686
This is uncanny. I like it.
>>3473226
This one looks good! Maybe more shadow and maybe make the right cheek more visible?
>>3473761
Maybe color would make the difference, just check salad fingers youtube
>>3474043
Lmao looks like a memelord


Mine: I'm doing some mozaics of coloured paper

>>3476906
proportions, like the eyes being roughly halfway on the head. also you're missing some highlights you could have used on the nose/brow/forehead, you could have pushed somehighlights. i quickly brushed some things on but didn't touch the features. some of the highlights i added didn't feel like they helped the piece much because i would have had to rework too much else.

>>3477334
forgot to say, you'd probably want to design your hair again over a taller forehead.

progress from some amount of time

does anyone have any suggestions or tips for learning anatomy? Im currently trying to do rough sketches (some chicken scratch) of male and female anatomy but I still struggle to make an accurate representation of a human body in fully fledged drawings

>>3477403
watch actual lectures and read through books. scott eaton anatomy course is a good start. for reference, richer, elliot goldfinger, and anatomy for sculptors books.

>>3477403
Post work.

If I know literally nothing about art, can't draw for shit, but want to learn - is it worth it to start by taking some life/figure drawing classes?

>>3477442
Depends. If you have an instructor it could be greatly beneficial but if it's self-guided then not at all. You need to learn the fundamentals like basics of holding your tool, showing form, perspective. I'd recommend some books like Keys to Drawing and a figure book like Steve Huston's before a class. At least some grasp of the basics of copying what you see onto paper before it. If the course says beginners are allowed then try it, however I'm not sure what you can get out of it without being able to appreciate it. Drawing the figure is the hardest thing.

>>3477116
>i'd suggest you guys try learning some basic construction with the ball
... What? I posted a video of myself trying to do basic construction. I'm lost, it sounds like you're telling me to do something I'm already doing. what am I doing that's wrong?

>>3476928
are you saying that I have to be faster during construction? I don't get it

>>3477449
I guess anon wants you to construct the features as well.

>>3476920
>Portrait Doodling. Reddit gets drawn. Come chat! · 6 hours ago
dropped

>>3477449
yes? at least more mindful. did you even measure anything? it just looked like you scratched a circle down and some other lines and you were like "yeah thats construction! thanks loomis!" without knowing WHY youre supposed to do it

>>3477448
I do appreciate it, which is why I'm considering it. I have deep admiration for the human body. I went to an art school for graphic design and had to take a couple traditional drawing classes, but I never really bothered to learn more beyond those required classes. Now that I've been in my field for close to 10 years, I'm wanting to go back and learn some more traditional drawing, figure drawing in general.

>>3477442
Check this out if you have the urge to figure draw right here and now.
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en/

>>3477453
this. before you even draw someone's portrait with loomis you should be able to draw that head construction from any angle. it looks like you were just looking it up and laying down the lines as you read a book. you didn't get the head angle right or any of the other measurements. you erased and then made some harry potter lookalike. take your time on studies.

This might be a dumb question but Im not 100% sure. When you draw, do you draw with your arm/hand touching the paper to steady yourself? or is your pencil the only thing touching the paper? I've been drawing the first way forever but I think the second might be the correct form.

I'm trying to decrease my tendency to chicken scratching, any tips? I pretty much just try to draw longer lines in one go with very light pressure and when I'm confident enough, I'll outline it with harder pressure. Also how do you check the accuracy of your drawing other than people's feedback and picasso flipping method?

>>3477518
>I'm trying to decrease my tendency to chicken scratching, any tips?
use a pen.

do the peter han dynamic sketching exercises from the youtube video on it. you should be able to think of a line in your head and make that line. work on recreating the same lines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

Is this how I should start doing gesture drawings? Just starting with Hampton's book.

>>3477524
begs try too hard to emulate a particular gesture style when that kind of defeats the purpose.

if you mean is that an accurate way to do gesture - then yes. if you mean you should do exactly that - no

>>3477527
Yeah I just wanted to know if I was getting the general concept down, Hampton explains a lot of stuff that starts compounding on each concept, but he never explains just what a basic gesture drawing should look like. Thanks.

I'm enjoying this book so far so hopefully it'll help me out some.

>>3477524
look at vilppu's drawing manual too. i find hampton's method too nebulous.

also youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFP8L4OUL2E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_2rL1K1mg&t=23s

>>3477531
Thanks, I'll look at the Vilppu stuff too.
I'm enjoying Hampton's book so far, but admittedly there is some stuff that I don't quite understand, so I'll shop around and try to find what fits me best. Thanks for the videos, I'll watch them when I wake up.

>>3477524
Lacks form.

>>3477542
How should I go about fixing that?

>>3477520
Oh wow neat, my architect friend actually used to taught me that by underlining newspaper texts for guidelines a long time ago but at that time I'm not really interested in drawing and didn't know the point of doing that lol. Thanks so much dude, never thought that exercise will come back again

>>3477531
I find vilppu's teaching to be all over the place and hampton's book is more concise and straight to the point. note that i love vilppu's work and he's amazing, but when it comes to teaching he isn't really technical, he's more about feeling. And when it comes to something as tough as anatomy, I prefer a more technical approach

>>3477557
I agree, I still found Vilppu helpful for his gestures, so the first several chapters. Nothing about his construction. I found Huston to be the best of the bunch but I still went through all three books (I recommend /beg/s to do that as well, currently I'm going through Bridgman). Hampton is good until you know actual anatomy and then it's got a lot of poor approximations of bodyparts that I wish to avoid because he's inventing simplifications that are more difficult and convoluted to me than drawing the actual human construction.

>>3477549
By understanding form.

>>3472681
Is my canine anatomy decent? How can I improve?

>>3477608
There's no weight to it.

>>3477608

>>3477611

>>3477610
How does one add weight, just improving proportion so it feels like it has more weight?

>>3477614
grounding the subject aka posing it properly in space
in the weightless pic theres nothing grounding the dog. the back legs are floating. gravity doesn't seem to be effecting any of its body parts. you have to anchor it with visual cues which can be a combination of composition and form and rendering

>>3477614
Proportion has nothing to do missing gravity.

>>3477617
Thank you greatly, anon. Will do so in the future.

>>3477549
do 300 gestures with wrapping lines and youll be able to do gestures with forms without wrapping lines

>>3472686
>rendering without changing opacity or softness
sounds painful

Did some hands. I lost the ref pic when I closed incognito (naked pictures ahem ahem)
what do you guys think?

>>3477675
well done anon

>>3477685
thanks!

>>3477453
I can explain all the lines. The ellipse inside the circle is supposed to be angled along the side plane of his face. One line goes from the eyebrows to the top of the ear. One goes from the bottom of nose to bottom of ear. One line for the chin. Then another for the contour of the face and then start adding features. This is exactly the method I saw Proko use in his "drawing the head from any angle" video and I would really like to know why it isn't fucking working and why everything i do is complete shit. This is getting frustrating. I'm trying to understand this shit but I feel so fucking stupid.

Any critics on this? Just like another work I posted here, I did this exclusivelly from immagination, but unlike the other it seems a bit less stiff. Still, if anybody got ideas on how to improve it please tell me, or even better give me some red lines. Don't mind the sketched in socks, pretend they're not there

>>3477728
legs are too long
i cant understand whats going on with the upperback, its like covered with fat and no bones
the stylized
face looks nice

>>3477736
The upper back is kind of twisted in a way that makes that part of the body be from profile, what can I do to make it more clear?

I don't know what to study..reading books doesn't seem to help.Doing mindless drawings doesn't seem to improve my skills...idk guys I am losing my hope

I want to get good at drawing gestures but keep getting the proportions wrong e.g. the torso will be too short or long. Am I just too new to replicate the correct lengths or is there a specific exercise to train this?

>>3477815
>>3477821
Post work you mooks.

>>3476278
hahaha Jesus what the fuck

>>3475505
That's powerful thinking on that anon's part

I've been in that situation thinking about being better if I kept trying 2 years ago

>>3477830
What are you trying show us anon?

>>3477837
a funny small face

>>3477449
tbqh i didnt even watch the video and i just looked at your drawing. it looks like you're not using long strokes, thinking in shapes, or keeping the proportions in mind. you're still not solid on how to use the ball form as a base to build on top of, and if you can't do that then it becomes very difficult to visualize cutting into the form to create planes. seriously, go through the watts atelier drawing section and look at the heads phase 1 videos. head lay ins and skull are especially relevant to you.

>>3476278
>>3477830
i usually lay in drawings lightly with a 6B and chip into it with a 2B. you should always switch hardness once you have to press into the page for darker values, also for the ball form the middle line corresponds to the brows, not the eyes. the center line also follows the shape of the ball for the most part, but after reaching the bottom of the nose, it begins to curve in the opposite direction towards the chin.

So when I try to shade, my pencil scratches the paper a lot so in the end it looks like I was shading with a piece of charcoal. Is the pencil too hard? Do I need to flatten the edge more? Both?

am i symbol drawing?
wat do

>>3477864
Post sample.

>>3477872
Put everything on hold and study perspective instead.

>>3477885
Any recommendations/materials for that?
Something like drawing heads and hands from loomis?

>>3477895
Forget heads, hands and figure drawing you're going way back to basics https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy

>>3477873
Dude, I don't have a camera on me right now, is my description not descriptive enough? Pencil is koh-i-noor, probably H or 2H. It kinda looks like examples on 1 and 3 except messier and with more random patterns.

>>3476163
>2. You don't know how tits relate to the ribcage
Not him, but how do tits relate to the ribcage?

>>3477906
>with more random patterns.
The grain of the paper could factor into this or even table you're sitting and drawing at if you're drawing on single sheets of papers lying directly on the table surface.

As for the hardness of graphite, I personally like 2b.

>>3477906
>with more random patterns.
The grain of the paper could factor into this or your pencil could be picking up on the grain of the surface of the table you're drawing on.

As for the hardness of graphite, I personally like 2b.

>>3477335
>>3477334
I disagree with the hair and the forehead, it was from this reference, but thank you for the highlights, my values are bad.

>>3477675
i like those hands, do more hands

>>3477979
Weird, I thought the paper surface is smooth and there's several sheets of them so no contact with the desk. I'll just try another pencil I guess.

>>3477872
Don't think of your ref as "head, spine, cloth" if you don't know how each of those works. instead, study the shapes and gestures of what you're seeing in relation to one another and just draw the curves you see.
>>3478024
Get all the proportions and major shadow shapes you want to use mapped out in the sketch first so you can focus on rendering

>>3478128
I did block things in, Im working on accuracy. and tips for that digitally? I don't wanna use actual measurements because I want to be able to see them without it, flipping the canvas helps but is there anything else I should do?

>>3478159
it really doesn't look like you blocked things in from the first image you posted. the entire thing looks very muddy and there are brush strokes everywhere. you need to create shapes for your tones before you start detailing your painting. It's incredibly difficult for me to make out shapes in your portrait for the first one you posted, and that's sure to confuse you as well.

if you want accuracy, just learn some basic construction and adhere to it while drawing with the ref in mind. this way you can start creating planes and shapes of shadows with the thought of 3D forms in mind.

I know something is wrong, but I can't tell what.

>>3478190
he needs to be whiter

>>3478171
I don't have the version before that because I accidentally combined it with the line work early. I put in the local values and then the shadows under the linework. Do you have an example video? I've seen the infographics but they're not super helpful.

>>3478261
the first few seconds of this video is relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMlEI3Sq8xM
you can see just how detailed this artist gets in terms to mapping the shadows. you don't have to do it this way, but you need to make your shadow shapes in a way that's easy to understand for you and supports you through rendering rather than make it overcomplicated.

how's the anatomy/pose?

>>3478307
Unclear.

>>3478314
sorry to bother you, but I'm failing to see where exactly I failed. Something is not right to me and that's why I asked here. I have no ref to show

>>3477844
Where can I find the watts atelier videos? The official website is expensive.

>>3478412
buy them or find them on the internet like the rest of us

>>3478419
>find them on the internet
that's what he's trying to do smartass. If you don't got shit to say, just don't say anything.

>>3478412
go download the cg peers torrent or ask in in the watts thread >>3475416

>>3477872
Yes, nothing is in proportion or in the right place because you're just drawing what you think you see instead of what's actually there (look how low down the beads he's holding are in your drawing compared to the actual picture.

Your reference is way too complex to draw from for a beginner. If you can look at that as a beginner and think "I can draw that", then you're not drawing properly. Get some objects in your room in real life and practice drawing them perfectly, carefully drawing lines exactly as they are in real life. Transcribing a 3D object properly to a 2D piece of paper is extremely challenging at first. You'll know you're doing it right and no longer symbol drawing when your brain starts hurting.

>>3478128
lol

>>3476925
Alright, I got a decent program this time, and holy shit does it make a difference!

Just started with digital art a few weeks ago, what do you think? Opinions for improvement?

>>3474065

Sucky, but I'm honestly just glad I was able to sit and do it without losing patience