/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3464954
Yes, but I just started.

>>3464954
yes fuck you, i i'm gmi

>>3464954
I’m 31, quitting my job soon so I can make it

>>3464954
Yes. I'm slowly accepting it though, and transitioning into the belief that if I don't completely quit I might one day get published anywaym, as long as I keep drawing even just a little bit. Going full on recluse mode has ruined my mental health and it hasn't done enough for me in terms of a career, so I just have to get a real job while I keep on living

>>3464954
Yes. I hate it. But I think I'm right on the cusp of getting there.

>>3464985
what a horrible decision

>>3464954
I will be in a week, though making it for me is a skill level not a profession. I don't want to end up homeless when I already made it in a different field that I also like.

>>3464985
>>3465005
>/ic/ tell you to save up money so you can study and make it
>it's a horrible decision
Ten years of that anon's life wasted.

>>3465005

It the only way to make it. I'm saving up to neet for a year next year.

I looked at the time I actually get to do art and it is little.

9 to 5 boring job, 1.5 hour of travel, 8 hours of sleep. 6.5 hours a day on the weekday, 14 hours a day on the weekend.

That is 60 hours a week.

No way you can catch up with other people doing so little.

Imagine if you could work 16 hours a day for 7 days a week, that would be 112 hours a week.

Literally twice the amount of work.

I've accepted will die alone, just want to be good at art.

>>3465036
Why do you want to be good at art? What is your goal?

>>3464985

>>3465036
You can imagine doing 16 hours a day all you want, but do you even do close to 6 hours a day now? Because if you don't you sure as hell won't be doing 16 hours a day.

Also, you can easily catch up with most pros doing 6 hours a day.

>>3465052
>Also, you can easily catch up with most pros doing 6 hours a day.
Is this true or are you just imagining this with theory talk?

>>3464954
joke's on you, i'm 40

>>3465005
>>3465019
>>3465050
I saved up a $1M runway from the past 8yrs working, I’ve decided to retire. I just know I want to do something totally useless next. I’ve currently selected drawing as a top contender.

>>3465058
How to make a ton of money like you? Was it /biz/?

35 yo, living outside the US where the "making it" stupid rules don't apply at all.
Here you learn at work and don't need a degree to "make it" or to land a great job.
Us foreigners are always awestruck about how most of us don't have a degree or are high school dropouts, still we succeed.
Anyway, as long as you are willing to bust your ass off working, you're in.

>>3465058
give me 5k and ill teach you everything

>>3465058
1m in 8 years at 30? how'd you get a job making 200k/yr so early in life?

nice bait

>>3465036
>8 hours of sleep

There is your problem, faggot. Slash 2 hours off of that. Take a nap during your lunch break or some shit and lay off the MC Donald burgers.
>1.5 hour of travel
What the fuck? Relocate or get a job closer to home.
>6.5 hours a day on the weekday
Yes, you have 6 glorious hours you can squeeze during the working day. That is plenty of time and more than 90% of NEETS put in teach day. Guaranteed.

>>3465059
I work in tech

>>3465063
Frivolous spending is not a prudent way to save money

>>3465069
u must actually not have 1m if you think 5k is going to make a dent in your wallet. certainly for as old as you are, you wont even get to spend that 1m before you die.

>>3465036
>60 hours a week
>NGMI
is this a meme? did /ic/ brainwash you so much to think this? You can graduate MIT with 60 hours of school work per week. Stop pretending like drawing is some pinnacle of skill that you need ungodly amount of work to be good at. It's not rocket science, it's not theoretical physics. Fucking Terry Crews could draw (pic related) and make money from it WHILE ON A FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIP. If you can't make it with 60 hours/week then you weren't meant to make it anyway.

>>3465067
you sound like a faggot, i dont listen to faggots.

>>3465069
Tech is such a big industry. Can you be more specific?

>>3465076

Yo, back the fuck off????

>>3465066
In 2010, I was only making like 100k, but then they slap the golden handcuffs on you, and start handing out RSUs, so now my annual income is like 350 or something. It only accumulated in the last couple yrs

>>3465067
FWIW I sleep 5hrs, commute 5hrs, work 8hrs, and spend the rest on hygiene and hobbies. I save a lot of money living far away where it is cheap.

>>3465070
It’s the habits that are costly, plus I’d be robbing myself of the journey

>>3465077
Software engineer -> SWE manager

>>3465052
>but do you even do close to 6 hours a day now? Because if you don't you sure as hell won't be doing 16 hours a day.

OP has a full-time job plus 1.5hr commute. Working at a job you hate, dealing with traffic, then trying to come home and give your best to making art is a recipe for burnout and resentment

>>3465075
Graduating isn't equal to skill. You do need a lot of work to be good at drawing. It's basically rocket science, look at all the things that make it up. People can't even name all the minuscule factors. Terry had to work for a long time on it too. Did you not think so? You're just making things up at the end. Do you really think /ic/ can be wrong? It is the accumulation of all knowledge.

>>3465083
>Software engineer
I thought people said it was a meme to do this and anything STEM related. You can actually get rich? How did you manage to save up so much money? Do you like somewhere cheap too? Are you quite skilled? You must be to be able to keep going for so long. Not one of those always on the edge of their seats kind of people?

>>3465083
>plus I’d be robbing myself of the journey
you clearly have no idea what youre talking about, but ill let you die happy.

>>3465085
When did I say that it doesn't require any work? I criticized OP for claiming that he's NGMI at 60 hours of work a week, which is preposterous. Unless you're claiming that too? In which case please explain to me how drawing for 60 hours per week (240 hours per month) isn't enough to make it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASiVYLdeAaA

>>3465052

I actually do. It took some time, but I got my procrastination down to about 30 minutes a day. That is mainly at the beginning when I'm doing Peter Han drawing exercises.

The power of now really helped aswell.

>>3465067

I tried to sleep less than 8 hours, tried 7 or 6 and I'm tired as fuck when I get home.

It not enough, a student is doing a minimum of 8 hours a day.

>>3464985
>>3465036
>I need 31 hours a day to get good
If you can't get good with 2 hours a day, going for 16 won't change shit. If you've been drawing even 8 or 10 hours a week for 5+ years and haven't reached a high level, it only shows that you're approaching it wrong, or that you have learning disabilities.
It is obvious that you need to change whatever it is that you're doing to improve, but going for more hours will only enable you to do more of whatever shitty process you're already doing that's clearly not working.

I got good with 2.5 years of barely 8 hours a week on average due to my lazy ass. I have a little bit over 200 drawing attempts in total, and that's counting every single sketch or doodle or study I've ever made. That said, I spent a big deal of time trying to understand and improve every attempt I made at a full illustration, and my studies weren't some generally-applicable bullshit like pages of useless gesture studies; they were narrowed and focused on an exact thing that I wanted to learn and rarely consisted of more than 3 or 4 sketches of that thing. It was very common for me to spend over 80 hours on a single painting trying my hardest to push it over the top, even if my level of over the top was still garbage. From my average, that's about 2 months in a single illustration. I quite literally have a painting that I keep coming back to that's more than 1.5 years old, and I'm still actively finishing and pushing it.

Now on the other hand let me take some wild guesses about your process:
You do pages and pages of shitty gesture drawings, linear perspective studies, cubes, or random copies of photos.
You try to pump out as many drawings as you can as long as you think they're "good enough".
You very rarely spend more than 15 hours in a painting.
You never take time to fully scrutinize and perfect your drawings. If it doesn't look perfect you just jump to another one instead of trying to make it look as best as possible.

Don't quit your job.

>>3465101
>a student is doing a minimum of 8 hours a day.
Maybe 8 hours of kinda sorta working while checking their phone and facebook and reddit every 10 minutes. The 8 hours will also include time spent during breaks and the hour they spent getting their super awesome study playlist set up. Only during crunch times do people even begin to approach that mark, and then the 8 hours is spread out over an all-nighter because if they were efficient workers there'd be no crunch time.

>>3465105
post work

>>3465105
DING DING DING I keep saying this but nobody takes it seriously. It's like people here don't realize that drawing is a MENTAL task first and foremost. If you're a slow learner at school then you'll be a slow learner in drawing too.

>>3465117
WIP from 2 years ago that I never bothered to finish. Will still go back to it though.

>>3465084
i mean on that schedule just living in general seems like a living hell
>t. NEET

>>3465123
Felt credible until
>from 2 years ago
>never bothered to finish
>will still go back to it
>can't even post up to date work
>can't even finish work
>making empty promises as an excuse
You should be ashamed.

>>3465135
Why? If I posted it it's because I think it's one of the best ones I have to post. The reason it's a WIP is because at the time I made it I couldn't finish it no matter how much I tried. I'll go back to it again as soon as I can finish the one I'm working on now, which is the 1.5 year old WIP I mentioned earlier.

>>3465062
please tell me you mean canada.

>>3465062
Yeah, I don't get why it doesn't work like that in the US either. You can just join a company and get trained? That sounds amazing. US has all these fake certs.

>>3465137
>I think it's one of the best ones I have to post.
>animu dudes with shitty proportions
>no sense of perspective
>claims he's good

Are you a full time artist? Blog? Patreon?

>>3465160
I don't think I'm amazing or a big shot, far from that. But I do think I got to a level where I can do good looking illustrations consistently when I try which, to me, is good.
It's fine though, I'll draw something now for you. That's as recent as it gets.

Regardless though, the content of what I said is irrelevant to the 'me being good' part. More hours != better work imho.
If you're struggling to progress even though you've been doing it for a long time, I think it'd be a lot better to re-evaluate your studying process than to invest even more hours into doing what's already not working.

>>3465178
I support you all the way dude. Your attitude is the right one. You're one of the few people on this board that understands that using your brain can save you 90% of the work. I'm in a similar boat to you. I've been consistently doing 8-15 hours a week for 2 years now and I'm seeing spectacular results. I'm at a stage where I can consistently and eficiently do semi-pro level work with a lot of different themes and topics. I'm not pro just yet but I'm already making decent money from patreon and commissions (decent for me, I'm still a student so I don't need more than $1600 a month which I'm earning now).

>>3464954
OP was that pic your edit and did you make this thread just to post it?

Be honest

>>3465149
Nope, the southest country of south America.
Canada isn't bad either.

>>3465158
It's a case of reverse idiosyncrasy, having a full time job at the age of 18 is expected of you, even studying a career meanwhile.
Anyway, this can be achieved since public education is top notch and free as the air you breathe, so as elementary and high school.
Look at me, a high school dropout that has never even been enrolled in an English class and speaks three languages.

>>3465088
>meme to do this and anything STEM related. You can actually get rich?
wealth is relative - i'm probably average inside the tech bubble. STEM is a low risk high return career choice if you can tolerate the tedium.

>How did you manage to save up so much money?
i'm old, i've been saving money for almost a decade. I drive a car from 1996, i dont go out, or play games or pay for cell, cable, or any service subscriptions.

>Are you quite skilled?
I'm a below average coder at work, so they made me a manager because there are people who are way better.

>to be able to keep going for so long
I have a very high tolerance for bullshit and boring work.

>>3465075
>You can graduate MIT with 60 hours of school work per week
did you go to MIT? I went there for undergrad, it's not difficult to graduate, you just do your psets and take tests like any other uni. Agreed that drawing is no different - except that it seems like you have to whore yourself out to get paid

>>3464954
I'm 32 and happily plodding along, making good progress with this as a hobby, getting a good dopamine release from it. I'm good enough to impress normies and women, so I consider myself as pretty much having made it

>>3465391
>31 with $1M in savings
>meanwhile I'm a week from becoming a wizard, only just got a $70k/yr job with a boatload of grad school debt, and spend my time drawing anime girls and browsing a mongolian zootrope enthusiast fanzine
I'm not the guy you asked, but in retrospect MIT undergrad was easy in comparison to self-teaching. I found out in the years following that I'm apparently a useless sack of shit that can't function without external accountability.

>>3465083
Man, what are taxes like for you? 350k a year, how much of that is taken out per payroll check? If you dont mind me asking.

>it's that guy who is pretending to be a millionaire on a korean basket weaving forum
>people actually believe him
>2018

>>3464954
Me. 31 years old. Started 5 years ago. I do animation for a living. Just believe in yourself. Understand that you need to draw what you love as you're studying.

>>3465458
Thanks. Short and simple advice truly is the best.

>>3465430
>top 500 english speaking website millions of people from all over the world visit every week
>but none of those people are wealthy
You're not too bright are you? I'm not saying I believe him because why would anyone just go on the internet to tell truths but throwing anything like this into indiscriminate doubt is nonsense.

>>3464954
Yeah and I already made it.

>>3465415
what course were you? I was 6-3

>a useless sack of shit that can't function without external accountability.
i'm terrified of what will happen if I quit, but I can always just go back to work if i hate what i've become

>>3465430
>millionaire
it's really not very much, and is not unusual...

>>3465420
i get half

>>3464954
I've over thirty. I've got a good job that pays well. I don't need art to 'make it'.

I need it to fill the gaping hole in my soul.

>>3464954
I started at 28, I'm now 34 and will be unemployed in a month approx. So I hope I can make it not because of the money but because I can't for the life of me go back to the usual office job and age + circumstances are not on my side

FWIW have done around 3k on art but monetization have not been my focus, just learning and a little bit of social

>>3465515
16

20 year old trying to get into animation.
Dunno if I'll ever make it. Broken heart.
All I do is draw furry porn instead. I hate my life.
Maybe uni will help. Brit bong uni.

>>3464985

I am 30 I just want to be able to draw, drawing is not a real job, wtf, drawing is a hobby is like quitting your job to be an skater or fly model planes.

>>3465115
Let's be honest, most jobs are 2 hours of work and 6 hours of fucking around, and students don't really do work of any kind.

>>3465486

>>3465198
can you link patreon or some of your work, how did you get exposure?
I agree with you and the guy you replied to, you can get good as fast as you want so long as you set a goal and then use references and copy the workflow of the pro you are trying to emulate to meet that standard

>>3465486
I've seen you post this same fucking picture in like 6 fucking threads it's not THAT good anon it just looks like basic obs skill from an ayaya still just fuck off and actually learn how to draw

>>3464954
Here's a scary story: One day, this will be you.

Wake up go to work come home more bullshit too tired to draw


At this rate I'll reach 30 in 5 years and still won't be a working professional in the arts. There has to be some way to cut the fat and just do 1 thing at a time to get good.

>>3466592
This Is what people tell themselves when they know they won't make it.

>>3464954
That was me 4 years ago.
Then I made it.

>>3471446
>There has to be some way to cut the fat and just do 1 thing at a time to get good.

move in with parents/family, get a part-time job for expenses and contribute some to the household, and use your free time to build a solid portfolio. it's 100x harder to transition into an art career while working a full-time job, especially if the job isn't art or design related. you need time to practice as well as build your visual library. working part-time allows you to read more, visit museums/libraries, and focus on your design skills.

30 here, just started drawing properly after years of graff in my younger days. Don’t want to ‘make it’, as I can’t imagine anything worse than relying on drawing to earn a living. Just want to draw funny comics and have cool sketchbooks that will hopefully get me laid.

26. have hopes.

Just turned 33. I started taking my drawing practice more seriously last year and I've been making slow but steady progress. My short-term goal is to draw some nice fanart, and my long-term dream is to someday self-publish my own comics. Meanwhile I'm just enjoying drawing every day.

>>3464954
33 and yes. We're all gonna make it.

>>3471997
>>3474146
post

32 turn 33 next month.

>>3464954
been drawing ever since i was a kid lmaoing at the 20+ year olds trying to make it

>>3466215
>Maybe uni will help
>Britbong uni

It won't. Save your money.

>>3471508
How can I move in with patents if I never left. I tried getting a part time job for years and nobody would fucking hire me so full time it is. I can't quit it either because if I do my parents would just kick me out. Plus I am getting a promotion so more money.

I think I figured out a good structure though. It all needs to flow in a routine with minimal amount of careless drawing. I won't know if it works until 30 days from now.

>>3464954
im an 18 y/o boomer that has only drawn on and off every few months so it might as well be me

>>3471955
>>3471997
my brudas

>>3471955
>>3471997
>>3475325
Just do what you love, and keep at it, there will always be some younger, hyper talented kiddo who's parents absolutely nurtured their artistic endeavor, were rich, or whatever the case may be, just focus on yourself and your goals. God speed.

>>3464954
I will be 26 next month, I started practicing at the beginning of the year, do I have any hope?, Can I make it before I'm 30?

>>3474579
You should unironically re-evaluate your entire life just because of that descriptor you used for yourself, and not just because you don't draw enough.

>>3477271
dont think that you will be doomed at 30, you literally have time until the grim reaper comes for you. dont give up, i believe in you

>>3477271
This isn't Logan's Run, you will have plenty of time after 30 as well

>>3477271
buy yourself a coffee, find a good people watching spot, warm up by drawing 30 sec - 1 min gestures of people, extend time to ~3 minutes and keep drawing who you see. Draw from life, understand anatomy, and you'll make it in no time.

>>3464954
Richard pls.

>>3464954
ever hear of Leonardo di fucking vinci?
https://vimeo.com/84022735

>>3464954
>that 30 year old who is still trying to make it
>be honest, is this you anon?
no
because im 32.
However i started at 25 and im fine now (working on videogames/animation and even doing lewd stuff). However artist is never satisfied with his work so i will be trying to "make it" during the rest of my life.

The term "made it" was invented by simple minded /ic/ retards that have lame goals like working on a weaboo game or having 1000 likes on tumblr.

>>3477564
the dream
not a threat, just a request, would u post work/blog?

>>3477565
>would u post work/blog?
Obviously i can't. So you can proceed thinking that im troll and be fine with continue being an uncreative looser which you are.

>>3477564
show work pix plox

>>3477573
I was just curious but judging by your response you're full of shit

>>3464954
No.
I just turned 18 recently, been a NEET since 2016, and I already made it.
It was all luck. I absolutely have no idea where I would be right now if I never did anything to improve my skillz.

I'm 32 and yes OP, against both my better judgment and in the face of years of failure, it is me.

>>3477274
why?
18 is pretty fucking ancient to be bad at something

I am still in shock over my age. The artists I admire already released some legendary artworks when they were my age while I have 0 skills and experience. I dont know why but i just had no strong interest for art when i was young so i wasted my time with video games and tv. I also have no talent or drive to make up for this large gap. Actually i have trouble with focusing and am always tired which is why i dropped out of stem in college. From what i read the art world is hyper competetive and students often get only 4 hours of sleep. also social skills are crucial and i am a social retard. If anything i needed a head start. i dont see how i can hope to compete.

>>3465123
you should probably grind some fundies man, boxes, perspective, etc. Better than polishing turds for years.

>>3464954
I'm 33. I'm gonna make it because I have no option to fail. I gotta make it within a year and a half.

>>3477799
>the stack of moleskines

>>3464954
i'm 29 almost

If I could beat my procrastinating disposition and just do it, I'd say I have a chance to make it. One of the biggest problems anyone really faces, is teaching oneself how to properly study and make actual progress with it.

You don't need grind studies every waking hour to be good.

There's no minimum of time spent on a piece that makes it good.

If you study, retain what you've learned, and properly execute what you set out to do, you'll slowly build your repertoire and things will begin to click. There's no set threshold for artistic success.

When it’s the time to stop dreaming and not end up like this guy?

https://twitter.com/tygerbuggarrett/status/1008279233074900995?s=21

>>3480473
Jesus, he’s insanely bitter and blaming not being rich enough when his art looks like ‘90’s era video game cartridge or board game covers

>>3464954
that was me, 4 years ago
you become older, but never become really wiser

Recently turned 30. I'm not great but I draw little boys getting rammed in the ass. Pays well enough, so I'd say I've made it.

>>3480566
kill yourself

>>3480533
But wouldn’t you be bitter too? Imagine wasting your best productive years on an empty dream? (Seems like the guy is 40)

That’s why I feel creative careers should be followed with a healthy dose of pessimism.

>>3474579
>”18 y/o boomer”

unironically kill yourself

>>3465075

To be fair, I think he was only REALLY making money with his art when he was in the NFL. Teammates and other players would pay him something like $10k a painting I think. He talks about it on Hot Ones I believe.

>>3480566

>>3464954
nah im just 20 year old physics major fag tryin' to find a hobby other than constantly studying about quantum mechanics

>>3480660
>quantum mechanics
Your QM needs more ML

>>3465178
That last line is so true, i hope many take it as a wake up call. Obviously time spent is still important, doing nothing will get you no where after all but using whatever time you have to its fullest potential will only yield better results.

Someone with less time but a better studying process will always progress more than someone with a shitty process but loads of time.

>>3477799
Haha, looks like my room but instead of the computer and tablet there is a pile of watercolor paints, paper and brushes.

>>3464954
I turned 30 a few months ago and I guess I've made it? People are willing to give me $30 for a drawing and apparently feel it was good enough to give me an extra $5-$20 on top of that. I still don't think I'm good enough and feel bad when they do this.

>>3481283
>$30 for a drawing
you didnt make it

>>3481294
if it was a 1 hour drawing that's an ok rate

>>3481294
I guess people have different ideas of what making it is. I don't do this as a source of living and more a hobby that I can make a little extra money on while enjoying myself for a couple hours. I've been told I'm not charging enough by commissioners though.

>>3481307
>I guess people have different ideas of what making it is.
People who know that the expression means, and then people like you.

>>3481311
Man, you're sassy sally.

why does ever board have a thread discouraging people from trying that thing that the board is devoted to. also it is scary to think that when you turn 30 life is just over, there is nothing new or unique you can learn or see. you are basically a walking corpse laying down his things before stepping into a grave.

>that one 40-something who's still tryin

i still have 4 years to make it

>>3481849
You know you're going to die in 4 years?

>>3481307
>>3481319
Not to give you shit, but as the other poster implied in a sassy bitchy tone, being a hobbyist is literally not making it. If it was, everyone already had from the moment they picked up the pencil.

Starting out is not an achievement in itself.

>>3481845
Just let me dream

>>3481953
Making it is to reach your goal, everyone has different goals.

>>3481283
>$30
grats. you got a roll of toilet paper and a bag of coffee money right there.

me; 31, living by doing commission works (comics, illustration, some porn) since 3-4 years ago. Can pay my bills, my half of the rent, food, drawing supplies and some stupid shit like retro toys and games. Can't travel for vacations though :/
Am I too screwed at this point of my life?

>>3464954
Jokes on you, i am actually 40.

>>3482009
post work

>>3481849
>have you made it yet, anon-5?
>I've almost made it, I promise you; I just have to grind a little more
>anon-5, look down at your palm. You know what day it is
>anon-5 looks down toward his palm, a blinking red-black crystal singling his impending final day
>anon-5 wipes a tear stain off of his melon-shaped waifu he had been trying to draw for the past six hours.

>>3464954
I'm 31 and I've been in and out of drawing for years. I've decided to buckle down and dedicate at least an hour a day to studying art. I occasionally do analog painting, but it's mostly to further familiarize myself with working in color. I mostly draw digitally but I also do traditional analog sketching. It's also therapeutic because when I'm doing art I forget about all of my life's stresses. We'll all make it somehow.

>>3480566

I friend of mine make a living of drawing toddlercon despise he just draw about 9 years since he started draw with 30 yo. I'm not sure how he was able to draw so well starting so late.

>>3481839
I dunno, I just turned 30 this week, and I sure am feeling corpse-y

>>3482763
this post makes me feel comfy

I just started to draw because I want learn new things despise be 31 yo man. I feel bad when I see people not learning new things just because they think they are "old" and, damn, I'm even learning how code and I think I will start a CS degree in 2020.
People think they are "too old" when they actually too lazy to pursue things in life.

>>3482798
Learning new things should always be welcomed. Learning new trades it’s a whole different thing

An unexperienced man approaching his 40’s in a creative field will have a lot of troubles competing against younger prospects unless he is really really good

>>3482798
>start a CS degree 2020
I seriously hope you don't do this

>>3483405
Just let the dumbfuck waste his money/time. These dumbasses are all enticed by the silicon valley dream, not realizing they are going to compete with millions of young outsourced workers willing to work for pennies while just as capable as the average first worlders since most companies are just looking for code monkeys.

>b-but I'll create the next big hit app!
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Just like you'll be a piano prodigy after starting in your 30s competing with chinks chained to pianos since they were 6.

No, okay, I don’t get it. People say if you doodle and draw for 2 hours a day, you’ll get better. HOW? I feel no improvement doing anything art related or not at all...

All I get from any of these art threads and listening to someone who has “made it” is that all you’ll do is fail, and you’ll never succeed. Why is everyone so negative? I’m already negative enough.

>>3483421
Anons on /ic/ have admitted before to deliberately trying to discourage people just starting out in order to reduce competition.

>>3483437
any autist who would admit that isn't anywhere near making it

>>3483439
And? Doesn't change the fact that the industry is a zero sum game. Citizen's disposable income/industry positions are limited, meaning only a certain number of people will make it.

If 90% of made-it artists died suddenly tomorrow, everyone else now has a better shot. People who otherwise would've never gotten a position would now be considered due to the void. Naive retards like to believe otherwise, but the fact is the less people with a particular skillset, the more valuable that skillset becomes.

>>3483414
Don't just doodle, do studies and try to learn from skilled artists and incorporate things you like about them into your own art.

>>3483456
But what does this mean?! Studies?! I don’t understand...

>>3483462
studies
you study the subject
you redraw it and try to understand something
examples would be like old master studies, recreate their figure drawings and try to understand their technique. value study, recreate a photo/painting/drawing in grayscale to understand the values (lights and darks). theres color studies, photo studies, all kinds of studies. studies to understand form or anatomy better, or to understand something broader like color/light. absorb the information you get from the study and utilize it in future drawings

point is, don't just draw mindlessly or copy mindlessly, you won't learn anything and you wont get better.

>>3464954

Yes, if by making it you mean to draw at least ONE good drawing in my life.

>>3483471
Are there any particular anatomy study exercises that are popular?
All my "anatomy studies" usually just end up being me poorly recreating a photo I'm looking at.

>>3464954
Depends. What is making it for you? I just want to draw my waifu as cute as possible.