/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

bad thread. people who can't figure this stuff out on their own are NGMI

>>3460779
I generally agree with this sentiment. Ideally creating art should be the reward, though.
Never understood why people who seem to absolutely despise drawing don't look for another hobby. And while practicing can be exhausting, you normally practice stuff you're interested in. 'Grinding' stuff you don't care about is not just a mean to an end, it's worse, as you're not 100% there with your focus.

Also what's up with this >I need to get good in x amount of time mentality?
If you never studied, don't think about making money with your craft yet.

So yeah, I agree OP. Regarding >tips - just draw and if you hit a dead end overcome the threshold with deliberate practice. It's good that you don't beat yourself up over bad drawings. Failing isn't being unable to do something, but quitting after being unable to do something, instead of learning from ones mistakes.

>>3460796
I would love drawing if only what I made didn't look like shit

>>3460791
This
>smugnico.png

>>3460796
I do want to draw, but I have had problems sticking with it. Draw something half way decent and then get scared I'm never going to draw something as good again, and then give up on my next piece because I'm being soooo judgemental.

Being a beginner is hard because you can see how far away you are from your goal. And so until you get to the point where the work is rewarding I think it's helpful to add another reward in there.

>>3460779
I'm /beg/, and when I did one of the exercises in keys to drawing, the results were horrible and I couldn't stop paying attention to it. I ended up beating myself up really hard over it, and I haven't drawn in days.
NGMI

>>3460791
Sure, but a little help never hurt

>>3460822
I'm /beg/ too and I'm also doing Keys at the moment. Well, actually, on my second run through the tasks just because.
I always gave myself 3 attempts at each task because my first one was always, always fucking garbage.

But for the OP, I think this kind of stuff is relevant and useful. A lot of people have their own reasons why they can't start making the strides and then keeping with it - whether it's mental illness, being spoiled with instant rewards from media/videogames/etc or just self defeatism. I've wanted to be an artist ever since I was a kid, but surprisingly the biggest thing that has helped me stopping kicking myself when I'm down is removing instant reward mechanism things from my life (for example ic is now the only 4chan board I allow myself) and to actually listen to the countless people who say hard work trumps all.
The more I try, the mildly better I get, the happier I am that improvement is visible, and thus the more I draw. Absolutely nothing wrong with starting small and working upwards, because more often than not trying to go all in immediately to begin with will just end up in failure.

>>3460826
I have found that it's helpful to leave my phone in a different room until I have accomplished something.

>>3460791
How is this bad? OP just wants to help

>>3460779
> If you are struggling to draw ANYTHING then this all or nothing mentality is going to hold you back.

In my case it was lack of skill.
Watching first vid on proko figure class (I think) made me realise I cant even draw a fucking cube which was a rabbit hole for me that drew me into drawing and made me realise that its not about talent or practice its about perspective first and then anatomy and then I dont know because I still at the anatomy level and yet.
What was holding me back was lack of very basic skills also called FUNDIES.
After that, once I started learning from vids and such I realised that what is holding me back is lack of time to learn and practice.

My drawings are improving literally from drawing to drawing considering I draw a doodle once a month and somehow, after reading a tutorial I can see my drawing getting better and realise that "Just doodle" meme advice everyone gave you since you were kid, was the ultimate time waster and those people who gave you such advice should be shot because they waste your time with their lack of knowledge but will to waggle their tongue.

I am also drunk so my ability to express myself is somewhat inhibited
If this spoiler dont work, why the fuck do they have ctrl+s on boards where it doesnt workl

>>3460826
The times I do an exercise and end up with what I think is an OK result, I put it away, and every time I look at it again I just see all flaws. I'm a master at killing the joy in whatever I pick up.
If only I could have the same outlook as you.

>>3460779
>draw for 10 minutes! time to reward myself with a tv show!
lmaooooooo

>>3460896
A) that was an example B) if you actually watched the videos I linked to you would have learned that it's basically just a trick to get yourself to do more than 10 minutes.

If you are having a low day where everything feels like too much work then it will be difficult to convince yourself to pick up a pencil to draw for an hour, because it feels like a lot. But if you lower the bar to 10 minutes then you can get over the picking up a pencil hurdle much more easily - which is actually the hardest part.

It also helps you turn drawing into a habit faster if you practice every day, even if some days you only do 10 minutes.

>>3460893
It's okay to see flaws in your work. If you couldn't see the flaws then you wouldn't be able to improve.

If you want to be more positive about your work overall then you need to practice being positive. Fake it till you make it.

I'm terrible at nitpicking my work and forcing myself to find something good has helped my motivation to draw SO MUCH. It won't hurt you to give it a try.

>>3460779
>>3460823
>>3460883
you're right. i'm sorry. it's just that struggling with this stuff seems a bit petty and makes it obvious that you aren't prepared for the more serious struggles of art and probably need to spend some serious time committing yourself to self-improvement. y'know the whole teach a man to fish thing.

>>3460779
12 hours isn't meant to be taken literally.

>>3460791
>people who can't figure this stuff out on their own are NGMI
pretty much this.

>>3461922
How is it petty to struggle with something?

>>3461939
So it's supposed to be taken figuratively then?

>>3460779
thanks for writing this OP, the posted resources are great as well.

>>3460791
If you don't invent your own art techniques you're ngmi

>>3462142
because it's easy shit that everybody should be able to figure out
>>3463292
this is not an art technique, it's your approach to art. that's not something that should be handed to you.

>>3463311
wow, you've never struggled with art, ever? post work

I have a kinda similar, kinda different issue.

I have build a satisfying enough (for now at least) skill, I have good tools, time and even some motivation. But I just lack the creativity.
I used to draw a lot of stuff just for myself, it was unoriginal and hackneyed, but it wasn't on someone else's cue like the stuff I've been doing for the past few years. Is this the mythical burnout? It feels like I've been doing paid work for so long I just can no longer tell what appeals to me personally. All I can muster is studies, but what's the point of studying if I'm not gonna use the knowledge for myself?

Even Making It still sucks

>>3463353
Just draw whatever. Look at artists you like or friends that do art and try out their techniques/tricks/styles. Go outside and draw some view or place you like. Draw some characters from film or a book you like. Don't expect anything that is good, just draw for the sake of drawing and after a while you'll get a feeling what is fun for you and different ideas you had will eventually brew something refreshing. You need some space to explore, not push yourself right away to be super creative.

OP if you're still here, thank you for that series

I have a question. Can I use an android tablet for drawing?

>>3463929
Np! They really clicked with me in a way that nothing else has, so I wanted to spread it around, hopefully help more people.

Can art quality be based on where your from?
Are japanese people just naturally good at art and can a Brit bong ever make it? Or is it all one big meme?

Why is this board so obsessed with anime, and Japanese art? There are so many mediums out there if you want to "make it" but most people here seem to focus on Japan

>>3464017
Because it's an anime enthusiast website.

Let the retards rot in their beginner's bullshit work LOL. Let them spend time looking at art stations instead of working on their work.

>>3460817
>Being a beginner is hard because you can see how far away you are from your goal.

This. Being an adult beginner is even worse. When you start as a child you don't even understand your mistakes, let alone see them. And you have no idea how far you have to become a truly skilled artist. You don't know or understand how far up that ceiling is. As in adult you see that ceiling. You see how far you have to go and know that there's 10 years of self judgment between where you are and the artist you want to be. Shit sucks. The only thing that keeps me going is knowing that progression is inevitable.

>>3464017
Dude, this is 4chan, what did you expect?

It's crazy when I think about it but I have been visiting this place for 7 years already wishing I could draw but always getting discouraged by how long it takes and having no idea how to start.

There are 3 things that are holding me back:

1) Uncertainty: If someone gave me a big book with tons of exercises and clear explanations and assured that if I follow the book _I WILL_ get good I think I would be more motivated. But right now there are many different books and it's still not clear to me which I start with first and how exactly I should progress through it. So an exercise tells me to draw my shoes. How good do I need to draw these shoes before I move on? When can I move on to the next exercise? I think drawing classes might be a better idea...

2) Lack of reward: I have these high goals that even with discipline and talent would take years to reach. Meanwhile the road to there is with no rewards at all. I don't enjoy copying something from life. I don't enjoy drawing geometric objects. I don't enjoy drawing from imagination if the drawing looks like nothing that I am picturing in my mind. Artificial self-imposed rewards never worked for me because I know I can get these rewards at any time.

3) Impatience: I think I always had this problem but the older I get the worse it gets when others my age are already successful artists making amazing works while I am struggling to draw a fucking cube. I start to get frustrated and lose focus and then counterproductively distract myself from the unpleasant feelings by not drawing. I have no idea how others manage to start drawing late in life.

>>3460779
>I have had enough of you people and your "if you don't draw for 12 hours a day your ngmi" crap. If you are struggling to draw ANYTHING then this all or nothing mentality is going to hold you back.

You just proved our point, though. If you're struggling to draw ANYTHING, then obviously you're not going to make it. Why would you even want to "make it" as a professional artist if you're struggling to draw anything at all?

Dumb post. You're not cut out to do art professionally. But if you have to force yourself to draw and you still struggle, you don't even like drawing, so who cares?

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>>3460779
>Think about how you will feel after you have drawn something vs how you will feel if you do not.
See this one always gets me. I can't remember the last time I got any kind of positive chemical feedback from finishing a work of art.

>>3466711
Not everyone wants to make it, this is a hobby for me. But it's still discouraging to see people say "ngmi" all the damn time. You guys are so toxic.

>>3468147
Take a step back, cut of this board and just have fun drawing stuff you like with people that share your interest then.