/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3458403
>>3458367
>>3458347
They's good boys, they deserve some abuse.

>>3458435
What does this mean?

>>3458460
probably critique

Ahhhh fuck I just tried the keys to drawing exercise that has you drawing a vase of flowers. I tried but it looks so fucking shit, what the fuck. The example picture is so intimidating :(

how can i improve my shaders skills? if you want, use this draw of mine to show what improves can i make.

>>3458434
I appreciate the sentiment thanks. I'll focus on 30-45 ones.
>>3458435
Sure

>>3458425
New to the thread, but why is drawabox considered controversial?

Any good videos or explanations for drawing at angles where you can see the underside of the chin?

>>3458508
look at yourself in the mirror and use critical thinking skills

I need some pointers on reverse engineering art. Whats the correct way to attempt replicating the faces drawn by another artist, for example?

>>3458525
DELETE THIS

>>3458525
Why even bother replying with such useless rhetoric? We all want our learning to be easier, and more general otherwise we wouldn't be here. I also have a beard, which doesn't help.

dunno if beg enough to post in /beg/

feedback on these boodies?

Feedback on this please.

>>3458542
Is she walking or leaning against a wall?

>>3458547
Leaning against the candy cane in pink,

>>3458537
its how i learned. i stopped using guides/videos/tuts

>>3458568
cool. :)

>>3458481
Keep it simple, rough out the shape and then go in for detail. Don't overthink it

Starting Bridgman and it's a lot of fun. However I'm not sure why people recommend it first off if you have no experience with anatomy whatsoever. I can see why people think it's a meme but it's a surprisingly fresh take from the more stuffy accurate take I've had on anatomy and construction so far.

>>3458424
I keep choosing copy paper over sketch pad paper. Are there any types of professional paper types with a similar texture to copy paper? I think the way copy paper feels and accepts the pencil is what's appealing to me, but I know how low quality regular old paper is.

>>3458553
ffs

Is just redrawing cool anime frames a good way to practice for beginners?

>>3458676
>>3458678
Just make sure you do more than just eyeballing the picture when referencing

I regressed bad so I'm trying to relearn all the shit I forgot

(Can you even tell who it's supposed to be?)

>>3458756
Some party poppers on a green screen?

>>3458756
There's nothing in this image idk what you mean

>>3458635
You ruined her expression.
Slight smirk looking up at someone vs whatever that is looking down, even though everyone is taller than her, so she's just staring off into space.

Hey this is my first time on this board I really want to get into creating digital art and designs. Can anyone recommend a good program for this kind of thing? End goal would be creating images like pic related.
Any help and advice is greatly appreciated!

>>3458794
Clip Studio Paint.

>>3458795
Cheers! Is that useful to create images like this?

Feedback?

>>3458801
Pls*

>>3458798
For that it would be, for pixel art you want something like Aseprite (free if you compile it yourself but only around $15) or Graphicsgale which is freeware now. Both work very well there and for animation. Krita is also an option as I know some people do pixel work with it along with being good for animating while still free.

>>3458424
So I'm new to this whole painting thing and I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing. I'm kind of slowly going through figure drawing for all it's worth, but I'm still shit. Anyway, I made this god damned degenerate meme, so pardon how stupid of a meme it is, but can I get some constructive criticism on it? It's probably the least shitty thing I've drawn/painted so far. Thanks.

Drapery Study, I zoom out and get the big blocks of value and have been zooming in slowly.

Feedback please.

Been drawing for about a month now trying to improve, here is a beard man

>>3458966
You went to the soft brush too quick. Map out the shadows, place the shadows, then refine with lighter values. Deepest shadows aren't dark enough either.

>>3458978
The soft brush is an opinion, Im working from ctrlpaint for the process. Thank you on the shadows though, here is the progress.

>>3458983
>The soft brush is an opinion
It's not. You need hard edges otherwise you end up with a blurry mess. You'll have to go back and use a hard brush anyway. Eventually you'll use a more opaque and harder brush to lay things in instead of blending so quickly.

>>3458993
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/sketching-value

>I Switch between hard and soft brushes

Sounds like a solid plan to me, so that's what I'm doing.

>>3458756
There's no one in that picture... did you post the wrong one?

>>3458676
>>3458678
Maybe in the first 10 hours of your drawing career
Pick a scene you like and attempt to draw it from a different angle instead

>>3458801
standing with your legs like that isnt natural at all, stretch those knees through
whyd you give her wrinkles at her armpit and cheekbones, indicate that kinda stuff with shading if youre gonna shade afterwards anyways
something something shoulder and hip tilt in opposite directions
left upper arm too long, and hold your hand like that yourself and look at what your elbow crease does, its not an overlap but a squeeze

>>3458963
go over it again with a 0% hardness brush

>>3459107
actually nevermind the hip tilt thing

>>3458537
>asked for help
>someone gives help
>bashes someone for giving help
Logic?

>>3458676
>>3458678
Stop using grid paper

>>3459112
read the post again, there were clearly two specific things asked for and none of them were given. looking in the mirror and using critical thinking could be used for all head and figure proportions and perspective drawing. but that is long.

>>3459127
>"Anybody know a place or online shop to buy this brand of pen?"
>"Oh hey I've got a bunch of these, want me to ship you some?"
>"I clearly asked for a place to buy them, locally or online, why even bother replying in the first place when you can't give an answer?"

>>3459166
It's more like telling me to draw with my blood instead. But sure.

>>3459173
The pen analogy is just flawed to begin with so don't bother taking this too seriously.

But I can't even see my chin in the mirror so regardless it's of no use to me.

>>3458424
Critique?

>>3459255
>anon-kun
Degeneracy for the /v/ drawthread I assume? Learn your fundamentals. Read the sticky.

Sorry if this has been asked a billion times, but what Loomis book do you guys started with? Successful Drawing, Fun with a Pencil? I'm doing some other books right now but I want to do Loomis too soon

>>3459292
See which one clicks with you. Just try them.

I tried fun with pencil and didn't like it, but I like keys and drawing the head and hands.

may i have some critique on this please? i dont know what to move on to or anything

>>3459255
You've got the right idea so practice more.

Hey /beg/, has anyone watched any of krenz's coloring lectures on gumroad?

I posted a ctrlpaint exercise a few days ago and ended up with some helpful advice, so here's a second attempt. I feel a bit more confident now, but I still don't feel like I "get" digital painting, so any crit would be appreciated.

>>3459365
You seem to be winging/ignoring your ears if that helps.

>>3458756
Is it john cena?

>>3459255

>>3459392
Ears are a def thing i need to look at more thanks

Tried to draw my own hand for the first time
I really like the size of the thumb

Trying perspective stuff
Thoughts so far? Have the most trouble when trying to foreshorten arms among other things. I'd love a redline if possible.

>>3458541
you can leave beg

>>3459486

>>3458541
top one looks good, but it looks traced everything else looks shit.

>>3459292
Fun with a Pencil is his "beginner" book but I wouldn't recommend it at all as you go from really dated cartoons to full on Loomis construction with no ramp up. Keys To Drawing, Huston's Figure Drawing, Hampton's Figure Drawing. The other Loomis books are much higher level, you probably want Drawing the Head and Hands or Figure Drawing to be your first Loomis book after getting some experience.

>>3459392
Seems fine. Now do some more challenging things. Only thing I can really say even though it's a basic study is to push values a bit more and retain some hard edges. Try to give each block of value one hard edge, you don't have to blend everything. This isn't a rule to follow for everything, just experiment.

i got really really fucked up yesterday and drew this when out with friends on a job party. i really don't know what to feel about it so i ask you. should i expand on it?. i kind of like it.

"here study these schematics of julius ceasear's butthole until it's ingrained in your brain"

>>3459687
Aren't you meant to draw them with exact measurements?

>>3459406
This is Nsio theorycrafting, but it does explain away a lot of the magic of drawing.

Help, how do I draw heels.

>>3459687
Well, do it again correctly this time. Because not a single eye is even close.

>>3459507
nigga are you being serious or what

>>3459644
It's an amateurish doodle, there's nothing wrong with that though. Draw regularly if you want to improve at it.

>>3459765
He's a filthy lefty, let him be

>>3459720
Not that guy but I don't think so? I've read the introduction to the Bargue book and there's no exact method. You're supposed to get them as close as you can but that's it. Besides, how the hell would measuring shit with a ruler ever help you draw well on your own. At that point you might as well trace over them

Hi /ic/, what do you think? I need some criticism.

>>3459789
my bad, here's the resized image.

>>3459782
You autistically measure every length and angle so you gain a better sense without measurements. You can't learn a skill if you halfassedly repeat the motions with no feedback

first two attempts at graffiti.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vnFdYksnqo

how did I do?

>>3459605
wasn't traced, but it was a copy from this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scR4fIseBv8

personally thought left bottom looked pretty cool, like it has a weird metalish texture.

is there a discord for beginners?

>>3459802
Yeah, all they do is talk and don't draw though. Always lazy.

>>3459782
Not really what I meant. You can tell he was just copying them as he saw them and not trying to get as close as possible. At least, that's what it looks like to me, he doesn't have the + and they all look off, as highlighted by the other anon.

I didn't mean measuring with a ruler, but measuring by using contours to determine other contour potions and so on. You know, the basics of drawing.

>>3459793
meant to spell friendo.

im retarded

enjoying bridgman's shapes and line choices, sketching through some of the early part of the book before work. no problem with the height proportions but he likes his men a little too thick for me

>>3459796
It doesn't look metal, its looks like you put some blue on a ass. And the fact that you copied it disappoints me anon

I build and paint lots of model airplanes, I'm currently doing a WW1 plane with exposed wood paneling, and everyone recommends doing that with oil paints. I got some canvas paper to practice on and had a lot of fun, so I decided to try to paint something as well.

I only have Burnt Sienna, Yellow Ochre, and a White.

I'm looking through the beginner resources right now, but I'd love to hear feedback on my first little painting. I really like seeing brush strokes in oil paintings myself

I don't really know what kind of feedback I'm looking for, just wanted to share and hear what others thought I guess.

Self portrait

>>3459603
>stop doing photo studies
Lmfao what?

>>3458631
Plate finish bristol. Most drawing paper has a slight tooth to it to grab graphite or charcoal. There are smooth drawing papers out there, but plate bristol will be the closest to the finish of copy paper.

>>3458801
As a beginner drawing, it's fine. You'll need more of the basics, like learning how to draw contour, capture a pose more accurately, draw proportions more accurately, anatomy more accurately, etc. It's a good starting point, better than many attempts posted here. Keep going. If you're working from reference, look at what's actually there, not what you think is there - which is called symbol drawing.

>>3459741
By studying them.

>>3459933
There's not really any useful feedback to give, unless we know your intent. Are you going to study painting seriously? If so, then start at the beginning like everyone else, and start learning the basics of form, color, and value, and go from there.
Work by absolute beginners is really hard to give a serious critique to, so just keep going. You're at 0 - come back at 1, and we'll take a look.

>>3459960
Sounds good. It's probably something I'll devote an hour or two a day to and see where I end up. Working on my drawing first is probably really helpful

>>3459392
I think you're on the right track, just keep refining the form and start giving the object more texture and form. Art can be a process of focusing in - you start blocky and blurry, and keep refining it until it comes into focus. Start looking at how to render texture, and also color.
There's nothing here that is a red flag for going in the wrong direction - keep going! Take the next step of refinement. It's the same thing, digital or actual painting.

>>3459486
>>3459603
Thanks, I worked on it a bit more.

>>3459938
How can I fix the face?

>>3460010
It's clearly a perfect likeness from what I can see from the reference.

Coloring and anatomy?

>>3460030
Like it a lot but the simple shadows in the smoke vs the complex shadows in the figure look a bit contradictory to each other and the arm/shoulder don't connect properly. Still looks good.

>>3460010
You are symbol drawing, read the beginner books

At what point do you stop worrying about mistakes so much and power through drawings?

>>3460082
When you realize you need to.

>>3459938
>>3460010
Must be Australian.

>>3460030
Kinda looks like the smoke is coming out of his cigarette instead of the mouth

>>3460049
Not him but...
Can you explain what "symbol drawing" is?

>>3458508

either the Watts drawing videos and Vilppu drawing manual has an episode about that. Might be drawing a figure from life from that angle. Actually Vilppu goes over the neck and jaw and chin anatomy, which is important. Sorry I can't remember better.

Some notes:

- might want to continue the sternocleidomastoid to the collar bones (actually draw these) rather than implying them as you do in the bottom left (and nowhere else)

- maybe use a model based more closely on the shape of the jaw bone

In addition to constructing your shape from different angles, incorporating the relevant anatomy will make it more convincing.

>>3409937
>>3459483
>>3459496

Can someone crit these (regarding shading techniques especially?), i gave her a massive chin + made her look like a man so that's great

Hi, can anyone convince me or dissuade me from buying a screen tablet? I've never used one, like one of those Huion ones or an Ipad. Could someone give me their opinion? I've used the regular kind the last 5 years.

Thanks

hep me

>>3460101

I'm gonna go on an autism spree and point out that SYMBOL DRAWING IS A REALLY VAGUE TERM AND IT'S BEING USED INCORRECTLY TO REFER TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS (coincidentally so is "autism" but that's a whole different argument)

when somebody screams "symbol drawing" in /beg/ they actually mean

>you are defining contours in 2D space which contradict the actual forms

you can define shit in 2D space all day and make it conducive to your drawing. one example of this is line weight. another is stylized drawings.

in a more esoteric sense, every time you draw from imagination you are in fact SYMBOL DRAWING because you are using a construction which is a simplification of the actual form so what's stored in your head is a SYMBOL

the issue is when you're a beginner you store buttfucking retarded symbols like this Eye of Providence shit, or the smiley face shit, or the stick figure shit, in the case of

>>3459938

referring specifically to the eye folds and nose and lip contours although he does pay attention to the light (evinced by the fact that the weird eyeliner shadows are not symmetrical) there shouldn't be contours in the shadowed half of the nose. in this sense the artist is drawing what his brain knows to be there (defining the side of the nose) which CONTRADICTS the truth of light hitting that part of the nose (the whole surface would be in shadow making the lines erroneous)

so in this instance the symbol drawing (of the nose) is "wrong" but that's because he didn't know any good symbols. the bony part near the eyes is all wrong.

I blame that fucking sticky for making it such a buzzword! the pictures are fine examples of what to avoid but saying "symbol drawing!111" is only sort of productive.

tl;dr you: read the sticky
tl;dr everyone else: if you're gonna do a low effort critique tell people to read the sticky instead of telling them to stop symbol drawing

>>3460145
all this autism when you could have literally linked >>3458425

there is a fucking reason thats there

>>3460049
>>3460149

thats what i jus fuckin said nerd fite me irl

Not much but im happy with the forms.

>>3460144
What you're pointing at is the obliques. notice it colored in blue here

>>3460030
>anatomy
you invented it all and it's wrong

>>3460030
should move that arm up, pronounced deltoids arent visible because the arm is so low but because the deltoid itself bulges
for further reference, stretch out your arm like that and compare the elbow height to your nipples, its not on the same level

>>3460309

>>3458424
just started learning to draw and yes i saw the sticky, went to the sticky and fucked the sticky but it didn't give me its number after the date. What book should i read first (key to drawing or the natural way to draw). also what does keys teach you

>>3460338
keys

>>3460345
i keep hearing about it being really good. why is that

>>3460356
Read it and find out.

>>3460356
it teaches you not to do what the second post's image tells you not to do

how do i make drawabox or perspective in general more enjoyable to learn

>>3459687
Slow down with these, the point of bargue plates is to obsessively focus on the angles and lengths of the lines and their relation to the other lines to train your eye to be more sensitive and accurate.

>>3460214
i know the name but i dunno what parts are the obligues and what is the other shite

heres a different angle now tell me how to improve

>>3460606
read the sticky

>>3460607
something specific pertains to my drawing

>>3460609
>fuck you /ic/
No, fuck you. Next time ask nicely. Also every answer you seek is in the sticky, unironically.

>>3460616
pls give critique on this >>3460606
/ic/

>>3460632
These are some mistakes
>symbol drawing on eyes and other parts of the human head
>no line weight or variation (It looks flat)
>the skull is deformed (the skull profile is not just a straight line but more curved)
>the hair is messy
>no shading (But thats ok for the moment)

>>3460130
Rendered some more soz for the spammmm

>>3460648
oh i wasnt entirely sure how the head was supposed to be curved and rotating it a shit ton of times didnt really help either. the eyes have been giving me a little trouble though. will fix these later and proceed! thanks anon. i will improve my attitude and manners next

>>3460399
get good at it

>>3460755
>to learn

How do i draw a perfect square in perspective. i feel like drawing a rectangular box all the time.

>>3460767
Start drawing two of the lines of the middle corner, then just keep redrawing the third one until it gives you a cube
Every pair of two lines with an angle greater than 90° between them has exactly one perfect third line that turns the two lines into the inner corner of a cube, seeing that line is a skill that you just have to grind until you get it
Alternatively compare different pairs of two lines' perfect third line to each other and figure out the formula for calculating the length and angle of the third line

>>3460399
scott robertson how to draw and learning construction of things you're interested in drawing. i don't find draw a box by itself useful, you won't realize how important being able to draw those things are until you're a bit deeper into drawing.

>>3460767
>perfect
literally impossible

I tried drawing this shot from Legion. How do I draw small faces accurately? How do I not suck so bad at this? Should I keep trying?

>>3460870

hey friends
so I just took a reference, did some construction for it, copied most the linework but wasn't too worried about it looking exact as I was mostly worried about figuring out how to paint.
I'm only half way through the base layer of colour, but I'm using watercolour brushes so I'm thinking that I'm gonna blend what colour I've put down and then work on values (hence why my colouring looks real fucking lazy right now). Would this work? I'm doing this entirely to experiment and figure shit out, so I am next to entirely clueless, but my figuring was: base colour, blended - values on top, then blended again - then detailed colour on top of all of that. I sort've have it in my head where I want the detailed colour (for example darker yellow in the hair to try create the mass, I want the pants to be a yellow/orange, and then more detailed orange over top, etc), and a generalized idea of my lighting so I sort've know where I'm going with this... but I am still very new to colour. Its kind of obvious I tried to add value in with my base colours, which I wonder is a mistake or not. Also, I'm definitely getting around to fixing that hand and the legs lol.

Any help appreciated.

My first time working with ink, this was made a while ago, now I only do sketches from my mind instead of remaking other art

IT'S ALWAYS THE JAW THAT FUCKS ME UP WHEN I'M DRAWING HEADS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>3460767
drawabox.com

>>3460897
/pol/ has the same problem.

Redrawing this area

I did more then this today, don't shit up the thread more tho

>>3460881
so i tried to blend a little using a different brush that has blend in the name but I actually think that brush doesn't do what I think it does. also turns out my wacom drivers have crashed, AGAIN, so I had no pressure sens while doing this which kind of annoys me as I didn't get to find out how exactly that brush works.
It does look a little tidier though than before

am I alone in wacom drivers just shitting the bed every few days?

First time posting, please critique :)

Any critique? Does anyone know how to make sure the paper doesn't show through the values? I even tried using a paper stub and the white still shows through.

>>3460996
read sticky and this >>3458425

>>3460997
These actually look like they're done with some feel for the form, good job anon

>>3461032
thanks anon
these all of from reference tho, so any form you see is Loomis's

>>3461016
there's a lot of little things to say aside from "muh style". the right leg is incredibly short and doesn't look like you've done any foreshortening, the left leg is also weirdly proportion. the blue/green cast of lighting isn't appealing with the rest of the colors you've got and it's applied inconsistently across the figure. the left arm/shoulder comes out of nowhere and the left hand anatomy isn't good, just looks like a fat blob. making her more reclined would look more dynamic, also holding your arm at that angle while being sat that upright is incredibly uncomfortable. it looks like she has some kind of white 5 o'clock shadow with the highlights you've given her, the stroke on the nose is very thick and i don't care for it especially with how high it goes up the brow. around her hairline should be a softer blend between skin and hair instead of a block of hair. i don't like how her eyebrows are halfway up her forehead.

>>3460607
>>3460616
>>3460648
stop FUCKING replying for FUCKS SAKE

>>3459392 here, just did my first full colour study. Crit is welcome.

>>3461022
Not sure about the paper, but your shadow isn't following your form, making it feel like your guy has the darkest part of his face sliced off.

>>3461063
Here's the ref.

>>3461063
You lost some important curves. Like the left part of the indigo and the top part of the dark yellow.

>>3460606
yikes

>>3460881
You should flat with opaque colors or do an underpainting first that accentuates the values. You're not really going to get anything but mud if you try to put values in with the watercolor brush. You need to study color too because you're not really painting with a unified palette. I can't think of another way to describe it than "symbol coloring" but you're painting with colors you think things should be but not taking into account perception of the color or lighting. Not sure what the reference is. I would recommend working in greyscale or thumbing out some value studies before you choose the values you want to place on the character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJf4e5kAKWg#t=2m50s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQllLy_X4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhcNbFMkTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZNZ7ln1Z90

>>3461201
Thank you very much for the reply! I actually ditched the reference the second I went to colours as I wanted to try the colouring myself. This is probably the 10th image I've actually tried to use colour with, so yeah, I know very very little.
Much appreciated! Especially for the links!

>>3461037
>>3460997
Too much Loomis

Can we do animation here?

>>3461549
I have no idea how dead the animation thread is, but I'd suggest lowering the amount of loops you do with the beginning animation to 2-3. 5 is way too much and I closed out early because I thought that was all there was.

>>3461043
>>3461104
mad. its okay youll accept defeat sooner or later

how accurate is this?

I tried drawing a cat for a Keys to Drawing exercise. It has black fur so I got lazy and just used black paper

>>3461577
How are you learning anatomy? You're half right in some places but then quite wrong in other places. And your shapes don't really add correspond to what's underneath along with completely missing things.

>>3461641
this

>>3461570
it seems as if you've been defeated for about three years now bud

It's a lot more fun doing these timed gesture drawings with large newsprint and charcoal. I followed the anon's advice from the last attempt I posted >>3448589 I tried to draw looser and messier. I think now I understand what they meant when they said to "FEEL the pose".

My drawings definitely aren't as stiff as a brick this time. I hope if I do this a few times a week I'll get better. I just had to find the right medium for me.

(I hate how even though I choose both male and female models for the line of action website, I only got female models!)

>>3461643
That explains a lot. I'd recommend Scott Eaton's anatomy course the most because it also has ecorche assignments. For book reference, you have Richer, Elliot Goldfinger, Bammes, Peck Atlas of Human Anatomy, and Anatomy for Sculptors by Zarins among many others. Pick some and read through them. There are many layers of muscles on the back that that image is lacking in.

>>3461655
i dont wanna learn every shitty little muscle, just the big important parts so i can make sexy backs

>>3461658
I'm not telling you to learn every piece of muscle you lazy piece of shit. Sometimes you have to know those muscles to know what form they make on the surface. Read Hampton's figure book to see which volumes to emphasize if you want to take shortcuts. The lats are one of the biggest muscles in your body but it's an incredibly thin sheet that you can see the forms of others underneath. The iliocostalis is another muscle you want to pack with the spinal erectors which go under the tail of the trapezius. You also get the lats going over the serratus as well.

why i suck so much guys? i dont understand, i know i should read a book, but which one?

How do I make it look less amateur?My work has no appeal.

>>3461669
You need to read like 10 books man

>>3461681
give me all 10 books now

>>3461669
Keys or Right Side.

>>3461685
do you have a link to those books?

>>3461644
suurre :)

>>3461701
lmaooooo

>>3461707
is your inability to substantiate your shit talking the thing you find funny here?

>>3461693
Artbook thread. Beginner Essentials link

>>3461727
thanks anon

this might not be the right place to ask, but does anyone know of any top notch digital painting tutorials/lessons?
Trying to get into it but i feel like i keep running into a wall.

>>3461747
Ctrl+Paint is very clean and cut. He's got a ton of resources, very cheap too. Covers a lot of things from drawing, painting and color too.

>>3461669
This is really cute and endearing, I believe in you anon~

>Spend 30 mins placing everything before I start rendering.
>Oh hey this looks ok

>>3461802
>Get up from chair to go to the bathroom
>Realize it's all wrong because I was lazily sitting in my chair and was looking at my drawing at a huge angle
kill me pls

This is my max skill at the moment without any reference.

>>3459796
crabs said i traced 2 times when i posted work take it as a compliment and for ur mental health best i can suggest is lurk /ic/ because its full of toxic people

>>3461804
>without any reference
why? why hold yourself back from finding a reference now and making it even better?

>>3461827
Looks traced or is it just me

>>3461830
So he doesn't become this

>>3461830
Of course I do referenced studies, but it's also obvious to do pure imagination once in a while. It'd be a hassle to need to find a reference or pose for every idea that pops into your head. And you never know how reliant you are on something until you don't have it.

>>3461852
But if something isn't right you should go find a reference to fix it. Drawing from imagination is pointless if you leave it wrong, this is where you actually learn from it by making it better then your memory can by reminding yourself with reference.

>>3461862
What I drew is simply a culmination of knowledge that I currently have. This is the best approximation of my skill for the kind of product I want to be able to create in the way I want to create. I mostly drew this to look back on in the future, not as something to polish to perfection.
I always hated the progress pictures where someone's imagination is compared to a recent photo study which have vastly different skills required.

>>3461837
But Proko didn't use a reference and he created this monstrosity. If he had used a reference a few times he would actually know what a Kangaroo looked like

>>3461891
You missed that the point of that livestream was to give tips on drawing from imagination, whilst coming from a guy that's gone through the western traditional art school indoctrination that you shouldn't even attempt to draw anything without a reference in front of you. And the kangaroo is the result.

Is it normal to get upset when a drawing comes out really awful?

>>3461977
is it normal to ask stupid questions?

I fucking hate drawing. Why do I keep trying when there's no point in this stupid fucking bullshit? Everything I draw is shit and I can never get good so there's no fucking reason for any of this

I want to die :(

>>3458488
I'm too clueless to help you, but I just wanted to say that this is cool as hell.

>>3460606
use clean lines
do bargue plates
seriously, its what you have needed for ages now

alright i consulted loomis and completely redid it. how is this one looking now? im going grayscale it if the sketch checks out.

>>3462067
aw shit too bad i was working on this when you posted that

>>3462190
stop using digital, you need to work with paper first.
Learn the properties and techniques you can utilise with graphite, then move to a more complex tool.

When drawing lines on paper have your pencil basically horizontal, only like 15 degrees angled. The lines you create will be broader and less defined. This is good because it won't take much to erase them when you need to.

Draw a face every day for 365 days. Of course have a week break here or there but no more than 3 in the total year. Sometimes its good to not draw for a couple days, especially after absorbing a lot of info and practicing it.

>>3462191
dont post one of your faces or landscapes again until you can show us at least one bargue plate

>>3459603
this is shit advice.
>>3459644
Don't show anyone your drawings unless they ask (or its your mom), its attention seeking, especially when you're not good.

>>3459790
Practice line confidence, It'll improve your work in just a general cleanliness way -make it seem more professional.

>>3459938
Don't use a grid, it is a waste of time. Unless you wanna be one of those people that can render really well but can't actually draw without the biggest crutch in the world.

>>3460005
I like this, good balance between brush stokes and blend. Make sure your initial sketch is accurate. The bottom line of her right eye is the same height as the middle of her left eye (almost). Also your pupil/ cornea/coloured section/ whatever are facing different directions.
-Did you have difficulty with the right eye? Use any selection tools? Looks way more rendered than the other eye (in a more angular way).
- Maybe define nostril in the light slightly more (remember you can alter the value of one section by darkening or lightening the section next to it).

>>3462199
kek i did those like three years ago. but i did the portrait in the top left from reference yesterday

>>3462196
see top left above. will post ref i sec. but that seems so hard. can i do like two a week instead

moar bangs plaques. this is most of them

and here is the ref

might as well go all out since im posting. i did his from the ref thread. not quite finished in think but i dont really want to go any further

and one more. from the other asian study thread. im going to bed. not sure if i want to put the effort into the blouse. i have on some areas but there are a lot of shapes

>>3462227
don't use pure white, save it for the highlights if there are any.

>>3462233
wut lol theres no pure white on there, not even the cheeks/ nose
oh and for context the sketches for all my paintings, like the two above start off EXACTLY like the sketch above

getting off for reals now

>>3462222
>his digital work sucks
>his traditional game is outta this world
gonna make it

>>3462233
adjust your monitor

>>3462190
i love you

>>3462222
>>3462223
is this really erics work?
how can you succeed in doing bargue plates yet still be below /beg/ tier when drawing from imagination

>>3461037

>>3462190
You caved her face in.

>>3461671
Learn to use lineweight, fuck around with stronger values, push your forms more in the gesture stage (Hampton is good for this)

>>3458424
>been using gimp 2 for little over a year
>every time i open it the dynamics doesn't work
>for it to work i have to open a file, draw something (just a line), then close gimp and then open it again before the dynamics work
>still happens after i reinstalled it
>didn't happen once or twice at some point
what is wrong and how do i fix it?

>>3462397
Stop using Gimp and use Krita instead.

>>3462402
please don't let this be the only response
every time i get meme responses like these it is always the only response

>>3462407
It's true though. There is literally NO reason to use Gimp. It is outdated, unsupported software that hasn't been relevant in many years.

Krita and Gimp are both free open source software, but they're both different things. Krita is made for art, for which it is among the best tools available today comparable to and even exceeding commercial software in many ways. Gimp is made for photo editing, which it performs fairly well. This isn't a meme, this is me telling you to fucking use Krita already you piece of shit.

>>3459948
Thank you! A thousand kisses to you!

Answer me this /beg/, when it comes to drawing exercises what do you usually do?
Do you pick several of them?
Do you use a timer?
When do you draw your own works using what you studied?
What are your sources?
What exercises would you recommend that have helped you well?

drew some shit during school.

>>3459393
yeah it is good job

>>3462491
t-rex?

>>3462491
wa-wa-wa-wackyy

Anybody here draw their own body a lot? Surely it's better than copying photos

>>3462605
what are you on about? you can't be posing and drawing simultaneously

>>3462594
in the flesh.

>>3462612
You sure?

I'm trying to learn gestures and figures from Hampton. Please assist.

>>3462787
I forgot to link this imgur I prepared for this post. Here's another pre-gesture thing I did to use as a base and the picture I'm working off of.

https://imgur.com/a/OFCGksh

Every time I take drawing seriously I end up getting worse than when I started.

A month or so of solid practice and study and my new drawings look worse than the ones I did before I studied.

I start getting bogged down by techniques and measurements and everything starts to look stiff and symbol drawing like.

For some reason my tablet won't work with SAI anymore, it shows movement but it won't let me draw lines now.
Help?

Is there any reason why Hampton has adding the jaw as a step BEFORE perspective (i.e. eyeline) in his book? Doesn't how the jaw is drawn depend entirely on the perspective of the head?

Hi guys! First time posting here and seeing y'all upload your progress and work is inspiring! I hope progress continues with success for all of you

I'm not sure what to ask, but i decided to pick up painting for the first time since kinder last week and this is what I made...

It's egg tempera, one using dirt for pigment and red chili powder for the other.

I don't quite have a clear goal in mind, except to clarify on just that, and keep painting. I wanna go through those Loomis books and study them deeply and work on my foundation.

I appreciate any insight provided & I post this comment with love for you guys

>>3462476
drawabox/dynamic sketching bible has some good ones
I keep with basics - a page, front and back, of freehand lines and circles - as warmup
starting out, I just traced a page of lines and circles and ellipses over eight times per line every day for a few weeks, built shoulder endurance and let me tell people shitting on my wobbly lines to fuck off I'm doing my best
also good as a daily chore are gestures proceeding to figure drawing, value studies, box grinding, whatever you suck at

>>3461671
male chest and a really messed up left arm

I've been drawing every day for months and I'm still shit. How do I stop getting the urge to try? I'll never make it so it's a waste of fucking time getting my hopes up

>>3461804
You will never need to draw hands without reference because you have two perfectly good models attached to your arms. Point your right hand at yourself and boom, why are you doing that from imagination? The hard part is being able to draw a decent hand in an ultra stylized thumbnail sketch of a person. Even with a reference, that's tough because you have to be really good at proportions and line accuracy.

how in the h*ck do you use Chara studio? I can't change the model it's all t-poses! Sorry for being a baka >\\\<

>>3462823
it looks like you dab shit all over your canvas, and decided to do chicken scratches on it using a stick.

try to studying your fundies first before dabbling on those abstract shit.

I rendered for the first time today, did this in about an hour. How'd I do?

do I belong here

>>3463001
oopsie forgot to resize

>>3463001
yeah
welcome

Are there any rules or tips I should follow when drawing something pressing against glass like pic related?

>>3462994
http://vetyr.tumblr.com/post/158276127955/hi-i-love-your-art-in-particular-your-edges-are

How do I Bargue plate?

>>3463129
Youtube it. Tons of videos on how to do it.

>>3459365
any more critique on this please?

>>3463129

There is an entire book written on it. Maybe try reading it.

>>3463129
The reading itself is only 24 pages, not 214. You can also find enlarged versions of the plates here for easy printing. Only print out one plate at a time to save on ink, since it will take you a while to get through a single plate. As for charcoal, I was recommended those pencils with a string you can pull down, but if you're good at sharpening I guess you can do it as recommended in the Da Vinci initiative videos.
https://archive.org/details/C.BargueDrawingCourse
https://barguedrawing.wordpress.com/

Just started digital drawing with an Intuos pro i got today. Few questions

1) No matter how light I press the nib feels rough like it is scratching the surface, is this normal?

2) What size paper/resolution should I be using for drawings on CSP? No matter what I do the lines seem to look blury

3) Downloaded Frendens brushes, any recommendations for which to use for sketching and inking? No matter what brush I use it seems blurred and bad.

>>3462548
the canvas texture ruins everything, makes it look super amateurish.
you can prime your canvas to remove the texture, paint on another surface, or use way more paint in each brush stroke to get rid of the texture

hey /beg/, what can help one realize volume?

I love that feeling after 10 minutes of super frustrating gesture practice where you click and everything starts flowing.

I really wish I could keep this and build images with construction at the same time, if I don't measure and construct it the proportions and perspective is off but if I do it looks like a stiff robot boxman or a symbol drawing.

>bought a new monitor
>all colors look different on it
everything looks fucked up aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
actually how am I supposed to know what it really looks like? do i have to print everything or something?

>>3459365
Erase the middle guy's top half, including eyes, and redraw it

>>3463398
that doesnt help, im just going to make the same mistake if i dont know whats wrong

I dumb question but how exactly do you "grind fundamentals"? It gets thrown around a lot here.

Obviously draw a lot but how do I grind specific things? I get some things like gesture that's easy just sit down and do gesture drawings but how do you grind things like perspective or proportion?

>>3463419
draw a lot of people... 1, 2 , 4, 5, 6 ,7, 8 will all be satisfied (all but 3)

Just draw landscapes and dynamic scenes to work on your perspective

I am completely lost, is this drawing salvageable? It actually hurts my head.

>>3463366
Cross contour, drawing through form and simple shadows.

>>3463387

I've been using digital software to draw for years but I still don't understand anything more advanced than the basic drawing tools and making layers, stuff like masks, brushes and layer types are above my head.

I mostly use Sai 2 so would Ctrl+Paint still help?

>>3463396
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm

>>3463401
There's nothing glaringly wrong with it because you barely drew anything. I'm not telling you to fix it, I'm telling you to see if it was a fluke.
Also, why the fuck are you getting to hung up over a sketch from 4 days ago, move on already
If you don't know what to draw next then go render lips and noses right now

>>3463462
Oh alright then. Noses and lips you think are the thing i didnt do so well with then?

Update

Don’t have time to read any of the books.

>>3463473
You're turned him black.

>>3463453
Thanks, but the list has neither my old nor my new monitor, somehow. I'll try fiddling around with the settings, maybe I'll work out something on my own.

>>3463487
There's probably other resources out there, try googleing "monitor color calibration" or something along those lines and see what you can find.

>>3463479
Lol

>>3463401

>that doesn't help, im just going to make the same mistake if i dont know whats wrong

This is something that fristrates the shit out of me in this board and on imageboards in general, why it must be some sort of mystery we have to solve instead of saying "X is wrong do Y as so"

question: does the ribbon method still work for hair like abel tesfaye's

do i like, make it look like ribbons twisting upwards and build it up from there?

How goes drawing?

>>3463432

I'm going to assume it is jut another failure.

>>3463432

I'm going to assume it is just another failure.

>>3460144
Start doing deadlifts, rack pulls, lat pull down and all kinds of row variants to use yourself for reference.

I just started Keys to Drawing and i've come across a problem - in the exercises it says to shade and tone even though it hasnt though me how to do that yet. Should I just go along with it and shade the best I can or should I look for some shading tutorials? Im afraid the author assumes I already know how to shade (which I obv dont)

>>3463584
And which exercise might that be?

>>3463539
b-but>>3462612

>>3462612
artlet

kind of a garbage day

>>3463593

Am I good yet?

>>3463635
>>3463593
pretty much the very first ones

>>3463635
>>3463637
If you haven't learned how to shade in 18 years of your life. I have a feeling you might not make it very far. It's literally just scribbling over your drawing. Like coloring with a pencil. Fill in the blank. Seriously. Might want to rethink learning how to draw.

These are from imagination so i know theres something wrong but i can't figure out how to fix those problems. Someone suggested i do more skull practices.
Is there a way to measure facial structures?
Maybe can someone redline this or at least tell me what i should do and tell me what habits i should break?

>>3463642
Thats obviously not what I meant. I was talking about the shading that makes the drawing look realistic like pic related

>>3463648
btw I do like pointy noses so dont say things like "well first off the noses are too pointy".Unless theres a better way to do pointy noses then i am all ears for that.

>>3463650
How "realistic" does the authors example look to you?

>>3463657
realistic enough so that the beginner wouldnt be able to draw it

>>3463650
What are you drawing with? If you're using graphite and shitty paper there is a limit to how artistic your work is going to look. Something like that is making use of a lot of layers and erasing, you're not going to learn that unless you work specifically on rendering with pencils. Play around with your tool, maybe work on a hatching method you like or lightly laying in tone until you get the buildup of value you want. Use the side of the pencil and just make downstrokes lifting your pencil up and bringing it back to the top. Work on making some value charts, I find with graphite I really only get 3-4 tones without killing the paper or just getting too messy. That's where things like hatching or line weight come in for accomplishing the same goal. Dodson also uses some ink washes for shading too which you'd need to specifically find a way to make on your own. The book is more important for introducing you to drawing. You can skip ahead to the mapping shadows bit and then go back, you don't have to do the book in order but don't expect to understand later things building upon previous lessons.

>>3463661
>tinted glass

>>3463340
CSP is all about playing with brush presets. I'd recommend against brush packs really for now. For sketching I like the design pencil and some tweaks I've made to other brushes. Inking would be minor edits to existing pens. You can also download from clip-assets where people upload their presets.

CSP doesn't come with a great hard or soft round so you'll have to make your own. I recommend sticking with those two for getting to learn painting since they're the basis for everything and what you'll see in tutorials like ctrl paint. Follow this tutorial to make them, you don't have to worry about the mixing settings as much since you'll find your own you care for. One thing I highly recommend is setting a key to turn on or off paint mixing: Shortcut Settings > Setting Area: Option > Tool Property Palette > Ink > On/Off Mixed Ground Color. By default I think almost every brush starts with mixing mode being on so you'll be picking up the color of whatever surface you're painting on and likely not getting the colors you want. I leave this setting turned off most of the time until rendering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZbJYAVmghk

>>3463648
Expand your canvas and finish the top right skull
Then mirror it and fix any mistakes you see
The check whether the eyes are below the middle of the skull for all of them, while accounting for perspective of course.

>>3463697
how do you apply perspective on a face correctly?
I just dont want to mess up the face by doing wrong perspective

First time doing a watercolor.
I noticed somehow my painting looks like it has this thick crayon like color layers, Instead of a light layered color thingy. Should i use more water or something? Sorry if it doesn't make any sense, i don't really know how to describe my problem in english.

>>3463752
I had the opposite problem when I started. Looks like you went full pigment and not much water. It should dry a bit lighter than what it first appears.

Around 3:45 is where he's about to get into the painting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j6qH7qj5kE&list=PLhBKkQX9XSgfxbMgYUDdYUq07D9trCULF&index=2

I've been drawing noses for an hour or so now, trying out different techniques but none of them seem to click, what can i do to resolve this?

>>3463813
Draw more noses.

>>3463813
post noses. there are 3 main cartilage sections of the nose, some fat for the wings, and then the skull's influence on the bridge.

>>3463813
>I've been drawing noses for an hour
Draw one nose for an hour.

i have tried my best but it wasn't enough

>>3463873
Try again.

>>3463804
Whoa i was definitely far off with my paint to water ratio. That amount of water looks hard to control tho, might need a while to get used to that. Thanks for the vid man

>>3463873
oh wow, a dot brush that you go over several times with until it's a mess of filled pixels. i'm sure you'll learn a lot by avoiding committing to anything

Not sure if I should continue working on this.

>>3463880

>>3463876
its paint ,im poor

>>3463883
Clip Studio is on sale for $25, Krita is free

>>3463883
do you know how to torrent?
I mean cmon

>>3463874
>>3463876
i used the marker this time ,
>>3463892
i gonna try Krita after i finish this ,thanks for the suggestion

>>3463914

>>3463432

It's fortunate you don't use an scanner because it would have been a waste, the perspective is a mess, nothing fits with nothing and the anatomy is very poor as well, her ass seems to be in a completely different perspective compared to the torso and both to the head, study perspective.

For the life of me I just cannot perceive size, starting to feel like I have brain damage.

I'll block it all out and try to match part horizontally and vertically but then the lip is reaching the chip and the far eye is tiny.

>>3463966
*reaching the chin

>>3463047
Thanks mate

god damn i'm really gettin frustrated lately at this
what do you guys do when everything you seem to do is just wrong and your patience for fucking up grows smaller and smaller?

>>3464100
Take a break. Then get back at it because everything is wrong.Then remind myself I need a ton of patience because it takes more than a life time to master it.

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