/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

its that time again. so im still stuck on eyebrows really bad. might just pull up a lot of faces and study just the brows. and i dont like how i drew the nose but whatever

Okay /beg/. I broke down and bought a couple books to study seven days a week during my summer vacation. I have two more months before I have to worry about moving.
I have physical copies of
>Loomis's Figure Drawing
>Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing
>Scott Roberson's How to Draw
>Bridgman Drawing from Life
>Anatomy Lessons from the Great Masters by Robert Half
>Colour and Light by James Gurney
I started digging into Loomis for a bit, but as the other books and supplies arruved in the mail, I was wondering what's the best approach to learning it. I have no other hobbies I really like other than browsing 4chan, which I disconnect my internet when I'm not posting a question like this, so I'm aiming to spend around 8 or more hours every day on this.
Should I spend each day on a different book or read and practice one book until completion and then move onto the next one.

>tfw haven't touched a pencil or even bothered considering reading Loomis and checking out other resources because of shallow life stuff that added up

Anyway, I got back in to sketching. I did this one, and now I kinda want to make it into a fully rendered thing. I'm really unsure of how to approach it, though. Should I just cover it with another layer and just line art it as clean as possible? Or would it be okay to just paint over it and fill it with color?

>>3454676
Do whatever you feel happy doing otherwise you'll burn out. I got 3 chapters in to keys and about 10 pages in to drawing the head and hands and just started drawing a bunch of portraits. I'll go back to the books eventually but I just wanted to apply what I learned and draw cool stuff for a couple weeks.

You want to do whatever it takes to not burn out as long as you see improvement in your work.


My question is whether just copying references over and over is a good thing to do, because I've been doing it for a while and I've seen some improvement but I do still wonder whether it's hindering me, I sit there and draw and render every shape and shadow I see exactly how it looks in the picture. I do think about why a spot is darker and why a spot is lighter and why I'm doing what I'm doing, but I'd still like to know if I could be working better.

Hi just starting to learn to color shit
How do you guys get clean edges when digital painting? I want to stop relying so heavily on linework to hold things together but whenever I take the lines away everything just looks like a horrible blob of shit.

>>3454685
Well that's why I have 8 other hours free to doodle and have fun. I am not worried about burning out, but merely want to digest the information as fast as possible to get the desired skill attainment and draw everything i want to so i can start drawing comics one day or a painting another

>>3454676
Read read read as much as you can and hold off on the exercises. It doesn't matter if you *truly* understand whatever, just knowing where to find the information you need is extremely helpful.
When you're done reading or you can't get any further because nothing makes sense, then you'll have a good idea of what seems easiest to you - start there.

>>3454629
it may be a better idea to get a higer resolution picture next time I look for reference.

>>3454697
Use the lasso tool a select around where you want the edge or make a new layer brush in the value erase out the edge then collapse the layer. Or just manually paint back in edges and take forever like me.

>>3454723
where's all the underground skeletal work? References aren't for outlines but get the right basic shapes where they fit naturally/

>>3454685
Okay don't do that. Focus on one thing you want to study. If you want to study head proportions then draw only the head and skip the rendering. There is no need to draw and fully render every head you draw. Another tip is don't try to do everything in 1 day. I see a lot of people really pushing themselves needlessly of no reason. Drawing pages of lines, boxes, circles, faces, then moving on to figure drawing everyday without drawing from imagination.

You should always start the day drawing from imagination. After that you look and pick something from your drawing that you're lacking at and do 1-2 hour study on that subject. When you're done you finish by drawing from imagination and try to apply the thing you studied into it. Don't be a zombie and just draw and fully render a head to improve. Really break down what you need and focus on one thing one day at a time.

I haven't drawn in a very long time and I wanted to pick it up again because my discipline has improved a lot over the years, I remember having an account for a private torrent website dedicated to art stuff like lectures, I can't recall what the website is called if anyone could help me.

>>3454808
CGPeers

KtD 1-E. It says to draw life-size or bigger but I kind of spaced and drew it about 30% smaller. If I realize I haven't followed the instructions right, should I try again or move on?

Eyes from imagination before I go out,how are they looking.

Is drawing from life with the construction method really the best way to improve?

>>3454823
i would give up and never try again

>>3454823
Read what the exercises say, if they say do them again if yoyre not satisfied do them again. If not, move on. The book is just to get you drawing, and drawing how you should be. If you think you didn't apply what the book is telling you, read again and redo.

>>3454823
move on, that looks fine as long as it didn't take you ages

>>3454713
Alright, but I'm probably going to end up doing all the exercises anyway after reading the book. Probably going to use sticky notes on Michael Hampton to mark important pages.

>>3454671
At this point it has to be some sort of elaborate ruse. Why are you still rendering like how you were 3 years ago. You are actively ignoring what people are telling you.

Tried coloring a greyscale. I know it isn't that good as far as colors go. I think only the shading is somewhat good in this. what do you think?

>>3454886
>3
cause im working on improving my drawing/construction, colors/values, symbol drawing and not rendering with a 'painterly' look

>>3454886
dude its the same fucking woman from the same fucking angle for years now. start drawing from reference right now, its the only way you can save yourself. do you think you arent especially retarded in your progress? because you are, no-one on /ic/ is worse than you. start fixing your mindset now. you should have stayed mormon, at least then you would have had some work ethic

>>3454911
>3 years

>>3454629
alright
so I have been trying to get better for a few months now
I have this routine I do 4 days week. 6 pages of lines, 60 gestures, they are broken up by 20 in ways that helps me in different things about the figure, and 2 pages of circles and ellipses.
on my off days I try to read and watch for things I could use to help to improve. been drawing on a tablet for the last month
I am here for any advice you'd be willing to share.

>>3454740
I erased underground skeletal work. granted it wasnt much outside just few balls and lines.

>>3454917
Draw more from imagination. You're developing a routine and forming a new safe space with all those studies. It's gonna hurt your creativity in the long run.

>>3454912
how creepy do you have to be to stalk me this hard? you do realize only work on portraits every once and a while right? those star war guache paintings? mine. that darth vader with the dead rebels? mine. that weird dark circular building? mine. you act like im putting soooooo much effort into portraiture and failing when im really not at all. also i HAVE been doing DOTRSOTB and im at the portrait section funny right now funny enough. now be a dear and tell me if my drawing/construction/symbols/values have improved. and no i can post literally 5 portraits right now that show its NOT the 'same' women. same angle or whatever sure

>>3454914
fuuuuckk you. its literally not even two years until i start posted my shit imaginative faces

>>3454923
>improved
no, they are fucking shit with no difference at all
>paintings
i can tell they are yours by the awful use of colour and general amateurish rendering

>>3454922
didn't mean to make it sound like that is all. I do draw from imagination when time and procrastination allows

>>3454920
I'd say focus more on the shapes and underskin skeleton. This isn't as much a contour line problem as it is not showing the full shape behind what you're drawing. Break it down more. I don't want to meme on you, but >Loomis might be what you need here. Lastly, draw your lines a lot softer. You don't need hard shaping lines to depict the outline. Just suggest it and it'll all pull together when you look at it.

>>3454925
>no, they are fucking shit with no difference at all
get over it loser, pic related. you literally cant convince ANYONE, artist or not, that my pic in this thread or even the last few arent massive improvements to pic related again i dont have to follow your fucking time table or mindlessly grind loomis. youre really pissing my the fuck off at this point
>i can tell they are yours by the awful use of colour and general amateurish rendering
hence why im in this place called /beg/. you appear to have some grasp of the english language. do you not realize that /beg/ is short for 'begginer' hence why aspects of my painting are amatuerish

>>3454932

>>3454932
i dont have a stake in this, but you didnt post any pictures.

>>3454932
/beg/ or /ic/ in general is for improvement and critique, you seem to hate both
also anyone practicing properly reading keys and bargue can be better than you in only a week. you've been at this for yeares

>>3454935
I'm going to bet the under and guess the next response is "lol, bro, this isn't my fulltime job" or the likes.

Any recommended tutorials or vids for copic markers? YouTube is chock full of them so I have no clue where to start.

>>3454933
>>3454671
Please tell me this is a troll. 3 YEARS?

>>3454945
well
palcomix is a thing, so it is possible

>>3454835
http://www.learning-to-see.co.uk/bargue-1
Like they're from imagination. The straight eyelashes don't help either.

>>3454935
>>3454935
stfu loser pic related is literally all from the past THREE months. i dont fucking grind loomis everyday or even every week you stupid fucking nigger much less even draw everyday.
>>3454936
well this is a HOBBY that i have no intention of making a fucking job out of so theres that
>>3454945
see pic related you faggot nigger

>>3454947
>like they're from imagination
hm?

>>3454951
Just.. .stop. Im not usually this negative towards people. Please re-evaluate your current studying habits, and push forward to tomorrow.

I'm sorry i posted that crab picture, and i know it is painful to hear such negative feedback. However, i think you could use this as an opportunity to grow as an artist. You are probably still young, so don't give up!

Try to sit down and copy some portraits using greys only, not color. Focus on looking at the soft and hard shadows, and the general shapes of the skull. Really try to narrow in on copying the eys, nose and mouth as they are shown. Your observation skills will improve greatly if you spend about 20 hours on a single photo study a week.

>>3454945
and that was one of my first imaginative portraits posted to my DA oct 2016 so its barely even 1. fucking 5 years. these retard nigger shits dont even understand the concept of time apparently

>>3454951
not grinding loomis is not something to be proud of. there's no point giving critique if you're not willing to try improve. learning construction via loomis is just step 1, then you need measuring and proportions, then rendering. if you want to draw/paint well, learn to do that. if you just want to do it for fun, there's no reason to come here for critique.

>>3454951
Hey, calm down. Stop replying to obvious bait and listen to critique. I'm too a beginner so I can't really help you with drawing but you should calm down and try some studies. Look up on youtube how to paint and read up about drawing.

>>3454951
maybe you're just more suited to directing your energy into other creative means like macaroni art or building popsicle houses.

>>3454955
im going to post my side profile study for dotrsotb ib the next few days.

>>3454957
do you not understand the concept that other will improve when they feel like improving? im,allowed to chose to work on landscapes and shit star wars fan art for fun. i do loomis when i fucking do loomis. maybe its two loomi a week or maybe only one per month. theres no rule that says i have to improve when you say i should

>>3454963
ive never said this to someone before, but i genuinely don't think you're gonna make it. I hope you prove me wrong.

>>3454963
here's your trophy.

>>3454960
those arent creative tho
>>3454958
thanks okay ill try. sometimes i forgot youtube even exists

>>3454954
They don't look like real eyes in the slightest. They look symbol drawn. See the picture in >>3454630, copy some eye references, and maybe (re)watch a Proko video about the subject.

>>3454967
think of it as an oppurtunity for you to get commission i would be getting. youre welcome. in return you put up with my slow improvement.
>>3454968
for what purpose.

ffs can someone just tell me if the symbol drawing improved in the top pic

>>3454971
>in the slightest
i appreciate criticism but this can't be right. i've been drawing them from references for a while now, and no one has called them symbol drawn once. You might be right about the eyelashes but I'm certainly not just drawing almonds, I've got the eye lids and eye bags too.

If you can instead pinpoint what you think the problem is I can make improvements, but symbol drawing is not a critique that will help me here.

>>3454968
fucken saved

>>3454976
http://www.learning-to-see.co.uk/bargue-1
http://www.learning-to-see.co.uk/bargue-1
http://www.learning-to-see.co.uk/bargue-1
Just copy these fucking plates already

>eric thread
aw yeah

>>3454976
I'll even give you this
https://archive.org/details/C.BargueDrawingCourse
Page 25

>>3454981
man i will, i had planned to do bargue's anyway, i just dont understand in what way they're symbol drawn, and doing bargue's won't help me understand that either.

>>3454968
can someone tell me what loomis is
sorry for being a newfag

Oh, and remember to post your copies when you're done. If you decide not to copy exactly, be sure to mention that.

>>3454928
Make sure to draw from imagination before doing your studies though. If you feel like skipping drawing from Imagination and going straight for grinding fundies is a sign that grinding is your new safe space.

Remember fundes and studies should supplement drawing from imagination not the other way around.

>>3454990
Our holy god we worship

>>3454992
>Make sure to draw from imagination before doing your studies though
shit.

>>3454990
Andrew Loomis is probably one of the best authors of an instruction books to help introduce theories and fundamentals to new artists. He breaks down and illustrates a lot of points necessary for starting off drawing at many stages of developing a skill in the field.
He's surefire one of the best way for a layman to turn into a professional without the help of college or university guidance or peers.
/ic/ have used him as the go-to guide for every beginner on principle that Loomis can more thoroughly explain in his books most pitfalls every artist starting out finds themselves in with a more trusted manner. This has turned into somewhat of a cult for /ic/ and a meme for others, for when so many continue to press the same message on beginners it becomes frustrating to be written off so quickly, and thus many who start off refuse to break down and turn to Fun with a Pencil, Figure Drawing for All It's Worth, Drawing the Head and Hands, and more. Others however, do tend to parrot Loomis without even reading his works, thus compounding some of the newgoers frustrations.
Honestly, he's amazing, and definitely deserves his spot on the sticky, and the memes about him can't do it proper justice without becoming a parody. For better or worse, he's a meme, and while we can't do better for him, that is his most concrete spot in this day and age for exposure.

>>3454823
You should be blocking out the general shape so you know how big your drawing will be. If you do that already and just spaced out at the phrase "life-size", you're okay and can move on.

>>3455005
thanks for your eloquence, or pasta
found the pdfs, looks like reading to do now

>>3455028
Have fun

Could you tell me what I should improve? it still wip so I know about that there is no fingers or that the legs aren't connected. But should I focus on shading Anatomy or gesture? Looking at it I think the face needs better shading but what else is bad?

>>3455040
The pose is too stiff. Arms down by the sides pose is very boring. Also is she supposed to be leaning forward? Looks like she's about to fall over.

I'm not sure what to do.

I want to get into a good animation school(Sheridan or CalArts) but I have no idea how to learn the techniques that the caliber of student that gets accepted to these schools has.

I can draw a model and it'll turn out okay. But these people are using all these different styles, paints, pastels, all kinds of shit that I can't even get my mind wrapped around.

I don't even know how to draw something that doesn't look realistic. I don't know how to draw cartoons or color theory.

Is there a shit ton of torrents I can just go through and learn these techniques and start getting in the hours? Because all the things I find are just basic drawing skills. There's nothing substantial that lets you get to the next level of actually being able to experiment with things for yourself.

What the hell do I do? I've been stuck making drawing like this for years and I don't know how to do anything different.

>>3454629
Just finished this, what can I do to do a better job?

already feel like a one trick pony.

>>3454629
damn that pic in the OP looks nice tho! ;))

>>3454838
It's a realiable one

>>3454951
>they were all from the same guy
it all makes sense now
i feel so light

>>3455074
study color theory

Well I did horrible.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oOs8i4tpeU8/VGew5Mwmq2I/AAAAAAAAHm4/iIVgCbj2jhs/s1600/beautiful-model-red-hair-image.jpg

>>3455113
>i feel so light
thats called being a retard. its okay though, lots of people kind of somewhat live happy fullfilling lives with this condition

>>3455143
>eric takes to trolling instead of listening to criticism

>>3455040
This is what I got after about 30-40 minutes or so
I'm going to keep working on this after lunch and see how much further I can go

>>3455138
UNF

>>3455138
is he wearing gloves?

Today I drew this

>>3455143
>"retards feel dizzy all the time"
>unironically believing this
You know, maybe you're not untalented at drawing, maybe you're just fucking stupid in general?

>>3455166
Nice. What were your references?

>>3454917
All those lines and gestures are a warmup if that, 6 pages of lines every day? 2 pages of circles? That just sounds like busy work, if you've been drawing for a few months, constant line and circle practice isn't necessary. Start studying anatomy and heads. I bet you could do more than 4 days a week as well.

Is this furry

>>3454951
Oh boy this is a great thread

>>3455177
Depends on the context

>>3455161
no hes a statue

>>3454968
lmfao

>>3455187
a polished marble statue? makes sense then

>>3455166
Good shit, gmi

>>3455174
>6 pages of lines every day?
15 lines right to left and vice versa, as well as up and down, curve and wave lines, gone over 10 times each, I have only been consistently doing it for two months.
>All those lines and gestures are a warmup if that
yeah, problem is after I have done everything, I am sick of it, and want to do something else, but if I don't have to do the lines now, I could do that. yeah, also need to work on perspective.
>I bet you could do more than 4 days a week as well
yeah, the 4 days thing is just for the exercises, I still draw on the off days, make shit from imagination or reference, try to read

>>3455141
What size is this irl? Looks tiny
Draw bigger so your construction lines (if you have any) make more sense

>>3455138
Looks like my dick. It's pretty good tho (your painting).

>>3455154
>>3455040 Here, your pose is really good. I'm jelly

>>3455239
Jeez, that post looks retared. sorry for that. If you can't figure it out I'm the guy who drew >3455040. I wanted to say I like your how you drew the pose.

First time posting, total beginner here. I vowed to myself a month or so ago that I would make practising at least a little bit of drawing a daily habit, which I actually managed to keep up. I've been doing things like reference household objects, /co/ characters, occasionally random toony things from imagination. I've only been drawing pencil on paper, up until two days ago where I got my hands on an X200T.
Drawing digitally seems a whole over discipline itself, I've never done it before and pen pressure, stablisation, etc a lot to take in recently and a little frustrating. I'm determined though that I will eventually produce something digitally that looks somewhat as okay as what I can sketch on paper. Guess I'm practising paper and digital in parallel at the moment. Guidance is welcome.

>>3454951
I don't exactly want to step but this is sad
Nobody is really doubting that you improved in your own little way but you probably never asked yourself the right questions
It's not about "how do I draw perfect eyes, then perfect noses, then perfect mouths..."
It's about "how do I make what I paint appealing?"

Compare your shit to that of other and try to understand what makes a picture appealing. It certainly isn't perfect fucking eyebrows
The thing is, your style is creepy at best
Nothing really pops out, colors look muddy as fuck, lacks definition and proper contrast and your portraits are borderline uncanny valley
But you don't have to grind loomis and blending everyday, just try to make appealing shit with your current skills
If you're not willing to commit entirely, keep it simple stupid
It's also more fun this way and that's generally what you expect of a hobby

>>3455244
fundamentals are best practiced on paper, when you're experimenting try digital

>>3454933
Holy crap, I remember critiquing this ages ago. Is this really your work years later? >>3454671
I'd honestly recommend studying some fundamentals... your work hasn't improved at all, only 3% less creepy looking. You've still got a lot of the beginner mistakes that most people get over a couple weeks in. Have you been reading Loomis? Hampton? Keys to Drawing? That's fine if you don't want to be a professional artist, I think only a small amount of /ic/ artists want to "go pro". But don't you want to be able to produce better work? You could easily be at pic related's level after 3 years of earnest study and practice. Get to it, anon. Name calling a bunch of strangers on the internet isn't going to help you.

>>3455263
I see. I forgot to mention that for some weeks I practiced fundamentals from the first few chapters of a book I got from the library on basic mark making, circles, geometry, shading. Worked through them all, then got to the still life chapter where I let my current drawing habits take over.
Finding it hard to reproduce the fundamentals of what I got down in paper to digital, like closing a circle, parallel lines, etc. Might be the software, and all the brush configs, etc.

Is this "good enough" for a loose sketch? What should i work on? (major mistakes etc.)

>>3455227
Pretty small. Yeah I think I need to draw bigger instead I can't make this small image look good.

>>3455284
software takes time to get used to. Honestly I got good with my tablet after my mouse broke and I just used my tablet as a mouse for everything.
Do you have two monitors hooked up btw. definately a problem for me, until I mapped my tablet to one monitor.

>>3455285
>am i good when im not trying?
What kind of answer do you expect? If anyone gave critique on that it might end up just being stuff you're already aware of but couldn't be arsed with since it's just a sketch. If you want to improve through critique you need to post something that's literally as good as you can currently make it.

I WANT TO MAKE IT

>>3455377
You look like you can do it. Practice your fundamentals everyday, and remember, have fun

First time posting here. I've been experimenting with inking brushes and this is the best I could do with my potato tablet. I think this is really good having in mind my last drawings, but what do you think?

how do I make the torso not look like a plank REEEEEEEEEEE
What are the elements that give it its shape at its most simplified? Can't figure out if it's shoulder blades, armpits, side fat etc

>>3455420
Watch proko's bean video.

>>3455422
I have and the thing he does just after that vid is turn it into a plank

>>3455293
Hopefully I will get confident enough. I've been trying Krita,. I want to also see what I can do with Inkscape, which I'm fairly familiar with, or plain old mspaint.

>>3455394
>3000x4000
>chiseled jawline
>defined eyebrows
>adams apple
>accents on eyelashes

are you drawing a man or a woman? seems like a mix of both and its uncanny as fuck, aside from that it looks good

I'm trash with a tablet but I'm not to bad with a sketchbook. Also hello, I'm trying to lurk less

>>3454951
best one is the dog, if it were done in traditional with a bit of work could easily become a surreal shit

just got into painting with watercolours and looking for some feedback
there's probably a lot of anatomy fuckups and whatnot, so if anyone has the patience to point them out—fuck me up with your critiques

>>3455453
anatomy aside, you are not taking full advantage of watercolor range of color blending, all brown tones is a bit too boring.
focus more on highlights and shadows, currently looks too flat
composition is a mess,
>am i supposed to look at her ass?
>am i supposed to look at the other girl's eyes?

>>3455436
It's supposedly her from a different angle but I'm bad at capturing face details

>>3455500
>>3455436
Her

>>3454629
Here's something I did earlier today. It's acrylic paint along with coffee grounds used to stain the background. I would like some advice because I often feel as though I am fighting against the paint to cooperate with me, I think oils would be better for me because the main thing that pisses me off is my paint on the pallet drying too fast for my own comfort.

Is this how you do them gestures?

I think this is one of my better ones.

This was reference:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KVN1YxFE7TE/VGew8k4QkiI/AAAAAAAAHnw/UmJMSmFG8vI/s1600/female-model-awesome-image.jpg

>>3455522
If it works for you, then that's great.

>>3455502
you did get her likeness, just be careful with the minor details like the jaw and neck, also one of the layers on the chin makes her look like she has a goatee stubble

>>3455282
its 1.5 years you twat

I’m trying to get the sketchy looking on digital, how Am I doing?

>>3455440
howdy anon. Not an expert but you might want to try suggesting those facial features more than drawing them with hard lines. Looks fun though.

>>3455523
Looking alright, though the eyes and right cheek are very jarring. Maybe it because the pop out so much without and cheeks or depth close to the nose. They sorta just POP out at you. The right cheek though is a tatter. The hair too I think is overworked. Try not to put too much detail into it and just let a flow express itself on the page then forcing in the ink

>>3454990
>>3455005
>>3455028
Loomeme claims another promising artist as its victim

Is there a program that will tell me what paints to mix to make a certain color from a reference image on my desktop? I don't want to waste my oils on trial and error.

drawing when drunk is best drawing
>>3455608
wat?

How do I make my tones blend nicely without using a paper stump? I try going over it but if I have a lighter tone it just ends up darkening it.

>>3455580
That's hardly better

>>3455608

>>3455645
>>3455624
I would say that falling for the loomeme was the biggest mistake i made when i started wanting to get good
take it or leave it, i dont try to learn from someone whose art i dont even like

>>3455654
Ill keep posting some more pages that I just find ugly and shit desu, it doesnt take a rocket scientist or vilppu to recognise that if pic rel was posted without contest with text removed people would say its /beg/ tier shit and laugh at it

>>3455661
fuck forgot the pic

Reminder that Loomis is not the one at fault, but the people who can't read the sticky.
>As stated before, the first thing one must learn is how to see. If you can’t accurately see and draw what’s right in front of you, then you can’t deconstruct it to see its buildings blocks.
Loomis isn't even recommended anywhere near the beginning of the sticky.

>>3455663
lets not forget that time he fucked up his own epic head drawing method

>>3455667
Also loomis has no fucking page in his figure drawing book that talks about gesture, none
Unless you count pic rel as gestures, jesus

>>3455663
>>3455654
it looks fine, dude

>>3455680
You will always stay at a step below of what you are trying to achieve, you have to aim higher than the mark
You will never leave beg if you are learning from "fine"

>>3455453
anyone else?

>>3455683
I don't even know what I am aim for
just want to be able to draw well
I don't get what you are trying to say anyway
drawing is 95% reflex, so mileage the best thing you can get
even if it is in a style, you don't personally find aesthetically pleasing, it is still helping you become a better artist

>>3455683
Wrong, you just posted construction, which looks good enough to me to draw on top of, considering there all proportioned well with good gesture.

>>3455636
are you implying i was born at that skill level?

>>3455166
Now show me the basic construction of this drawing.

>>3455654
>>3455663
>>3455667

I don't really understand your thesis.

TO actually draw something, you have to understand its form.

Loomis does one thing well -- he creates simplifications of the (actual) form which are fun and rewarding for beginners to practice. The example of this is the potato head: it doesn't look anatomical but it creates something that triggers the same reaction as an anatomical face

(this is how cartoons work, physiologically speaking) and a beginner is easily surprised because she created something novel even without drawing skill.

I don't really think you can waste time practicing Loomis. Eventually you'll learn the actual form. It's a myth that anyone can somehow exclusively practice loomis for a few months.

But more importantly, all the slides you posted look fine to me (the back musculature is particularly novel)

>people would say its /beg/ tier shit and laugh at it

that's not strictly true (it is literally /beg/ tier shit because that's the point of it... isn't it?)

>when i started wanting to get good

...

post work

>>3455440
Those eyes look like they don't have eyelids. Your lines are dirty try to clean them up more before shading. Didn't erase the lines going through the legs. Tips for sketching always keep your pencil sharp. If it gets to dull the lines will get too fat and messy. Only use a dull pencil for sharing and sharp point for line work. I always have 2 pencils for drawing.

>>3455718
>reddit spacing
Yup, going into my cringe compilation
>(it is literally /beg/ tier shit because that's the point of it... isn't it?)
No
>Loomis does one thing well -- he creates simplifications of the (actual) form which are fun and rewarding for beginners to practice
You mean tell the reader to draw symbols on a circle? Fun with a pencil is literally that and its fucking cancer
>post work
Here you go buddy, post your work too since you asked

>>3455725
>that fucking head
yeah you need loomis buddy

>>3455725
>shit talks loomis
>scared to post work

yup it's /ic/

>>3455522
No. Where are your line of action? Gesture is about drawing the flow of the form. What you're doing is drawing the contours of the figure. That should come after you have drawn the gesture.

>>3455675
>book teaches about basic construction of the human body for beginners.
>complains that it doesn't teach about gestures not for beginners.
Ok settle down there anon. No need to announce to everyone that you're retarded.

>>3455675
Anon thats like saying fuck this book on fundamentals teaching me how to draw cubes and spheres. It doesn't even teach me how to draw dragons. You can't call a book bad just because it doesn't have a subject you're looking for. you're making yourself look like an idiot.

>>3455725

ok

Doing ellipses and circles every day to practice, but how many decades before I can reliable place them without fucking up like pic related?

>>3455739
>gestures not for beginners
Lmao gestures arent for begginers? Are you ok retard?
>>3455727
>that fucking head
Hope youre just cracking a joke not actually that much of a redditor
>>3455728
>scared to post work
The burden of evidence is not on me friend
Posting werk is /ic/ version of Godwin's law, it turns the discussion to shit, also since its ic you cant post werk and not get shit on

>>3455624
I draw both of these today

>>3455749
>since its ic you cant post werk and not get shit on

there's a difference between a) posting specific and harsh critique without bothering to be polite, b) and projecting your insecurities by shitting on everybody (including loomis may his soul rest in eternal peace)

anyway I actually do like hampton more, but it's because hampton assumes you know perspective already, whereas loomis sort of views perspective in the context of figure drawing and he's not really anal about it as long as the features are intuitively in the right place (hampton meanwhile draws all the construction lines)

you never said anything specific, you were just like "here are some pages I don't like" and then blame the master's book for making you a bad artist (?). the last time I got "shit on" was six years ago when I had the nerve to post a badly traced pencil drawing of jordan carver. anyway I think you need to chill out in a fucking flower garden and draw frogs or some shit until your attitude improves

holy fucking KEK the assmad on this board is fucking hilarious. you guiss.... you dont have to be assmad that people that do this for hobbies are gettin gud okay? dont worry, we arent trying to take your job or gf or whatever. youll git gud and make it too and everything will work out.

>>3455420
Post a pic

>>3455760

I like the feet placement

torso is too long

the anime eyes don't go with the heroic (?) body proportions

>>3455777
thanks anon

Sketching for tower girls. What can I do to make her torso look better?

>>3455787

I mean you still gotta make your gesture look less ridiculous by studying the underlying anatomy, but it's definitely not worse

Could you tell me what I should improve?

>>3455803
I know
it is nice to know that your work is at least worth commenting on.
I'll try to improve, then come back

>>3455807

specifically the neck and collar bones, and to a lesser extent the direction the torso is facing. that specific pose looks a lot more natural with the head pointed more towards her left (facing the gun) but the torso is still a little off.

there are some pages in
>hampton figure drawing design and invention pdf
that may be relevant

>>3455812
found it
deal with it later
thanks anon

>>3455805
ear is too big, eye brow too high on one end, hair needs more volume, hand is bigger than head. short neck, very wide shoulders, breasts too high, her left eye is a bit too far in

>>3455747

draw from the shoulder, holding your pencil like you're pointing a finger (may need to sharpen pencil with a carving knife etc.)

get a big piece of paper and do not move your fingers

this is impossible to do on digital without a huge surface, to the extent that I do all my construction on physical paper, so if you're using digital then stop.

the good news is that you can get very accurate. if you watch Vilppu or Watts draw ellipses, they move the point of the pencil repeatedly in circles, and when they apply pressure it's the average of all those ellipses that creates the shape but still perfectly accurate (if this makes sense). this is representative of the accuracy you can expect by using your shoulder. the bad news is you probably will never draw nice big shapes using just your fingers because that's physically impossible.

>>3455725
>leaving out blank lines before quotes because of redditspacing meme
HAHAHAHAHAHA

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>3454951
>this is who tells you not to fall for the loomis meme

>>3455893
post ONE fucking screencap of me saying not to study loomis

1-F. As soon as I started the exercise I completely forgot the point was to focus only on parts of the drawing. I'll try to find something more mechanical to draw tomorrow and try harder to remember that I've got to focus. Maybe I shouldn't drink before trying to learn how to draw

sometimes i really wish someone put a gun to my head so i wouldn't be a lazy fucking bum

>>3455905
>sometimes i really wish someone put a gun to my head so i wouldn't be a lazy fucking bum
>getting someone else to do it for you

a lazy bum until the end huh

>>3455906
kek

>>3455760
The spine is broken. Try to mimic the pose yourself. It's not possible to bend sideways that much.

>>3455797
Give the torso a little more form. It looks like just to straight line on either sides. Where's the rib cage?

>>3455899
>>3455893
thought so faggot

>>3455724
>>3455598
Thanks for the feed back, heres something else I did if you wanna help again

>>3456029
Good work clean confident lines. You gotta work on your human anatomy though. Arms are too thin on the girl. The eyes are too big and close together. I say just study head and body proportions more.

so I've been trying to get back into digital art since I spent more time doing stuff with pencil and pen (will post a few traditional studies when I get the chance later), and I thought I needed to get down greyscale values before remotely touching anything with color.

>>3455899
Why do you recommend people to study Loomis despite the drawbacks you mentioned? What are his upsides?

>>3455797
flat chest is a good meme, but the chest isn't actually a block

>>3456041
Looking good anon. I can't say how to make it better, but I'm liking it and hope you do more.

>>3455776
I can do better torsos when using a model but despite training my knowledge of anatomy isn't helping me making me something that isn't this.
Not being able to do anything from imagination, not even super basic simplified mannequins is becoming a huge bottleneck as I'm just only being able to copy. That can't be right can it?
Ignore the arm and line quality I just woke up and just wanted to show the main issue.

>>3455597
I dig it

>>3456080
There are these block mannequins people recommend for drawing humans in perspective with volume, maybe doing some of those exercises might help you add some to yours.

Stuff like here >>3455654
I believe most artbooks on figure drawing have a chapter like this

>>3456091
Always seen them as a post-gesture step but "block forms help to develop your sense of bulk" does make them seem like they're what I should be practicing yeah. Thanks.

>>3456041
good values but some things like the chair are way off or assymetrical
the whole kettle is tilted
starting in b&w is a good idea too so keep going

>>3413118

Wanted to take a quick break from KtD so I tried this. I'm hoping I'll get better as I progress through the book.

>>3455069
>Calarts

>>3456060
ive literally never praised or criticized the loomis method directly and have only used it the world loomis as a substitute for the phrase 'i need to study portraiture more often to improve'

> i just found this board like half an hour ago and thought it was cool
just made this in a short pd of time, and ive never read a book or taken a class, ive just drawn since i was a kid. what should i start with as far as beginning to work on technique? i dont think im good at all rn, i just like to draw to give myself a picture of what my characters from my paracosm look like.

>>3456419
i forgot a whole sentence

where should i begin with working on technique? i reall want to hone into my drawing and actually work on it instead of just DOING it

>>3456419
Read the sticky

so i recorded Karl Gnass's Spirit of the Pose Videos from new masters academy when they had that whole 10 day for free thing going on, but is his stuff actually good and worth going through? anybody looked at it before?

>>3456418
My bad, you made it sound like you disagreed with Loomis' methods. I take it you don't then since you literally just denied having ever criticized it.

>>3456422
Depends on what you want to do. Technical drawings? Realistic cartoons? Cartoony cartoons? Manga?
All of those need vastly different skills and techniques and cannot be combined easily. /ic/ wants you to think that a classically trained western artist can do anything by "just stylize it bro", but it doesn't work like that. If you go by /ic/ recommendations, a proper dynamic, deformed manga style is out of your grasp, you will never be able to do it. At best, you'd get that typical western manga/manfra look like Wakfu that looks "inspired by manga" but is very obviously not Japanese.

>>3456422
>>3456419
Read Loomis Fun with a Pencil and Figure Drawing for All It's Worth. Then if you just want to do anime, go find a bunch of tutorials from tumblr or /ic/ from artists who do the same style you want, for as long as you're happy. If you feel like you're still not at the level you want to be at after then, come back and we'll recommend more books. This process should take close to a month, but you still have to sink a lot of hours and effort into it.

>>3456432
Not him but, how then I go full manga style? What resources should I use? I already know that simple principle that if you want to draw animes you actually need to draw damn animes, not loomis heads or something. But, Is this everything I actually need? Besides fundamentals.

I want to get good.

>>3456444
Yeah, who needs anatomy or shit. Not like that is ever useful. Fuck the beginner shit, let's just jump straight into drawing the uugoo eyes and block out most of the body with a speech bubble, "ONIICHAN~". It's not like Nips spend their entire childhood being bashed over the head with realism and drawing from life to reach their current state in their twenties.

>>3456450
ngmi
not enough loomis

>>3456450
>still using your native language when naming layers
Red flag for when you decide to promote yourself desu

>>3456463
Can you read?
>But, Is this everything I actually need? Besides fundamentals.
I said "fundamentals" which include literally fucking everything basics - shading, anatomy, construction and so on. Don't put your words in my mouth. I just think you need to apply basics to you preferable style, anime or whatever you gonna do.
You never gonna get gud at anime if only thing
you do it's a fucking loomis heads.

thoughts?

>>3456486
i like em how long you been drawing friend

>>3456486
Now draw this much everyday

>>3456492
On and off for a few years. Now trying to finally git good and draw regularly.

>>3456505
This is some of the better stuff from the last two weeks. I wish I could finish this much in a day.

>>3456513
what pencil is that? mirin that soft rendering

>>3456430
i used a mix of hogarth loomis, proko. loomis doesnt explain shit like the side circle being about 2/3 of the main circle to get the proportions of the face right but explains other things better like different face types and using the word "negroid" shamelessly (there was a thread about this a couple days ago). each teacher has their pros and con but i would say loomis is like the alphabet of portrait and proko is the grammar in terms of one being more general and the other more specific. but then i again havent really looked at either in months, thats just how i remember it

Turd polishing faggot here again, posted this today for /pol/. You might remember me from a couple of similarly posed pictures here, I've been drawing for exactly a year now.
I'm wondering if my self-crits are on the right track:
>dislocated right arm and hand too small
>lost perspective on the landscape
>too saturated in too many places?
>still blurring like a retard

>>3456466
Plz no.
>>3456468
For now I don't want to promote myself. Just know what's wrong on my drawing.

What skill level is the Bargue book? I kinda like that method, no text, no anything, just reproducing the plates. I've been doing them consistently for a few weeks now, each day I do a few of the drawings. It's slow but I find it very rewarding. However, it seems to me the Bargue book is for more advanced drawers and I'm a (better than average) beginner.

>>3456110
Just did an overlay in photoshop to see what I did wrong. I made the jawline a lot more wide. I don't know how I'm supposed to notice these differences as I'm drawing if I struggle to see them even after. Will I be able to spot differences better over time? Or am I too stupid to learn how to draw good?

>>3456517
I mostly use H5, H3 and B2.

>>3454629
Thoughts?

reference
https://www.instagram.com/therealcatato/

passable?

>>3456603
looks like they holding up the page

Randomly remembered this cartoon and thought I'd draw one of the characters.

Any thoughts?

>>3455580
I guess you'd rather act like a child and have a tantrum than improve. Oh well. Just don't say nobody ever offered you help.

>>3455597
Looks good to me anon, what brush/settings/program did you use?

>>3456041
Go post in the drawthread this isn't /beg/ tier anymore

>>3456671
The body naturally balances itself, so having both legs favor the same side like that would cause her to fall over. The leg on the left of the portrait needs to compensate for what the other leg is doing. Her ear and nose are in a different perspective than her cranium. It does look nice, though. Fix those things and it will look great.

>>3456704
Thank you.

Where is her ear and nose supposed to be?

>>3456708
Currently the view we have of her cranium is between a frontal view and 3/4 view, though much loser to a frontal view. We know this because of where the center line falls, how much of each eye socket we see, etc. However her nose is in a full 3/4 view. This is because we see only one side plane, and a greater amount of side plane to center plane. As well, the bridge of the nose is "behind" the cartilage indicated by a "T" overlap, meaning we are looking at the nose from below, which does not fit the view of the cranium. As for the ear, it also has the 3/4 perspective when we should be seeing much less of a 3/4 and more of a frontal view.

Got sent here from the /alt/ general. I know it's rough, what can I do to fix it?

>>3456871
learn the fundamentals of everything

>>3456871
drawabox.com.

Do the first few lessons. Take your time. Drawing form is the first step to making good art that feels real.

This shit is so confusing. I get the 2 markings from top to bottom are "arbitrary" (the top of the raised arm to the foot) and that she needs to find the midpoint of the figure (which duh happens to be the pubic area) but why is she putting the pencil down on the paper, ticking off a mark and then shifting the pencil to the top of the paper to find the midpoint?

It PERFECTLY matches from top to bottom using the pencil almost as if she didn't want to mess up or make it too complex on camera. I was so angry about not getting this I had went out and bought some dvd explaining it instead. Now it makes more sense but the bitch in the video doesn't explain it well.

doing a study of a drawing I found in painting book.

how is it going so far?

ayy lmao this is the most complete thing i've got , what did i do wrong aside from actually creating it

>>3456603
You're not good enough to be cynical

>>3456871
What everyone else is saying, get your fundies straightened out, but also, be extremely mindful of what you're doing as your drawing. It looks like you had an idea, but just went in head first before building it.

>>3456961
left tit is fucked. right shoulder is jutting to far right for a girl. Gotta keep those shoulders more narrow than the hips. Also next time, use a less stiff pose. It's okay as is, but you might want a better posture to make it feel natural from your perspective

>>3456982
As it stands this is the height of my ability, thank you for the (you) though anon.

>>3456982
>left tit is fucked
how? redline please

how do i do bargue's on traditional if i cant print off the plates

how do i know if my copy of the plate is good

>>3456990
I don't have an exact photo to match your image's pose and angle, but this might help

>>3456990
not him but I'm guessing he's talking about the dip line when connecting towards the shoulder

Drew something for fun for the first time in a long time, messed up pretty bad around the hand area but I think it's cute

very very unrelated, but this seemed like a decent enough thread to ask.

Anyone know what painting this is from?

>>3456997

>>3456871
Copy your favorite oldschool animu mechs

Im gonna give up on this one.

>>3457205
You should keep working on it.

>>3457205
see it through to the end.

How do you do the Thanos "erase" effect in clip studio? Like making a solid character begin fading to brown at a certain point and then getting turned into little shreds of dust. Kind of like the facebook picture filter, except I want mine to look alright and not lazy but I don't know where to begin

tldr how do you make a solid image fade in csp
pls respond

>>3457209
>>3457228
I'm not sure how to, I get to this point and it seems like every decision I make gets worse

Is this even a style? I cannot draw and color normally. I'm more inclined to painting.

>>3456687
what are you even talking about? how many times do i have reiterate that i dont have to study loomis nonstop and i can work on other stuff instead?

>>3457236
Nobody at all?

>>3455845
I'm trying to use my elbow/shoulder as much as possible and am drawing large.
Out of maybe 20 tries I managed to align them decently once. Feels bad.

>>3457276
>i dont have to study loomis
Yeah, because pumping out those ugly turds you call portraits is such an effective use of your time.

>don't have any friends or family that can pose
>can only find awkward or super-stiff stock photos on google
How the fuck am I supposed to progress through keys to drawing if I have nothing to draw
I'm ngmi

>>3457338
You're looking for excuses. Pose for yourself in the mirror, take a picture if you have to.

>>3457345
I tried to draw my dog, but she got weirded out by me staring at her and got up and walked away
Oh, and yeah, excuses are nice
I found a photo, but halfway through it was really bad, so I crumbled up the paper and stopped drawing
You don't need to tell me, I know I'm NGMI
Thanks for reading my blog

>>3457323
lmao. you stupid fucking nigger, do you just not read or pay attention to anything and ramble on about whatever you want? i didnt even say that or imply anything remotely close to that greentext. seriously whats the point of trying nitpick at things you want to imagine i said?

>>3457205

was listening to music and had a need to draw so i just started. i can't get everything out form my head yet but i was able to draw a former king in a pile of his former castle, mirror in hand and battered robes. going back to drawing


got it from the song viva la vida quote is "Be my mirror, my sword and shield"

>>3454671
>being absolute beginner tier for 3 years
I'm so sorry anon, I don't know where we failed you.

>>3457428
>absolute

>>3457428
>>3457434
oh and id attribute it to the lack of redline/paintovers and incessant insistence of the "study moar" auto reply

>>3457428
It's okay anon, you did your best. It was all on me.

>>3457437
this anon is NOT me. i dont use perfect grammar for 4chan like some faggot and it IS all YOUR fault 4chan. all of it

www.reddit.com/r/ArtProgressPics

just be glad im not reddit tier progress so take solace in that

>>3457440
A break from studies and time for some smut.
I can't into backgrounds.

>it's another eric thread

>>3457502
why do you like this character?

>>3457544
I do not, never even seen the show, but I drew a triangle as a placeholder for the head and it looked like her hair (A friend was complaining about the character getting shorter to me a few days ago) so I rolled with it.

>>3457548
she has a penis for a head.

>>3456041
Don't be afraid to push the values on the highlights and the darker shadows; yours are too mild compared to the reference picture. Bottom left part of the hotpot is rounding off too much.The bulb thing on the top is too round/squished. The chair is a bit off to the right, the edge of it starts by the midend of the handle instead of the part that's closer to the pot itself. You may also want to look into how to properly draw reflective surfaces like that, because it almost seems like you don't quite know what you're doing on that front.

This is good so far though, so keep it up.

somebody suggested loomis.
Now there was no reference, and I left it with the supposed skeleton sketch or dont know how is called.

maybe I should stop trying to practice with weird egyptian heads. and just basic shapes. also this notebook is 21.5cm x 15cm, maybe is to small to work.

>>3457575
You're right on basic shapes, you're stage 3, try to go for stage 4 and luckily getting there comes with practicing the basic 3D shapes. Keep it up because for no reference that's not terrible.

>>3456603
Draw Misty for me/

How do I get over my fear of colour and lineart?

I can't remember the last time I've coloured a piece because I always make the drawing look worse by redoing the lineart and colouring it I'm too used to sketching and then scribbling in some values.

I'm still using reference photos and when it comes to coloring, I know there has to be shortcuts in photoshop but I really don't even know where to begin taking advantage of brushes and opacity and the tools available.
Any suggested reading for digital painting?

>>3457597
Work on line weight and where to make your lines thicker and where they should be thinner. That'll help greatly for making your lineart look appealing. Color, well, you pretty much focus on learning color theory and then practice shading. Takes a while, but entirely doable.

>>3457601
If you are doing anime you don't need opacity you can just use cel-shading using clipping mask and multiply layers.

as for painting ctrl paint is the only thing I know.

>>3457597
By doing more coloring and line art. It's the only way.

>>3456601
So no crits? Okay guys I get it. It doesn’t even deserve feedback ;-; jk but please help me improve...

>>3457597
Just do it, if you ever want to improve you have to stop worrying about "ruining" something and start working at it. You need to be drawing more so you stop valuing every drawing so much.

>>3457111
Critique pls, the book said it was pretty important

>>3457738
Well, jaw, neck, ear, eye-pretty much everything- are way off symmetry. The entire thing has a muddy aesthetic so you can't really critique anything because everything is being hidden. The neck and neck shadow are decent.
Paint cleaner and you'll see your mistakes instead of hiding behind those 'crazy' brush strokes.

>>3457111
Overlay your thing with the reference, I'm not looking the reference up and pixel perfect mimicry is the only lesson that bargue plates are supposed to give anyway. You don't need to ask for critique.

>>3456866
Bump.

>>3456866
back left leg is completely broken

>>3457770
Thanks for the critique. I will try to study anatomy a lot more. The intention was for that backleg to be forward, but it looks like it's dislocated and sticking out.

>>3457774
It's more a perspective thing, think about where the leg would be positioned.

At this angle, if the leg was forward, it'd be underneath his belly. The front paw is also odd on the left, I think the line for the leg should extend up to its shoulder right? Rather than the line for the belly extending forward to where it does. I may be wrong though.

>>3457753
Do I just keep doing it until I get it perfect once?

who /idiot giving up/ here, honestly I wanted to begin something, but after some thoughts on my drawing abilities I'm probably gonna just give up.
>inb4 keep trying

maybe some day, but I don't know if i will i don't really know proportions worth a fuck, the only art supplies i have is an old sketching pencil kit and a cheap decently large sized sketch book. Even if i tried, it wouldn't fit something large and complicated unless I'm gonna be beginning with small stuff it still would still be a waste i don't have many pages i couldn't erase mess ups well because my erasers are trash tier that only erase some parts of it but keep shit still seeable on the paper. If anyone says go buy decent art supplies i live in a shitty small town it would take me more then an hour to get somewhere with more decent art supplies, even then its michaels or some shit where they don't even sell good tier shit.

>>3457802
man what the fuck are you posting for someone to convince you or not? because you seem pretty sure you're not gonna continue

have you read keys? that guy tells you not to erase, just restate. go do the book. you dont need good paper, a good eraser, or good pencils, you just need a pencil and paper.

>>3457802
You could have left quietly you know. No need to leave a reply nobody cares.

>>3457802
>town so small it doesnt sell paper nor pencils
lmao aight

really early but any glowing anatomy or w/e mistakes before i move on?

>>3457807
Nope never read keys, know a good pdf to it.

>>3457809
its a small rural town btw, i already have sketching pencils and shitty erasers as i stated.

>>3457815
go read it. actually read it, and do the projects.

just google keys to drawing pdf.

>>3457338
try looking for a live drawing group in your area and see if you can make it to a get together with them. It'd make sense for people to pool their money together to hire a model, what they probably can't afford by themselves.

>>3457379
>was listening to music
Stop that. Listening to music is horrible for practice or learning

>>3457821
why

>>3457822
Music mellows your independent flow. If there is a bit of you thinking about whether you like or dislike the music, that is an escape for your consciousness to not think about your drawing. Every deliberate choice you make from every line is a learning experience when you're starting out. It may sound like exaggerating, but it is real important that everything is focused on what you're doing right now when you're practicing and learning and you can't spare the time on a good song or a bad song. Music will make you slip away and put you on an automatic mode of just brushing your paper willy-nilly
That's not to say never listen to music. On Sundays when I just want to doodle I'll throw on some music and relax, but key word there is relax.

>>3457820
I'm attending one already
We might get a live model soon, we're at least going to get some busts/figurines in to draw soon, but until then I want to push through keys

i hate this
is there even hope
i'm so fucking bad

>>3457896
Remember your procedures for starting a construction

I have a real issue with just rushing through shit.
I struggle to spend any actual time on a piece unless I'm really super confident it's gonna be worth the time. Like, I'll rush my construction, it ends up shit, and so I think eh nah. Just really no patience for individual pieces, so I end up spending multiple hours rushing a lot of small pieces, instead of the opposite.
Any tips? I know it's a subjective and stupid question, but I'll take any ideas.

>>3457924
How long have you been taking art seriously?

i hate that its so easy to imagine things, like energetic poses and perfect perspective but putting it on paper is such a huge task

>>3457924
just spend more time on construction, if you dont think its worth your time why are you spending time on it?

>>3457928
Seriously? Not very long at all, like 2 months? By serious I assume we mean studying, reference using, etc? Then yeah.

>>3457930
It's that the piece is worth the time, not the activity itself.

>>3457933
then why are you doing it? if you don't think the piece is worth your time don't bother. do something worth your time.

>>3457933
>Seriously? Not very long at all, like 2 months? By serious I assume we mean studying, reference using, etc? Then yeah.
Then don't worry. It takes time to gain patience. Just try your best to be patient. I ascribe that most fuck ups like us need to take the hard road to get the discipline to buck up. I spent two years fucking around halfheartedly in art, before I gained the patience to sit down and actually work. Definitely should have gotten my shit together sooner, but then again, I'm stupid like that and have to be retarded before I get it. Maybe someone can suggest something better to time yourself, but I can only prescribe repetition

>>3457944
Alright, thanks.
Yeah I'm forcing myself into spending at least 3 hours every single day doing art. I've problems that have essentially wasted the past decade of my life so even just drawing for the sake of hand to eye coordination, confidence, etc, is a big reason why I'm just making a 1920x1080 canvas and just filling it with whatever, and doing it multiple times a day. I find with things like Barque plates I'm able to be patience, as every line is important and I can actually see why/what, etc. But imagination drawing is always the shit I rush, I guess cause I actually don't know exactly what I'm doing.
Thanks again, anon.

>>3457930
>imagining energetic poses and perfect perspective
>easy
You're not actually imagining them my friend

>>3458008
what could that possibly even mean
ive been exposed to enough drawn media and life to imagine plenty of things

>>3458014
If you could imagine it in decent detail you could draw it, all you'd have to do is put down lines and compare them with the ratios and angles you've got in your head
I'm guessing what you're imagining isn't a scene but an impression

>>3458020
what? no, you're wrong. there's plenty of things we can all imagine in decent detail but can't draw. are you telling me someone who with a very good imagination who cannot draw still should be able to draw everything they can imagine?

>>3458025
If I showed you a figure in a dynamic position and then told you to pick that same pose from among 10 other figures, all of them from a different angle than the original one and 9 of them in slightly modified poses, you'd have a hard time picking the correct one because you're not able to just imagine each figure from the original's angle to check whether it's the same. Spatial thinking is a commonly tested cognitive skill for a reason bro, learning to draw isn't only acquiring the technical skill to draw what you're imagining, it's also learning to imagine as well as learning to use construction and mental libraries to help your brain with imagining difficult things and details.

>>3458049
maybe, but maybe i could.

I fucked up the jawline but I think I got the tones OK. 2-E from Keys.

still feels like i using contours instead of LoA but what you think.

Thoughts? About the image and what you're doing right now.

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>>3458367
You're right about the contours, remember that the lines you place for gesture don't have to correlate exactly with the contour, try doing 30 second drawings if you want to get in the habit of ignoring contour

If you're developing a figure, volumes come later. I'll spare you a shitty ms paint redline but your gestures could definitely be simplified a lot more.

On the other hand you're using wrapping lines and showing the simple volumes of the ribcage and pelvis, and didn't do a bad job capturing the action, so good on you for that, you're almost there, and you seem to understand the issue

Just keep doing it until it really feels right

>>3456601
Head seems to short, Jaw is crooked and the neck too far right (viewer's perspective).

>>3455040
Darken your values in the hair and shirt, or else you risk everything feeling too samey and blending together. If you’re going to have a simplified drawing, make sure the arms and legs have clean, smooth lines. The legs right now look too lumpy.