/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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But this isn't a drawing board

If you wanted more with your life, you should achieve your goals.

>>3452775
Hes not dead yet, anon.
That comes later.

>>3452757
No, drawing isn't a good hobby.
It takes a lot of time to get decent and before that happens it hurts to look at your own artwork.
If you aren't obsessed with an idea of drawing, then I would suggest finding a different hobby - maybe lifting? Girls dig fit guys. And it's healthy.
If you're sure that you want to make pretty pictures, then consider photography - it's a comfy hobby and nowadays even a cheap second-hand DSLR can make really decent photos.

>>3452757
I left anime and video games for drawing. 3 months later, I can't comeback to those, and have no interest in drawing anymore.

>>3452757
if that's all you're doing now you must not have any drive. knitting is better for you

>>3452757
Yeah, it's a lot more fulfilling than animu and vidya (drawing has replaced both of those for me). It does take a lot of time and effort to get decently good, but you'll have the rest of your life to reap the rewards, whereas in vidya there are new games out every year and in the end you don't get much to show for all the hours you put in.

>>3452757
No it's not, unless you started at a young age or have a hidden talent you're going to be drawing like shit for a long, long time. You have to do a lot of studying and devote all of your free time just to make a small progress in gitting gud.
Learn something more practical like, programming, it's just as fun and you'll actually have a chance of making money down the road.

>>3452887
>programming
>just as fun

Someone who has never programmed in their life.

>>3452757
I really enjoy drawing anon, it's good if you have the drive to create something. If you just want to do something to feel like you aren't wasting your time, then youll Sri be wasting your time. Honestly if you enjoy video games and anime just watch that man, I don't see the need to do something "more" just because society tells you what you enjoy doing isn't worthwhile.

Do what you want and don't regret it.

>>3452757
If you are still in your early-mid teens I would say yes, while it is a cheap and enjoyable hobby it takes years to get good. People who are good artists were usually talented as kids and thus had enough of a boost to their self study. Or they had intensive study, usually under tutelage. You find a lot of good artists have been drawing since they were little kids. If you are in your late teens or later chances are you'll just get frustrated at how long it takes to get good. There aren't any short cuts to the time commitment short of really intensive training and most people don't have the will to commit multiple hours a day to practice.

You might like coloring though, its much easier to get fast at that and adult coloring books and lineart are easy to find.

>>3452757
Instead of asking, you should just try it out. No harm In doing something new.

And theres nothing wrong with indulging in games and tv every once in a while. But you gotta do things in moderation. If I decided to try and marathon OnePiece in a year, I would nevrr want to see another shonen anime ever again.

Learn how to cook, go runnIng every day, do some writing. Fail at lots of things but keep trying because thats what lifes all about! Dont be afraid of a little pain, instead look at your failures and say "good, now what can I do to get better?" Life is full of hardship and failure but the worse thing you can do is to give up before even trying. Most people do that, not try, its easy.

>>3452763
This.
>looking for hobby like you are in a fucking grocery
How is this even possible to be such a soulless zombie without any passions?

>>3452757
What about a job? Why is art the first thing you think of when you want to do more with your life? Sounds like someone is lazy and decided to pick the easiest thing to pick up doing.

>>3452757
honestly no
with art you have to be either extremely talented or sacrifice all your time just to be halfway decent at it
>I want to do more with my life than just watching anime and paying vidyeo games.
if you already have a job you're contributing to society. Don't stress out because people like to shit on what you enjoy

>>3452757
Drawing is too mainstream, and since money is involved, everyone is bitter as hell. It's better than programming because at least you can see what you're doing and people are slightly more grounded here about their earning potential, but it's still pretty shit.

>>3453038
>looking for hobby like you are in a fucking grocery
>How is this even possible to be such a soulless zombie without any passions?

>just watching anime and paying vidyeo games.

The answer is self-evident. How is this even possible to ask such a stupid question?

>>3452757
not if you need to ask.

>>3452757
Not if you have depression because you will get one everytime you draw.

>>3452757
Yes if you don't want to be really good, everyone here will tell you how bad it is and all the suffering but if you just don't care about your own skill it can be fun.

no

get into running and reading instead

>>3452757
Depends on your goals, but it's as good a hobby as any other.
Buy a few HB pencils, some cheap copy paper, and try out Keys to Drawing as mentioned in the sticky.

>>3452830
Agreeing with this one. If you keep it fun and do things because you enjoy them then it can be like the best MMO ever. Plus the level cap is infinite and you can get real world rewards.

Some of my favorite artists are hobbyists too, who work in an office or lab for their real job and just do art for fun. I think hobbyists might even have an advantage with their mindset to people who take it too seriously and pile too much pressure on themselves.

>>3453819
Can confirm hobbyists have an advantage. I graduated from art school, burned out after working a year at Target doing illustrations for baby clothes while not working on any personal projects.
Now I work at a firm designing websites and get to spend my free time drawing for fun.

>>3453851
>burning out
Are the people who "burn out" the same people who wonder how the chinks are so good?

Will the west ever have the work ethic to understand that burning out is a lie of the undisciplined?

>>3453906
westerners btfo

>>3452757
You'll just get frustrated and give up after a few months so dont bother.

>>3453851
>>3453906
>>3453933
Is burn out actually a meme? I've heard the Chinese have intense school hours, studying, homework, cram school, and then even art is intense. Everything is intense, yet they survive. How is that possible?

>>3454563
Ask yourself what kind of fuccboi nu-male would say that they're "burned out" and you have your answer.

Men work. As effeminate as chinks are, they at least haven't forgot what makes them men.

>>3454563
They have bug brains.
Doing everything like a worker bee comes natural to them

>>3454567

>>3454563
Its just different mind set, they trade misery for success where west would do whats easy then suffer. And most people here pretend to be the first one just to feel superior but never actually work.

>>3454576
Trading misery for success. That's interesting. So the more miserable and depressed I am, the more successful I am?

>>3454581
Just move to China if you like their work culture so much. (Just don't bring up Legalism lol) Or maybe realize the west became so successful because they have a saner approach to work and life.

>>3454588
What's the saner approach to work and life that the so successful west has?

>>3454588
Or maybe realize that success breeds complacency, especially to the next generation.

>>3452757
I want to do more with my life than just watching anime and paying vidyeo games...someday I'll beg for money on the internet while drawing mediocre faux anime cheesecake,

bold dreams

>>3454589
Don't work yourself to death is a good start.

>>3454590
nice clickbait

>>3454591
>Is drawing a good hobby to pick up?

>someday I'll beg for money on the internet while drawing mediocre faux anime cheesecake, bold dreams

Yikes

>>3454592
>I drew for 10 hours today, I think I'm gonna die!

Get a grip.

>>3454594
Are you saying you draw 10 hours a day?

>>3454603
No because I would obviously die. I keep it at 9

>>3454607
What are you trying to say? Death by overwork is a meme? We're horrible, lazy people for not drawing x hours a day of our own volition?

>>3452757
gotta agree with anons over here, this is not a good hobby, drawing as a hobby is just a normie myth

>>3454615
> Death by overwork is a meme?
If your work is to draw, yes.

>We're horrible, lazy people for not drawing x hours a day of our own volition?
Nah, nobody gives a shit if you draw or not. Honestly, it's probably better if you don't draw very much at all.

>What are you trying to say?
People who claim burnout from drawing are straight up pussies. But then again what do you expect from someone who chose art as a career path

>decide one day to pick up drawing as a hobby
>"wow this is fun! maybe I should go on the art board on 4chan and see what kind of tips they have!"
>become redpilled about fundamentals, taste and how high the skill ceiling is
>can't enjoy drawing anymore because my drawings are shit
>think the only way I'll really enjoy drawing again is if I become good enough to live up to my new ridiculous standard
>realize that if I get that good I might as well become a professional
>3 years later
>still trying to git gud, severely depressed, hate myself, can't quit drawing or kill myself because I've already invested so much time and I have to much pride

Taking up drawing as a hobby is literally the worst thing you can do.

>>3454642
>4chan redpills you on taste

You didn't like big anime tiddies before?

>>3454642

It's a never-ending process, isn't it?

>>3454643
More like I could distinguish the good anime tiddies from the bad anime tiddies.

>>3454649
Pop quiz, hotshot.

>>3454650
Good.

>>3454650
Is okay.
Not particularly interesting stylistically though.

>>3454652

Cute, tho

>>3454654
Most competently done anime-style work is cute by default.

>>3452757
is the best one: cheap af, makes you seem sophisticated, and you can literally draw naked girls as much as you want

>>3452763
that's the point. some of us don't aspire to convert the thing we love into a soul crushing, mundane job

>>3454657
If the thing you love can be turned into a soul-crushing, mundane job, maybe you don't love it that much

>>3454661
How do I love it more?

>>3454661
>I love my current soul-crushing, mundane job more than my hobby
wow thanks for the redpill

>>3452757
imagine doing hobbies not because they interest you, but because you need to seek validation and be good at something to impress people

that would be depressing wouldn't it

>>3454669
>imagine doing hobbies not because they interest you, but because you need to seek validation and be good at something to impress people
>that would be depressing wouldn't it

only if you think validation and impressing people is depressing

>>3454669
Imagine doing anything to seek validation and impress people.

>>3454661

I can imagine how it can be a soul crushing, mundane job... but I think no matter what, you keep going back to it.because love.

>>3454669
Is there something wrong with that?

>>3454675
Chess is honestly way easier than art. Just follow the chess tutor and memorize all day, no creativity required and you can slap around people on r9k/sci/tg/wherever

>>3454678
idk i'm pretty good at chess and it's pretty intense mentally but its not really comparable to art

>>3454680
it shouldn't matter if art doesn't interest the person in question
>imagine doing hobbies not because they interest you,

>>3454683
>imagine being so stupid that you actually believe there are people who do art with no interest in it

>>3454687
>imagine inventing these people in your head so you can be superior to them

>>3454687
If it can apply to other things, it can apply to art. I lost interest in programming a while ago, but guess what career path I'm stuck in.

>>3454700
You probably didn't follow the thread.

This is the original post:
>imagine doing hobbies not because they interest you, but because you need to seek validation and be good at something to impress people

It doesn't apply to art because nobody who does art as a hobby can say in good faith that they have no interest in it. Programming is not a hobby for you.

>>3452757

Drawing is probably not a great hobby. You will suck at it unless you put in a LOT of time and effort. Can you be happy sucking at your hobby?

Art is good if its your obsession, not great for dilettantes.

>>3452757
I am doing it as a hobby and as you can guess, suck at it. But I love doing it and want to do it for the rest of my life. Progress might be very slow, but just imagine doing something everyday for the next couple of decades.

>>3454567
>I have never visited japan, china or any other asian country
>t-they must be bugs! how else could they be good at something?
Is it true the eternal amerimutt never travels outside the US?

>>3454735
Yes, traveling is extremely expensive.

>>3454642
>redpilled
anon

>>3454739
I have a single mom but because I dont live in a 3rd world shithole like the US we traveled plenty when I was a kid

>>3454735
But having principles in life and working on things you believe makes you a bug? Then I'd rather be a bug, because I struggle even with drawing eight hours.

>>3454752
>drawing eight hours.
Be careful, you might die

citation: >>3454592

>>3454756
>Not handling it like any other job
BEGONE

>>3454735
Its totally because im american and never left the country because asians are bug people with no emotions and work themselves like ants haha

>>3454756
Why are you being so hard on yourself? You're not a worthless NEET loser just because you don't draw 14 hours a day.

>>3454966
>draw 14 hours a day.

ishygddt

My cousin died from drawing too much. Take care of yourselves, anons

>>3454987
>What's the saner approach to work and life that the so successful west has?
Surprisingly, I was talking about work and life. You mentioned this stupid "drawing for X hours" how many times now?

>>3454943
Sure anon. If that helps you with feeling a little bit better about yourself. haha...

>>3455000
>Don't work yourself to death is a good start.

Real insightful bud. I'd love to hear more advice regarding "work and life" from you.

It turns out the west became successful by not working themselves to death!

>>3455022
Better than your doomsday predictions about China will overtake us all

>>3455025
Not sure why China would overtake us all when all the chinks are busy working themselves to death causing a decline in economy and population

>>3455032
While you shitpost and assume things based on your feelings they draw and improve.

>>3455032
that's literally Japan tho

>>3455042
It's not China? I thought it was China

>>3455032
China's economy is rising though.

>>3455046

Not according to this guy:

>>3454588
>Just move to China if you like their work culture so much. (Just don't bring up Legalism lol) Or maybe realize the west became so successful because they have a saner approach to work and life.

>>3455049
Yeah but feeling and having numbers to back it up are two seperate things.

>>3455053
You mean he just pulled shit out of his ass? I never would have thought...

>>3455049
You'll get so mad when you hear about France and their workweek. How a bunch of pussies got so successful in art is completely beyond anyone's comprehension.

>>3455055
>How a bunch of pussies got so successful in art is completely beyond anyone's comprehension.

Not really... it's just a sane approach to work and life

>>3455057
You realize that hiding behind this many layers of irony just makes you look like a retard, right? Anyway, hours worked is a hard number, USA still number one, work smart no matter what crabs try to tell you :^)

>>3455059
>You realize that hiding behind this many layers of irony just makes you look like a retard, right?

Another golden nugget to go along with "don't work yourself to death"

>work smart no matter what crabs try to tell you :^)

Yes, all these crabs are always telling you to work harder.