/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

how I get better?

>>3442293
resize your image, learn to run perspective lines through your drawing to do the creature's bilateral symmetry justice

I haven't been drawing that much after I finished Loomis Fun With a Pencil couple of months ago(I had no clue where to head next after that book, still dont). Now decided to pick up drawing table and see if I remember anything loomis taught me.

>>3442293
I dig these kind of weird creatures.
Also, what do I need to work on ?

>>3442293
I dig these kind of weird creatures.

What should I practice ?

>>3442399
>What should I practice ?
Drawing the whole figure.

>>3442399

Feet, by the looks of it ;D.

I actually quite like your face, and everything above the hips seems fine, but your legs could use some work. More detail, better posing. Try a more dynamic pose- not from the side or the front, but something diagonal.

>>3442293
Looking at that thing I hardly want you to get better it's creepy as fuck. Just keep practicing and make...creepy...meat things. For that kind of stuff you can only get better if you keep trying over and over.

Both of you take my advice as you will though, I'm only a beginner myself. Thanks for the big sticky btw, it's been helpful so far!

How do I do studies? I feel like I'm just mindlessly copying. Yeah, I'm getting better at copying but am I actually learning?

How do I think like the artist? How do I take it all in? I feel like I'm not learning shit.

>>3442368
Copy lots and lots of hands.

>>3442293
You don't. This is it anon you've finally made it. Congrats!

trying to paint from a reference. The proportions look pretty bad, even after trying to measure

I think this is the best sketch I've done so far.

Does anyone have any recommendations as to what books they think I should be working with?

Currently been doing Keys to Drawing and just doing little sketches off of references like this.

>>3442492
Cute, but I think you should try to make longer, smoother lines, instead of short strokes. The wing of the bird should also be closer to the body, it looks like it's lifted up in the picture. And the beak should be reworked a bit, make it a little longer and it should be more apparent that it hinges at the middle, it looks like the birb is wearing a balaclava. See pic related on how a beak is normally attached (presumably in easier to distinguish colors than your reference had)

>>3442506
Thank you for the advice, I will try it on my next bird. I do normally draw long lines(you can see on the tail) but the bird was a bit fluffy looking so I went back over it to add what detail my brainlet could handle.

>>3442481
does this help?

>>3442431
Check out the book 'Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters' by Robert Beverly Hale.

i want to learn the history of art from the renaissance til now

where do i start?

>>3442518
the renaissance

>>3442513
In that case you should look a bit more at the way that the feathers are structured. You can see that they are mostly following a streamlined profile, flowing from the head to the tail and along the lines of the bird. The back of the bird for example is very smooth so your drawing should be longer, elegant lines. The abdominal region is a bit more fuzzy, but still very streamlined. The beak should be a hard line, not as fuzzy as your drawing.
A note on the wings: When adding detail to them, try to complete the feathers, don't just draw a lot of lines that just kinda end. Again, they are very aerodynamic, so smooth lines are the best here. Look at wing anatomy, which can give you a good idea on how these feathers are drawn and how they look like when tucked away.

how the fuck do hips work

even when working directly from reference i'm having trouble having the place where the legs connect look natural
i donno where they start and how

>>3442368
It's good to test your retention. I'd reccomed trying to construct a refrence using the lessons in Fun with a Pencil. from there find inconsistencies. At some point reread fun with a pencil and see what you forgot or remmembered wrong. One thing I see is all of these guys seem to have a case of sameface.

I'd also recommend Keys and Right Side in general. They're more for drawing from refrence, but knowing what life is supposed to look like will help you better design imaginary things.

So I;m going to art school this august. In my personal work I usually work with heavily stylized characters and dynamic poses (like in children's books), Any feedback on this piece? It's my friend's dnd character

I have forgot how to draw after reading books

>>3442431
Repeat your last study except draw it rotated 120°

>>3442514
update, still looks pretty weird
>>3442481
tried to change some things (i couldnt understand some of the lines you drew). Some of the things i notice i have to fix are the mouth and eyes

>>3442595
lol i messed up the replies

>>3442516
>>3442593
thank you

Thoughts?

>>3442595
I think the easiest fix at this point is to move his left pupil (your right) more to the side, so it looks like he's actually looking at something. Look at how the eye whites don't match up.
His bottom lip is also too full on his right (your left).

>>3442541
That's a good idea, thank you for these ideas.

I spent more time doing measurements this time instead of just eyeballing it.
I still have a long way to go, I hope I can fully finish a piece by the end of summer.

>>3442003
>>3442015
>>3442017
>>3442046
>>3442113
>>3441999

You people have no idea what it's like to be me
Holy fuck I wish I could draw. I wish I could draw I wish I could draw I wish I could draw. Why can't I do anything I don't fucking get it. Why did I have to be tortured by being surrounded by talented artists all my life meanwhile the only thing I was good at was consuming. I am a mindless fat pig for the slaughter , not an artist.

>>3442736
it's completely different from the picture now

>>3442782
it is never too fuckin late to learn. literally just pick up a pen or pencil and any type of paper. that's it. draw fucking ANYTHING. if you get so caught up in comparing your shit to professionals you are just gonna stop. fucking look on deviantart if you want to feel good about your art. look at all the shitty sonic ocs and learn. there are plenty of instructional threads. complaining like a little bitch does NOTHING. fucking pick up a pencil and practice

>>3442783
Atleast its better than the last shit I spewed out

>>3442787
How is deviant art supposed to make me feel better? Fuckin tails gets trolled looks better than anything I've done in my life. My hands don't work

>>3442812

I've been looking all over for John Vanderpoel studies. Does anyone know where I can find them all in one place?

>>3442782
Post your work.

>>3442832

>>3442836
Yikes

>>3442812
nobody cares about your gay self-pity you dipshit, get out if you're not gonna post anything you've drawn

>>3442801
Looking pretty good. Keep it up bud.

>>3441999
fucking waste of trips
>>3442782
>>3442812
stop your self pity act and do something right with your life for once, stop spiting bulshit out of your mouth and take a fucking pencil you brain dead retard, If you're gonna do nothing but whine and wish for a fucking deity to shove the fundamentals up your ass you better stop shitposting and jump off a 10 story building. stop being such a waste of air

>>3442801
they look like robots
artificial skin for them, its prety creepy and I like it

how do you develop creativity?

>>3442905
I spent a lot of time as a kid waiting for family court to finish up. I got creative as a way to pass the time.

>>3442836
>bronyshit
I think I can see the problem here.

>>3442905
That is an interesting question for what I have no answer
But it should be the easy part, the problem is always having creativity but lacking skills

>>3442848
>>3442894
>>3442816

WHERE DO I GO THEN? ??

I CAN'T IMPROVE I'M A FUCING. GORILLA

>>3442977
>>>/mlp/

>>3442977
your first steps to beginning to be able to succeed without breaking down first step probably involves your general practioner

>>3442977
>>>r9k
also checked

>>3442977
Draw something, you dumb bitch, read Keys, copy life, fuck it up, do it again, fuck it up less, repeat until you can copy life.

Jesus Christ, Disney "When you wish upon a star, your dreams come true" characters are more proactive than you.

>>3442836
What even is your issue? Why do you think you can't learn to draw?
Just
>open an art book, Loomis or Hampton, whatever
>copy every drawing
>try to draw it again from a different angle

Unless you've done that you don't have the right to complain about being bad
Right now it seems like you're only shouting "I'm bad and untalented" over and over so you can muffle the voice in you telling you you have yet to actually put effort into trying to improve

How do I improve my lil head doodles?

I feel like i have some problems with boobs, but i can't find out what exactly wrong.

>>3443093
the boob on the viewer's left is good (affected by gravity and stuff. the one on the viewer's right seems like it's only connected to her body from the top. look up the muscular structure of women's chests and connect the fat lump to the bony ribcage. there is an inbetween irl. if there isn't the girl is annorexic and wouldn't have notable tits in the first place.

>>3443083
Take my advice for the massive amateur drivel that it is, but I tried to consider more realistic proportions when i thre wthis together, for example the cheekbone sticks out past the the side of the face, and the nose starts a fixed distance from the top of the lip and I just stopped it wherever since the space it normally goes to would be in the middle of the eye.

>>3442935

i guess at the point i'm at, i cannot tell whether or not a lack of skill is a problem or a lack of creativity, though i hope it is the former.

I've been working on Keys and I'm not sure at what pace I should be moving through the activities. I think I have a problem with excessive restatements that stems from bad observation. Should I try to address that in the hand exercise before moving forwards or just keep going?

>>3443139
Just keep going. It's more important to see what's in the entirety of the book before you go back.

>>3443123
Finding ways to fix a nose onto a cyclops' face has been one big issue I've been trying to solve in doodling this character, lol. But I like your drawing! The cheekbones sticking out more is some advice I could really use. Most of my heads look strangely thin and pointy like in the example I showed.

>>3442600
I hate that video

>>3443093
to my knowledge nipples don't face the same direction and her right breast is sloping in a way that makes sense that the light on her left one does not reflect. Take this with a grain of salt.

I'm a beginner and I'm wondering if I'm doing the gestures right? I watched the Proko videos about it and I think I'm getting the gist of it?

Trying that ctrlpaint thing finally instead of being a lazy boi. on the "blocking in color" part, would like critique before I go to the rendering part. Yes I am aware the plant isn't exact, and that the colors as of now dont 100% follow the ref. but its my first time doing color digitally so cut me a little slack pls.

thank

>>3443161
your stick figures feel like old men that can barely move without collapsing from back pain
keep doing stick figures, but think "exaggerated, tom and jerry cartoon" for now

Drew my first real anime girl drawing today, wasn't intended to be a loli/midget-looking abomination. It's pretty much my first semiserious attempt at drawing ever, though its just a placeholder for a game I'm working on. Also, Is there a better way to draw than phtoshop+paintbrush? I'm not really looking to git gud since I'll try and find an artist later, but some tips to help in the meantime might be good.

>>3443184
Hah. I did notice they were really stiff. I'll keep the exaggeration in mind. Tom and Jerry is a good way of putting it.

>>3443186
You ever play one of those old Newgrounds dating sims? They took anime girl drawings, did a shitty trace over them, and called it a day. That might be what you're looking for if you just need low-effort, mediocre placeholders.

>>3443190
That's not a bad idea, actually. I'll look into it.

how do i learn to do gestures mark hampton's way? i've been trying to do them following both his online course and his book, and compared to his course the book seems utterly useless. even after watching the course video about gesture making though i still cannot make a decent looking gesture. anyone know how to progress from this stage?

>>3443203
Post your gestures

>>3443204
alright here's one where i followed the tutorials (these look alright though i don't think they're too great) and i'll post the ones i tried doing on my own soon (and the ones i'm trying to do on my own are the ones that end up looking very ugly)

>>3443204
alright here's one where i followed the tutorials (these look alright though i don't think they're too great) and i'll post the ones i tried doing on my own soon (and the ones i'm trying to do on my own are the ones that end up looking very ugly)

>>3443204
and here are some i did just now trying to imitate his style without doing it alongside him in his course

can I get some tips for painting this? It's supposed to be a forest with snow and leaves on the ground during a foggy/overcast day.

I'm struggling with cleaning up the edges and I don't know if the colors are passable.

>>3443203
Currently with the same problem
I just passed the gesture drawing and making construction even if it tells that gesture is the first step
I end up frustrated with gesture drawing and I dont want to abandon drawing ever again
Will check his course

Is it worth it to get the more expensive Wacom with less pressure sensitivity for the brand name or the GAOMON with more pressure sensitivity but it's a literally who name?

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wacom-cintiq-13hd-interactive-pen-display-black/9162124.p?skuId=9162124

https://www.amazon.com/GAOMON-Drawing-Monitor-Shortcut-Wireless/dp/B075WSRLC6

>>3443231
https://mega.nz/#F!8qA2FLDQ!9ADn1WRz-YcH7H9M3i11dg

>>3443233
I'd be iffy choosing Huion, no way would I go more obscure than that for a four-hundred dollar purchase.

This shit is really hard (for me, at least). Any criticisms or comments?

>>3443233
I went with an ugee tablet and its been pretty good, anon. But if you're really worried about it all save for the cintiq.

>>3443258
I am proud of you for keeping at something even though it's hard, and you should be proud too. I am bad though so I cannot offer critique but you inspire me.

>>3442184

>>3443161
No, these are very stiff, allow yourself more time if you are restricting yourself to 30 seconds or whatever, you can speed them up later once you get the idea

If I get a drawing tablet with an IPS screen does my computer monitor still needs to be IPS too or can I get a TN screen for that added frame rate?

>>3443224
Use longer lines, and try not restating unless necessary.

>>3443217
>>3443224
I can tell what action they're doing, and that's all that matters. Move on to construction.

Is it worth it to pay 100$ extra dollars to get a wireless tablet?
How bothersome are the cords in your opinion?

>>3443314
Not bothersome at all unless you run out of ports or you're computer is far away from you.

>>3443279
thanks for giving the time. i see now what i should do differently, and i really appreciate it. i think one of the biggest issues though is that next time i really should try to find a reference like another anon suggested because the pose itself feels pretty dumb. thank you for sparing the time to redline anyway though for me

maybe the left eye a bit bigger. maybe the nose a bit smaller

>>3443305
alright, i'll start on that though i will try to perfect my gesturing

>>3443304
are you sure? hampton's approach calls for a lot of restatements

>drawing on a tablet is suffering
>drawing on paper is actual, physical suffering

What can you do about neck strain that isn't getting an entirely new desk

>>3443258
keep going and don't get in the trap of just drawing the prototype head. try to work on a process of going from head construction to real life heads. you'll have to learn gender differences of men and women. that profile one on the bottom, the lips/jaw area is really wrong.

stopped drawing for a few weeks due to life but kept studying. won't be stopping ever again because of how it felt like starting from nothing when i picked up the stylus again. forgot how nice the design pencil felt in csp for sketching digitally, going to go back through hampton with it.

ref was the proko free model pack and fumbled through things left to right right after one another.

>>3443258
Why is it that when ever I try these, the eye ends up really tiny?

Is it ok to scribble a shitload of lines when you're trying to get the gesture right? Seems to be the only way I can reduce the 'flow' correctly.

>>3443446
Post it, lets see what you mean.

>>3443446
try not to. among all the lines the correct one will be there but it will be lost among the shit. restate maybe only a few times. you want to get in the habit of only needing to draw one and not feeling like you need to correct it. one line won't ruin a drawing.

>>3442137
this is my first time actually putting 1 hour on drawing, i generally rarely draw but i want to get into this hobby in the future because i seriously need a new one plus i always sucked at drawing so i why not do something about. im also physics majors so i need a great drawing skills because my physics diagrams are abysmal and looks generally bad.

so here's my drawing of that picture in the step 1 of the sticky guide that i originally drawn upside down.

>>3442137
How do you guys regain the grade-school love for drawing?

I know my art wasn't good in any technical sense as a kid, but the older I get, the harder it is to just enjoy drawing for the sake of creating something. Same for writing, actually. I used to be able to slog through both for like 3/4 hours a day on school days and all summer, but that's been like 10 years ago and I'm actually worse now than I was then. I can't put the passion into it anymore for some reason.

So I took a tiny break from reading books and copying exercises and I tried my hand in drawing from my immagination for the first time in months. The result is a bit stiff, but after all I haven't been around studying gestures yet, how would you make their poses more alive? Also any other critique?

Tool too long of a break from drawing. I spent a year putting off finishing "drawing on the right side of the brain" (even thoigh in that tine i got all the materials necessary fir it)

but now I stopped being a puss and started the book again from scratch. This was the first exercise and I kinda hate the way I look here since I had to draw my fat chin. I'm gonn

>>3443150
why would you hate this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOue9nW6tNg

>>3443480
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrapposto

>>3443491
For the next time then don't forget about sighting and comparing measurments, the lower part of the face seems to be too long and the eyes are maybe a bit too high

>>3443496
>>3443491
Yeah I meant to point that out, that seems to be a slight weakness I have.

Looking at my drawings when I tried the book the first time they look shittier than I remember

>>3443502
>>3443496
Forgot to mention that I had to borrow my grandads hand mirror and leaned it against the mantle, so I had to tilt my head a bit. My fave looks longer and fatter tilted forward.

Only time I'm not an ugly ass nigga is when I look up lmao

>>3442736
I really like your line work but you lost the essence of the reference. The tilt of the head is completely gone and your drawing is really static.

The overall shape of the head is completely different from the reference, the child like roundness is quite lost at the moment. The gesture of the head is gone.

Keep practicing the construction and lay in of the first 5 minutes of the drawing more - do quick studies and warm ups (like 3 minute heads) before starting more detailed piece. You're gonna do good portraits sooner or later.

>>3443502
Don't beat yourself too much about it, eveybody starts somewhere and drawing the face of somebody just from memory is a challenge even for experienced artists. Try to finish the book in at least one month this time (and that's being generous) and remember of everything it teaches, write notes if it helps you not to forget

>>3443508
Yeah I'm glad I have all the materials so I don't wuss out. I even wussed out of keys to drawing but I said to myself let me do right side since I'm more familiar with the book.

The drawing I did today is better then the shit I did 2016 right? I think it looks better, but I just wanna make sure I'm not in the wrong

>>3443518
It's a good choice to start with the right side of the brain because it's more begginer friendly than keys to drawing.
And it does, if you didn't mess up the lenght of the face it would have been pretty good, but as it is it's still an improvement, you'll see that at the end of the book you'll be able to draw something pretty accurate to reality

>>3442550
Honestly looks P good. Work on lighting as your entire figure is not lit correctly by the light source (sword) and ambient light.
It's a great dynamic pose but the outstretched right arm looks awkward (try doing the pose yourself and you will see why). hand could use a bit of work but overall I enjoy the piece. Everything I've mentioned will just get better with continued practice.
>>3442736
As mentioned by other poster- the angles are all off. The eyes look good by themselves but do not resemble that of the drawing at all. That being said I think it's pretty good. Moving forward just remember to measure angles as well as proportions.
>>3442801
as a value study this is great, but i think if you removed the lineart the rendering wouldn't hold up. Either way good job if this was a study for mapping 3-4 values. maybe lay off the airbrush for a more painterly look if you were going for actual rendering. One thing i do notice that you got wrong is that on the upper left hand portrait's shadow side, you essentially have values that are the same as values you have in light. this should not happen (e.g. underneath his right eye, that patch of light is the same value as the light midtones almost as well as under his nose). the overall form should dictate the value e.g. light and dark and contours within the large form should be adjusted accordingly.
>>3442905
nothing is truly creative. go out and experience the world and mish mash your experiences, sights and sounds.
>>3443093
draw a centerline on her left boob (our right) and you will see that the nipple is smack dab in he middle which IRL it isnt
Overall like it though. the ribcage on the horse body is a bit jarring though.
>>3443161
don't take this the wrong way but in my eyes gesture is advanced/intermediate concept as its quite subjective and up to the artist to dictate/exagerate. judgin from your lines i'd say focus on proper proportions first. gestures will come over time as you practice.

>>3443440
enjoy the looseness of these and the emphasis on form. On the right track. I think taking some time to measure the figure as a whole would help as the legs look really short (unless the ref was just like that- i dunno).
>>3443176
remove the lines- I guarantee your rendering doesn't stand up by itself. That being said this is a hard ref as its studio lit and rendering forms is hard as its x100 more subtle than dramatic lighting.
that being said- you are completely missing the highlights. you also didn't render the shadow where the bamboos meet each other. Pick a better reference or stick to rendering monochrome forms for a while. color just confuses the issue.
>>3443139
keep going. also I wouldnt get stuck on the hands. you should be doing hands every so often regardless of what phase of the book you are in. this goes with every concept your learn.

My neck hurts. Not even after a long time drawing, only about 10 minutes and it starts to ache. I'm not particularly fit or unfit either way, nor am I skin and bones. Should I build muscle or is it my posture?

>>3443387
buy something like this

https://www.google.be/search?biw=1368&bih=817&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=gtsHW56zKo34gQaPwZvIBA&q=book+easel+amazon&oq=book+easel+amazon&gs_l=img.3...16158.18307.0.18534.7.7.0.0.0.0.67.443.7.7.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.1.67...0i19k1j0i30i19k1j0i5i30i19k1.0.Fq10HyrqaRg

>>3443273
Thanks anon, that's very kind. Just trying to put in the work and hopefully come out the other side.
>>3443397
I haven't got to the mouth area yet in terms of studying how to build it, so I didn't really have a clue what I was doing there. I will eventually build more organic shapes once I've touched on all the facial features too. Still have to study eyes, mouth and ears.

can anyone recommend an art reference book with lots of face close ups and simple things like fruits etc?

>>3443464
Good initiatie! It's obviously quite shaky looking and needs improvement, but you're on the right track. I recommend reading through Bert dodson's keys to drawing, as a beginner it's a book that really helped me figure stuff out.

Im happy with the inking here, rip me up lads

>>3443464
I’ve seen much worse

>>3443950
just kys

>>3443950

Hair feels like it is impossible to do well. I just can't figure out what to do it is too chaotic.

>>3444146
Gorilla hand.

>>3444156
Yeah I fucked that up. Any tips? I don't really know how to improve.

>>3444058
That is the theme of the drawing

>>3444160
Draw from references, draw without references, just focken draw.

Does anyone have any advice on measurements? I try to copy over but my measuring is always off so it's wonky.

>>3443562

i don't think this image belongs on a beginner thread. people here (myself included) still need to learn to draw accurately from reference. introducing such advice is probably harmful to people just starting out.

>>3444146
Hands are hard, it's best to learn perspective and anatomy if you really wanna get good at drawing hands but for now focus on just drawing, and measuring and proportions.

Not >>3444179 but I'm on the same page, struggling to get measurements right.

>>3443562
Is he talking about our cone of vision?

>>3444146

>>3443442
I've been jumping between hampton, proko and loomis. I find it really helpful to get different perspectives on things.

tried some twisting positions with the bean. I am wondering if I need to exaggerate the twisting more. Did one robo bean as a warm up. Any tips, or critiques on the gestures will help.

tried to work in what I learned from Hampton to this sketch.

gonna make the tail more fluent and I have no idea how to do the hair.

tips before I go further?

r8.
Left from a reference, right from scratch
Also some questions:
How do I make hair look better?
Any tips for shading?
I'm using mypaint and been playing with the brushes but I can't find one similar to these >>3444219 >>3444323

>>3444376
How do I become handsome like Wittgenstein

>>3444323
A-are these from imagination

>>3444392
no I did use reference. Next time I will have to try and fit the pictures in for the 1000 pixel limit

>>3444179
>>3444189
Just compare every easy to read length with every other one; as you improve you learn what comparisons tell you the most and go for those instinctively, until then you'll just have to compare angles and lengths with everything you can

In your drawing the right isn't as angular as you drew it and the forehead is longer, there are some easy comparisons to make to notice that while drawing but I think you can find some yourself, try it.

>>3444397
oh alright back to procrastinating
made me competitive for a second there

>>3443494
why do you even like it in the first place?
its neither funny nor interesting.

>>3442137
hey guys. I drew 100k circles and it was really satisfying. I'm planning on doing more. My next project is pikachu...

Here is a youtube video of the timelapse if you're interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZUGntos4cI

>>3444410
Draw 5 careful circles
I want to see if that made you good at them

>>3444376

>study real life forms.
>draws symbol animu

>>3444410
The absolute madman. 100k boxes when?

hey guys i painted for the first time. what do you guys think

>>3443562
gotcha, let's replace the entire sticky with perspective tutorials

>>3444387
No idea. but damn if his philosphy isn't dence. I tried...but i'm not at that level of intellect yet.

>>3444376
are you *absolutely* sure you did the right drawing from scratch?

>>3444487
wym it's simple
>all thoughts are mental simulations of rearrangements of the facts that construct our world, and only that
>as such facts outside our world cant be simulated
>as such you literally cannot think about metaphysics in a way that would actually carry substance and not just be mental fucking around

are there any alternatives to CGpeers for tutorials

>>3444433
I want to draw anime, man
>>3444494
No I messed them up lol, left from scratch, right from a photo

>>3444376
Either draw it until it looks better or look at how other people do it. Just pick spot where the light is coming from for shading.

>>3444511
Both look nice. You can try drawing the animu gril from different angles or work on bodies.

>>3442137
shitty 50 minute figure from a gesture drawing session
>>3444501
bump for interest, specially for schoolism and nma videos

>>3444565
Well done on giving it form
Poorly done on the proportions, looks at how short them legs are

>>3444573
thanks, I almost never use crosshatching but it came out, kind of not-completely-shit.
proportions biting me in the ass again, its either eyeballing it and get complete shit proportions and midly shitty gesture or austistically measure, and not get past drawing the contours.
I really want to get gud at eyeballing proportions tho (or proportions in general), I doubt i will have the luxury of measuring when i draw from imagination

Hi. I started drawing about 9 months ago. My first big goal is to make a webcomic once I'm good enough. I take a lot of inspiration from Jean Giraud and Bill Watterson.

>>3444584
I believe in you anonkun

I'm not sure if there's an official gear thread or not, so I figured I'd just ask here.
Is it worth it to shell out an extra $10 for 6 more colors when it comes to Supracolors? Or should I stick with 12 and learn to color mix?

>>3444584
go for it. hope i find your webcomic when it comes out.

>>3444584
That path illusion is nicely done.

Just started drawing about 2 months ago, any suggestions

>>3444146
Stop trying to draw every strand of hair, just draw the flow of the hair

something I drew a long time ago

>>3444659
Another i drew slightly later

alright here's my first painting of a sketch i did. I still prefer real paper but im trying to get the hang of digital

>>3444730
here's the original drawing

>>3444697
Last one

>>3442836
*unzips fly*

>>3443464
>physics
nigga in what do you specialize?

>>3443464
spend lots of time tracing circles and straight lines
it won't get you noticeably better at copying picasso drawings, but it will help your diagrams

>>3444501
your wallet

>>3444818

>>3444741
*unzips dick*

>>3444404
it gets better every time i watch it

Hello, I was just wondering if anyone had any tips on drawing metallic surfaces, like rods, shiny gold highlights on clothes, or flat bars. I had my first year of any kind of formal education on art last year and only started drawing digitally on my phone in late February, so im kind of lost on how I'm supposed to do it.

Thanks in advance, I'll post my picture later, I'm not quite done with it

>>3444497
The book i read was more about the substance of language and that it can't convey the concept in our minds. Because language is lacking and as such nothing can be said that would be understood by anybody. But maybe i just didn't get it. My german isn't the best anymore.

>>3444924
the key to drawing metals is high contrast. metal will often have very bright spotlights near very dark tones.

>>3444858
>Either clear case of NGMI or going to luck out hard and make a lot of crabs very angry

I've been reading Steve Huston

>>3442137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzTY02HYOfk

>>3442137
oh wow my piece of shit got selected for OP image woohoo
y'all were right, need to figure out what the fuck I'm doing with head construction before I start rendering, but decided to keep rendering anyway while making some adjustments

still looks like shit, but now at least it doesn't look like a crappy painting of a knockoff elliot rodgers got put through the wash

gonna finish this up (probably redo part of the ear and back of the head, looks too far up and really boxy then redo it in a year or so, probably post a progress shot in here then

>>3445327
if i were you id just stop wasting time trying to fix it and start from 0

>>3445331
i'd rather not leave it half-finished as such, don't wanna get into the habit of getting a really good draft and initial start but not knowing how to polish my work

but yeah i get what you mean, it's probably a bit of a waste of time but at least i get to fuck around a bit

>>3445338
And rendering fundamentally flawed works won't build terrible habits?

>>3445343
not if I'm aware there's shit to fix and work on next time around

yeah a polished turd is still a turd, but you gotta learn how to polish that turd

>>3445331
>>3445327
It's important to see your pieces through, especially in the beginning, so you can recognize your mistakes and learn from them. When I used to take music back in high school, the teacher would always get frustrated when the drummer would make a mistake and start the song over again. "Don't throw away the entire performance, fix your mistake and keep going"

>>3442137
trying out a cartoony, comicy style, how can i get better?

>>3445476
first thing that comes to mind is to copy lots of hands

Critique the face please. Harsh is fine. All I hope is that someone recognises it.

>>3445493
Funky lips and eyes without eyelids. I like his eyebrow though.

Guys, I was thinking, if you set your mouse to a low sensitivity, so you had to move your entire arm to use the mouse, would that not help develop the muscle memory for precise arm movements?

trying to get down lights and darks

While this study was done for measurements and proportions, I need to start applying deeper values.
Pretty satisfied with the result tho!

>>3445493
try putting a straight line between the chin an the middle of the eyebrow.
youll see how crooked ur facer is

>>3445568
im afraid i dont see what you mean

Can i get a redline on my proportions. I literally want to draw lolis fighting each other and getting graped by mega dragons

looks weird

>>3445588
jesus christ

>>3445588
MOOOODDSSS

>>3445588

>>3445565
Is that a shit-monster?

>>3445588
I tried it before but my anatomy and perspective are still relatively low

I need something to actually sit down a practice whenever I say I want to draw something but I can't get what I want out. Shapes? How to better do gesture, speficic body parts? I don't know what to fucking do and, I get annoyed when things aren't going my way but I don't want to stop drawing because of that because I'll never get anything done.

>>3445634
Ive been told you should power through your frustration. If you stop drawing EVERY time you get irritated, youll never grow. I think you should try getting the idea out on paper regardless of how it'll look. And figure out why its not correct. And make those corrections.

>>3445605
Is this really a thing? Muscle bound dragons stretching the fuck out of a vulva? Why? This shit is right up there with that one DA autist that draws green hulk men abusing bimbos.

>>3445634
Draw this.

>>3445493
Donnie Darko?

>>3445603
Is it that bad?

>>3445662
No no im literally asking if its made of shit. It looks like a poo monster.

>>3445663
no its more like a long neck floppy hippo

>>3445641
Hmmm...well stretching is a thing but probably not in this fashion. Also lmfao with that hulk rapist part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaP7ZIDnlJQ

some low effort shading on the bottom left guy

>>3445634
>Pretty /beg/ myself so take it with a grain of salt but
If at a complete loss as for what to draw and you've already looked through a couple of the books from the sticky, set a short and long term goal for yourself and work towards it. (Building towards whatever "end goal" you might have)
The longer term goal should be made up of lots of smaller goals that fit together at least vaguely, plus practice in general (applying what you've learned to your drawings).
"I want to be able to do X this week/month".
Start your day with some practices towards the goal.
If your goal is to draw an anatomically correct person from memory, that's really a difficult long term goal made up of very many parts.
Start with a simpler goal that's actually achievable. You don't need to restrict yourself to baby steps, but if you know you'll burn out by going too hard then don't go crazy with it.
I'm working on getting hands right from any angle, but I'm also shoving them onto my piss-poor drawings now and then to better understand tf is going on outside of this disembodied floating arm.

I don't get values at all. Everytime I try to do them it always turns out looking like this. Like I rubbed mud all over their face.

>>3445546
Some mice still snap or have smoothing so you're not getting raw input. Just use a drawing tablet.

Tried drawing some rib cage forms from different angles and used boxes a few times for perspective views. Any tips or corrections with the forms will be helpful

How can I improve my stiff, lifeless poses?

>>3445836
Because you're picking bad photos with extremely subtle value ranges. Find images with more dramatic lighting. Also need to work more on your measuring.

How can I improve my poses?

>>3445851
Give gesture drawing a try and see if you can learn to establish the line of action when trying to create a pose from your memory.

Just read the sticky and drew an upside-down Stravinski. Looks like he's melting but it's a start

>>3445858
Thanks! I'll check that out.

>>3445851
Is she standing on her tiptoes or flat footed? You need to show weight, Hampton's figure drawing and invention book along with Steve Huston's book are what I recommend (Vilppu drawing manual as well but not as instructional desu). Gestures my man.

>>3445850
Thanks anon, I'll try dramatic lighting out.

>>3445864
Flat footed. Well, I'm gonna try doing the line of action like the other anon said with gesture drawing for now and if that doesn't work out, I'll look at those books. Thanks!

FUCK THIS SHIT, I CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE!!11!!
WHY CAN'T I FUCKING DRAWW!!!
AUYHHHHHH!!?!

>>3445869
books are good for you, you're not going to understand gesture on your own.

>>3445871
sticky

>>3444441
I like it. From a tecchnical perspective I can’t offer much advice although the shadows around the girl looks messed up. It looks theres a dark halo around her

reading the sticky right now so im not sure if there is anything in there
but is there anything I can do if I have shaky hands, I have never been able to write nicely or take a non-blurry picture on my phone without something to support it

>>3445876
Uhh, give me some real advice next time, sweetie.

>>3445883
www.drawabox.com

>>3445647
That's the one.

Fuck this stupid fucking mouth however this is my best one yet I think.

>>3445873
what book?

>>3445836
>>3445850

Your studio photo was shot with three lights and lots of diffused lighting. Note the extremely dark shadows under the jaw and nose, because there are multiple lights shining downwards and bouncing off the walls (making it harder to draw like the other anon said).

Pay closer attention to where subtle highlights and shadows emphasize the edges. On the ear, left jaw, and eyelids (these are important), there are small value areas that define the features.

>>3445891
Open up one of the beginner art books in the sticky and copy every drawing you see and draw your own variations when the book fucking tells you to.
Pro tip: pretend you didn't see this so you can keep telling yourself you're not improving despite trying so very hard

>>3445922
>>3445876
Don't respond to bait image

>>3445842
These look to be from 'sculptors anatomy ' book. This is much too advanced for beg.

>>3445899
michael hampton figure design and invention

>>3445933
>Don't respond to bait image
what makes you think it's bait?

>>3445944
>bait

I couldn't find a QTDDTOT, so I'm asking here
What are the differences between the various positions related to art? Design, concept art, illustration, etc. Could someone please break it down to a somewhat digestible summary?

>>3445871
Looks like you're struggling with a mouse. Don't do that. Instead, draw on paper with long, confident lines and scan it in. Open it up in an image editor and adjust size, orientation and LEVELS.

>>3445873
Thanks!! I'll read that.

drew this

thought i'd share

don't know much about math desu

>>3445898
Im still a /beg with no tablet but i tried as best as i could with no reference and with a mouse.
the rendering in the drawing overall is really nice, like it a lot, looks like your main problem is drawing the head in perspective, in the reference you could probably see how you cant see both ends of the mouth at the same time at the same angle like you have, that's the main problem i think.
Im not really sure if some of the changes i made are correct compared to the ref but some include some proportional issues and your eyes being similar to a sticker slapped in the face, specially the left one which i dont think should be touching the edge of the face like its bending along the face, and i think they are a tad too big.
keep up anon, you will get nice results once you stop symbol drawing

Goddamn I need to spend a lot more time measuring :(

>>3445995
I appreciate the feedback, but you're a bit wrong. I know I fucked up the mouth completely, however I didnt draw the nose close enough to the edge of her face. Her left eye (our right) is a tad too high up. The head angle in general is a bit off.

>>3445995
you are still symbol drawing
her right eye is bordering the background, not firmly in place inside of her face

>>3446003
that ear looks a bit low

>>3446005
I see, the angle is kind of weird in your drawing s i based off of that, the part about the mouth still applies tho, even if not as drastic as I did in the picture, you drew it like a front view mouth and ignored the mass of the tubercule and how it behaves overall in perspective.
pic related
>>3446011
as i said, i didnt draw I just used liquify, eraser and the lasso tool to try to kind of correct it given the drawing he made

>>3446031
Kek you forgot to post the pic. But yes, I know. Cheers.

>>3446031
of course i forgot the pic

>>3446031
Actually I have a question, once I've drawn my loomis head what is the best way to draw the first feature the right size? Because all of my other proportions are usually based off the first feature I draw. I find I tend to struggle with this.

>>3446063
usually i star with the nose, since you have already your face divided into thirds its the easiest one to place correctly, obviously with careful measuring too, since not every head is the same.
but basically if you're using a reference try to see the sizes between the first feature and the contours of the face or if you're drawing from imagination draw it on the second third as loomis says.
from then on what I do is to find the relationships between the nose and the eyes, then the eyes and the mouth with the reilly abstraction, I dont draw it all tho, just what i need to figure out what i need to know, even pic related is a bit too much for me but its ok to illustrate my point

>>3446076
>reilly abstraction
is that in pic related?
not that anon but thanks, helps me a lot too

>>3446091
it is, there's some resources that teach how it works but afaik its kind a simplified method from what reilly used to teach its students.
Its really helpful in a handful of situations if you know how to use it correctly but it can catch you off guard if you take it as an exact formula

How do I stop being so shit? No matter what I do, what reference I have, or what method I use it all turns out so fucking bad.

>>3446120
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>>3446123
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>>3442137
Any tips on doing landscapes studies with a pencil?

>>3442431
You are learning. You should attempt to be active and aware while drawing from your references. But even "mindless copying" is helping get some info into your memory

>>3442481
Your lines u are using for measuring proportions look overly complicated. start off with aa cross; a single vertical line for middle of face, and a single horizontal line from eyes or brows. From there you can more lines but dont overdo it

>>3445566

that looks a lot like the ref! how long have u been drawing? i tried sketching that ref too but i always mess up the heads even with the pencil measuring technique

>>3442137
So June 1st is approaching and in addition to exercising more I am making it my goal to pursue art more seriously
I have nothing, just Krita and a shitty mouse. Managed to find one lone sketchbook lying around my house from grade school, too.
I've read the sticky, I promise, but I need some sort of metric to test myself by.
If I were to spend two hours with my nose to the grindstone training my drawing skills, where could I see myself by September?
My interests are drawing stylized demons and helping understand static motion so I can apply it to 3d animation. Also shading, definitely shading

>>3445851
Try drawing a more exciting pose than this.

>>3446172
no one can answer that for you, anon
but here's an idea: spend those 2 hours every day with your nose to the grindstone and find out how you are in September.
no one can give you the incentive, the prize, or anything like that. Only you can, by working hard.
its good for some people to catalog their work to see their progress visibly. maybe you could post your work now, and then down the line? it could help the motivation

>>3445871
You need to practice and study anatomy. This character's torso is all one piece, instead of a rib cage, waist, pelvis area. The character's thighs are also minuscule, giving the impression of spaghetti legs. It's also difficult to tell if we're looking at the character's front or back, it looks like the snout is facing away from the viewer but the bump between the legs doesn't look like an ass.

I also suggest you start constructing your characters out of 3d shapes, like cylinders, boxes, spheres. Check out the Famous Artists Course, or really any beginner book.

>>3446154
I started a month ago but for two weeks I was pretty busy with my job and wasn't feeling like drawing, trying to get into the habit of drawing everyday now.

>>3446172
Pen(cil) and paper if no dosh for digital. Why bother with the mouse?

Drew this from reference.

>>3446188
Thanks anon, I appreciate it.
I decided to actually draw a proper female for once, used a pic as reference but no tracing or anything.
It was satisfying having to erase improper lines once I realized how her figure was meant to look. I actually feel like I improved just in that short time spent drawing
Obviously I have a ways to go - this took 20 mins lol - but its a start.
I know this is garbage but I'm a novice. See you guys in 3 months.

>>3446225
I'll be looking out for your stuff anonkun, hope it goes well and look forward to seeing you progress!

>>3446225
Honestly read keys and once you're done with the chapter on measuring, take what you've learned and redraw this, for me at least, it made my drawings so much better almost instantly after reading those chapters and doing the projects.

>try to do a study of my hand
>individual contours are great
>immediatelly shit the bed with any fingers requiring foreshortening
>can't keep proportions in check
God fucking dammit, how do I stop this?

If I have an idea for something that'd only look good if done by someone with skills beyond my own, should I do it poorly to mark the idea as mine (and maybe later redo it), or wait until I think I'm good enough to do it justice?

>>3446273
do it so you can spot your weaknesses and learn what you need to improve on. try it again in the future. also your /beg/ idea might not be so great now but when you have more skills you can make it even better. it's better to try and draw a picture that's too ambitious than to not draw at all. maybe you'll learn something along the way.

>>3446272
10 pages of foreshortening exercises
10 pages of hands
Tonight

So I've started learning fundamentals. Perspective, drawing from life, line practice, etc etc. Been doing pretty well with it so far I think.

My question is: Am I going to fuck myself up if I draw anime for funsies when I'm not studying all of the important stuff? Should I be sticking to 100% life/life references?

>>3446291
post this in /AST/ too, they need all the help they can get

>>3446302
I feel like their answers would be biased.

>>3446312
My answer is to balance it out. Spend some time drawing what you want, some time grinding fundies, and posting work you're kinda iffy about here. But seriously, /AST/ needs your anime girl copies.

>>3446291
One of Loomis' books says its fine to copy cartoons inbetween studies.

you should be fine imo, granted ive been in beg for almost five years.

>>3446315
>five years
you've made it by now, right?

>>3446203

damn that makes me feel like I'm ngmi. I've been drawing for longer, albeit inconsistently, for longer and I cannot produce anything close to that in quality. what books did you read to get to that point?

>>3446313
>>3446315
Thanks, I appreciate the insight.

how do i draw from ref that's on a screen? it seems like that makes it harder because of the awkward way you have to measure but idk. anyone have advice for drawing like that ?

how do I improve? also are sycra's foundation of light and shadow tutorials good for someone who can't shade a box to save their life?

How the hell would you do the (from our viewpoint) left eye? I would've done it open but I just cant get the size right

>>3446340
The nose looks off, like it should be bigger and more towards the right of her face. I think that might be throwing you off on where to draw the other eye. And the blush should be above the nose, it looks like she has a mustache right now

>>3446291
Both understanding what you're stylizing and practicing as you go are both important, anyone that says otherwise is selling something or a crab.

>>3446291 #
Both understanding what you're stylizing and practicing as you go are important, anyone that says otherwise is selling something or a crab.

>>3446273
Just do It. You'll find out out idea weren't as good or as well thought out as you thought it was.

>>3446347
>>3446363
What's going on here?

>>3446340
Construct your head better and make a cross for the center of the face. Your hair is for a 3/4 face but your ear is for an almost profile view.
Your eye, eyebrow, and nose are too high. Eye is poorly angled. Mouth and especially nose need to be moved to the left.

Do you cognizantly have get better at drawing things from certain angles or is that a side effect "mastering" that thing? Like if you study the arm from different angles do you just suddenly know how to foreshorten a arm ? Or is it that you have to have references of different angles mentally or physically?

>>3446392
Can you repeat the question?

do i 'have' to use a fucking viewfinder for the drawing on the right side of the brain exercise? can i not just draw my hand?

>>3446394
I couldn't if I tried

>>3446395
It would help, but you don't have to. Just don't complain down the line when you can't get an angle correct.

>>3446340
Work on that construction niBBa. Always, ALWAYS get the construction down before putting in all them pretty lil' details. It will make your life easier and your drawings better. The head and all the features on them are 3D forms, it's important to remember that.

>>3446392
Learn its constituent shapes and you can construct at any angle. Small details, you will have to build a visual library from practicing at every angle.

>>3446392
Intuition.

>>3446332
Shade lots of boxes, shade lots of spheres, shave lots of cylinders.

>>3446392
Actually, it's the other way around. Learn how to foreshorten simple objects like rectangular prisms and cylinders. Use those simple forms to build the arm. All of the muscles and whatnot can be imagined as 3D objects wrapping around and interlocking with each other, like a machine of sorts. Break things down into simpler objects that can be easily foreshortened. It's like breaking a problem down in steps to solve it.
Here's some marginally helpful, grossly oversimplified crap to give you an idea of what I mean. Emphasis on 'gross' because I am waaay out of practice, not to mention not that experienced in the first place.

How do you know if you're going to make it or not?
I won't be in my applied art school next year, but my teachers say that if I wasn't so lazy and had more self-confidence I could make it.
Should I trust them?

>>3446491
Should I have more confidence in my instructors telling me I should have more confidence?
Really makes you think. Your work ethic also sounds pitiful if it's to the point that people are calling you out on it.

>>3446491
>How do you know if you're going to make it or not?
Right now you're not making it.

>>3446506
What do you mean exactly by work ethic?
I just couldn't do my homework because of how trash it was

>>3446514
That's what a poor work ethic is. Even if you learn nothing from it you still do it because of discipline, which you lack.

I want to start rubber hose style. Does this look good.

>>3446404
underappreciated

>>3446322
I've been going through Keys to Drawing.

Just started Keys to Drawing. I'm not too happy about how this exercise came out.

>>3446120
>no matter what i try to draw with my poor skills, it turns out poor, what gives?
Is this bait?

Stop doodling, open an art book and get to fucking studying

>>3445986
noice

>>3446658
That exercise is not about how it comes out, it's about what you learn from doing it. The point is to learn how to study a master's work. Don't focus on the result too much.

>>3446683
Thanks for the advice, the next exercise enforces exactly what you said.

>>3446491
>>3446506
I have some experience with this whole work ethic thing. If it’s a homework deal or trying to find time to practice and read, then you gotta regiment your day out and force yourself quite a bit to stick to the plan. It’s hard at times, but if you give yourself a set amount of time and plan ahead, it’ll hopefully help with that feeling of laziness.

I WANT TO MAKE IT

>>3446529
no idea what a rubber hose style is but the lines are simple and short, they should be easy to draw stop chicken scratching them, draw cleaner lines

Trying to practice Hampton+Random doodles.

>>3444146
Honest question, why did you decide to just sketch/color in the hair instead of drawing whole, flowy lines?

>>3446953
What book is this and why does it say such weird things

I feel like I got what I wanted out of Keys to Drawing, what do next?

>>3447327
I went onto the next book in the series; with imagination.
I like it so far, tho only like 10 pages in

>>3447327
what do you want to learn? for figure drawing i recommend a combination of steve huston's book and michael hampton's. there's also how to draw by scott robertson for perspective.

hi /ic/ I didn't see a qtddtot here so I thought this was the most relevant thread. I have a pretty slow computer and would prefer to have a real book infront of me instead. Would these be good beginner books? I found them cheap in a used book store.

>>3443227
You could try using a blend or blur tool to soften some of color's edges, try using another layer on top with a black, navy blue or dark gray outline

how did i do?