/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Did some sketches with mouse when my internet went down. Feedback appreciated :^)

>>3438775
Eyes are around the middle of the head, come on anon you know that

this guy looked a lot better before I took a picture of him honestly

>>3438775
>mouse

does your tablet requires internet to run?

>>3438777
which head did i eff up or are the eyes wrong on all of them? thanks for the feedback btw

>>3438793
dont own a tablet. hope to get one soon tho

when doing gestures the HAMPTON WAY, i'm trying to immitate the linework the way he does it. some anons last thread said that it made it look like i was working from my wrist rather than from my shoulder and that it is too scratchy.


so do i try to do it the hampton way or not!??! i am confused!

>>3438788
Top zozzle what the fuck

trying to get a non-fuzzy photo of this drawing, my back camera is broke. does this look ok?

>>3438813

very thoughtful and specific critique, you fucking retard

>>3438812
Think "long and wispy" and definitely continue drawing from the shoulder. It might help to start off keeping your hand close to your shoulder so it feels like you're squeezing your elbow.

>>3438788
stuff that's farther away should be smaller
that's why the face appears so flat, i erased the nose to make the flatness very obvious, but you can see the nose doesn't look like it pops out of the page

>>3438825
No it literally looks like the zozzle guy

>>3438826
i have no problem drawing with my shoulder so i'm ok in that regard. but what do u mean by long and wispy? like multiple long strokes?

>>3438840

thank you, that makes it easy to recognize the flatness on the original image. I think I detailed the forms too quickly and I should have blocked them out with more attention to the perspective.

>>3438788
all your features are too high, you've moved everything up and minimized the forehead which a lot of beginners do. but the eyes should be around the middle up the face.

>>3438840

Thanks, that makes it easy to see the flatness on the original image. I think I detailed the features too quickly and I should have started put more attention into placing the simplified forms in perspective.

>>3438859
Yes.

Looking to buy some actual art supplies instead of dollar store graphites.

I like the idea of gray Copic markers, but they're ritzy as fuck.
Any alternative?

I WANT TO MAKE IT

>>3438987
You're not gonna make it if you keep doing studies and not applying them.

>>3438993
Hmm... How do you apply them? Create a finished piece?

>>3439006
It doesn't even have to be finished. Just draw from memory. Imagination. It would be great if you could finish, but you need to take the first step first.

>>3439006
You don't have to create finished work all the time, you just have to implement the studies within your sketches. Meaning draw something that interests you and find a way to implement the study into the sketch.

Today was my first attemp at making anime girls
I followed a tutorial by sycra that other anon posted in the other thread for the hips, it was interesting
I'm not capable of drawing the ''simplified pelvis'' or a regular pelvis in other position that isn't the front, side or back
I'm gonna continue reading Figure Drawing

Hello /ic/, I am currently stuck on 2-A of Keys to Drawing, as I attempted to copy Morandi's still life, which turned out like utter dogshit because I couldn't distinguish between the values. Thus, should I attempt Morandi's still life again or try one of the other suggestions, such as the Lion study by Delacroix?

Hi /beg/, I'm new to /ic/, nice to meet you

Every time I draw I get unusually frustrated and angry very quickly, and it's very demotivating. I mean within minutes of trying to draw something, if it isn't looking right, I basically throw a childish fit in my head. I just have really poor patience when it comes to drawing I suppose.
Any words of advice for working past this?
Thanks anons.

>>3439016
Feel free to give the same piece another shot if you want to, or try something else. It's entirely up to you, really.
I am personally doing each Keys thingy 3 times minimum just because I always find the first 1/2 are garbage.

How the fuck does one do line art? I understand stabilizers and pressure, but i'm still so lost.

Sketches are the only thing i'm pretty good at. Once it comes to making clear lines i'm hopeless

>>3439006
draw a qt anime gril or a kangaroo

>>3439017
just draw
I have your feels when I try to create something
but just draw what you have in front of your eyes and keep practicing everyday

>>3439017
you will have to basically force yourself to keep drawing even if you dont like it, to the point of doing it so many times that a single drawing feels like nothing to you and you dont care because you've drawn so much.
takes a long long time and it will force you to develop discipline and patience if you wanna git gud

>>3438818
pretty good! nice shine on the glasses and lips

>>3438965
prismacolors are abt $3-5 a marker compared to the like $8 a copic

>>3438818
>mfw i get a crush on a drawing
man im lonely

Hey

>>3439043

i like it!

I want to nuke my style from orbit, how do I go about changing it?
Copy other people? Go back to basic anatomy? Stop drawing completely for years? Do studies? Im at a loss and keep falling back on the same shit I've grown to hate

>>3439086
study from life and try to learn how the world functions, then study your favorite artists and try to think about what rules are they exaggerating and which are being broken.

>>3439017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU&t=2m50s
Someone posted these videos somewhere, I found it pretty good, excuses to not draw & getting started as a beginner part of the video.

Am I ready to fuck it all up with charcoal or is something off?

>>3439017
Hey man I'm autistic too I feel you. I just draw shit thats fun and when I want to get better look up stuff I like that looks fun to draw and trace it and chill and watch youtube videos and speedpaints.

>>3438788
Were you using handsome Squidward for reference?

>>3439132
Be the best man Uncle Iroh knows you can be.

How do I get this right? I'm following videos and I can't get the sketch or whatever it would be called to match the photo. The blue one is the teachers, black is mine... Any tips to make mine better? I don't understand how he gets all the proportions right. No matter how many times I try mine looks completely wrong.

>>3439162
Trace the photo using only 3D squares and circles to start and when you get better you will see those 3D shapes and be able to skip tracing.

>>3439162
He's just more careful and more experienced.

>CSP has a perspective layer you can chuck on
its-its not cheating right?
i only just found it going through stuff

>>3439162
like this

>>3439167
it also has posable 3D models, no rules only tools

>>3439162
Are you able to copy the teacher's top right sketch at least?

I'm too retarded for this, how do I proceed?

>>3439175
I'll try that out. They way I learned how to do it was with mostly 2d shapes. Maybe 3d will make things easier.

>>3439183
Sort of but that isn't really the point of the exercise. I can try to make it look like his but it doesn't really look that great.

>>3439184
Page 75 of How to Draw, right?
Left wall grid is super important.

>>3439124
these areas jumped out at me. on the left half of the drawing there are some inaccuracies if you compare the alignments to landmarks vertically.

>>3439124
these areas jumped out at me. on the left half of the drawing there are some inaccuracies if you compare the alignments to landmarks vertically. the end of the arm has some wonkiness.

>>3439162
You seem like a complete beginner, that's the only person who would make these types of mistakes. Do drawabox to learn construction it should help you. Other than that just observe and be patient, don't just guess where the lines should be.

>>3439217
>compare the alignments to landmarks vertically
I'm not getting what you mean. Like the left is shifted too far up or down in places?

>>3439218
Okay will do, thanks.

>>3439162
Oval thing is tilted the wrong way. Big mistake from the start, so it will make the whole thing look odd.

>>3439207
Yup! But is it wrong so far? I made another photo so it's easier to see my grid below it. I kinda have to do the same stuff in reverse as soon as I reach the horizon right?

>>3439207
Does Scott really make you draw stairs? Jesus.

>>3439223
yeah, shifted left or right compared to what's above it in the original.

>>3438755
>tfw your drawing is the new OP's picture

>>3439234
okay, this might be more helpful

>>3439242
Congrats.

>>3439245
its not a good thing tho

>>3439236
it's intensive but a good lesson

>>3439237
I see now. Thank you.

>>3439244
forgot to put another green check mark for the bottom step, but you get the idea

Why all yill fuckin talented shit man makes me wanna take logs.

>>3439249
Meh, seems like I'll have to try again, but I think I got it. Let's see! Thank you!

>>3439247
Maybe I'm weird but as I understood more about perspective, I started having a lot of fun with the tougher exercises. Kind of like how working out sucks at first but then once you get used to it, it's actually enjoyable.

>>3439296
It's definitely fun putting it all together and I don't see it as work either since it's a tool to get you to your destination. The people that shit on Scott Robertson or any involved methods are the kids who ask "when am I going to use this" to the teacher as an excuse not to learn something.

>>3439302
It's true though. You likely won't be using Robertson's method much if you're drawing characters and creatures. Anything organic. Robertson is more for hard surface materials. And for that you could just use 3D or eyeball it. Not putting him down or anything, but just think about it. Some kids won't if ever use the material they learn in class while others might.

>>3439184
i never read that book. but for me the horizon line for the side steps is much lower...they are going up when they shoud be going down

>>3438755
How come I draw better when doing those 60-second practices from quickposes than when I sit down and want to make a complete work? What's the science in that?

>>3439307
The understanding of three dimensional space will still benefit you, and if you are trying to do art beyond a hobbyist level you should take every chance to get better.

>>3439394
Its to prevent yourself to get lost in detail. It is to practice flow and feeling of the pose. Also it will help you improve your style and drawing from imagination gets easier. Gesture always comes first, otherwise your figure might look stiff.

I used to doodle in my note book a lot in HS, but stopped drawing after I graduated. It's been 3 years and I want to relearn how to draw as a hobby. That said, I've had some artists tell me in the past that being right handed puts you at a big disadvantage compared to left handed ones. Now considering that I'm starting over, would it be worth the extra effort to train my left arm, or am I just being memed on?

Can I give up on muh fundamentals and draw whatever I want? I just want to draw cute girls

>>3439453
It's very important to develop your left-handed ability now, rather than waste time doing it later. Good luck bro

>>3439456
Yeah don't worry about that stuff

>>3439456
mosts artists just want to draw cute girls

>>3439464
Alrighty, this is going to suck, but hopefully it'll pay off. I guess I should just start off with simple stuff to get the motor control

>>3439472
I hope you're fucking with me because I was fucking with you bro, don't do that shit it's pointless just draw with your dominant hand

>>3439453
>being right handed puts you at a big disadvantage compared to left handed ones
What was their logic behind this?

>>3439433
Speaking of (different anon)
Dafuq am I doing, I'm not entire sure how to build the gestures, either I'm getting to muddled up in details or basically nearly outlining them. I looked up a couple of videos which irritatingly enough do it in a few different ways.
I have zero understanding of hamptons method too trying it out a few times.

>>3439475
My bad, I couldn't tell.
>>3439484
They were saying that creative thought is processed by the right hemisphere of your brain, which is directly linked to your left arm. Drawing with your right arm makes it more likely for your left hemisphere to muck things up. Like I said, I don't know. I'm just going off of what I've heard from people with more experience than me.

>>3439488
>Drawing with your right arm makes it more likely for your left hemisphere to muck things up
[Citation needed]

>>3439488
Yikes

>>3439485
Dont give up, draw hundreds and hundreds of them. Watch videos in between and compare those to yours. Vilppu has some good ones on youtube, but I think it's good to watch different ones to find out what works out for you. Don't think too hard about it "there are no rules but tools". Also don't look to hard at the model when drawing, just try to understand what the model is doing and express the pose with simple lines. You can design the pose as you like, don't copy it. Alphonso Dunn also has some insightful vids on that as well, if you have problems with understanding lines of action.

>>3439514
Oh I'm not giving up, no plan to, it's just that drawing dozens of the "wrong" thing isn't helpful in the long run, I want practice to be meaningful rather than drawing the wrong thing over and over. I'll take a look at the Vilppu gesture drawing video, thanks.

>>3439006
Confirmed NGMI.

>>3439255
Would you?

>>3439529
Yes this is totally understandable, but I think you just have to find out what works for you by drawing a lot, there's no right or wrong after all. You'll get a feeling which lines to use in different situations, how lines interact with each other etc. An understanding of anatomy, perspective and form is useful. It's important to keep in mind that you are drawing 3d forms in space, also think about gravity while drawing.

how do i stop spending an hour erasing shit when i start a constructing a face

>>3439551
Never erase. No point hiding your mistakes.

>>3439554
its not for hiding, its for fixing

>>3439555
He doesn't mean "hiding" per-say , he means something like "So you can see what you messed up, so you'll get it right (or more right) next time."
~ I think.

Is it possible to get through the sticky in 4 months?
Is there a different path if I want to get into animation or is it the same?

oh god why does his face look swollen

also what would you do for a kinda bluish glow?

no seriously i am stuck my renders always look really stocky

>>3439606
back to basics buddy, you are decorating when the house doesn't even have it's foundation laid yet

Did some gestures from life during school today. The bottom gestures are imagination.

Any tips on how to look past contour and on how to apply this to normal drawing?

>>3439616
not very helpful anon, that's like going to an IT person for help with a borked desktop and they say "well your shit's fucked"

>>3439624
no, it's more like going to an IT person for help for a computer you built, and all the components aren't in the correct places and you're asking why it won't run crisis.

>>3439628
ok, and why is my shit so borked then? what's actually wrong with it? going "everything" doesn't help me, it helps no one in that situation

>>3439630
kek i forgot to change my name

i think the other anon was telling you to learn to construct faces and get the proportions right before rendering.

>>3439622

>>3439633
I mean, yeah, but at what point do I feel that I'm ready for rendering? This argument never made sense to me. Like, shouldn't it make sense to grind more than one skill at once?

Even then, what specifically is wrong with facial proportions that I can watch out for in the future?

>>3439660
if im absolutely honest i think i agree with you but im also a /beg/

>>3439453
I don't know why people are crabbing on you. Look, you got memed by Betty Edwards. She's crazy, just do the exercises in her book and skip her ramblings or do Keys to Drawing instead.

Critique, advice? I did a grisaille under this one(b/w underdrawing) then lowered the opacity of the layer on top. Anatomy, inking, etc anything is fine.

Reffed from a photo of Nijinsky.

>>3439015
I would try to draw box and rotating it little bit draw it in that new angle and repeat until you get full rotation and then do it again until I am comfortable with it. Then you can move to thinking about more complicated shapes in 3d.

my own choice of color makes me deeply sad

>>3439660
http://www.proko.com/how-to-draw-the-head-from-any-angle/
Detailing in one eye at a time instead of going through both in increasing detail is bad. Planning to fix mistakes in your drawing later during the rendering process is bad. Basically, don't paint if you see anything wrong in your drawing.

>>3439606
Buy a sketchbook and start drawing
I think what other anons told you is more helpful than your attitude
Why you render if you don't even have the eyes semi-right
gotta grind faces without erasing

>>3439699
I will try that but I think that I can draw boxes right, the pelvis have too much angles

yeaahh, I dont know. at least I want to know if I did the anatomy right?

Something seems off idk what though

>>3439743
>hands and feet too big
>hands and feet too crap
>face too crap
>flat
If I were you, I'd just copy photos of hands for a while, but of course you can do Keys to Drawing, drawabox, Hampton, whatever

>>3439743
>at least I want to know if I did the anatomy right?
What anatomy?

are there any non-retarded resources on drawing in the anime style?

Some critique please? First real piece after 2-3 years of shitting.

>>3439777
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRYuHKwhgfCighvhR3n151w/videos

>>3439777
No.

>>3439781
is this a meme

>>3439783
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRYuHKwhgfCighvhR3n151w/videos
very cool thanks1

>>3439781
Those kids need weapons like axe and sword.
Other ways it is good.

>>3439777
In english no. Japanese theres plenty https://www.pixiv.net/howto

Is the nose misplaced here? If so, could someone red line it? I'm still new to this.

>>3439835
yes, the nose is completely on the right side of the face.

>>3439785
Why should?

made birds (magpie, crow) doing the whole shape first then small shapes later
do they look decent

hoping to get good some day. still trying to get good with faces tho

Study crotches

So um, I'm trying to get into perspective. How do I draw when one (or both) vanishing points aren't on the page?

>>3439984
They may not be on the page, but they're still there, so just do the same things you were always doing.

>>3439872
Could you red line it? My sight isn't great as you can tell, just started out

>>3439984
just feel it

>>3439984
Enlarge your canvas. Digitally, I draw the lines and scale it up until it's the size I want it. On paper you can get some shitty but large paper sheets and get your main paper on top of it (tape or whatever you want to use to hold it down).

>>3439307
>You likely won't be using Robertson's method much if you're drawing characters and creatures. Anything organic.
this isn't true. being able to freehand the perspective of the curved body on a car isn't very different from mirroring an animal body. robertson's method help instill strong skills in perspective that matter in all forms of drawing except maybe design/illustration with shapes. the problem here is you think there's that large of a difference between the hardsurface and organic in drawing. the point of learning is to overcome challenges and be better prepared to learn things in the future even if you aren't going to need everything you're taught. you should be learning every day and challenging yourself. not pushing yourself to learn means you think you're fine where you are and there's no improvement to be made or inspiration to be taken from.

Hey guys, I’ve been doing gesture drawings for almost a year now (started last summer but I can’t practice as much during uni) and I feel like I haven’t been seeing much improvement in the past few months. Here’s a sample of some sketches I did today, all feedback is appreciated.

>>3440076
Here’s a 6 minute sketch I did today as well

Hawk I did for that hawk study thread.

>>3440039

>>3440076
Too focused on contour.

>>3439835
Anyone?

>"ok, start simple"
>try to draw thumbtack
>absolute trash
>try to draw sharpie
>absolute trash
>try to draw a cone
>ok
wew

>>3439839
thanks anon

>>3440076
top middle showcases that you have some skill pretty well
left, top right and bottom right all showcase your struggle with thinking in forms in 3D

>>3440100
Any advice on how I should improve this?

>>3440241
draw some gestures only with flow lines through the middle of the limbs and landmarks, no, well, countours

>>3440242
for clarity
>draw some gestures only with landmarks and flow lines through the middle of the limbs, no, well, contours

>>3440242
>>3440243
Thanks man, I'll give it a shot.

>>3440240
Thanks for the feedback, I agree with what you're saying

So this was my last drawing of my semester abroad, and I dont think IIve improved. But I'm also trying to get into 3D rather than drawing, tho I still think it would be important to learn. I'm not sure where to go with any of this desu

>>3440301
ofc its sideways

This is an old one of mine. It was inspired by the work of Stephen Gammel, HE Giger and zdzislaw beksinski.

I can see most of the problems with this, but maybe someone can find others

>>3440311
Who you callin' pinhead?

>>3439988
>>3439992
>>3439996
Thanks. Since I'm drawing on paper and don't have a lot of resources atm. guess i'll just feel it and go with my eye.

Havent drawn in a while, trying to get back into it. Sketched this on my chromebook a few days ago, let me know what yall think.

How do I get out of my comfort zone without ruining everything?

>>3440352
you go out of your comfort zone, ruin everything, then keep practicing until you don't...

does anybody have the 1 year drawing routine png

>>3440364
this?

Pic related is where I'm at right now from imagination, any idea where I should go from here? I feel like perspective is a weak point (among many others clearly) but I'm not sure if it would be more of a benefit to continue studying the figure and sort of learn perspective passively/on the side, or to dig into perspective and try to focus all my efforts there.

>>3440370
no its gives you books or lessons to follow and you have 8 weeks it covers a range of topics from drawing to paint to digital to animation its is the same size as this tho and they're not all books

Where I'm at right about now, drawing from imagination. I feel like perspective is a weak point (among others of course), but would I benefit more from studying the figure further and sort of learning perspective passively, or digging into perspective and focusing all of my efforts there?

>>3440313

Looks pretty good to me, a couple of lines are slightly off (curve on the right side of the brow line is too exaggerated for example) but good enough. I think 4.5 hours might be a little bit excessive for this one in particular though. You'll burn out hella quick if you spend that long on what... 2 dozen lines? Also at a certain point, you aren't really drawing what you see, you're just redrawing lines until you get it right through sheer numbers.

Bargue Plates are all about accuracy and taking your time, but even so this is a bit to the extreme. Keep up the good work though, it looks good. You'll be amazed at how quickly you improve once you move onto more complex plates.

>>3440387
That's Aguri's Guide.

Practice is good, right?

>>3440406
Thanks for the feedback
I am going to do maybe two more eyes and some of the contour faces then I am going to attempt the first foot with tone in the book. I am a bit nervous to try the more complex ones so I want to feel just a bit more comfortable with the system.
That one took as long as it did because I spent time eyeballing every line after I took a measurement and tried to figure out if it was off and by how much

>>3438775
>Wants to draw with a tablet in the future.
>Draws with a mouse in the mean time.
Anon go grab a fucking pencil and piece of paper so you can get to practicing using a tablet. Drawing with a mouse is gonna train your hand and brain to draw comfortably with a mouse. Once you get a tablet and draw its gonna feel awkward as fuck. Next thing you know you're gonna be crying and making a thread here asking how to get good at drawing with a tablet. Get to practicing anon.

>>3438755
just started painting about a year ago

>>1/2

>>3440641
>>3440642
last one

>>3440641
>>3440644
>>3440642
one more

>>3440393
>equipping your mannequins with wojak faces
GMI

>take a 2 week break from drawing to do things like hang out with gf, cosplay at chery blossom, and play vidya with friends and brother and go to movies
>come back
>see all this insane /beg/ skill
>feel inadequate
Fuck.

>>3440719
stop blogposting and start drawing

>>3440313
dude 4.5 hours? is there any reason to spend that long on this?

is it unrealistic to want to be able to draw, paint and do digital as a wagecuck?

>>3440880
>is it unrealistic to want to be able to draw, paint and do digital
You can dream all you want.

>>3440882
so its impossible

i cant draw

>>3440890
If what you actually cared about was creating something, you'd be doing it already.

>>3440900
i am already drawing anon you dumb dumb

>>3440902
>is it unrealistic to want to be able to draw
>i am already drawing

>>3440907
basically anon, i specified 3 different things.

i can barely even draw yet, and i want to be good at all 3 before i get too fucking old, is it unrealistic?

>>3440910
When do you get too old?

>>3440930
When kids and work and stupid shit piles up eating away at time. So about 7 - 10 years from now because I'm not having children before 30

This might just be my inexperience, but I genuinely don't know how to do any of this.

i think it means make a new layer and then paint some brighter colours? but what about gradients and setting those gradients to filter? What does that mean? Also, I set a new layer to 'colour burn' but nothing happened?

Is it ethical to do a study of someone else's art and post it to social media?

>>3440968
"Just a quick study of @XXXX's drawing"

>>3440968
As long as you make it clear that it's a study of someone else's art

>>3440969

what if it wasnt quick :)

>>3440970

should I post sauce too or just the artists' @ is fine? I'm insecure about people comparing my work to theirs.

>>3440992
just dont post it if youre insecure. at least post their @ that's the minimum.

>>3439456
https://idrawgirls.com/

>>3440393
your construction and gesture is pretty decent, but mind your proportions. they're the biggest issue with these drawings and make them look worse than they are

>>3440079
if you do 6min sketches you need to properly construct. don't just eyeball the conturs, or, if you do, at least measure more precisely

>>3439835
it's too short and the angle is too steep. good attempt though.

>>3439781
watercolor is a difficult medium. i see you worked from light to dark, but you didn't utilize the properties if the medium. there's a lot i could say about your use of color, but to keep it short - try to work more loosely and wet in the early stages if the drawing and only later be more pristine with your shadow placements and details. also try to limit your palette and use details and saturated colors to set the focus of the image. the background should fade out into the distance by using lighter values and less saturation.

on the drawing side of things you should definitely look into figure drawing, your characters lack in proportions, depth and anatomy

but i really like that you took the time to produce a finished painting. this puts you ahead half of /ic/. keep going.

>>3439743
you obviously never opened a book about anatomy in your life. i'd suggest you to concentrate on gesture, landmarks and form before you move in to anatomy though. you seem to have an initial feeling for proportions, so you might want to work through Michael Hampton's Design and Invention. it also has an anatomy section where he breaks down the nost important muscle groups in an understandable manner.

>>3440995
The drawing looks okay, I just wanted to know if it was frowned upon to reference not just a photo but someones actual work.

I just wanna learn :(

>>3441113
ive been posting shit pictures on my insta just to motivate myself.

just credit the guy you studied from man, thats all. if youre too insecure that someone will compare yours to theirs then dont post it.

>>3441179
Do some arm studies. The right one is all sorts of fucked up

>>3441179
These would be great if you drew arms and feet

>>3441179
t-rex on the right

other than that they're pretty damn cool

>>3439456
Just draw cute girls with fundamentals.

Uni assignments, from this week and the last. I think I'm getting pretty good, but I can hardly draw from imagination. Advice, assuming I've read the stickies?

>>3441241

>>3441241
the palm creases on the hands look completely off
and the head is garbage obviously

>>3441241
>>3441242
What are you studying?

>>3441262
Nigerian arts

>>3441262
Graphic design. We have drawing 101 for a year and a half, just to get a feel for it. Think I might stick with it, though

Critique my draw please

>>3441271
her mouth is way too big

>>3441271
This ears.. and what the fuck is that pose. Its so stiff and awkward. Otherwise its not that bad.

>>3440966
experiment on your own is what it's telling you to do

>>3441271
I like the style. Got a blog?

>>3441296

https://konehosangriento.tumblr.com/

>>3441341
Thank you. Nice stuff.

>>3441344

thanks dude

>tips for beginner artists
>"number 1: express yourself!"

Newcomer here, trying to get into drawing more.
Struggling with perspective right now, would love feedback on that and general advice on improving it.
Any advice on drawing vehicles/technology in general in general is appreciated as well.
(Although I should probably get out of my comfort zone and try drawing humans a bit more)

I'm doing Fun with a Pencil just like the guide says. It's quite neat but uh, do I have to draw ALL those cartoons?

>>3441271
how many times have you came on this picture since you posted it

>>3441413
No. You just have to understand drawing with form.

>>3441413


counting this time, just 2 Lol

>>3441415
Fair, but what exactly should i be practicing from it? I've been drawing the blook balls all day

>>3441411
use a ruler to line up your helper perspective lines, your plane is literally bending

>>3440719
There's no mystery. You know exactly what they did that you haven't been doing. Instead of being a bitch and getting down on yourself, you could be doing just that.
Grind on.

>>3441271
Advanced symbol drawing. At least make it a 3/4 next.

>>3441431
Bending in what way? Because the nose of the '33 is angled downward a bit, if that's what you mean

>>3441410
Yeah, just do what you feel

>>3441439
Yours convey this poorly.

>>3441437

How is symbol anon?

>>3441042
Thanks for the advices. I can see what you're talking about. Sometimes Watercolour can be a hell of a painting method.

>>3441439
That's exactly where you fucked up the perspective. Instead of looking like it's bending down, it looks like it's bent to the right.

You can fix this by adding a perspective line that shows you what's "down" in the picture (which will be at an angle)

>>3441413
>3441427
>>guys do I REALLY have to draw?
definitively gonna make it

>>3441445
What he means is the drawing lacks fundamentals (3D form, perspective, etc) although it is more visually appealing than a typical low level symbol drawing.

>>3441448
Thanks, I'll keep it in mind!

>>3441413
>>3441427
>>guys do I REALLY have to draw?
definitely gonna make it

>>3441442
>just do what you feel
How does one do that? I can't grasp the concept of self expression.

>>3441464
Listen jack, there's nothing wrong with pragmatism. I could draw for 6 hours a day, 7 days a week, but if all I'm drawing is carrots, then I'm just gonna be some stupid carrot man who wasted a week of his life practicing carrots and now can only do carrots.

There are expedient ways of learning things and I'm just seeking them out.

>>3441465
You just have nothing worth saying.

>>3441465
Surely you must have a reason for wanting to draw. You don't have a single fantasy in your head that you'd love to bring to the page but every time you try, it looks like a 12 year old autism fest?
My drawings are still pretty scrappy, but compared to what I was doing a couple months ago, it's so satisfying to see the fantasy characters I've dreamed about since I was a kid finally coming to some sort of a life.

>>3441478
I want to learn to draw because it's the only thing I actually want to be good at. And drawing an idea isn't the same as self expression. There can't possibly be some form of self expression in an accurate drawing of a cup or something mundane like that. But "expressing myself through drawing"? What does that even mean? Draw happiness and anger and sadness? Those don't look like anything.

>>3441410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7XuQAXVuGM

>>3441486
It means that if you're truly a creative person, you'll develop your own style after you really practice the fundamentals.
Every musician, whether they make IDM or grindcore or punk whatever, started out learning basic scales.
Every artist, from Jamie Hewlett to Junji Ito to Andy Warhol, started out sketching coffee cups. It's the bullshit, mundane grinding you just gotta go through if you want to make something truly unique.

>>3441411
if you had fucked up the perspective on purpose, this would have been pretty cool
I like how the shuttle is turning its head to look at the earth

I WANT TO MAKE IT

>>3441470
>I need you to help me find the perfect path to mastery before i can even think of drawing!

>>3441470
Just read the book and skip the exercises, then do Keys, Drawabox, Hampton, like the rest of us filthy begs

>>3441507
Cool thanks

>>3441508
Forgot about Perspective Made Easy
definitely do that book

>>3441491
And what if I am not creative?

>>3441476
This is true. I really don't have anything to say and don't care for relaying a messege through art.

decided to start over
how is it?

>>3441527
I remember seeing this before
Still don't know what I'm looking at

>>3441527
looks good to me. post it again when youre done rendering? id like to see

>>3441527
But that's not even the same plate.

>>3441540
its this

>>3441540
bargue plates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkmMRNlROlc

>>3441541
Thanks.

>>3441542
t's >>3439124. I printed out another copy and actually did it on a wall, enveloped it and measured instead of being stupid and eyeballing everything on a table.

>>3441543
oh fuck did I do it upside down
can I just leave it like that? fuck fuck fuck

From what I see the lips are too small, the eyes are too big, the nose needs to be a tad longer. I can't into hair yet so excuse that. Anything else?

>>3441558

>>3441558
her left eye is noticeably bigger than her right eye even though it's farther away
her eyelashes are like in >>3438756
spend more time copying from references

>>3441341
At what did you create that tumblr
Im dying of cringe bloody bunny

>>3440851
It is a bargue study, you are meant to be exact

>>3441559
Make sure to have a visible "end" to your teeth or it'll look like rabbit teeth extending further down behind that lip and shit. Also darken them
Watch out with that crease along the cheek, it's what makes characters look old. Don't draw it just because it's an easily readable detail in the reference, that's the essence of symbol drawing
Forehead too slanted, shading on the eyebag too strong, don't draw those nose to lip creases whatever they're called with single lines

>>3441558
Actually, I did something similar to this after a 10 year hiatus from drawing, so I'll let you in on something that shocked me out of symbol drawing - tracing. Trace over the photo in a new layer and delete the photo underneath, then try copying your lines. Keep well away from shading in the meantime and your lines should end up in the right place with enough practice.

>>3441555
It doesn't matter as long as you're doing it correctly. It's actually better if things aren't recognizable so you can just pay attention to angles and lengths.

>>3441568
Which one? The one from the nose or the one from the lip? And isn't symbol drawing not drawing what you see but drawing from your imagined version of something?

>>3441569
I'm using a pencil and paper.

>>3441580
I know. On your computer, trace over the photo reference in a new layer and delete the photo underneath. Then try copying your trace using pencil and paper. I know people here don't like tracing, but it's very educational the first time you do this exercise.

Also, there's a lot of tricks that come with rendering, like not going heavy on the teeth or crow's feet (according to Loomis). I do think you should first focus on getting the shapes in the right place, with the right size.

>>3441579
thank you, seriously

I'm blocked at Keys to Drawing, chapter 2, exercise "Free Hand Drawing", where you need to make 10 drawings: 6 gesture drawings 1min each, 3 connected-line drawings 2min each and 1 5min burn. The drawings don't look close to what the model is doing (or what suppose to be a human), and the time finish when i am half the drawing. Any tips?

>>3441580
Symbol drawing comes down to looking at a face and thinking "theres the eye; here's where the eye ends. There's that crease, it goes like this"
If you're STEMnut, think of it as a discrete understanding of what you're looking at.
Not symbol drawing would be a continuous understanding, paying attention to how everything flows into each other, not putting stuff into their own sections but having a sense for how part A being one way made part B be another way.

Not saying this is the truth behind symbol drawing, you're right with it being about not drawing what you see, it's just what I consider the necessary revelation to graduate from it completely.

>>3441588
I'll give it a try, it does sound like a good idea actually, makes a fair amount of sense. But also I really enjoy rendering so I'll try to just spend less time rendering instead for now.

>>3441603
I sort of understand what yoyre saying, an example related to a face might help a bit more.

Thanks for the crit lads it's the first thing I've posted that wasn't laughed at.

>>3441603
>Not symbol drawing would be a continuous understanding, paying attention to how everything flows into each other, not putting stuff into their own sections but having a sense for how part A being one way made part B be another way.

Pardon my ignorance, but how does one keep this mindset while learning construction?

How do I use references without fearing that people will think I'm copying a pose?

>>3441655
What's wrong with copying a pose?

>>3441655
we have a thread on this every other day
>>3440741
>>3440384
>>3437016
>>3438959

>>3441241
>>3441242
Not trying to be a dick, but these are not pretty good, they are pretty bad. I am only telling you this because it can be hard to gauge your own ability. Keep working at it though

>>3439242
trying to study a skull and its shit
help

>>3441698
ref

>>3441695
Might be my untrained eye but I don't see anything horrendously wrong with the hands

>hampton says nose tip ends at 4 (blue)
>proko says nose base ends at 4 (green)
Which one is correct? Yes, I know I suck.

>>3438755
im wondering what i can do to improve this sketch. i get that the fine details like the hands are crap, im just concerned about the general figure and stuff.
>inb4 boxes

>>3441705
technique is ass/non-existent

the lines dont do the drawing any justice in showing depth or form. All they do is just look like hair

>>3441820
>"inb4 boxes"
You want advice and you also don't want it. ngmi

But since you mentioned boxes, you already know part of whats wrong. I'd feel more inclined to critique you if you weren't so backhanded in asking for it.

>>3441820
You literally need to do boxes though, you do not understand space and your figure is flat, it is as if it were smushed by a roller....it has no volume. No amount of proportion or anatomy can make your figure exist in space if you do not understand that space. Just try using a cylinder for the camera left leg and see what I mean. The entire point of drawing boxes is that it is the easiest form to place into space because it has very clear an understandable planes. It shows the perspective, in short. Which comes into even greater importance when you start to try to connect parts. If you cannot draw a box in any possible angle, the simplest form possible, how can you place a complex form in any angle? It takes all of a single day to learn how to do this and your figures will suddenly not like it just got hit with Dio's road roller

>>3441820
>what i can do to improve this sketch
Find references

>>3441832
>>3441827
was just a joke. i know boxes and shapes are important. i think maybe i should turn the waist to the side more to show off that she's facing the side or so, and redo the legs too to make them longer and more sound.

>>3438755
You guys down to do a summer group study in the /beg/ thread?

>>3441839
Try out proko's figure drawing fundamentals, the bean, robo bean, and manniquenization lessons should help you a lot

>>3441597
Hard to gauge without seeing what you produce.
But in general if your exercises suck, keep going and try again at a later date.

I keep chicken scrathing when I do rough sketches help

What did I do wrong? What should I do right?

>>3441442
Was this your ref?

Will copying drawings from other artists help?
I fucking suck at anatomy and drawing poses based on real models, but whenever I try to copy a body from a drawing, I do a lot better.

>>3441972
>Will copying drawings from other artists help?
Yes if you're just looking to get better at line accuracy and obesrvation.

>>3441832
>It takes all of a single day
ahaha no

Crits?

>>3441827
>didn't bother critiquing the two posts just before
>thinks his critique is worth anything

Wow I wish I was born with talent .

I wish instead of being the kid who constantly read books I was the kid who doodled. I wish I had an ounce of independence or creativity in my head.
I can't do anything right, I can't even fold an origami crane or write legible handwriting .

I've tried so many times to get into drawing . It's my biggest regret in life. I would gladly trade my academic success for art talent . Fuck, man
>talent doesn't exist
This is the beginner general yet everyone here is better than me, even the first timers. I can't do anything

>>3441999
Obviously. Everyone here has been drawing longer than you have. That's not talent. That's just experience. Stop weeping and get drawing. You're wasting time before even starting.

>>3441799
depends on the face i guess. The green might be where the nose bone ends. The blue might be where the nose, cartilage, ends

>>3441999
There are tons of videos showing you how to fold an origami crane. You can build line control at the same time as learning how to draw a perfect circle by tracing everyday. Your hands are shit because you never use them.
https://mydrawingtutorials.com/a-drawing-exercise-every-beginner-artists-should-do/

>>3441999
>everyone better than me is so talented, damn theyre lucky and im not
yeah just fucking shit on everyones effort so you can feel better about not feeling like drawing

post your pages full of attempts at drawing loomis figures if youve been working so hard

>>3441799
the base of nose is more important to go by for construction since nose tips are a wild card. you can customize the shape of it later but the layout of the eyes, nose base, lips, and chin are more important. the blue is what i'd use basing it on 1/3 spacing between the chin, base of the nose, brow ridge, and then hairline.

I feel like I can't control my pencil properly while drawing which makes me want to use my wrist more than I should. Are there exercises for this or will it just improve from drawing more? I also have some trouble with pressure which might just be because my vision isn't great.

>>3441992
too many highlights, hair is too big (top of her head is where the root of the bangs are in that photo), not enough contrast in general, the materials aren't convincing with things like the shirt/jacket being completely washed out and the skin looking weird, study eyes, nose is too long and thus lips are pushed too low, face looking flat because not really showing subtle plane changes near the cheeks and jaw. if you had a simpler rendering style it could maybe work but on top of everything else it just looks strange.

>>3442027
You will improve from drawing more. Cute figure and nice gun.

>>3442030
this is just the case that you have amazing fundamentals despite a complete lack of knowledge of what a human face looks like. You legitimately need to go do some studies. If you give me the gender i can redline within 24 hours.

>>3442034
wrong person, message still stands.

>>3441820
finish it and line it ill give you a red.

>>3442027
Nice effort. I trace a template of circles and straight lines everyday to build up shoulder endurance and obviously line control. I also started off hunching my back over my desk and keeping my hand close to my shoulder, felt like I was squeezing my bicep/elbow. Doing this will give you stability at the beginning while still letting you draw from your shoulder. Finally, a good cue is to pretend the tip of your elbow is a pen. This elbow pen should be copying what you're drawing. In reality, the elbow pen will making random, retarded scribbles, but if your elbow doesn't move when you're drawing, that's bad.

>>3441999
>checked
anyways.
please, for your own good get that fucking idea of "everyone is so talented, thus I wont even try the act of drawing"
>This is the beginner general yet everyone here is better than me, even the first timers. I can't do anything
the /beg/ general is for everyone that is non-pro level, meaning the artist still cant get a consistent amount of drawing without flaws that beginners usually do, granted the draw thread is not pro level either but its still way better than /beg/
>I wish instead of being the kid who constantly read books I was the kid who doodled.
Instead of crying on an anonymous board try to use that academic brain of yours and use it to your advantage, there's tons of books that teach drawing in a technical manner, like scott robertson's how to draw which is really complex and deep in the subject of perspective.Since you like reading so much you can get in the artbook thread and start reading, but keep in mind that if you want to "get gud" you have to catch up, all of those "talented" 16-17 year olds you see everywhere have masive amounts of mileage in and piles of drawings or "doodles" behind them so you have to put lot more effort on deliberately practicing and drawing way more than reading.
for starters get in www.drawabox.com and start with basics of line quality, then when you have enough confidence keep doing them as warm ups and proceed with more complex concepts, like perspective and form, stop symbol drawing, construction, anatomy, composition, etc, etc.
theres enough concepts for a life time but the single most important one is just draw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU&index=2&list=PLvNv1kRvuSwLYS2CkHTDS6-zVKSoUYzJO

>>3441517
Then why are you drawing? It is a creative effort through and through. Art without passion isn't art.

>>3427526

Hi all, linked post is my previous post. I've been a bit lazy with keeping up the pace, which is really my bad. Here's a current wip of a friend's amiibos in a fun pose that I found. I'm switching to digital for now cause I want to colour this one in. The camera doesn't quite line up with where I've been trying to keep my eye.

At first, I tried manben-ing it like an idiot (see: https://www.youtube.com/embed/sazDsffXZMI)) but the I decided to actually do a sketch and construction. However, I feel that the spikes on the shell are the biggest issue here, as if the perspective is different for a handful of them.

>>3442097
Here's the image.

>>3441944
Well, one hand would be facing the other direction, I would also suggest not having the head facing directly towards the viewer to emphasize the twist.
Did you do construction of the girl before putting his head in front? Her hips seem way too wide.

>>3441999
You dumbass we've been working to produce these shit tier drawings. Putting in actual study time, and plenty of it too.

opinions on how I use ink?

>>3441992
Her hair is so big that her cranium seems to be alongated, also makes her face look tiny. One eyebrow has a different shape from the other and is way above her eye. Eyes are making her look like an ayylyum. She is also expressionless.

I've made this edit, but I've probably made her look worse.

hi, i was wondering if i could get some tips on my construction shapes, i recently started using style 1's shapes (a sort of"Doll" style) but before i was using style 2. i was wondering which of the two seemed better for drawing characters (and how i can improve it) (the arms are a bit exaggerated and off model in this drawing, if a clearer one is needed i can supply it)

>>3442098
Holy crap one hour went by already? Anyways here's an updated wip.

>>3442148
You're supposed to grow out of relying on a strict construction framework anyway so don't worry about what you're going with, just pick the one you find easier to work with
Also, turn off "pressure for size" and use a thinner brush

>>3439624
Anon just take his words to face value.
you are doing a full color portrait when it looks like U cant even draw a normal face.

you should build up towards stuff like this, like learn construction and maybe do some value studies.

>>3442038
i gave it one, not perfect, sorry. really tired and had some things come up. also having trouble trasnferring from paper to digital. thanks for sparing the time.

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>>3442178
All right, thank you

>>3439835
best i can do in 2 minutes

>>3442331
forgot image

>>3439988
read it if you have the time.

but for your specific question it's in the last chapter of the book

https://fr.slideshare.net/Recursosparaquadrinistas/david-chelsea-perspective-for-comic-book-artists

>>3439040
lol it's pretty cute

>>3439654
I find myself drawing poses like this lately