/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Are there any good videos or infographs that show the proper posture to have while drawing?

>>3408920
>>3434748
another one from the study thread
help

>>3434723
PREVIOUS THREAD: >>3431486

>>3434745
I bet you spend more time thinking about your posture problem than you do actually drawing
and why do you need a video or infograph for common sense?

>>3434745
draw from your shoulder

Really struggling with hands

>>3434723
Holy crap. My piece got picked for the header.

How do you draw something consistently?
I've drawn the same character more times than I'd like to admit, but I still cannot make their face completely consistent, it's always either completely off and fucked from the start, or just off enough to be unpleasant to look at

>>3434779
I'm fucking tired of this meme, I can't move my whole shoulder just to make a fucking line on a regular sized piece of paper

Fucking hips, how do they work

>>3434925
I draw in an a5 sketchbook and I still use my shoulder. It's not a meme anon, it's just a difficult adjustment

I've been trying Fun with a Pencil. Thoughts? Comments?

>>3434942
Keep working on it

>>3434942
make the balls bigger and with other shapes than perfectly spherical. Don't draw details like hats and necks, just focus on the head.

>>3434901
it helps to know the bones and muscles, but it also depends on how detailed you want the hand to be. There's cartoony hands that are not very detailed and look more like gloves.

>>3434947
>>3434949
Alright cool, thanks anons. I have been making the balls fairly small since I suck at shoulder drawing.

>>3434925
>>3434939
it depends on what kind of line you're making. I draw from wrist, elbow, or shoulder depending on the length and orientation of the line. wrist for details and shoulder for long strokes.

>>3434932
is that from mikeymegamega? If it is, stop watching his videos, there are much better resources out there. These hips are good though, you're on the right track anon. Just find a better method of construction.

>>3434932
Damn you're good. Got any finished pieces?

how would you guys recommend progressing through Loomis' Fun w/ a pencil?

should i copy and then try to construct or WHAT

>>3435003
Read it all in one go. Draw whatever you want. Look back at the exercises. Attempt some. See how it can be applied to your own drawings. If not, draw more. Don't copy the drawings or try to construct if you don't know what you're going for.

>>3435003
That's what i do anon. Cant think of another way really.

>>3434723
Remember when the OP would post a few reference pictures/busts for everyone to work on and compare? I miss that.

>>3435009
got lazy. not like im the only source for ref

Is my render good (enough) for a beginner?

>>3435089
Pretty creepy, especially without eyebrows.

>>3435089
You forgot her eyes.
It's good though.

>>3435102
>>3435103
Thanks. Yeah, I just need it to be good enough to draw my own shit. I'll go fucking broke if I keep paying for commissions.

I gotta say it's a lot of work but I am motivated to keep on going as long as I end up being able to do my own stuff. I have autism as many of you here might have as well.

>>3435105
You got more drawings somewhere? I like what you've got so far.

>>3435089
good linework

>>3435003
drop it and read keys to drawing then come back or go to hampton/huston

>>3435106
Nope I literally just started.

>>3435107
I think it's really bad compared to what I'd like. I'm looking to get good enough to be able to create something like pic related. Those lines are perfect, I feel like mine are too bad and thick.

Anyone have tips for painting in a watercolor style with digital? Something similar to pic would be ideal.

I've searched a bit on youtube but this speedpaint was just about the only useful video I could find on shedding light on the process and what techniques and tools I could use. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRe1YTqZ80Y

>>3435109
You got discord then?

>>3435118
Sure, I'll join your server.

>>3435115
What software you use? I used some watercolor brushes in Krita 4.0 and they work pretty decently once you understand how they work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K964WNqXOc

Pic related is what I did after playing around with it a bit. Unfortunately you kinda have to mess around with a Multiply layer mode to get a fringe effect, but otherwise it works great. Looks like the person used some airbrush effect to get a little blooming going, might look into that.

>>3435119
I don't have a server though.

>>3435124
Well what's your username#id? Or perhaps create a server.

>>3435121
I use Clip Studio Paint, have a handfull of custom watercolor brushes on top of the ones already included in the base. I'll just have to play around with the colors and see what looks good, just not certain if i should mess around with the blending modes so much. I don't have too much experience with painting or colors, usually I just lay down flats and light/shade on top, so this is new for me.

>>3435135
Oh in that case, it's similar to real life where you lay down the lightest colors first and then "layer" on top of them from there. You don't have to use blending modes if they confuse you, for now just keep it simple and you should get some decent results.

Draw the boobies.
That's what we're all here for.

>>3434901
You're on the right track. Now all you need is time and practice. Keep going anon I have faith in you.

>>3435219
see >>3386150

post in previous thread is to old to delete, so here it goes again:

I drew these and I have a question
>>3433345
>>3433230

Ik im a fag, but I just read the sticky for the first time, and I'm wonder what of the mentioned books I should read?

I already read perspective made easy, but idk whether to read Fun with a Pencil or skip that and go to Figure Drawing: Design and Invention

also tried doing a study but really had trouble with the brush.

>>3435219
Shading(rendering?) is shithouse. Her hand is all jacked up. I think the proportions are ok though...

Should I keep going with this one?
I feel like it's full of too many errors and I cannot find my eraser.

I really just wanted to put pencil to paper because I want to start art stuff.

>>3435246
I would abandon this one, consider it a warm up, and move on.

This is a good example of not actually looking at the structure of the figure and translating that into a drawing. It's not gesture, it's not contour, and it's not rendering, you're dabbling a little bit here and there over all, and focusing more on things like the lips and the boobs, and not on the body, the contours of the body (the neck and jaw are awful), or even the basic lighting.

I'll be blunt, because you seem to be serious about learning - this is jacking off on paper. You're entirely focused on the porn/erotic aspect, and not the art aspect. This isn't art. It's indulgence.

Get serious, and I would strongly recommend you stop using erotica for source material, to learn how to focus on the art, and not your dick. It's a very common issue with beginning aspiring artists, you have to learn to go into an art mentality, and leave the "BUT BOOBS" part aside. If you can't, well, you won't get far in art.

Start over, and pick a reference that isn't a naked woman. Set a goal for yourself, on what to work on - contour, gesture, values, things like that. Work on that until you feel you're getting somewhere, and start throwing other challenges in for yourself.

There's nothing wrong with doing something like this from time to time, but if you're even a little serious about pursuing art, you need to leave this kind of thing aside. It's too distracting and you haven't learned to switch mental gears to see past the masturbatory content of the image.

I'm going for a twitchy crackhead look, how can I improve this design?
If the face confuses you, it's supposed to be eyebags and a nervous(?) smile
There were some anons that gave me great feedback for my previous stuff, wish I could get them to look...

>>3435108

do hampton and huston teach about head construction? i'm going through keys rn

>>3435006

why not try to construct if idk what i'm aiming for? what do u perceive the danger in that to b?

>>3435007

ya i'll probably stick with this or try what the above anon said! but for that i'll need to start drawing heads more

>it's another "spend the whole day practicing but it keeps getting worse and worse so I feel like I didn't accomplish anything despite spending hours on it" episode

>>3435712

how are you practicing, anon? perhaps you're focusing too much on a single aspect and you're burning out. try drawing something else entirely if you see your results worsening. good luck !

>>3434932
Get down with the thiccness. Also question to anyone reading: what are fundamentals? I am pretty sure I have them but I don't know what they are exactly

>>3434974
I noticed his methods were strange when I watched another one of his videos. Even when I was watching the hip video I noticed several problems with it. It was useful in developing my own method, though.

>>3435731
It's pretty funny you ask what what fundamentals are since you're already practicing them. Go read the fucking sticky, it's a better resource than nearly every thread in /ic/.
But tl;dr fundies are the basic skills and knowledge you want to have in order to create art and draw- whatever you want. The different most basic elements of any art piece is what makes up the Fundamentals- form, perspective, anatomy, composition, lighting, markmaking, etc etc; these are what you should be focusing on when people say improve your fundies.

>>3435712
practice makes permanent, not perfect
if you're practicing a weak area, get feedback often

>>3435512
before you drop fun with a pencil, just read through it without doing the exercises
it's a vital part of shitposting, don't miss out

>>3434925
keep your hand close to your shoulder so it feels like you're squeezing your elbow
it should feel a lot more stable

Huh. I drew a elf girl.

why does the clean one look worse?

>>3435785
Because your a human being with a personal preference towards less mechanical looking lines?

>>3435785
you removed or ported lines that didn't need to be

>>3435785
something about line weight

I've been reading Hampton and trying to practice gestures, how did this turn out?

Based on this image, https://i.imgur.com/iMRzTnB.jpg

>>3435829
I should probably do these in darker pencils so that they show up better on phone pictures.

>>3435512
>do hampton and huston teach about head construction?
yes, they're each a bit different so take what you like from practicing and make it your own.

I'm having trouble with learning these planes. Even the basic one at the start, when it comes to drawing it in different positions it never quite comes out very good.

Any advice? Should I just keep banging my head against it until something clicks?

>>3435251

boob IS art basedboy...

>>3435936
ignore loomis and do the asaro planes

https://sketchfab.com/models/fd74ad764a4e4619b72733316dc574b4
https://sketchfab.com/models/9d26548182f8465a8e97371a9170561e
http://polycount.com/discussion/76733/john-asaros-planes-of-the-head-high-res-photos
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36330827233@N01/galleries/72157623500620542/?rb=1

there's a simple and less simple version

Is there anything wrong with drawabox like >>3435901 implies?

>>3435956
Nope. Just another crab. You can trust every resource in the sticky.

>>3435960
I think I'm going crazy, there's so much cross-information on this board. One day I'm told a resource is excellent and a go-to, the next I'm told it's horrible and will slow you down

>>3435961
Everyone has different beliefs. That's how the world rolls. Just stick to your own and you'll be just fine.

>>3435965
no beliefs are cancer, what is a belief but insisting on truth without sure knowledge. all belief is self delusion.

>>3435968
You need some self delusion to make it in this world.

>>3435955
Even the simple version seems rather more difficult than loomis' though?

>>3435936
Ignore this >>3435955
And just continue with it. It takes time to learn.

>>3435829
>>3435829
I'll be honest Anon it's not great. You should reread the part about wrapping lines around the form to indicate direction and perspective. Also, the balance between the head, ribcage and pelvis should be at the front of your mind, even exaggerated in your drawing too.

Don't try to do them too quickly at first, take your time and really keep in mind the things he's mentioned. Good luck.

>>3435785
No line weight or values makes it look unappealing.

>>3435281
remove the third higher pixel on the mouth, or move the mouth lower

also try to avoid tangents
there's abetter tutorial for them but I cant find it so I'm posting the shitty one.

Am I fucking retarded? I just got a tablet and so I am re-doing lesson 1 of draw a box to try to get used to using the tablet. I am trying to ghost my lines but I can't do it. I need to rotate my tablet to draw from my shoulder and then the line goes crooked on the screen because of the rotated tablet. I can't draw freehand lines. How the fuck do I use this thing lmao. I'm using photoshop if that matters... Been trying to do some drawabox exercises but they are all fucked up when I translate what I learned with pen and paper to the tablet.

>>3436051
You actually need to be really good at traditional first before it transfers even half of your skill to the tablet.

This is my last masterpiece

>>3436051

This is why almost everybody recommends learning with traditional tools.

Drawing on a tablet, unless it's a pen display like a Cintiq, is a totally different experience.

>>3436055
Yeah it is way harder than I thought it would be. I guess I'll keep messing around with the tablet and try to get the hang of things but move on to the other draw a box lessons on paper.

>>3436051
do basics like drawing two dots on opposite sides of the canvas and connecting them, draw a point and draw lines that converge from points around it. stuff like that, concentric arcs. all the peter han dynamic sketch one things along with ctrl paint trainings

>>3436063
Alright ill try that out. Thank you.

>>3436051
What tablet did you buy? Did you force aspect ratio?

>>3436073
I have a huion h950p. Force aspect ratio??

>>3436097
If your screen is 16:10, but your active tablet surface is 2:1, you're going to have problems.

>>3436110
So how do I fix this? Not sure what the aspect ratio of my tablet is but my screen is 16:0.

>>3436121
I've only used wacom software, and on their driver menu you just have to tick a box. Check your driver config

>>3435241
Skip fun with a pencil.

>>3436121
Did you install the latest drivers from the huion site? you have to activate the drivers before you start using it too. if not, it's just going to be ass.

>>3436158
Yeah I installed the drivers and went through the config. What do you mean by activate the drivers? I open the driver thing but its just to edit settings.

is this ok?

>>3435731
>tfw regressed like an absolute mong

>>3436209
Your sketches are way too small dude. You should try doing only one to three sketches per page.
>>3436178
Obviously it's accurate because you traced over top of the reference. Try doing it from memory now.

Study
I’m not trying to copy loomis
I’m trying to understand what was he thinking

Who wants to study loomis with me?

Why is rotated?
The original is not.

Post your Jons

>>3436298

WIP, working on a value study, should I go darker/lighter? new to this

R8

>>3436298

>>3435251
It's literally just a woman's breasts, are you a fucking Mormon or something? All he needs is a tortillon or something to work on the shading, not an admission to the priesthood.

>>3435961
Just sort of do everything, it's not like you have a deadline and most of the stuff is available for free on the net. Find out what you like and go all the way through it, then move on to something else.

>>3436298
I like this, we should do more description drawings

Do you guys know of any good pencil brushes for photoshop? I need one that can use the side and tip of the pencil. Can't find any decent ones online.

I've spent a lot of time trying to improve this, but I've made so many mistakes that I've sort of gave up on finishing it with halftones.

Are there any tips to get the hang of using a tablet? I feel like I take hours to make decent lineart and keep polishing turd, I keep fucking up the lines when I use the tablet and I end up drawing slower than a fucking turtle. I wish I had one of those fancy cintqs.

>>3435961
This is the danger of letting others think for you.

>>3436434
The latest release of Krita has a lot of good "pencil style" brushes. Look for the "Chalk" and "Charcoal" sets because the actual pencil brushes themselves aren't great. I don't personally care for any of those brushes that use the tilt of your stylus either, they always seem very inconsistent to me and I highly doubt you'll ever find one that really gives you that quality you're looking for of the sort that you might see in Karl Gnass' pencil drawing videos or something like that, unfortunately. You can sort of simulate the side of the pencil by simply increasing the size of the brush 50% or so for when you want to shade something. While that also increases the size of the texture itself so it's not a perfect solution, but it's an option to try.

With regards to Photoshop I have Kyle's animator pencil and while it has a decent texture it's actually held back by the tilt function in my opinion, I don't care for it but it might be something to consider I suppose.

>>3436342
he's talking about the contours being bad

>>3436482
I've never tried Krita. Would you say its easier to use than photoshop? I'm newish to digital art and I thought photoshop was the "best" so I went straight to that.

I'll check out the photoshop brush that you mentioned.

>>3436324
first make sure you're copying from black and white if you're doing a b&w study, desaturate the reference
try to go further with the whites, all your lightest values are the same gray except the teeth
try to use bigger brushes to define large shadows
and try not to "mix" different levels of details, go from large to small, and don't "cross" from one to the other, even if it's tempting
use clipping masks, look it up

>>3436487
I've never used Photoshop's brushes extensively but I've gone into them with Krita, and the system is really good. a few UI bugs, but that's not a huge problem. the main point is obviously that it's free. Photoshop is the standard, but that doesn't necessarily mean "best".

Sketch for 2018's Squiliam montage. Is this worth finishing or should I start over?

Getting used to digital, I fucked up and drew on the sketch layer and didn't notice until the last moment.
How's this?

>>3436504
How long have you been drawing for?

>>3436510
1 year in traditional, just got my tablet last week

>>3436494
very good. Technically sound

>>3436488
Chris

>>3436511
I like it! I was just asking because i'm new to drawing and wanted to see how long it takes to get the skill to draw something like that.

>>3436511
>>3436526
1 year doesn't tell you much. I've been drawing 1 year too, but I've been lazy as all fuck. You should ask him how much he practices per day too.

>>3436488
putin

I'll sit down to practice copying something and end up spending more time erasing and re-doing something than drawing a new part. Am I doing it wrong?

>>3436567
yes
never erase

>>3436567
Depends on what youre thinking about as you erase and redraw
Are you blindly throwing darts and hoping something fits or concentrating on how the different lines change the whole feel?

>>3436568
No

>>3436568
But it's shit and must be done correctly or not at all

>>3436567
http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

>>3436569
I'm usually thinking "That doesn't look right, the spacing is all off and the proportions are fucked. Time to try again."

What tablet are you using?
And, is it just me, or does the head bulge a little too much there?

>>3436649
For
>>3436504

>>3436504
idk if u used a reff for that hand but im pretty sure thats not how the indexfinger should look.

also try to connect all the loose lines.

I WANT TO MAKE IT

>>3436754
The bottom left one is good anon.

How do I learn to draw a specific new things?

Like, let's say I want to draw a hyena.

Do I look up pictures of hyenas to copy?

Do I look up other artists drawings of hyenas and copy those?

Or do I look up a tutorial and draw it from my imagination?

What's the preferred method here?

>>3436764
What have you tried?

>>3436754
https://anatomiaartistica.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/michael-hampton-figure-drawing-design-and-invention-1.pdf

>>3436764
Do a study of that thing. this video is not super but if ur at a loss it might help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OSoMoR2ubg

>>3436572

yeah I have this problem too but I feel like I'm getting better now that I'm drawing more from references.

idk if you've read Keys or watched the Porko video about measuring but those may help you.

>>3434942
unironically drop it like hot potato, any other drawing book is good, great even just please stay away from loomeme please

How do I do shadows?

>>3436912
https://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

>>3436568
think you're above using a pencil, huh?

>>3436912
Just so you know there are ~3 more lighter values to add to your gradient.

>>3436775
I have tried all of the methods but once I sit down and draw the thing from scratch purely out of my mind I end up either drawing from memory or fucking up. I cannot seem to draw unless I've drawn it before.

Want to start coloring now - i'm gonna use watercolour - any tips? i dont want to waste it :I

>>3436941
Feel free to use references. I think you're supposed to be able to get a picture of a hyena and draw that hyena in many different poses, not throw one down on paper without any help from reference unless you've already drawn lots of hyenas.

>>3436653
Wacom intuos

>>3436744
Yeah the index was a bit hard

>>3436934
I only have 3 shitty markers :(

>>3436142
yeah I decided to skip FwaP, feels like a kids book

>>3435241
Started to reading figure drawing: design and invention and I imediatly realized that I suck ass at drawing with my should/elbow, so looked up a video on how to do it from proko.

He talks about the overhandgrip. havent seen any talk about this on this board, do any of you actually use this?

top right is trying to drawin in overhand grip.

>>3436995
oops, wanted to share this image, with the hampton figures.

>>3436942
it could never be wasted, you're learning.

>>3436995
sticking to tripod allows you to draw with a pen, at the cost of crappier shading with a pencil

>>3436942
If you're just starting with watercolor my only advice is to just let go and let what happens happen. I took a course on watercolor painting and I was enraged the entire time.

How do i make them not shit ?
How do i make them looks the same ?
What did i do wrong ?

Pls /beg/ i need your help.

>>3437039
Thanks - yeah watercolours can cut your nerves with the power of >my >ax .

Wellp, I think that's enough garbage for me tonight. Back at it in the morning.
Basically my everything needs work, but first time trying to add some kind of drapery. Looking at that right arm and hand is just, especially painful.

what do you guys think? I'm still going to improve it but for now I want to show it

R8 h8 appreci8

Been trying to start drawing again after ~2 years of innactivity, proportions are killing me

I feel good about myself

>>3437057
could use some more shading on the ball, also maybe some reflected color of the desert if u wanna go real fancy. also make sure there is an actual horrizon

>>3437077
Why?

>>3437082
Cause I got good at hips and connecting legs to the torso after two days of studying and sketching

>>3437077
are you planning to become a doujinshi artist

>>3437084
haha

>>3437085
No but I will make 2D games as well as normal drawings

>>3437086
Whats so funny punk

>>3437066
Thanks for the laughs

>>3437066
Good work.

>>3437084
what did you study?
I'm learning how to make women and all the books are about it but I prefer anime girls

>>3437098
I used Sycra's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhAC5UJAUlc
The first video I found happened to be MikeyMegaMega's, whose method sucks dick compared to the linked vid, so avoid him. I've been told he's a mediocre resource.
From what I've seen of Sycra though, he a good boy

>>3437066
You gotta measure the space between features. You gotta.

>>3435767
And this.

>>3437092
why do you come to a beginner thread to laugh? cunt.

>>3437137
dont give (you)'s, just report

>>3436922
As a beginner you should avoid erasing most of the time, using a pen makes you think about what line to make before you make it, instead of mindlessly making lines as most beginners do.

>>3436764
DRAWABOX.COM

>>3435767
>>3437127
pretty good. Now where's the rest of the body?

>>3436488
eyes are too close together and the mouth a little too low. Rest is alright

>>3435712
the most important thing is that you enjoy yourself. You're learning, so don't panic when things don't turn out perfectly. Draw something silly for a change and rediscover what compelled you to draw in the first place. There's no need to rush it.

>>3435751
How to make perfect then?

>>3437066
Try to stop symbol drawing.

>>3437062
I'm a beginner so I can't really critique you but I like it.

>>3435712
in the beginning your creativity and theoretical knowledge of technique will improve faster than your skill, so even when you are improving, you look bad to yourself.

>>3437066
The only thing I can draw are portraits and hands, I struggle with everything else
Before giving details and shadows and whatnot make sure that at least the form of the face is semi-OK, you should notice how the eyes are miles apart of where they are on the photo or how the shape is not even close
You should really read the sticky, even the second pic of this thread can help you a lot in your state
>>3437112
Thanks dude someday I will post something on /ic/ but today is not the day

>>3437212
Thx blood

>>3437062
rot8

>>3437260
Ha iPad doesn’t do shit right sometimes. No promises this will work

>>3437260
Hey it didn’t work

I've read about using a pen instead of a pencil
With a pencil I make tiny little lines instead of one firm line
My question is
A default bic is enough or do you need one with other type of ink
The draws I often see with pens are more sharp and uniform (with a bic they end losing color and I have to apply force to make it look like the ones I see online)

>>3437264

gotchu anon

the rot8 was a meme i don't have any criticisms!

>>3437286
Dope thanks broheem

What are some exercises to get better at drawing ellipses? Mine fucking suck. They are no better on paper than they are on the tablet. I've been practicing them for 2 week snow each day for 30 mins along with some other warm-ups before I draw other stuff. Any tips?

how do I stop being awful?

>>3437330
Slow down, I found looking at the tip of the pen or the cursor on the screen while drawing makes me slow down.

>>3437334
No idea how you could improve but your drawings is pretty cute.

So i saw this pose and it seemed neat, so I thought I'd see how it worked as practice.
Now, am I missing something, or is the butt area completely wrong in the way the right cheek just pokes out of nowhere?

>>3437272
Felt tip pen would be best but work with what you have

>>3437334
yikes dude does she look fucked up in the ref?

>>3437334
value exercises. see how far you can get in a picture without using lines.

>>3437334
Is this boxxy

>>3437358
Thanks dude. I liked it too right untill I flipped it horizantally in photoshop.

>>3437371
Less so, I kinda butchered her

>>3437334
Lost at the teeth.

draw it without the gums and just a part of the teeth.

>>3436488
Andre Ward ?
Fuck it looks like one of the first thing i drew

>>3437368
it's sad but I think I dont have a single black pen in my house that can write normally and only one blue that works but I use it for uni
I opened drawers that didnt know my house had to get pens but they wont work
>>3437367
seems the same to me, in the full two days I have of experience practicing poses I try to not look at draws because I don't know if they are well done, look for photographs

>>3437372
>>3437388
Will look into that, thanks for the critique lads

>>3437378
Ok, so the mouth and eyes are WAY bigger than the ref.

>>3436298

what is the midpoint line supposed to show in Keys? it confuses me every time i see it pop up instructionally. i genuinely don't understand how it resembles a midpoint and the author doesn't really clarify the strange positioning of it.

Is this the basic idea of contour line drawing? Its my first time ever doing it, and I know its pretty but I just wanted to check if I have the general idea right. I'm following ctrlpaint lessons and this is one of the exercises.

>>3437420
Pretty bad*.

Also I don't really know how to draw the rounded edges of the phone that well...

>>3437419
It's a midpoint in terms of actual length. Like if you would measure the image with a ruler and draw a line at the halfway point.

In the example a lot of people would think the middle of the image is around the waist area, which is false. Knowing where the actual middle is makes it easier to construct you drawing and avoid early mistakes.

fuck it, it's fucked, I give up

>>3437449
you've barely even begun, anon

>>3437249
>in the beginning
i seriously doubt the pros improve faster than they learn

>>3437449
why not draw some lines from your reference to your drawing space to allow you to create the shape of the head properly. a few horizontal lines and you're good to go

>>3437449
Good. None of the foundational lines match up so you would be polishing a turd. But before you throw this one away, rush the drawing so you can get an idea of how the detailing will feel like.

>>3437458

Does it have to be perfect that this stage? Usually I just continue and fix as I go along... I need some shit on the canvas for me to fix rather than getting everything perfect on an empty canvas.

Maybe it's just my process? Am I doing this wrong?

>>3437262

Sometimes mobile portrait photos ends up sideways because of the height. You just need to crop the height a little and it'll straighten up on the browser.

I don't know why this is a problem. It's fucking weird.

>>3437463
its gook moot fuckin with everything

>>3437458
crab advice, i bet he didnt even spend 15 minutes on it, if he keeps dropping pieces as he finds minute flaws he will never get past measuring pictures.
the only reason to drop a picture is if he is just too frustrated and cant keep up or has nothing left to learn from the image
>>3437461
it will take time for you to get it perfect, just try to measure correctly and getting shapes right, trying to learn how each feature relate to each other and apply concepts as you learn them (like construction, perspective, anatomy, etc), obviously not to the point of brainlessly rendering.

>>3437468
>minute
>none of the lines match up
If he wants to redraw every line instead of starting over, he can do that.

>>3437428

oh i thought the dotted line spanning the body was the mid line. well, aren't i silly!

>>3437463
Good advice to know I’ll post an updated version of this to see if it works

>>3437480
Test

>>3437463
it's not the height, the editing turns them

>>3437449
>>3437471
>>none of the lines match up
overall height and width of the face is ok, shape of the mouth is good, and the eyes have a nice shape, though need to be a bit bigger.
nose, eyes and mouth just need to be lowered a bit and keep the eyes in a straighter angle and that's all, he's in digital so he can even just move them if he wants. you make it seem like its absolutely fucked beyond repair

>>3436912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQlXkAlUkdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ2iYYMCmqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcJvRc4EPDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf0NtXWvQEI

>>3437494
Whoa, he's actually young.

>>3437490
It's not a bargue plate, but the guy could get something out of churning out lots of those rough plans before picking the best one. I feel he needs the practice. Also, using the computer to fix a foundational sketch is like using crutches instead of learning how to walk.

Holy shit how do you literally fucking paint?
I don't even want to post my work it's so humiliating.

>>3437524
Patience.

>>3437524
pyw

YO
I just figured out kneaded erasers can be molded to form eraser caps for mechanical pencils
>stop erasing
I mean, it's still good for note-taking

It's completely normal for a complete beginner being unable to draw circles and other shapes consistently? Or am I fucked?

I've been working a lot on gesturing, trying to work on my human form. Also, Any way I can improve the one on the middle left? Specifically in the leg region?

>>3437565
not gesture

>>3437570
Not gesture as in "That's not gesturing" Or not gesture as in "Just don't gesture"?

>>3437565
Is the middle left trying to jump or run?
The punching guy and jumping back guy look nice, but I think you should do quickposes

>>3437578
He was trying to jump. Ignore the arm. I was just screwing with foreshortening methods.

>>3437580
look at photos of jumping people and do super rough copies of them (gestures)
once you drill them in and expand your visual library, you won't have trouble drawing jumping people

>>3437583
Alright, thanks for the advice.

How does one improve line accuracy and such? Is tracing a valid exercise?

>>3437626
>How does one improve line accuracy and such?
www.drawabox.com
>Is tracing a valid exercise?
yes, only if you focus on line accuracy

>>3437461
>Does it have to be perfect that this stage?
Yes, fixing it later is only wasting your time

>>3437494
This is awesome, thanks!

>>3437574
Not that guy but what you're doing is not gesture drawing. The purpose of gesture drawing to capture the motion of the figure like pic related. Also your drawings are very flat. Try the exercises on drawabox.com

>>3437077
Tell me your secrets, what do you do to draw THICK like this? When Im grow up I want to be just like you.

>>3437524
Study and practice

>>3437550
Yes that's normal, work at it (and draw from your shoulder)

can i skip the reading in DFTRSOTB?

>>3437696
Some of it is a bit pseudo-sciency but you should read all the lessons. As a beginner you shouldn't make a habit of cutting corners anyway

>>3437696
You're expected to skip over Betty's ramblings. Keys is also recommended over Right Side.

Any tutorial for how to draw and colour sweat?

>>3437062
Tommy Wiseau?

noses are like my symbol drawing kryptonite. ive done nothing but study faces for the past few weeks but whenever I try a face at an angle I just resort to these ugly same-nose symbol things.
it sucks. I want to move on though, figure out the thinking behind gesture drawing and stuff so I can start practicing whole people and not just portraits every single day. my faces are still fucking garbage but they'll get better down the track, right?

What exactly is 2 point perspective? How does it work? I'm not expecting paragraphs, but whenever I draw 1 point perspective, it seems so flat.

alright i need some help with this. i want it to have a 'dark (not necessarily night) back alley' feel but im positive my values and lighting are off. any tips?

what you guys think about this?

The shoulders need to be wider and the head needs to be bigger. The body is fine. A little too curvy, in my opinion, but I can't judge. And I would say something about the tits, but…nevermind, you do you.

>>3437805
rib cage is too long and arms are a tad too short.

>>3437412
cool

>>3437817

thanks dude

>>3437793
you can achieve that by making the lightsource darker or (almost) non existant, making everything darker will help you achieve this, even highlights.
What you should really aim for is to describe the forms as best as you can with the 3 lighsources you have in the piece (the lightsaber and the two lights in the wall), everything else should have a smaller value range, something like using 6 to 9 or 5 to 8 but try to be consistent with it and make it so you dont go from a 9 to a 4 or something like that, unless the surface is hit by one of the three lightsources.
Remember aplying bounce lights where needed and try not to brighten the lights from the light saber that much, but make those edges harder, they do not describe the form that well and its really messy.

Study and a portrait

>>3437832
does this look better?

im a little unsure what your numbers mean. isnt anything sub 10 almost black? for the background everything is in the 30s-90s mostly in the 50-60 range

>>3437891
On your software of choice, go to wherever the filters are, and lower the brightness significantly, it really just needs to be much darker. Now go back and relight all the areas that are directly hit by light,

>>3437895
oh i didnt even realize there was such a tool. i was using the darken mode with the brush before. this is much closer to what i was imagining. okay time to stop shitting up the thread now with my fanart. thanks for the help

Can I get some crit before I start putting clothes on this guy,

>>3437904
If I was U i'd up the contrast a bit, it all feels a bit bland.

>>3437904
The lightsaber should be the main light source imo, would add much more drama to the piece

>>3437056
Bodies, how do they work
pls kill me

>>3437056
Bodies, how do they work?
Is there anything glaringly wrong?

>>3437993
Rather, what's the first and most obviously glaringly wrong thing to specifically work on there? I'm doing simple gestures and general linework practice and am going to start working on individual body parts day by day, but what's *most strikingly bad* here?

>>3437984
i like this idea, like a lot. im just worried if i go TOO dark everywhere else there just wont be anything to see
>>3437958
are you talking about the lighting contrast? or just the monotonous/blandness of the background? i plan on adding features to the backwall to make it more interesting

>>3437999
lighting, it looks like all mid-tones. that is oke, but I think it wil look better with more contrast.

>>3438009
so go even darker?

>>3438012
imo yeah.

maybe try doing a few thumnails like this, to see what values you like.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/9lEVO

I want to make it, but I think my biggest problem (aside from having very little time) is that I don't know how to study.

Never really studied in high school (lol 8 years ago) and now I guess it's coming back to bite me in the ass.

I doodle every once in a while, but nothing worth showing. I also have a problem of getting frustrated over things that don't turn out "right", which really kills my mood to draw, but I'm trying to get over that.

So yeah, any tips/techniques for studying? I'd like to think I'm a fast learner, but I feel like I'm being bombarded with information and I don't know how to break it all down and digest it easily.

>>3437994
Honestly, there's nothing outstandingly worse than the rest. Your proportions are still slightly off, your anatomy ignores a bunch of muscles and doesn't get the ones you know quite right, the gesture is readable but stiff, the basic forms of the body don't pop out; the usual stuff basically
On the other hand I'd say you're going in the right direction, keep it up

>>3438026
>>3436784
that video is pretty useful

>>3438026
Find some strict exercises that force you to think about what you're drawing but still make it clear what you're expected to draw, then after doing some of those do something that allows for more creativity again
Former would be exercises like value studies of basic geometric forms, copying muscles of the body and drawing poses from reference, latter would be gestures, poses from imagination, those exercises where you draw a hill of blobs with wrapping lines, etc

>>3434723
Why does this look off?

>>3437993
shins and feet on the right one look like trash, but imo its just linework/muscle memory. Start drawing anatomy at an angle and then in perspective, dont sweat over the little details while you are still training

>>3437494
Dude, these are good. Thanks.

>>3437765
you can measure the same camera angle in 1, 2 and 3 point. Choosing the correct is a thing of efficiency. Do 2 point for now.

>>3438055
3 things

Mirror abuse -- absolute perfect symmetry is a rarity and doesn't feel organic. Draw both sides of a figure or portrait by hand, don't just mirror.

Bad Lines -- Start getting into the habit of working cleaner with fewer, more confident strokes.

No construction -- more loomis

>>3438024
>https://www.artstation.com/artwork/9lEVO
i think the low key light accent would work best?

>>3438059
I saw the legs were too long, a lot of it was a bit too thin and a little wonky, but I had to give up on the feet for the right hand side because of the pencil / friction pen overlap just stopped drawing after I erased a bunch and I got frustrated and didn't ink it (like the toes on the left side). Thanks though.
>>3438029
Hrmm, I've been using simplified muscles from Scyra because it's similar to the style I want to work towards, would it be better to use my proper anatomical refs and gifs in the meantime then, or just focus more on getting proportion and fluid gestures right? Or, kind of both?

>>3438069
awesome thanks!

>>3438079
Sycra* And jesus that's big, sorry.
I have gifs and charts for basically the whole body, but I'm not sure if it's better to spend the time to learn all the complex forms or whether to shortcut it to simplified versions (for a comic)

>>3438083
A lot of people here recommend Hampton here for anatomy, because he breaks it down into simplified forms. I had trouble with the book until I did Scott Eaton's course which goes through all the surface bones, muscles and insertions. For me, I found it easier to internalize the simple forms when I knew what exactly they were simplifying.

Either way, you gotta derive from life, and not Sycra's abstraction

>>3438079
>Sycra
That guy have skills but his taste in art and style is just so bad.

>>3438090
Hmm, alright thanks I'll take a look at Scott Eatons Bodies In Motion and use the proper set of references I have, it'll probably also help with with getting my forms right in the end anyway, simplified or otherwise.

>>3438069
ah ok I'm seeing it now, weird how you can't see the problems yourself until someone points it out.

I’m like 90% sure it’s coming out sideways so just flip the earth

>>3438129
you should be resizing and rotating before upload anon.

>>3438133
I should also be using that gym membership I pay 80 bucks a month for, practice more guitar before my girls bday and set up that dentist appointment before the coupon expires

>>3438129
>open image in image viewing program of choice
>screenshot it
>upload screenshot to 4chan
as god intended

>>3438153
we're talking about far more important things here anon, getting critique on your big ass and tiddies drawing isn't even in the same ballpark as those lame life chores.

still doing hampton and using the overhandgrip.

tried doing these gestures from reference, any feedback?

(the sqauting girl a copy of a hampton gesture)

>>3437765
read this...do it now

https://fr.slideshare.net/Recursosparaquadrinistas/david-chelsea-perspective-for-comic-book-artists

>>3438184
yours look a lot like his which is probably good


anyone have feedback for mine? (on mobile sorry if it turns out bad)

>>3438277
Looks like ur drawing with your wrist, its better to draw with your shoulder while making gesture lines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84

>>3438220
>>3438065
thanks anons

The face is a bit off i think

>>3438092
>>3438090

I feel stupid for asking but what kind of balance or routine do you guys think is best for overall study? A greater focus on photo studies, from life studies, gestures and shapes, anatomy studies, from imagination etc? I know it's a bit different for everyone but I want to structure my studies in a more constructive way, a daily routine if you will. Should the entire day be focused on one thing? (Noting that my days are only 2-4 hours being productive with a pen)

Also now that I look I can see the myriad of issues with my drawing, I dunno why but different perspectives on feet and hands just kill me. Guess I'll give them another crack.
>>3437993 < Case in point

>>3438352
is this the perfect natural female body

>>3438300

i'm not drawing with my wrist, but what makes it look like i do? what do i change to make it less wrist-looking?

>>3438361
not the same anon but your lines are small and kinda jaggy looking.

when you draw with your shoulder you should be drawing more smooth, long, confident lines.

What's a good resource to learn how to draw hair?

>>3438389
The best way to do hair is to practice drawing ocean waves

This might be a really dumb question but what size of canvas should I be working on if I want to do backgrounds?

Let's say that the screen that I use those backrounds for is 1280 x 720
Should I use the canvas of 1280 x 720 and just keep it at that and draw it that way?
Or make it a much higher canvas size and then re-scale it down to 1280 x 720 to make it fit into the screen I need it to

>>3436942
I'm done - i need some criticism please. Also, i think i fucked up the girls hair... Some advice for the next time? Muchas gracias

I just picked up painting to have a more varied portfolio in my application for fashion school. any opinions / critique?

I don't consider myself finished with it yet

>>3438345
No neck

>>3438434
I can't even tell where the torso ends and the legs start, you need more Loomis.

>>3438434
sorry but this aint the board for this kind of art, pretty sure there are almost no anons on /ic/ that would be able to accurately crit this. and the few that can are likely not browsing /beg/

I tried drawing a friend. How'd I do?

>>3438434
>resized_first_painting.jpg.jpg
Resized to what, double its original size?

>>3438353
>You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like
kek'd

>>3438352 (You)
Well, I guess my hands are passable as human? Except for a twisted wrist I tried to draw a couple of times on the right. It turned out . . strange. .

>>3438474
if ur the anon I think u are, it looks like serious improvement

My hands are cold, so I can't draw right now.

>>3438079
That's not so simplified, not enough to be useful but enough to let you make really wrong inferences about anatomy. You might as well learn the real parts of the body and what they do so you'll remember them better. When you see anime or non-realistic artists draw anatomy you'll better understand the abstractions they make which are still rooted in a solid understanding of anatomy.

>>3438090
This is the way I recommend it too. I bounced off of Loomis and Vilppu when he got to the specific anatomical parts. Eaton taught me a lot but not actually how to draw, the underlying knowledge of muscle inserts and direction was huge. This really helped me get through Hampton and diverge on my own path at some places when I didn't feel the simplification conveyed what I knew from Eaton. I would recommend it to everyone to have a solid anatomy knowledge before doing the figure drawing but not every artist wants to do that. Slowly working through the portrait course but there's a lot of stuff I really don't care about in it. If you're going to watch one video then the skull construction and gender difference videos are the most valuable so far.

How would i draw a torso for a creature that can shift between bipedal and quadruped stances?

i have a q about doing gestures hampton's way: what's a good starting point in doing them? obvi the head is step 1, but do most people then go and do the spine (which i find hard to draw effectively and proportionally, is this an important part? do i grind it?) or do shoulders then ribcage?

>>3438616
I could never quite decipher his method for gestures from drawing or the book. but he seems to do the head, three parts of the spine, waist, then the weight bearing leg as he says in this video. don't get too hung up on his idea of "active and passive anatomy". i think he uses that to reinforce the asymmetry of the body and the tendency for there to be a straight line opposite to a curved line on the figure as he shows in the arm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arTAw4yl2fA&t=15m

>>3438621
How am I supposed to draw with my shoulder when my wrist keeps dragging against the tablet, making my whole hand bump? Do I need gloves on when I draw?

>>3438688
Didn't mean to reply btw.

I completely forgot to measure how thick the fingers should be. I mostly need to know if the perspective is fucked.

Don't mind the nigger thumb.

>>3438711
This gets funnier the longer I look at it.

>>3435219
I ended up making her too upright/tense, any other tips?

>>3438711
desu I think it might be a bit to early for you to study anatomy.
I'd work on more general fundamentals first, like 3d shapes if i was u.

>>3437865
>>3437938
I like these, give me your blogs faggolas
Also consider leaving this hellhole maybe

>>3438688
put a piece of paper or cloth under your hand, or get one of those gloves with the fingers cut out on the pointer and middle. only the pisiform should be sliding on the surface along with the fat pad above it along the side of your palm

>>3438755
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>>3438755
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>>3438711
>as long as you draw boxes good and learn anatomy you can do anythiiiiiiing
lol
I would put hand anatomy at the bottom of the barrel since you have a great reference available 24/7 attached to your left arm

>>3437904
eric?

>>3438726
It looks like you didn't consider her anatomy/form when you drew that right arm, including the shoulder, just copied
Take a closer look at where the wrist starts and ends, even contour wise
Values lookin good

>>3438726
learn to construct the body instead of being mislead by the shapes you see. the breasts are the least important part of the image and can't look good until you get everything else right. the pose is somewhat tough because it's so cropped. try not to study from cramped photos like that where you'd have to imagine so much of the figure. the pelvis is almost in profile while the torso is twisted.

>>3438711
>super intricate analysis of how the hand and fingers are assembled
>still draws that
lmfaooo who told you to do this? this is not how to improve

Hi /beg/, I'm new to /ic/, nice to meet you

Every time I draw I get unusually frustrated and angry very quickly, and it's very demotivating. I mean within minutes of trying to draw something, if it isn't looking right, I basically throw a childish fit in my head. I just have really poor patience when it comes to drawing I suppose.
Any words of advice for working past this?
Thanks anons.

Before you put down a line, think about what you want it to achieve. When you're frustrated this doesn't become impossible, it just takes longer
Also, post in the new thread, this one is past bump limit

>>3439010
Oops, thanks
Also thanks.

>>3438760
>>3438854
proko

>>3439003
Draw extremely simple things first that are very hard to get too wrong, work on your basics like straight lines, cubes, sphreres etc
Draw loose and sketchy
Remember that the more mistakes you see the better, it means you have the right mindset to improve yourself.

>>3435785
all the line are the same thickness in your sketch theres a variety of line thickness but in your render theres none of that losing alot of the value. gernaly when a sketch looks better then a finish product you lost something like line thickness,value, or contrast