/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

yes, thread over

Not much lately. You have to ignore most of what shows up now.

>>3434684
Showcasing your stuff there is like trying to sell sand in the desert.
Specially when a subscription puts you in advantage over the rest and when the site only features already established professionals.

So, it kind of sucks.

>>3434977
I love artstation for finding new daily inspiration. But I know I'm not going to be ready to post anything on there for atleast 4-5 more years. 99% of /ic/ is definitely not ready to post anything on there.

CGhub was better because of the sketchbook forum.

>>3435011
I feel basically the same. I started posting work there anyway but I mostly go to get inspiration.

>>3435014
I wish artstation had forums, or just more frequent competitions

>>3434684
>professional art
>artstation

Why does /ic/ always believe that the world of professional art revolves around fantasy / scif- / concept art?

>>3435567
Why do you believe that /ic/ always believe that the world of professional art revolves around fantasy / scif- / concept art? Especially when artstation has shit tons of illustrations instead of concept art

I think they know that opening a forum would just open the floodgates for scene drama. ArtStation will last longer without any such bullshit.
I do miss Sketchbook sections though. They were my main motivator to draw and post stuff regularly.

>>3435571
>Why do you believe that /ic/ always believe that the world of professional art revolves around fantasy / scif- / concept art?
You actually serious? Just take a good hard look at this board. It has been like this for ages. People here have such fierce tunnel vision in regards to what it means to be a 'professional artist'. It seems that most people here think that the only way to make a living via any medium of art are:

>fantasy & sci-fi illustration
>concept art
>tumblr character commissions (often with those fast-food style commission charts)
>porn patreons
>furry commissions

Most people here can't think of any ways to monetize creative skills beyond this because they're so ignorant, inexperienced & naive, so they just refer to the above as "the industry" and pretend that the world of ALL professional art revolves around it.

>Especially when artstation has shit tons of illustrations instead of concept art
What's your point here? Yeah - there are illustrations on ArtStation, and they're all fantasy & sci-fi illustrations. Bonus points for all the generic weeb art and/or digital painting of a sexy woman, from artists trying to build their Patreons. Just look at the front page of artstation right now and see if it isn't exactly what I just described.

>>3435592
>Just take a good hard look at this board. It has been like this for ages.
>Bonus points for all the generic weeb art and/or digital painting of a sexy woman, from artists trying to build their Patreons. Just look at the front page of artstation right now and see if it isn't exactly what I just described.
You clearly newfag or, god forbid me, Momatard who trying to fit here hard.
>look at me I'm special and knowThe Truth.
This is literally you. What do you expect to see here in /ic/? Moma garbage or traditional art? I can explain why no one cares about those things here.

lol there's so much hardcore contrarianism in this thread it's hard to follow

>>3435592
people talk about stuff that interests them. Stop crying just because people don't like what you like.

What is it you like that you think is missing anyway? Is it a secret? Are you scared to add some substance to your empty rhetoric because you know it's weak?

>>3435592
so enlighten me what are the other ways i can do with my drawing skills. nothing else pays.

>>3435592
okay anon, then what's missing from artstation? What kind of work would you rather see than all that generic stuff?

Vini Vidi Bumpin'

Guys, just search for 'anime'
I'll make you feel better

>>3434684
>Is it the best place for professional art?
Yes. That's why I don't post there.

>>3435592
The entertainment industry (movies, videogames, books, etc) relies on artists to design things, yes. That's how it works. Nobody is going to pay for your awful fucking still-life of a pair of shoes and an apple.

>>3436740
We'll all make it one day

>>3435592
Of course you disappeared like a little bitch.

>>3435011
>I love artstation for finding new daily inspiration.
How? Everything looks the same to me. There's so much shit on the platform that it's a waste of time to even look there unless I've been directly namedropped or linked an artist.

>>3435617
>>3435648
>>3435661
>>3436779
You've all missed the main point of my rant, which many of you proved anyway.

I'm not suggesting that it's bad for Artstation to focus on what it does. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the specialization of interests (ie. a niche) and I never said Artstation needs to be about other types of art, or to focus on what I like.

The point I was making was calling out the nature of this thread as stated in the OP - that it's wrong to think that professional art revolves around the work typically found on Artstation. Too many people here build up this incorrect vision in their head of what 'the art industry' is. They hear 'professional art' and 'the industry' and - without even thinking - they automatically assume it means fantasy + sci-fi illustration or concept art because they can't think of anything else. It's one thing to not know about opportunities outside of these due to inexperience, but it's another to believe that these are the only real career opportunities for ALL professional artists. To dismiss everything else as being "moma garbage", or "awful fucking still-life of a pair of shoes" or that "nothing else pays" is extremely ignorant & clearly the result of /ic/'s echo chamber of misinformation.

Even when just focusing on 2D art, there isn't just one 'industry'. There are many - but because they don't focus on digital paintings of dragons or space marines, people here dismiss them as being not legitimate opportunities for professional 2D artists. For example, there's never really a whole lot of talk on /ic/ about being a general 'freelance illustrator', which is ironic since it's such a drawing-focused community. A versatile freelance illustrator can dip their toes into commissioned jobs relating to editorial, gig posters, murals, branding, portraits, apparel, comics, books, etc. and do great. Even when taken individually, there are whole, massive industries that revolve around each of these types of jobs.

>>3439830
>A versatile freelance illustrator can dip their toes into commissioned jobs relating to editorial, gig posters, murals, branding, portraits, apparel, comics, books, etc. and do great

Except everything you have mentioned is mostly low pay, shit tier jobs that you have to take if you can't get anything else. The most you get is from those sci-fi/fantasy illustrations from ArtStation. Movie posters and book covers are still tied to those categories. Also digital art is growing and you can't do certain things anymore, it really makes sense why would someone want to join the only part of this industry that actually matters.

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>>3439866
You have no idea what you're talking about. Just stop.

>>3440983
You got nothing to back up your claim, so shut your filthy mouth retard

>>3440984
You first, mongo.

>>3434684
It’s pretty good. I get most of my big freelance projects from people that saw my ArtStation page and contacted me

>>3439866
Every single sentence in your post is misinformation. You are a quintessential example of a narrow-minded, ignorant /ic/ user, and there is no way you should be trying to 'tell it like it is'.

>Except everything you have mentioned is mostly low pay, shit tier jobs that you have to take if you can't get anything else.
This is a profoundly stupid thing to say. You're sweeping entire industries under the rug for absolutely no reason and willfully simplifying what it means to do freelance work. Any type of illustration job will have low paying work & high paying work. You can draw covers for a local alternative weekly for $400, or the New Yorker for $2000-5000. You can create key art for a local mom-&-pop store for pennies, or create artwork for an internationally known brand for tens of thousands of dollars. You can create fantasy work for an up-and-coming developer for less than a large established studio would.

>The most you get is from those sci-fi/fantasy illustrations from ArtStation
Again - not necessarily true. I have no doubt that the larger clients in this field pay well per piece. It's the same in any other industry.

> Movie posters and book covers are still tied to those categories
To suggest that modern movie posters all revolve around sci-fi & fantasy illustration is just mind-blowingly wrong. Almost all modern movie posters are photographic composites. There is a market for illustration in the popular alternative movie poster scene (ie. Mondo, etc.) and indie films. Book publishers still hire illustrators for a wide array of genres, not just sci-fi & fantasy.

> Also digital art is growing and you can't do certain things anymore, it really makes sense why would someone want to join the only part of this industry that actually matters.
I can't even tell what you're trying to say here. My best guess is that - AGAIN - you think digital art is exclusively composed of digital paintings of fantasy & sci-fi art, or concept art.

>>3440999
How big we talkin?

>>3434684
Yes. Anyone who says otherwise is NGMI.

>>3439830
>>3441082
A lot of non-scifi/fantasy illustration is stuff like this. This is google results for "illustration". I'm sure it's a market, but I don't like these, it doesn't appeal to me, so I don't wanna do it. A lot of it is graphic design and vector work, and I wanna go towards digital painting.
Also a wide array of skills needs a wide array of learning. Once again, I'm not very interested in graphic design personally. I wouldn't wanna bother learning how to do a mural either, it's a ton of materials, sometimes toxic fumes, and where and how would I practice? People interested in that will do that, I won't. I'm not dismissing it in the absolute, I'm dismissing it for myself.
I think it's just that a lot of people feel the same way I do. You can call it dumb or sheepish, say that people all like the same dumb shit, and it may true to some extent, but mostly it's actual preference, not complete dismissal on monetary grounds.
And yes, sometimes it is justified. There's only so much movies coming out or gigs happening. If you're doing that, then you would indeed have to branch out and do other stuff too, but that's because there's not enough of it.

>>3442020
You've got a perspective that I think is totally reasonable and is ultimately what I've been trying to get people to realize. You're right to say that you're not dismissing it in the absolute, but rather just for yourself, and that's okay. Again - there is absolutely nothing wrong with personal preference & tastes.

Though I think you're giving /ic/ too much credit when you say:
>I think it's just that a lot of people feel the same way I do. You can call it dumb or sheepish, say that people all like the same dumb shit, and it may true to some extent, but mostly it's actual preference, not complete dismissal on monetary grounds.
I highly, highly disagree with this, and it's the reason my jimmies have been so rustled in this thread. I don't think people feel the same as you, as exemplified in this very thread. Multiple people have outright dismissed any and all professional art outside of fantasy/sci-fi/concept art as being incapable of supporting someone financially, and that anything else is low-tier, "moma garbage". I think it's an unhealthy perspective and profoundly naive & immature to think the world of professional art revolves around games & movies. You'd be hard pressed to convince me this isn't how a majority of /ic/ thinks. It's the result of being unaware of other opportunities for different types of art, and in that lack of knowledge, they build up these false delusions.

Also, another small nitpicky thing:
>A lot of it is graphic design and vector work
None of the work you posted would really fall under the umbrella of 'graphic design'. Most of these aren't even vector illustrations. I think there's another common misconception on /ic/ that flatter, simpler illustration work = graphic design. It doesn't - it's still just illustration. There are many more techniques and styles beyond digital painting techniques that illustrators use to make their work.

>>3434977
>Specially when a subscription puts you in advantage
how does a subscription give you an edge over other people on Artstation?

This thread is an embarrassment

>>3438612
>Of course you disappeared like a little bitch.
Look who's disappeared now. It is mind blowing that you and so many others here can't see how insanely stupid and immature it is to think fantasy / sci-fi & concept art is the only viable way for artists to make a living.

Have fun with your delusions, /ic/. If you're reading this thread and still growing as an artist, remember to understand that /ic/ has a profoundly naive and ignorant sense of what it means to be a professional artist.

>moral high ground masturbation while avatarfagging as Mike "gas the jews" Stoklasa from the reddit movie show.

>>3442556
i mostly agree with >>3442020, it just feels like that kind of nonstop promotion and uncertainty would be absolute hell, whereas something as bland and soulless as generic concept art at least gives you an idea of where you will be in the next couple of years, and all your energy can be put into work instead of finding work. Personally id love to get into comics but that seems impossible to break into. do you have any background in this kind of stuff? im curious if there are more traditional illustration oriented design studios out there, id much rather be a cog than a marketer.

why does all the art on artstation look so good but feel so lifeless, most of it at least

>>3442928
One of the features of the Pro subscription is having your work showcased and promoted on the site more than non subscription work.

>>3446199
Because making non lifeless art is hard and the majority of them are either modelling or just photobashing or rely heavily on reference so it's way harder to get good stuff which is also creative

>>3440998
NO U

>>3445582
>moral high ground
I don't think you know what this means. What does anything I've said have to do with morals?

>>3445800
The uncertainty is understandable. I can appreciate the notion that people only see something like concept art as the most viable creative opportunity because they feel like they've got a basic understanding of the required journey and ultimate endgame of that industry. However, the dismissal of other types of creative opportunities is - as I've mentioned several times in this thread - based on ignorance and naivety, because folks here are unfamiliar with the career paths of other types of creative work, so they dismiss them outright as being non-viable opportunities for artists. Again - it's one thing to be more interested in one type of path than the other, but it's another to dismiss anything else as being non-viable or just simply non-existent (not saying you think like this, but most people on /ic/ certainly do.)

Regarding comics - it's not something I've personally had an interest in. I know a few artists though who have dipped their toes and gotten published, though all of them have taken a more 'alternative' route than your standard big comic publishers. What type of comics do you want to do?

Regarding studios - design studios may do some illustration in-house, but a dedicated in-house illustrator position is rare. It sounds like you'd enjoy an illustration agency. An illustration agency is the closest thing to being a 'cog in the wheel' while being a freelance illustrator. A brand will connect with your agent about a project needing completion, and your agent will take care of all the non-art work while you're able to just focus on creating. They also negotiate higher fees and have a steady stream of work (more than making up for their 'cut'), in addition to working with large & prestigious brands. Agents are definitely a great asset if you can get signed to an agency (easier said than done).

>>3446199
Because none of it is actually good in the first place.

>>3446199
Because Artstation is a stylistic & compositional echo chamber of art clones. Every piece is so focused on making something look 'cool' that it all because a sea of the same generic tropes & tricks.

Large, vast fantasy or alien landscape with small figures in the foreground and something large in the distance. Cutesy pinup girl with a gun. Attractive person in fantasy armor. Static figure against an after-thought, flat background. Portfolios of loose, unfinished work. Boring photorealistic digital paintings of attractive fantasy or sci-fi women. Etc. etc.

Sometimes it's executed in a refreshing and genuinely creative way. Most of the time it's not.

>>3446199
because it's basically a stock of showcase works by disposable contract workers who seek commercial commissions and market themselves to art directors that lurk this shit and don't have much time so they need to see what you able in one condensed polished picture? it's not a true "art" platform, like pixiv

>>3437789
to the grave

>>3447106
>Because none of it is actually good in the first place.
That's really not fair. There's plenty of really well done stuff on Artstation, though there's a lot of stuff featured on the homepage that looks absolutely awful. It's a pretty wide range of skill levels.

Why do fantasy / sci-fi / concept art babies get so defensive when you call them out on their bullshit?

>>3448429
>disposable contract workers who seek commercial commissions
You're framing this like it's a bad thing. This is just another way of describing a freelance worker, which is a necessary to role needed by all sorts of different businesses.

digital art is not art
real art is priceless
real artist should be poor otherwise his work has lack of soul
facts

>>3434684
Is it even worth subscribing to ArtStation if you don't do CGI / videogame type art? As a comic artist I find it pretty worthless but maybe it's just me

>>3439830
This mindset is why Deviantart became a shithole for fetish art.

>>3452877
>This mindset is why Deviantart became a shithole for fetish art.

I don't follow. How does that make sense at all?

>>3452502
>Is it even worth subscribing to ArtStation if you don't do CGI / videogame type art?
There is really no reason to use ArtStation if you don't fall within the themes of the site. The main focus of Artstation is fairly niche, revolving around concept art & illustration for the entertainment industry. Though it's overrun with generic digital paintings of sexy women.

unfortunately the quality of the site will diminish as more and more shit artists move in and itll go the way of deviantart if its not careful. Im already seeing too many people posting their art on there when they really shouldnt. I wish there was a way of filtering new users without outright asking for a resume or having a biased vetting process, but thats for them to figure out

i prefer behance, is harder to people look at you but if they do looking at you already you win more because there are many different creatives minds there also adobefag

>>3434977
this.
I just want CGhub back and CA sketchbooks back.

how hard is it to build a new website where you just have a list of sketchbooks to dig in? only that,no splash pages,no bullshit

>>3455265
This.
It's not easy to simply say to shit artists 'Fuck off, you're shit'. Also that the site has been shilled over the last 4 years and will be the new Tumblr or Deviantart, with the only difference is your full name is on display. Unless a new site, forum, etc will rise as a new art platform and the shit artists may continue to join while Instagram and Amino are struggling, Moore's Law takes effect. Or perhaps will be similar to Discord where art is not shown on websites anymore, but in private communities/servers.

>>3448278
Well its art for the industry after all, it doesn't have to be new or creative, it just has to sell. Thats what it means to be an employed artist, either you deliver or you starve

Starving is no fun

>>3455534
>and CA sketchbooks back.
they're still here

>>3455467
Behance just feels so clunky and un-intuitive to me. I can't quite put my finger on why though. Maybe it's because the thumbnails for projects are so small and there's a lot of white space. That's one area where Artstation shines - the actual design of the site is very good and focused on the work.

>>3455265
Agree there is already a ton of shitty artists and weird fetish shit popping up
https://www.artstation.com/silent-sid
https://www.artstation.com/blackshades
https://www.artstation.com/usaku-chan
https://www.artstation.com/axti
https://www.artstation.com/triciateo

>>3459573
This is an embarrassment. Artstation is trash.

>>3455874
>Or perhaps will be similar to Discord where art is not shown on websites anymore, but in private communities/servers
This is pretty common in Facebook groups. It's a nice alternative, and people generally behave better on there than /ic/

>>3446209
why is it still ok to discriminate against poorfags

>>3463605
>why is it still okay to discriminate against poorfags
Asking the important questions. Welcome to left-wing politics, my friend.

>>3464811
But I hate genetic trash

>>3464818
You think that some people a genetically predisposed to be poor? You don't think poverty relies almost entirely on environmental factors rather than genetics? Why would you ever think this is a reasonable thing to believe?

>>3466019
No I think that being an intelligent good natured respectable healthy beautiful person is genetic and I want all the trash to be thrown in a hole. Also I hate racemixing

>>3466023
>Also I hate racemixing
This is not something worth being upset over.

>>3467122
Tell that to mixed race people because they hate their lives and parents and have fuck loads of depression and mental illness and maladjustedness

>>3434977
Cgsociety has a great 2d 3d sketchbook section.
You're just not looking hard enough. see you there.

>>3467156
>have fuck loads of depression and mental illness and maladjustedness
That's not their fault, and often caused by the actions of others. Mixed-race kids are much more likely to experience racism and alienation. There's a link between mixed-race kids and depression, but there's not much to suggest they are genetically predisposed to it, but rather that it's related to the environment they grow up in.

Really weird your comment got censored here >>3464818 though. I've never seen half a comment be deleted before.

>>3468531
That may be true but if it is the only way to fix it would be to eradicate the tribal nature of humans which would destroy every race. And yes i was warned to stop talking about things other than art