/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3434496
it's all in ur hands, you can make the change op, stop complaining, start animating

>>3434496
Look not just the style of cartoon design changed but the context and attitude of cartoons itself. The former followed the latter. What my nigga above me said too.

just stop watching american animation, europe makes way better things

I love it

The previous thundercats reboot was boring as shit

>>3434496
>Will animation ever recover?
This style is a pretty recent change in animation, no? Why would animation not change again? Maybe in a couple of decades people will start longing for complex drawings again. Maybe schools will move on from teaching big round everything.

>>3434561
traditional animation is dead. outside a few passion projects and niche works you'll never see a comeback or emergence of more complex art styles in 2d animation. even anime is turning to cg and oversimplified designs, they lasted at least a little bit longer than western animation. you don't see anyone making baroque music these days do you?

>>3434530

They need to keep the cost down at any cost.

>>3434614
trad animation is dead because computer generated stuff is ruled by contracts and licenses enforced by production and software companies. gotta get money somehow...

and also anime has been made digitally since atleast 02 i think? even ghibli does like half of a movie with computers

You are either too young or too ignorant to forget the dozens of cheap-ass Hanna-Barbera cartoon series and cheap eighties Japanese made series. Was the original Thundercats so amazingly animated? No.

It has always been about keeping costs as low as possible. TV animation was always produced cheaply. The difference is that before it was cheap and cell painted and now it's cheap and digital.

Traditional animation is not dead, you're just looking in totally the wrong place.

>>3434682
bam

partially related, theres a new she ra animated series coming out. you might like that better

>>3434496
>draw yellow comusnist people
>call them cat aliens

>>3434682
>b.b.but stop talking about the subject, look at OTHER SHOWS
not how arguments work, sweaty. And no, your animators friends aren't talented by default, and no animation isn't a miracle immune to criticism just because it's hard.

>>3434496
Yeah, the silhouette reads, it's fine.

>>3434754
>hey 1/12th of the animation principles is better than nothing!

People are seriously out here advocating for a return to the fucking stiff and awful animation of the 80s when Hanna-Barbera was streaming loads of awful near-unwatchable shit just because they like the proportions...

American animation is entering a new golden age. Some of it isn't very aesthetically pleasing to us as adults, because right now it's all being made for kids by CN etc, but my hope is that this will not remain the case and some of this energy is transferred to other demographics aimed work (which is more likely to have realistic proportions so you guys can shut up about TTG and SU clones.) Maye we can get a situationcloser to what Japan has were there's a very healthy amount of content for older audiences (i mean seinen and josei, not hentai, god save us from the hideous american animation version of THAT)

...
Also there was a 2011 visually pelasing Thundercats reboot and non of you fuckers watched it I bet.

>>3434561
This anon is right (in the first half -- 'big round everything' kind of ignores that people have been drawing that since the days of Elmer Fudd, Mickey Mouse, Tweety Bird, etc. round is an easy shape to animate.)

>>3434819
>stiff and awful animation of the 80s
I'll take it over your feefee fascistic vision of profesional art where everybody must be nice to each other because "animation is hard and everybody is talented" shit you vomit all day long.

>>3434820
>round is an easy shape to animate.
paperdolls animations doesn't give a shit. You are trying to hide the issues under a shiny gloss of literal bullshit

>>3434820
The majority of this contemporary crap is done referencing model sheets to the point where it might as well be puppet rigs. The roundness just exists for style not functionality. If it was for functionality, we'd get more than the same stiff standing upright poses.

this looks good, you're not even gonna watch it anyways so it shouldn't really matter to you op. just learn to animate to change it yourself

>>3434940
>this looks good
stop that

>>3434530
name 10 animated european shows that you think are good that aren't wakfu...no really I'm interested in some good animation

>>3435269
Depends of your taste. you can go with Oban, or old stuff like mysterious city of gold.There's that show about kids in WWII that is highly praised but I never watched it. Vermin is decent for what it is (even though I'm not a fan of Kassos). I think European animation shines on movie format, not TV. TV shows are soul crushing, made for kids with specific intent to not cause emotional responses. Literally. So it's not funny, not sad, not even angry. good stuff is usually "1 scene in a 50 episode show" kind of deal.

>>3435278
shii i remember watching oban every morning when i was a kid. dont remember much from it but im going to rewatch it now

>>3434615
Is this the power of Franco-Belgian cartoons?

>>3434501
>it's all in ur hands
>you can make the change op
>start animating

>leftist retards actually believe that

>>3435321
>leftist

shit, this hurts dude, why would you say that? you know your right, we should just complain about shit all the time instead of doing anything, cartoon industry is controlled by illuminati anyways.

>>3434496

You didn't support the high budget show they made 7 years ago.

You don't have a single thing to complain about.

You don't support good shows. You don't support anything.

You all just complain and offer nothing.

>>3435378
Don't be stupid, there's no reason why we should have to buy crappy toys to support a show.

>>3434496
>The absolute state of American animation

>>3434819
>a return to the fucking stiff and awful animation
But anon, it's STILL stiff and awful. It's just less realistic.

>>3434819
>>3435378
What these guys said. None of the shitters shitting on the new reboot backed the other reboot, so why do they expect to have their opinion taken seriously? The Tumblr crowd may be a better audience.

>>3435378
>I can't counter the actual arguments, I will yell reallyloud that anybody against me is this, that and that, I don't need proof because I'm offended.
stop breathing this instant.

>>3434819
>Also there was a 2011 visually pelasing Thundercats reboot and non of you fuckers watched it I bet.
It was shit that's why. A cartoon is both look and stories. And the stories where garbage. Everybody watched the 2 episode start, then dropped it because it went nowhere. Don't write an history you are obviously too young to remember.

>>3435321
>"shit, this man is telling me to be the change I want to see"
>...
>...
>... "I better sit on my lazy ass and just call him a retard while bringing politics into it despite this not relating to politics at all"

>>3434549
>I love it

Is this what parents feel when they are disappointed in their kid.

Now I understand how my mom feel.

wish we could've gotten something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hahuZ277QEs

>>3435632
>didn't counter the actual arguments
the anon you responded to literally gave you the reason why cheap shit like this exists
in the america nobody actually gives a fuck about serious animation, everything has to be ugly or simplistic because all animation is seen as kiddy shit or comedy

Looks like the mods deleted the other threads.
Guess they only want the one that promotes a discussion of some kind.

Is it true that this guy isn't working on the Nu-Thundercats? Or did they fire him for PR just to say he wasn't? The trailer appears to show him talking about the show "passionately" but he seems to talk shit about the original Thundercats and its fans on his Twitter.

>>3434496

not anytime soon

>>3437106
It will only stay like this so long as the artists who are upset about this don't do anything.
If there are animators and artists that are out there that don't like this tripe, you will have to team up and try and do something. The kinds of people that get away with this are allowed to because the opposition just gives in each time.

>>3437058
wait what? is this the cuck guy from the video? he keeps saying how much he loved the old show, now he tweets he hated it?

>>3437058
how do you know its the same guy

>>3437058
He's not working on it and never was. He's just an annoying guy who is constantly trying to insert himself into situations like this for attention.

>>3435378
>what is Korgorth of Barbaria and the never final season of Metalocalypse

Channels have a lot to do with it.

Both were highly rated shows. KoB won a competition, but was dropped due to production costs. Instead of dialing it back, AS rather pump out a bunch of shitty shows because they won't take any risks aside from Venture Bros.

Metalocalypse gradually increased in quality and despite the creator crowd funding to just be able to wrap the series up, AS flat out refused.


Other shows just never have a chance due to the network they're on. Dan Vs. and Wander over Yonder were great shows on shit channels.

>>3437117
It's an orbiter that claim to be "best pal" with the crew. Could be a typical "that one guy" roomat of one of them that talks loud and think he belong because they let him pay half the pizzas when they crash at the place.

>>3437572
He's in the industry and has always been an orbiter type. He was one of John K's sycophants for a while because he was rooming with John's GF at the time. I have no idea how he got his own show (Too Loud)

Have you tried not watching it so it gets bad ratings or is this the Howard Stern effect?

What’s with the recent surge of western cartoons using this art style?

>>3435378
Is this the peak of consumerism? People defending corporations for delivering shit products that no one cares about and then blaming consumers for not being interested in them? No one fucking owes CN a successful Thundercats cartoon. It's their fucking job to deliver something that makes people invested in it. If they can't do it, don't blame the fucking audience you pathetic bootlicker.

Snarf

>>3435378
>>3434819
>no one watched the reboot, stop whining
The 2011 reboot was successful and renewed for a new season, but it was chosen in favor of a low-budget Lego series. Listen to the podcast Interview by one of the team members:
https://soundcloud.com/tcs2011int/cats2011-ros-revised

>>3437874
It's probably just people who want to keep their jobs. Dissenters are threatened with being blacklisted from the industry for not towing the line, so they just resort to parroting acceptable views like bootlickers.

Our views are negative, but we should use that negative to improve our skills.

>>3437874
>peak consumerism
>caring about what happens to some shitty show in the 80s made to sell toys with the outsource studio taking over 90% of the creative load.
80s kids are fucking cancer, it's like they went through their whole lives wearing blinders, they like ugly things and no one told them otherwise. There are things that actually warrant being pissed off about like the PPG reboot.

>>3438330
I'm not an 80's kid and I think this reboot is a slap in the face for the fans and the team that respected the series.
Hell, I showed the comparisons to my family and they can tell it looks like shit. The only retards defending this are idiots who will suck corporate dick for a job, instead of going against and fighting to make things better.

If you want animation to be respected as a medium, you need to stop supporting these projects so much and help other artists create a variety of content.

>>3438348
>if you want animation to be respected as a medium, you need to support projects that a bunch of nostalgia-addled manbabies have personally approved first

Nah.

Not wanting to be that guy but if people show interest in this show, maybe we can have a 2nd season of the first reboot. A girl can dream.

At least we still have Titmouse

I'm an 80's kid who liked the Thundercats.

I'm not offended by the art style, in fact the opposite. As a professional artist, I think it's masterfully designed.

I think it's a modern look, appropriate for its audience, and reasonable from a production point of view.

>>3437825
Monkey see monkey do.

>>3438365
>want to be storyboard artist/revisionist
>have been working on a storyboard portfolio for almost 2 years. Even did some freelance storyboard work for clients.
>live in NYC
>Titmouse has a location in NYC
>applied for a storyboard artist/revisionist position at least 3 times
>never hear back

...what do I gotta do to get in or get noticed.

>>3438366
Thats good on your end. I'm happy that you like this style that nearly every TV show for the last 10 years has been doing to death.

>appropriate for its audience

You mean all those people who are pissed af at seeing an influential animated TV series getting reduced to "lolrandomxD" humour? With a gaudy artstyle to go along with it?

Sure, if thats what you like, then I won't stop you.

>>3438360
You mean like Nu-Thundercats?

>>3438375
Gonna need a sample of your portfolio.

>>3438360
Oh, it's those evil "manbabies" again, I see. How dare they not like corporate garbage reboot #1234.

>>3438376
>You mean all those people who are pissed af at seeing an influential animated TV series getting reduced to "lolrandomxD" humour?

He means children. So, sure, those guys also.

>>3438366
I never watched the original and I have no interest in the reboot either way, but what I as an artist am taking away from this is that there is a saturation point for this type of style and it seems like it is soon to be reached, if it hasn't already. It never hurts to be ahead of the curve and understand current trends and what art style is popular and what art styles fall out of popularity. To brush this off as a bunch of angry nerds overreacting is definitely the wrong approach I think. There is no obvious political agenda behind this cartoon like there was with Ghostbusters, so these thousands of people have no reason to hate on it unless they genuinely disliked it.

>>3435378
>You didn't support the high budget show they made 7 years ago.

I watched every episode on air and talked about with all my friends. Bitch, you don't know me.

>>3437047
There were no actual arguments only assumptions.

>>3438545
Yeah, not to mention that CN sabotaged it while they were working on writing Season 2, backstabbing the creators and decided to fund their resources into "Lego Chime",
a totally not-forgettable TV series that everyone will remember down the line.

Are there any shows on Cartoon Network these days that aren't comedies?

I watched shit like Gundam, Dragon Ball, Yu yu Hakusho, Rurouni Kenshin, etc growing up. I know it's all about the numbers, but it's kind of depressing to think there aren't any shows like these airing for kids nowadays.

>>3438366
>hey guys let me put myself into all the virtuous position I can without any proof of it. They I'll defend it by basically opposing my virtue to anybody who disagree, making them de facto bad in my logical fallacy
yeah, what about you just fuck off back to your sweatshop.

>>3434496
The Calarts face is strong with this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fxls1XrcJc

this is coming 2020

>>3438366
>appropriate for its audience
I don’t know if cuck sheds usually get cable, but if they do it’ll be a good background show while the occupant is playing their Switch.

saw this over on /co..

>>3439105
Just because older cartoons also suffered from having generic art styles doesn't excuse modern cartoons from looking the same

>>3439105
I don't want it to look like it did in the 80s. I also don't want it to look like the Tumblr garbage it looks like now. Like the anon above me said, being generic in the past does not excuse current cartoons from being generic.

Honestly it's not even that much about the art style to me, although I really don't like it. It's that they're "Teen Titans GO"ing yet another show.

>>3439105
Riot is still my husbando

>>3439105
ok but how are they planning to defend the animation, which has been proven to be dogshit, with liono just straight up growing and becoming a different size as well as having uneven arms in the teaser, and that part where they straight up somehow misplaced the cheetah bitch in the intro, after they had gone on and on and on about how amazing it had to be

>>3437114
You get a team of artists together, and then...? They have to earn a living while animating.
>>3438401
>There is no obvious political agenda behind this cartoon
There isn't, but the dipshits that get riled up over this sort of stuff are sure quick to imagine there being one and rally behind that whole idea.

>>3437058
>putting your IP in the hands of someone who hates it

>>3439214
They do yes, but they should make sure to work on projects where their work and projects aren't treated like shit, or else you'll have miserable working conditions.

Hehehe.

It's easier on the eyes, and cartoons are for kids anyways. Even with the lack of detail, the simplification of these cartoons still succeed in portraying basic emotions and human gestures, and the color schemes are a lot better than cartoons from the 80's and 90's.

Coming from a guy who loved somewhat old cartoons like Transformers the Animated Series and Gargoyles and TMNT, lots of them had bad animation and lazy background assets.

>>3439413
If the audience by and large says something looks like shit, as an artist it is a very dangerous mindset to then go "nu-uh, it's actually really good, you guys just don't get it!" You may not realize this, but what you are basically doing is the corporate version of "it's my style"

Also, kids usually like strong and cool looking characters in their action cartoons. These new character designs appeal more to 20-30 year old women with leg hair than to actual kids.

>>3437874
>>3438239

I feel like Ralph Bakshi was the only guy in the industry, who had any balls, to do what he wanted to do. He's my greatest inspiration in the Animation Industry.

He's absolutely right, when he says, that we have all the necessary tools at our disposal. It has never been more cheap to animate as of today. And all the knowledge is out there.

We are the future of the Animation. I hate what has become of the Industry today - it's soulless, bland, boring, ugly and uninspired.

I want to change that and produce something I like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WApcUBcVMos

>>3439441
>I, 20 something basement dweller, speak for the children

Nice.
The Children are watching chinese animations of Peppa Pig characters having their teeth pulled by The Joker on YouTube right now though.

>>3439413
If literally every other cartoon didn't have this same or a similar style (more than just the art), I'd agree, but there's enough of this. Every show on Cartoon Network is a comedic show with a goofy art style. Good luck inspiring kids to become artists and animators when there isn't a single show on TV with more "adult" animation. Or more "adult" characters, or plots, or anything.

It's just sad how little variety there is compared to when I was a kid. People these days sell kids short.

>>3435269
Lastman

>>3439444
I don't speak for them, I'm just making a basic observation based on decades worth of action cartoons, comics, merchandize, shounen anime etc which all very successfully cater to kids. But maybe I'm indeed wrong here and in the last 5 or so years, the appeal of action heroes has completely changed and those tumblr artists are way ahead of the curve. I'm not seeing any signs that that's the case though.

>>3439444
>DON'T SPEAK FOR THE KIDS
>LET ME IMMEDIATELY DO THE SAME INSTEAD
Fuck off.

>>3435294
Oban is a decent visual experience, and has has some rare themes in western TV cartoons, that said the conclusion was only mildly satisfying to me. I don't like the whole "Eva's destiny was written by the villain" that kinda destroy her own merits of being what she is. Her mother dying from a real accident was really fine as is.
Also falling for the elf dick, kinda predictable and boring. But hopefully the new show will change that status quo.

>>3437588
>(Too Loud)
Maybe he animated half of it for free in his garage and presented it to the network without asking money outside of what was left?
I mean, look at the result and this guy mentality, he's a total pissmop.

>>3439105
>style vs design
>left is done by only 2 different studios
>pick only muscular white lead men vs kids, old people,women, animals and animated objects
>Left still manage to have all unique, recognizable faces with different eyes, noses, lips and facial structures that don't really on "gimmic personality" like "being a pink cat" or "having a big moustache"

Let's face it that whole crisis just expose the global incompetence of people who currently work in the industry or/and the one who defend it.

>>3439507
The right also makes sure to include the entire head in almost all of them while the left is a closeup of only the actual face and maybe a tuft of hair.

>>3438330
>80s kids are fucking cancer
I was an 80's kid, 80's kids aren't the problem. It's all the younger generation who've grown up in the wake of the entertainment shit spiral and now have zero ability to see what's crap and whats good. Lots of 80's and early 90's properties dont hold up but atleast the ideas behind a lot of them were fresher. Everything nowadays is a reboot of an old idea or property with one in every 20 shows being half decent. The studios takeaway less risks now.

There is exponentially more garbage produced today then back then. To act like everything from the 80's sucked and everything today is good just shows your probably a 14 y/o with little to no worthwhile opinions.

>>3439441
The fact old cartoons were done in a more "realistic" style, by hand, means they were more work than this new stuff CN is doing for quite a few of their properties. With the ability to monetize these cartoons in news ways via the internet and more opportunities to sell branded merch the degradation in style, and effort, in the name of budget is retarded.

When I was a kid I wouldn't have found this show interesting or "cool". It looks like something for toddlers. I was looking for something with a more edgy/adult style that had cool action an cool looking characters. obviously design sense changes with time but this looks like a disney short from the 30's.

>>3439444
Even if he doesn't speak for the kids the majority of adults do, so what's your point?

All media is created by adults, for kids, who are sat in front of a screen a fed the product. You do realize this, don't you? I mean, you couldn't possibly be so fucken retarded that you think children write, produce and make cartoons along with other products on the marketplace for children that have no money.

The fact is, much like yourself, children have no world expearence and don't know what they want until an adult makes it and gives it to them. So yes, any adult has the right to critique a kids show and decide if it's good or bad.

Now go brush your teeth and mommy will be in to read you story before bed. But not that nu-thundercats crap because it's lazy and dumb.

>>3439105
Both of these are animation dark ages.

>>3439611
But at least those old school cartoons had cool intros :3

>>3439611
What? How? The 80s and early 90s were the golden age of tv animation.

>>3439635
>What? How? The 80s and early 90s were when I was a kid

>>3439645
No you dumb fuck, there is a difference between nostalgia and objectively judging animation quality, production values and overall quality. Especially as artist you should be able to at least understand why so many 80s and 90s anime and cartoons are still so highly regarded. Obviously there was also a lot of crap, but overall, on average, the quality was a lot higher and so was the budget. The industry was just bigger. More talent was hired, more money was spent.

>>3439580
>>3439413
People aren't doing this to hurt you, they're demanding it because they think you can do better. Japan does their best.

>>3439645
>daaad I hate you I won't read books and learn history I hate you so you are wrong
no, fuck off, grow up, read a book nigger. animation was exploding the in 80-90 era, there was money for everything, and talent with passions to lead the projects.

>>3439353
style =/= animation quality

japan has a shitload of issues with their mainstream animation. on the rare occasions they create fluid, powerful, high quality animation it often gets ignored because the animators cut corners with details. see kaiba, pingpong, etc.
tv shows don't have the budget for high quality in art direction AND animation anymore. the only time this worked where the 90s disney afternoon shows.

also i'm not hating on all "pretty" anime. the japs found pretty good ways to work around the budget limitations and good shows spend their animation budget on the action scenes and use tricks to make quieter scenes seem animated even tho they barely are and it works. i think the west could learn a lot from the japanese, but also the other way around

I don't know why people expect so much out of children's cartoons. I cared when I was like 18 but then quickly realized that cartoons aired on CN/Nick/Disney are made for kids and aren't supposed to be amazingly animated epics.

VICE could probably fund alt animation like MTV did in the 90's. They already dipped a toe in that direction like two years ago. Netflix will do it for sure. It's possible to actually make something not aimed at 8 year olds now. Get creative /ic/.

>>3434501
If I'm ever gonna be able to it will be a long ass time from now but I do plan to do something like what was suggested above. I need clout first.

>>3440046
It's more of the fact that new US animators aren't using the new technology and resources that they have at their disposal.

We don't think they suck, we think they can do better than what they're doing now.

>>3438375
git gud fAGout

>>3440008
>I need my tweened fps, I don't care if the final result look good, I have NUMBERS

typical CN bootlicker logic.

>>3440155
>I need my static 3 drawings with mouth flaps on top, I don't care if the animation looks good, I have STILLS.

I can cherry pic too

So is this controversy going to make any changes in animation or not? I'm kind of hoping it does.

>>3440194
You fail at it though

>>3441553
We are never going to see a change in animation until we start seeing networks invest more in third party animation studios that take chances instead of their in-house studios that constantly play it safe. Some stupid 80s kids sperging on the internet aren't going to change anything.

It'd just be nice to see character designs that aren't Disney-ish or blocky noodle people

>>3440103
I agree but don't see studios willing to do anything different so like I don't even entertain it. It's not gonna happen.

So I'm gonna work on my skills as I get a degree and try to get my ""vision"" on point and get people to come to me. That sounds cocky but its my ninja way.

>>3439353
https://youtu.be/XCeY5dpNMdU

yes

>>3438885
>I hate black people.
What did they mean by this?

>talented young hard working pals
is that a prayer or some keyword for some sort of surveillance robot?
all the pros defending that shit literally have the same thing to say, no matter their own style or sensitivities.

>>3434710
nigger what? OP is implying that animation is at a low point and the anon you're replying to refuted that by saying that there has always been cheap animation. how is that avoiding the subject?
and nobody is defending crappy animation or saying it's immune to criticism either. where are you even pulling that from?

>>3446016
their profile icons seem to be the best give-away.
if their icon is of a character that has a rather condescending or meekly narcissitic look starting at you from your device, chances are that they support the Nu-Thundercats.

if their artstyle looks a tad gritty in some way and is kind of sad, they will be a bit more empathetic and aware of how bad things are. either they have given up or are barley hanging by a thread. these are the artists that will probably either don't want to take sides or will support the Original Thundercats.

>>3439560
>When I was a kid I wouldn't have found this show interesting or "cool". It looks like something for toddlers. I was looking for something with a more edgy/adult style that had cool action an cool looking characters.
This. I want western animation to be exciting again.

>>3439105
>it was shit before so its okay for it to be shit now!

the logic of these people astounds me

>>3447590
>opinion on Clarence: What's that? I don't watch cartoons anymore.
>opinion on Thundercats reboot: WTF THEY RUINED MY SHOW!!!! I-I uh mean, they should be turning out a better product, it's not like I cared about the original show or nothing, I'm just criticizing a random show on TV that I hate the look of (WTF THEY RUINED LION O REEEEEEEEEEEEEE).
the logic of you

>>3445774
god I wish that was me

>>3445774
nice animation, source on artist?

>>3434496
>Professional cartoon mainstream work
>Rebeca Sugar inspired potatoes
When does the nightmare stop.

>>3447966
balak

>>3448261
the guy thats making "super fuck friends"

https://hecchidechu.tumblr.com/

>>3448277
meant for >>3447966
damnit

>>3435269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Yw3AVDr6U

>>3446032
If they want to spread their buttcheacks lettem spread em

>>3448277
>>3448261
oh damn, thanks a ton man!
blessing to you for your help, and an honest wish that you succeed in your artistic pursuits

>>3448324
>rotoshit
no thanks

>>3438678
Calarts strikes again.

>>3434682
I always see this argument pop up over any debate of "X (media) used to be better!!" and I don't get it. Do YOU remember those cheap-ass Hanna-Barbera cartoons and cheap shit from the '80s? Because if you do, you should remember how funny that shit was. My main point of contention about this ThunderCats reboot is how pointless it is. I think Steven Universe is a way better direction for this faggot style because it's at least a new property that was designed to work within current trends rather than taking an existing thing kids have never heard of and changing it to the point of being nearly unrecognizable so it can match things completely different to it.

Though ironically ThunderCats Roar actually comes off as the exact type of cartoon you always hear manchildren begging for, which is a reboot of something they watched as a kid redesigned to cater for them now that they're in their late 20s/early 30s, it just so happens that everyone grew up and became a faggot.

>>3447605
I don't get it. Are you saying you are not allowed to have opinions anymore if they are negative towards a recent reboot and you liked the original?

>>3449231
>80 HB was funny
>conclusion start with YOU MANCHILDREN
History revisionism and hole logic, you just can't get enough of it.

>>3449256
>80 HB was funny
'80s cartoons were funny, not necessarily on purpose but yes, they were funny.

>conclusion start with YOU MANCHILDREN
My conclusion was saying networks should stick with developing new franchises when trends change drastically, which is mostly what CN is doing right now. I only see this as different because I don't see the point in digging up a random old show to completely change it other than for manchildren who want their media to grow up with them which is how ThunderCats Roar comes off.

Now that you've learned how to repeat phrases that make it seem like you're shutting down an argument you should try learning reading comprehension so you can actually apply it.

>>3438375
please share your work, or do a quick doodle to avoid reverse image search. I'm really curious to see.

>>3438375
Do you have a portfolio? I might.. work there. I could give you some advice.

>>3448389
I don't know why he named The Red Turtle although the guy clearly asked for a TV show. Well, you could like works by Sylvain Chomet if you are into quality hand drawn animation in films. Alexander Petrov is the god of 2d animation, the best that I have ever seen in animation, I don't understand why his magnificent works are not very well known on imageboards, especially given that he won Oscar.

Hey guys, I hope you're watching the Castlevania cartoon that came out last year. Ya know, so you can support animation for adults. They already greenlit a season 2.

>>3439353
>Ignoring that most of modern anime shows are complete bullshit due to poor writing and fanservice

The entire animation industry is doomed

>>3451942
Damn, this scene looks a lot better speed up.

>>3434819
>Also there was a 2011 visually pelasing Thundercats reboot and non of you fuckers watched it I bet.
I was still a child back then, I didn't even know it existed until now.

>>3434496
I think the better question is why anyone is forcing you to watch it.
This is an industry trend in a series meant for children.

>>3434496
>Will western animation ever recover?

Fixed

>>3434496
The problem with this isn't how it's made but why. The faggot directing thinks Thundercats are a ridiculous concept and the 80's team made it serious ironically, so he's making it ridiculous in porpose because only he knows the true way to make a Thundercats cartoon.

>>3451942
It's as if someone learned to animate fights from watching Episode One, theres so little weight behind those swings its laughable.

>>3434496

Today's cartoons a better than they've ever been anyway.

90s was just muh under the radar jokes and 80s was just muh toy tie in and ugly chins.

>>3445774
All the good western artists are drawing porn

>>3434501
>implying planned and decently styled animation will ever be chosen over the cheap quick shit
sure pal.

>>3454548
>>3457427

>I will continue making the animation industry look like a joke by dumbing down the medium instead of showing it respect

>>3457427
Now this is some high-quality b8
Animation hasn't looked this bad since the 1960s

>>3439921
Where is this from?

>>3460042
Not that anon but its FLCL. one of the best things to have been animated, well, ever

except for the new seasons. those things should have never been brought into reality

>Will animation ever recover?
Eventually. This shit happens in cycles. We had the golden age of animation back in the 30-50's, it started going to shit in the 60's before bottoming out in the 80's, then we had a brief Renaissance in the 90's and now we're moving downhill again.
>>3435605
>None of the shitters shitting on the new reboot backed the other reboot
>I base this assertion, of course, on absolutely nothing

>>3460092
Alternative is absolute shit and has no right to hold the FLCL name, but Progressive is absolutely good by anime standards. Not as good as the original FLCL, but it's got similar humor and vibe, and the one episode out right now has 100x as many unique frames as 99% of any other anime episode. The first 3 minute sequence had more frames than like an entire season of BNHA.

>Tfw our country's animation market is dead
>90's and 2000's had animation's and TV shows that i loved
>2010
>something fucked up
>there's no more domestic anime or cartoon whatever shit on tv

RIP south korean animation

How do you find a team of animators or artistis that don't support this CalArts or Nu-Thundercats shit?
So many artists and industry tier artists I used to follow are defending this shit and makes me really question why I even bother trying to make it into the industry, especially given that the likes of The BreadWinner are failing in revenue.

Is there ANY fucking hope?

>>3460493
oh well, at least you guys are still doing the inbetweens for jap shows. in my country there's nothing.

>>3460493
tfw the animation of my country is so bad that they use and abuse the bone tool.

>>3439105
>disfigured misshapen head is unique design
okay

>>3462747
* ptsd flashbacks of johnny test*

>>3439105
Yet look back about thirteen years ago...

...pretend all you want Tumblr-guys, but facial diversity does not compensate for a shitty art syle. As soon as Pendleton Ward showed up, everything turned into a mishapen fruit-headed la creatura.

>>3462785
this. 90s was still appealing too, especially for nick.

>>3435269
Gumball

>>3439635
Those cartoons are from the 60s.

>>3462727
> not in the industry
>"wh-why are all the people in the industry defending this??"
>has no clue how the animation industry works
>mfw

>>3462727
If people that are inside the industry, who knows more about it than you do; draw more than you do and made it before you are defending this what makes you think your opnion matters anymore?

Im an animator on Tangled the Series.

We try to animate the show in a very traditional way. Its very difficult and requires kickass animators as well as a support staff of the same amount of kickass.

Toonboom is powerful software but an animator is only as good as the rig they work with. Literally the only reason we can get 3d looking characters out of a 2d rig is because of our builds team and most service studios don't have the resources we do.

Also adding that most shows are done outside of America now.

Animation is the most expensive form of entertainment per minute. It's all about shortcuts. It's always been about shortcuts. Western style developed because we wanted to be able to animate as cheaply as possible. Eastern style developed in a similar way, they wanted a style that put as muchbdetail into everybdrawing as possible. For that reason the animation suffers a lot. A lot of svenes in anime arebstill images. Thats not to say what Japanese and Korean animators are doing isnt fucking amazing, but to make all the episodes they need their companies cut corners in orher places like animator pay.

Animated television s all about cutting corners. It would be nice if I could make every scene I got a work of art but I need to put food on the table and so does my boss, the producer, broadcasters, advertisers, etc.

I don't really like the situation but Im lucky to be in a studio where I can be proud of the episodes we make every 2 weeks. We're definitely working on a unique show.

What i'm saying is don't blame the animators, or the designers, or really anyone. It's just making an animated show for a profit requires a lot of corner cutting.

>>3434496

Isn't the whole point of cartoons to be ugly?

>>3457473
supply and demand
stop watching shit and actually invest money in good looking animation
most people are lazy and want cheap if not free entertainment.
Animation is like a fine restaurant and most people want a cheap Mc D. burger

>>3463498

But I don't want animation, I want cartoons LMAO.

>>3463509

>>3439385
they both got worse for different reasons

>>3447580
fuck a bauhaus inspired animation would be tight

Now the powers that be claim Calarts style isnt real. We were wrong about all those bean mouths. It was literally nothing.

>>3457174
It's a fictitious sword fight against a vampire. The fight maintained a good pace of speed and was very well animated

>>3441556
Nice rebuttle, but no.

>>3451942
In addition to having ugly animation, all the characters are tropes, all the plot points are tropes, nothing in the story is particularly inspired or creative. It’s literally just demons vs the church and the church is worse than demons.

>>3439105
Look at golden age CN shows instead of awful 80s cartoon. There's like 5-6 good designs on the right, the rest is garbage made only for the sake of "looking different" with no thought given about aesthetic or coherent design.
What pushed every animator to pickup this middle of the road ugly style? Was it the success of Adventure Time, who managed to pull it off well? I wonder.

>>3434682
Atleast Scooby-Doo's artist seemed to have a grasp of what looks decent

>>3434819
Also the 2011 thundercats had great ratings according to the main producer in the recent interview and it was cancelled for Chima and the network was like "don't worry we will get the same ratings because Chima is practically the same thing for half the money!" So yeah people watched but the network were a bunch of cheap assholes

>>3464446
wow Scooby is actually a pretty large dog

>>3464452
for you

>>3464227
With little to no weight. Your statements do not change that. Vampire Hunter D does the same premise far better.

https://youtu.be/CcUoNkrrniI?list=LLpAvNtJeX0coSeibZMTTWpg&t=34

That also feels like im seeing things impact each other rather than some phony choreographed scene.

>>3463373
Do you think that maybe, just MAYBE
that you guys are being pushed into making your animations a lot more fluid than they really need to be? I've noticed a lot of 2D shows just come across as looking unnecessarily smooth 90% of the time and ironically, it comes across as unappealing.
I'd much rather have shows from the 90s or 2000's that were a little janky in motion all so that the art style doesn't suffer.

Maybe your management is unaware of this? CastlevaniaNetflix doesn't suffer as much from "silky smooth" animation throughout the show and it ironically, looks more visually interesting.

>>3464211
Wow. Gee, I guess all the meanie naysers for this Nu-Thundercats were in the wrong all along.
Guess we'll excuse ourselves now and let this brilliant artstyle continue festering wherever we go.

>>3464236
>space rock lesbians are cooler and apparently not as interesting compared to seeing demons and royalty fighting against a power that actually held back society from making strides in technology and human rights in the Western world

>>3438885

>>3438375
do you go to an art school Right now? SVA or others? I hear that most students that go there get internships from connections from alumni and teachers

>>3464704
While I have little love for the Church, they were the ones who kept all the old knowledge, and had schools to study it, and where most strides in technology came from for a thousand years

>>3439353
Yeah now let's see both in motion.
Anime looks good in still because its like 3 frames a second, most of which is just mouth movement with the occasional action/high movement scene ever other episode. at least with a simpler style there is more budget to actually animate the characters moving. I'm not defending Thundercats specifically, but look at any mid 2000's western cartoon vs. anime from the same time period and you will see much more movement. Anime is just a manga slideshow with voice acting, and at that point there is barely a point to its existence while western animation usually tries to show as much movement as possible because that is the whole point of animating a drawing

>>3438885
>Lowest unemployment rate for God knows how long
>"Muh, there are no jobs!!!"

It's not 2010 anymore

>>3465266
>3 frames a second
8 frames a second actually, you pleb. And I'm not a weeb fag but there is much more going on with "slideshow" animation as opposed to evenly inbetweenied pose to pose shit. I love western shows from the 1950s and 60s and am in awe of the craft despite there not being much inbetweening. Animation is about telling stories with distinct pictures in a sequence, not how many inbetweens you have. The inbetweens in shows are outsourced and traced from model sheets anyways.

>>3464998

>>3465266
>>3465300
Can't we just appreciate both?
Most of us won't work in eastern industry, so I see no point in discussing the difference between animation techniques although I also like anime.
Yes you can improve your animation by seeing how japs do something. Just as japs can improve by checking western style (eg Trigger and Gainax)
But in the end saying that "this should be like that" or "this shit smells better than that one" and that it should all be equal is purely waste of time.

>>3435321

>>3434496
It'll recover with time

>>3438678
Yeah and people think this is a rebuttal

>>3463440
>calarts sakura
don't do this to my daughter

>>3465989
aside from Dipper and Gumball, the other 2 still have that gay ass sausage mouth

>>3464452
Great Danes are pretty fucking big, last I recall.

They're second only to Irish Wolfhounds, which are like 7 feet tall when standing on their back legs.

>>3435378
>implying people didn't support it
>implying CN can properly manage their shows and that it's somehow not their fault

>>3466088
also blue meta cat has that weird smile, too. Just google it.

>>3464692
Honestly, I would love to be doing a snappier show. Making your animation as fluid and snappy as possible is just more fun. Tangled is fun as well, but when you’re working with a name like Disney, demands are high. Disney has almost branded their animation style this point. That all ties into what Disney is trying to do with the show, to make it fit with the movie.

I get what you’re trying to say. When it comes to storytelling gathering fluidity of the animation doesn’t matter. You’ll see a lot of that in the old NFB Canada animation (fucking love that stuff btw). But art style is just one principle of animation. The problem is with aesthetics. You have to meet both broadcaster and audience demands, you have to have a marketable style, toys, etc.

In the end we’re trying to sell something to kids. They have to like it and I guess some marketing exec decided that to do that our cartoons had to be on twos instead of threes or fours.

Like I said, Japanese animators work just as hard or harder than my team. Both philosophies can be done well or badly, in the end it’s all about which principles you value most, or rather, which principles your audience values most.

God damn, though, what I wouldn’t give to go back to pencil and paper. Fuck.

>>3438885
fuck, i actually thought this was a joke or something for like a solid minute while I was watching the video

>>3440046
You are stupid. I always cared about the animation. Good animation helps children learn and can be used to spark creativity. The stock animated shows lack that, but children nowadays don't know any better.

>>3434496
No

>>3434496
Thundercats more like tumblrcats lmao. Steven Universe Cats. Sjw cats hahaha. Gay people trans cats. Muslim cats. Feminist body positivity cats hahaha

>>3434819
>Maye we can get a situationcloser to what Japan has
I'm actually surprised we don't have that yet. I'm sure there is a large untapped market here of people who would genuinely appreciate more serious/mature art styles like Death Note for example

I've seen better animation from pervs on Pornhub.

>>3437825
Cal Arts

>>3462785
>comparing this

>>3439105
>to this on the right

Godamn, how the fuck did it get to this point, and people actually defend the direction CN has taken now too

>>3465266
Show me a modern western cartoon with the same quality of animation as anime shown here. https://www.sakugabooru.com/post

Not every anime is just as you described you know, it's like comparing Yuru Camp with Darling in the Franxx, some shows have no need of constant movement and action while others have entire episodes with nothing but that.

>>3462785
90s and even into the 2000s there were more unique styles because the networks contracted 3rd party studios. It's all the in-house shit that looks the same.

>>3470603
>in-house shit where every animator studied the same shitty Calarts equivalent/style as every other animator did and that's all they know

Godamn, what a mess

>>3470610
From what I'm guessing, I think they used the CalArt techniques into making these cartoons but it looks as if that maybe, that they also might have incorporated their own approaches to making their shows, judging by some of their art styles and janky movement sometimes.

Then again, its possible that CalArts might have been a more visionary type of college at one point in time, while these shows were getting made. Its hard to know unless you actually had insiders leaking information about it or people digging around online all sorts of interviews and presentations that link up to the institute. It could be good cannon fodder to back yourself up in an argument with some of these "nu-age cartoonists" on Twitter.

Hell, some of them could probably do with a decent lecture.