/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3432881
>wanting to surround yourself with hard working and dedicated people who arent spiteful, resentful or viceful so as to influence your subconcious peripheral awareness and generally grow your person in a wholesome way
it would be great wouldnt it. you are too naive, people like that dont exist anymore, certainly not communities full of them.

CA

>>3432881
It's called design school. Newsflash all those Asian Americans are pulling in just as many hours as you are. You're only doing it from afar.

>>3432881
Artstation is pretty nice. But no chat just a website. Maybe you have something local you can go to and meet likeminded people.

>reading and analysing

but do you actually draw?
If you're talking about art history and not art creation that's fine but this is a critique board, we're all artists here

Alot of people think that they're making amazing art progress by just sucking up knowledge but it's worth nothing compared to actually drawing

>>3432911
I don't give a damn about art history to be honest. I study how artists do linework, how they handle values and edge work etc. I look for ways to get better so I can execute my personal ideas in the way I want.

As I said, I draw 6+ hours.

>>3432917
6 hours isn't impressive, kid.

>>3432888

This. Also this applies to any job. Work ethics is really hard to come by.

t. works as engineer in automotive and see colleagues trying to up me on conversation even though I bring topics out of interest and curiousity

>>3432920
It's more than what you do for sure.

>>3432923
I work and am able to pull in 6 to 8 hours, kid.

>>3432920
6 hours a day consistently is pretty good

>>3432925
Yeah but we're all anons until we post work so.

>>3432881
add me on discord
Youghurt#6915
i'm that way too, been asking around here recently the same thing

>>3432921
>up me
like "shut you up" or "one up you"?

Im just about the same way, I created a discord server just for this reason. Im using roles to separate the beginners from experienced as well. https://discord.gg/HmxzhR

>>3432932

One up me and in consequence kinda shut me up since I can't even stop the stream of words without interrupting in really rude way. And I was brought up to be polite and talk dialogue, not monologue.

>>3432881
no one will talk about art because it brings the uncomfortable truths of subjective experience to the surface to be argued over without benefit. those that do are generally charlatans with more political agenda than art appreciation.

>>3432881
You and me both.

So far conceptart.org is the best there is.

>>3432881
kinda know those feels, idk what the drawfag servers are but if you want an art buddy hmu
fraudmaid@gmail.com

>>3433321
:(

>>3432881
We should start a discord, even just a couple of us for now

>>3433794
You got discord?

>>3432920

It's impressive to me.

I've tried to draw 6 hours a day before, aiming for thirty hour weeks. I only made it three weeks before cracking.

Pic related, it's the chart I used in 2015 to keep track of my progress.

Image one f anyone's interested here https://discord.gg/Rurraxe

>>3432881
we have a small discord with a handful of (professional too) drawing strivers
we dont really have off topic channels like most so its pretty drawing specific. its a year old server and most of the people in the discord have known each other since 2014 or earlier.

just add me and ill give invites pera#0738

>3 different discords already

>>3433831
in the nicest way possible, post work pls

>>3432881
I feel the same way, dropped college, vidya and most internet ''''''''''''''''friends''''''''''' I got a friend who is into art, and he is pretty good ( he draws casually for 5-6 years but he is in a pretty decent level really ) I share drawings with him, but lately he has been busy with life and can't draw as much anymore

I wish to know more people who share this dedication and have a group of max of 4 people. Bigger groups tend to go to different directions and be generally dysfunctional, in a small group is easier to keep everyone in the same page.

>>3432927
>Discord shitter
>Quality

>Guy genuinely wants to improve
>Thread gets swarmed with underage discord cucks spamming their shitty servers
Go play CSGO, LOL or whatever the retarded shit you niggers burn your time with

>>3432881
>I'm commiting 100%
>But I need friends its lonely :(
Art IS lonely, unless you are lucky to have a master, or you are willingly to sacrifice learning speed to have a social life, you better get used to be all by yourself

>>3434617

Here's something I made and posted to an improvement thread a couple weeks after I drew the latter piece. I was told by several people that not only had I not improved but I regressed, which was a devastating wake-up call as I was feeling very proud to have put 400+ hours into my art.

You can see on the chart what this realization did to me. I started blowing all my goals and basically quit drawing for two years.

By far the biggest gains I've experienced were the year prior. Every morning, Monday to Friday, I would listen to the Opie & Anthony show and do nothing but Proko's figure drawing exercises. I only took a break when the radio show took a break. It was three hours a day, sometimes a little more. I started with gesture, and after a month I switched to bean, then robo bean, then mannequinization. It wasn't some grueling Herculean schedule, it was just 15 hours a week, something to work on while listening to a radio show I liked.

That summer I tried to get fancy and it all started going downhill. I bought Scott Robertson's book and started regimenting my schedule more. A half hour of freehand straight lines, curves and ellipses. Two hours of basic perspective drawing exercises. An hour of gesture. An hour of anatomy study. An hour of Scroto exercises. I tried to push myself hard in every are and ultimately got nothing out of it except burn out. I tried picking it up again in 2015 with even more structured goals. Four and a half hours a day. Then five the next week. Then five and a half the next week. Then six. Again, burn out.

If I was going to give it another shot I would go back to where I started, which is just three hours a day of gesture. But I'm 28 now and I need to be realistic. If it was in me to accomplish these goals I would have done it years ago. All I do now is doodle for fun and play Jacob Marley to younger artists.

>>3434639
/ic/ literally killing dreams.

>>3434640

I killed my dream. /ic/ just opened my eyes.

>>3434639
Are u a neet to have so much free time?

>>3434811

Yes.

>>3432920
>>3432917
Not a dick measuring contest

>>3432924
sure you do crabby

>>3434825
Uhh did you just assume I have a penis, you shitlord?

>>3434818
How do u become a neet and not die of starvation?

>>3434831

Parents.

It's not a lifestyle I recommend.

>>3432924
Love the edgelord persona. This is what losers think it's like to be a badass tough guy. Literally nothing personnel, kid

>>3432888
My gf has a discord with at least a dozen active users. Just because you're stuck on 4chan doesn't mean everywhere else is shitty too.

And before you ask, it's friends and friends of friends only.

>>3434639
>>3434641
This is so sad anon, what the hell. this post ruined my day. Broken dreams are the worst, the fucking worst.
Courage anon, please survive

>>3432881
I'm trying to be dedicated and am starting to see art as a lifestyle myself. I'm not very good as I've recently broke out of my shell and started to actually commit to the act of drawing, we can be friends and talk about art I'm all for it.

can't fall asleep#7539

>>3434841

Coming to terms with my failure was very hard to go through.

My lifelong ambition was to be a comic book artist, with the ultimate dream being to write and draw my own stories.

When I was 23 I told myself that if I worked four hours a day for the next five years I would be good enough to make a shot at the industry. I knew I was blooming late, but my teens and early 20s were a nightmare of depression and breakdown. High school art classes were shit and I dropped out of high school so art school was a no go. I didn't even know there were fundamental skills of drawing until I discovered /ic/ when I was 21.

Somehow the years have slipped away. Now I'm 28 and I'm no farther ahead than I was at 23.

It's nobody's fault but mine. I'm a terrible self-starter and a terrible student.

This year I got a job at Costco and just draw for fun now. I rewatched Dragon Ball and DBZ for the first time in 15 years last year and it got me back into drawing after two years off. It just reminded me why I want to do it.

I'd like to enroll in the drawing certificate program at the local art school but I'd have to get a high school diploma first and cough up $7000, and I hear the program is pretty shit anyway.

>>3434839
We don't know who you are and nobody cares either. Why the fuck would someone ask for your discord server?

>>3434869
Anon are you the neet too?
How long have you been one? I merely ask because I'm 27, same sortve dreams, same sort of failings, and have been a neet 8 years now and in all that 8 years I drew maybe once or twice, and only just started getting back into it a few months ago in the hopes I can make it. I have mental problems that got in the way of my life for all that time and some, and still have to deal with them (some days I don't do a single art related thing cause of it) but I just am curious as to if you're a neet because of choice or if maybe you have some stuff to work on personally (can be whatever not insinuating you're mental like me sry) thats stopping you? Maybe just the fear of failure, idk, this is mostly just a pointless rant at this stage. But from the 2015 one the inking seems cool its just perspective and anatomy that can be worked on and improved.
Idk about you but after wasting so long in my room doing nothing but absorb media when I even could I no longer care about the what if's; I figure only got 1 shot, already blew some of it, and it's a dream. You know?

>>3434869
You're very strong honestly
If my dreams were to shatter, I would die inside. I guess this is why I can't give up

>>3434869
>>3434906
this is basically me but i just turned 23.

did okay in school, skipped the majority of high school because of depression, but i was not only playing video games i always had an interest to do something ( graphic design, web development, i was really all about computers so i did this on the side), I've always enjoyed drawing when i was younger but stopped because my father did it ( i basically didn't want to do anything my father liked).

Anyway, i'm pretty well versed in computers and web development to a certain degree the best i can do self-taught, which isn't too shabby. Around a year ago, I decided to be an artist since I really loved art and only admired it from afar due to the reason i've mentioned previously, decided I won't let my childhood decide who i am and just do art.

Already a year later, and I haven't done anything really meaningful besides just work, I slowly stopped doing everything but work and sleep and shit and the one thing I thought that was save me "art". It seemed fruitless, all i REALLY did was "gather materials" bought art supplies, books ( jk, got all my shit on cgpeers kek), digital tablets. Drew abit here and there but nothing real concrete.
I recently broke out of my shell and just started viewing everything completely differently, everything I've been browsing and all the articles, posts i've seen started coming to me and I've just started to write everything single fucking thing I could recall and bam I've started to say fuck it, let's acutally go ham on this.

7 years till i'm 30, let's blast this with everything i got.

There seems to be a few of you guys that are similar to me in a way, maybe we should be friends and accompany each other on this journey. I don't want no discord group bullshit ( add me on skype or w.e lol), I just want to know very few people possible and to build a solid connection.

Sounds weird asking this on /ic/ but this is unique circumstance... why not take it?

>>3433321
>those that do are generally charlatans with more political agenda than art appreciation.
The fuck does that even mean?

>>3434906

I was a NEET, and that's when I was trying to do six hour days, but this year I finally got help from a doctor and got a Lexapro prescription that helped my depression and anxiety a lot.

I know how you feel. NEET life is barely a life. It's just surviving, not living. It sucks when there's something you want to buy and it takes you years to save up for it, when someone with a job could do it in weeks.

>>3434911

I'm not strong. If I was strong I would have been able to achieve my goals instead of spending years fucking around. Trust me, I'm still devastated.

>>3434921

Whatever you do don't make my mistake. Don't think you have years and years to do something and keep putting it off. If you want to do something then fucking do it. But don't drive yourself crazy pressuring yourself either. Ultimately if it's what you really want to do you'll find time to keep up with it.

I play guitar as a mental escape from life and art and in the last two years I've improved a ton just because I always have the urge to pick the thing up and learn a new song or nail down a solo or just figure out new stuff to play. It kind of sucks because a career in music is even less realistic than a career in art for me.

>>3434921
Sounds like fun, let's do it. How do you feel like getting in touch?

>>3434935
thanks, i'm just thinking of the 7 years as a sort of goal. basically have a career established in art by the time i'm 30, i guess.

>>3434951
i linked my discord already; but i don't want any groups, or like it really needs to be small like a small IM group of like 2-3 ppl, even then that's pushing it imo, i feel like it's better to personally know fewer people with the same mentality as you.

can't fall asleep#7539

>>3434921
>I don't want no discord group bullshit
>to build a solid connection
then the only people youre going to be building " solid connections" with are beginners, nobody sane enough would work with or be friends someone like you.

>>3434957

Seven years is a long time. It's good to think long term but don't neglect the short term.

Where do you want to be in six months?

>>3434957
Are you sure you typed it right? Discord doesn't want to acccept it.

>>3434958
i was responding to the guy ( or guys; seems like two diff people?) that are in a similar position like me, not you.

>>3434961
I think within 6 months I'd like to have the fundamentals to an acceptable level; but I'm not exactly sure how that is possible, I'll need to break down what I need to study and maintain a good balance between studies and "fun" drawings so I don't burn out.

>>3434966
changed it for you, not sure why it's not working before.

mormo#7539

>>3434971

Try to set a more specific goal than "I want to get better."

Decide what specifically you want to get better at, and what specifically you want to be able to do that you couldn't do before. Then break that down into smaller chunks.

For example, "accurately draw the arm in any pose from memory" is a good goal. Then that breaks down to learning the shape of the bones, the range of the joints, the muscle attachment points, the shapes of the muscles, the simple forms of the arm and the gesture of the arm. So from one long term goal you have many more manageable goals. And of course "learning to draw arms" is itself a subgoal of the larger goal of learning to draw people.

In one of his books Loomis says the details of the ear can be learned with just a few nights of study. That's another very short term goal. That's a very good approach to learning something.

>>3432924
8 hours isn't impressive, kid, when i was a kid like you i did from 12 to 16, but you'll learn one day...if you survive that is...heh...

>>3434625
there's alot of discords out there with members dedicated to getting better. I know that alot of smut artists throw up servers.

>i set myself the goal to draw x large amount of arbitrary hours a day and burned myself out in a week
what the fuck guys, come on
small steps at first

>>3434625
Depends, what do you draw?

>>3434639
damnnn first picture looks bettterr..

>>3434639
If you are truly creative my friend you will still not less this stop you... Creativity has you you don't have creativity.

We are miserable when we aren't doing anything exploratory, perhaps that's why the studying bumbed you out, it wasn't exploratory it was routine.

>>3432927
Feelsbadman, hes missing out youghurt you are a top lad desu.

I'm in kind of a similar situation. I'm turning 27 this year and i think i'm good enough to maybe get a somewhat sizeable following online and doing commissions, but years of depression, self-loathing and working a dead end job have completely rotted away my imagination and what little self confidence i had. Seriously, my mind is completely fucking blank most of the time so all i do is doodle uninspired shit in my sketchbook. I look at someone like ONE, whose far from technically impressive, but has work with such a personal, energetic touch that elevates his wobbly doodles and i think that if i ever had a chance of making a comic as good as his stuff, i missed my chance years ago. Ngmi lads.

>>3436864

Yes it does. My precious, carefully crafted schedule and 400 hours of work accomplished nothing.

>>3436877

This is the problem, because even when I don't necessarily feel like drawing I am compelled to do it. And if I'm not doing it I'm thinking about doing it.

The problem I have always had is getting over the hump. On the near side of the hump I have ideas but no skills to do them justice. On the far side of the hump I have ideas and the skills to make them work. On the hump itself I have to ignore my ideas and build those skills. It's tough.

>>3437202
I believe in you anonkun

Looking for a discord.

I draw 2-3 hours dayli. Digitally and traditionally.

>>3433831
What were you doing during those 6 hours? Pure drawing? Or did you count the times you were reading too?

rate my prog? 23 now started getting serious 19

>>3437623
What did you even get serious about? Are you learning construction? Perspective? Composition? Anatomy? I'm honestly not even sure what I'm looking at.

>>3437585

Pure drawing. I didn't count reading.

I was doing line/ellipse exercises, gesture studies, anatomy studies (from Bridgman), perspective exercises, film studies (I drew Goodfellas and Taxi Driver in shot-by-shot greyscale thumbnails) and at the end of each day a half hour of creative work in whatever medium I liked, which was usually freehand drawing with a dip pen.

My failing was a lack of focus, I think. Had I just focused on gesture, and then on building form on that gesture, and then on learning the function of anatomy, for example, I would have seen more improvement.

>>3437623
Symbol Drawing.

>>3437623
>23 now started getting serious 19
me too and i'm a pro now. you suck

>>3432881
I didn't read your post but i drew your OP

>>3437792
Here, have a cookie.

>>3434639
You didn't get worse, the original pose wasn't very difficult and you left your comfort zone.

The discord links expired, looking for serious artists as well. Beg tier but looking to improve and help offer critique

>>3437861
My goal right now

>>3437792
how u do that, i want.

>>3432881
>he doesnt know professional art discords are still full of shitposting and goofing around

>>3437843

I wish someone had said this three years ago.

previous server went to shit due to admin inactivity, feel free to join https://discord.gg/WBZ5gR

>>3437901
soo how active is it now?

>>3436321
Heh, I eat beginners like you for breakfast. The only reason I let you live is because I skipped breakfast, too busy drawing. Gotta dedicate 25 hours of my 8 day week to perfecting my craft so I can shit on the losers and crabs here. You all are NGMI anyway. Don't take it personnel kid.

>>3437976
>25 hours of my 8 day week
But that's only 3.12 hours a day lol

>>3434839
Lol, kid thinks anyone would want to join a random discord server with god knows what people in it.
Grow up kid.

>>3437784
Wow, you sound very similar to this anon. Maybe post your work, you could give him a basis for comparison. Something to mull over and potentially find direction from.

>>3438020
Shut the fuck up with the autistic ‘kid’ shit

>>3438117
>reveals weakness to trolling
you really are a kid lol

>>3438120
Ree

>>3437866
lots of practice

>>3438020
>my gfs server
>friend of friends only
so their her friends then
kek, how sad

>>3432888
they never did exist

>>3432881
>6+ hours a day
Youre killing yourself slowly
Take breaks please and dont be so hard on yourself and have fun

>>3437623
>current wip
>copies stupid celebrity press photos with high lense distortion
t. devolution

>>3437623
peaked at XYZ desu

>>3439122
6 is nothing. it's barely passable to make it in 5 years~. anything less than that, and you'll never be pro.

>>3439122
you don't understand. OP wants to be a great artist

>>3439617
post your sub-amateur work

>>3437901
>https://discord.gg/WBZ5gR
this link is expired

>>3440914
my bad, this one wont
https://discord.gg/3eUtn5D

>>3434639
draw from life mate, and copy the masters
ITS THE ONLY WAY

>>3434971
Dunno if you and the other anon are still lurking here, but if you are, is it cool if I add you? I'm pretty much in the same boat, and reading what you guys said kinda compelled me to reply. I wanna give this a try as well.