/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3432196
Yeah when you draw a lot you get better at it

>>3432197
I think he was looking for ways to avoid drawing a lot.

>>3432196
Just draw a lot. If you want a shortcut that takes less time and effort. There is non. Now get back to drawing OP

>>3432196
yes
>analog
stop erasing
>digital
no undo or erasing

no, seriously, that's it

>>3432196
Who's the artist on the left?

>>3432196
put a timer on your art. And a deadline where you stop and start again.

>>3432492
Me

>>3432509
blog?

>>3432196
20 60 second gestures everyday. If you're already intermediate level. 50 30 second gestures.

>>3432196
Actually yes. They are called practice.

>>3432299
I'm sure that's the case yes. That's why people like that are NGMI.

post more angel foxes

>>3432522
It's not him

https://twitter.com/kishibe_

>>3432196
That second example you gave is pretty important. I see a lot of artists draw that way. You can get to that level by practising silhouette. It's mentioned in Keys to Drawing as well. Try drawing the silhouette first thing, and try to think of the 'space' an object takes in the picture plane. That is in essence proportion. Training to see silhouette is an exercise that brings a lot of drawing fundamentals together, awareness of angles, shapes, space and position. Try to do it alot. At some point images will pop into your head. You can visualize them too. And then you just draw. I feel like it engages the spatial as opposed to the symbolic part of the brain. It's pretty key to drawing from imagination. Plus design.
A retard on another thread said this is what beginners do, instead you should draw through the figure, and with forms. Fucking crabs. Construction, if you need it, should follow this. (You might want to have some kind of foundation in classical drawing as well btw. The measurements, plumblines, angles etc.)

>>3432533

I don't really think that helps as much as you think it does. I've met people at art school who draw beautiful gestures but can't make finished work.

>>3432659
Oh and practice blind contour and just contour drawing in general. Drawing with a single line throughout, silhouette first, then move in. General -> Specific.

>>3432660
It helps to speed you up especially if you focus in on a specific thing you want to hone. Like gesture, or silhouette.

>>3432196
to get faster you just practice being accurate, anyone can draw faster, like you can scribble all over a page in seconds, the issue is accuracy, and so that's what you practice, speed comes on it's own.

>>3432196
do gesture drawings, a lot, of your subject, from various angles various poses, until it becomes second nature

>>3432196
Heres the best advice I got.
Draw forms as shortcuts. Like a head as a upside egg, body as a long pear, etc.
Not too long ago I was thinking of a way to sketch faster and I learned to draw the head, body and limbs as forms before tracing them to produce a body.
Now when I just wanna sketch a quick character I imagine the pose in my head and use forms to simulate it, then go from that.

So pretty much just paint the image in your mind and come up with a shortcut like forms to draw on paper. Then turn it into a human body or whatever.

>>3432659
Drawing silhouette and contour lines does nothing to help you draw from imagination. And in pic that OP provided you can clearly see, that's not a silhouette.

I'm calling bullshit. Post your art.

>>3433954
not him but check out that junji ito thread

>>3433954
Really
>does nothing
NGMI

>>3436785
I can decently draw from photos, but I can't draw cute girls from imagination; your argument is invalid.

>>3433954
It's not like you learn to draw from imagination by mindlessly drawing random shapes lol.
You observe and mimic. And through the repetition of this you improve your visual library. Then at one point you can basically draw anything by combining all the information that you collected through the years without the need to use reference.
That's what means to draw from imagination.

>>3436887
Post your art.

>>3436893
What will happen if I post my art? Will suddenly everything I said either gain or lose relevance based on how skilled I am?

>>3436916
>Will suddenly everything I said either gain or lose relevance based on how skilled I am?

Yes, obviously, because if you’re shit at art then your advice is bullshit you pulled out of your ass.

>>3436916
>Will suddenly everything I said either gain or lose relevance based on how skilled I am?
Yeah, pretty much.
If your art is shit, then it's a proof that you don't know how to draw from imagination.
If your art is good, then it's a good idea to rethink your advice, even if it contradicts what I've been told by other experts (like Scott Robertson who advocates construction rather than some contour drawing).

Anyone can make claims that sound really reasonable. But only people who git gud can prove that their claims are true.

>>3436929
Here's my art. This was drawn completely from imagination. Now what?

>>3436929
>>3436937
-cont.
Forgot to answer your claims. Construction drawing and contour drawing are both legit learning tools. Why do you people have to deal in extremes every single time?
Best approach to learning is to experiment with multiple approaches.

>>3436940
>Why do you people have to deal in extremes every single time?
Because it looks like in this post: >>3432659 you called people who use construction retards and crabs:
>A retard on another thread said this is what beginners do, instead you should draw through the figure, and with forms. Fucking crabs.
It looked like your idea about how to git gud is opposite of using construction. But now that you elaborated a bit on that (>>3436940) I see that wasn't your point.

>>3436937
>This was drawn completely from imagination. Now what?
Looks decent to me. I guess I was wrong after all. Huh.
Thanks for your tips that you shared in your previous posts Anon! I'll try following your advice.

>>3436929
Also another thing.
>only people who git gud can prove that their claims are true.
This is pretty much BS. There can be reasonable beginners that know what they are talking about as well as skilled pros that wing stuff and are awful at giving advice.

>>3436951
>Because it looks like in this post you called people who use construction retards and crabs
>you
That wasn't me. I have no idea why you are assuming that lol.

>>3436937
>no timestamp

>>3436959
That pic wasn't posted anywhere on the internet. Here's your proof, crab.

>>3436955
Yeah, sorry about that - this whole anonymous thing gets confusing sometimes.

>>3432196

>>3436951
The problem is that construction isn't a way to learn drawing so much as it is a tool with requires drawing skills. It enables you to put your drawings in perspective from imagination. But so many people here trip up over it thinking it will make them draw when it won't.

>>3436817
Post your imagination work.

>>3436929
Loomis mentions in Successful Drawing that construction is a twin to contour. You can't have construction without thinking about contour alongside. And that makes sense. Drawing is measuring and using your eye. Construction doesn't do that. So if you're constructing a head in 3/4th. It's going to look crap unless you're observing the angles and shapes that the face will make at that view. Once you've done that enough, you can do it from imagination. But construction alone is only a tool to put your drawings into perspective and have a better sense of form. It actually requires drawing skills to pull off.

>>3436953
>>only people who git gud can prove that their claims are true.
>This is pretty much BS. There can be reasonable beginners that know what they are talking about as well as skilled pros that wing stuff and are awful at giving advice.
Who would you rather believe:
a beggar saying that he knows how to get rich
or a rich businessman saying that he knows how to get rich

Yes, you're right: beggar could know a thing or two about becoming rich. But only someone insane would listen to financial advice from a beggar.

>>3438564
This is a very bad comparison.
Better comparison would be between an economy student and a rich businessman.

>>3438564
It depends on the advice. Some of it you can judge for yourself
>Beggar: If you rip up a dollar, you will lose a dollar.
>Rich man: Rip up all your money - that is the way to get rich (kek)

>>3436966
That proves you’re the commissioner. Timestamp your work, faggot.

>>3438589
That wasn't a commission, crabby.
Here you go.

>>3438589
How's your anus?

>>3438589
Yikes.

>>3438589
>As soon as you get proven wrong you stop replying
You are the epitome of a bitch as nigga. Stop shit posting and go draw some anime tiddies, maybe you'll get better

>>3436937
nice rack sistah!

>>3438589
Start apologizing bitch.

>>3438589
>>3438654

>>3436937
Naga is my waifu.

>>3440358
The legend. One of the only people who post art on this board

>>3441788
Imagine how cool it would be if it was actually good art.