/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3415307
im ambivalent: to some extent it's good looking and the artists can be extremely skilled, on the other hand it's impossible to gauge skill level and for most of them a 10 year old smoking crack could do a similar job painting creating them.

>>3415307
It's quite difficult to understand and replicate unless you have a high level understanding of the fundamentals.

>>3415307
It exist to express yourself at a very basic level, and that's it, you can not improve at, you only need some composition basics and nothing more, and even that can be ignored

>>3415307

using the human speech level comparison. abstract art is the sound baby makes. sounds cute when a baby do it, not so much when a full grown adult do it.

>>3415307
Good for decoration, not so much for contemplation. Your pic related would be great up on the wall at a nice pizza place or something, but I wouldn't go to a gallery and look at it in any depth.

Not art

The greatest scam in the 20th-21st century

>>3415307

In the circles where this type of art matters, it's only because there is a name/brand attached to it. The only people who see this as true art are the ones trying too hard to be part of that circle.

>>3415361
This is either a great troll or a tumblr-level of retard.

Its fucking gay
and thats saying a lot coming from a gay guy

It depends.

If it's done with an eye towards established art practices (perspective,balance, design etc.) and skill.Then it can be great.

If its an excuse for lazy people to put something on canvas to pretend that there's a deeper meaning when it's just a gimmick, then it's bullshit:

> Ex. Salvador Dali vs Barnett Newman.

>>3415307
it's contentious innit? although, i'd argue conceptual art is even more controversial

>>3415307
I think it's hard for most people today to see how it revolutionary it was when it first appeared. I doubt many people realize the amount of theory/intellect that went into many of those early abstract works, Kandinsky was definitely one of those geniuses.

Also most of those early european abstract artists were trained classically, but rejected it. I don't really know much about contemporary abstract art though.

>>3415517
also, most of it is directly related to WWI and tensions/revolution surrounding that entire era. not exactly something the west today can feel or relate to. Interesting to think that abstract art is within a kind of historical abstraction to us now.

>>3415361

They should really make 2 boards, an art board and a digital art board, cause you digital art fags should stick to jerking off over disney and pixar.

>>3415554
your pretentious shit isn't worth its own board

>>3415517
>revolutionary
who cares, things should be qualified by themselves and not because of "historical significance"

>>3415307
Abstraction is to travel, what Landscape is to touring and sight-seeing.

His comments on speed also apply to this form of art.

>>3415578
context literally makes ALL art better though, especially when there's actual reasons behind a movement.

>>3415595
That's interesting. I actually think the Futurists would argue against this with regards to speed, rather than "a nostalgic desire", speed is something directly linked to modernity, everything they produced was out of a desire to embrace a changing world and destroy the old ways of life.

>>3415307
It only uses half of the potential of the medium so it's on the same artistic level as an illustration in a field guide. Not really worth thinking about in any depth.

>>3415307
theory becomes the point instead of similarity to the subject/technique

art becomes more a conversation piece than an interesting thing "by itself"

nothing inherently wrong with it but seems reductionistic

>>3415307
man if any of you faggots are going on on kandinsky i swear to god

>>3415307
nambo leave

ok i've worked it out,

people who don't like abstract art are one or more of these:

[plebs] it's not bad being one of the normal people. some people can't stand music without words in it. that's fine.

[engaged in the politics of sadness] it's okay to be sad, you're not rich, you're not famous and so when you see people buying things that cost a lot of money it hurts you in the soul, so of course you don't like abstract art, it's like dragging your lack of specialness down a chalkboard.


[art stupid] some people just can't understand abstract art. why is blue dissonant with lime green? what doth a circle? it's all too hard, if you put a figure in there then at least there's something concrete to judge.

[art autistic] some people just can't feel abstract art. they may understand the 'theory' but that's just it, they only understand it 'in theory.' they know what the circle doth, but they don't hear the music of the spheres. this tragic individual is the saddest creature to wander the art gallery, lost in emptiness he searches for the diagrammatic and the narrative, something, anything to tell him exactly how he should pretend to feel.

>>3415307
intellectual pursuit to take art beyond the decorative. it’s not for the masses in my opinion, even if many of those artists wanted it to be.

>>3415937
>potential
That’s a pretty arbitrary and subjective concept

>>3416046
he's obsessed, won't ever leave as it seems. waiting for the next "I jerk off to RJ" thread … oh, here it is : >> 3416432

>>3415307
100 times better than this gay shit

>>3416074
so youre saying meaningless shapes with no prowess in the medium of art can be chalked up as something extremely inteligent and thought provoking, on the level of actual great works for which the artists ground through bone to get the skill for? complete, utter interpretive art like this is meaningless, if you want the same effect close your eyes and think, or do anything that is completely random to the point where it requires no thought, where action leads the way and the mind interprets afterwards, what is the point in such work? what do you gain after watching a painting of miscelanious shapes akin to bathroom tiles?

>>3416713
at this point, i'm sure that Nambo is producing nothing but b8.
it's been handed to him in the most simple way and he still doesn't get it. his mind is completely infested with loli porn and RJ fandom. nothing else fits in there.

/thread

>>3416728
ok i just looked up this guy and damn this is sad

remember to sage and hide

>>3416074
>I need to use words to justify why this peice of art has merit

>>3416728
>>3416738
>>3416773
Literally what are you people even talking about who the fuck is nambo?

>>3416713
Not him, but why do you assume that you’d gain something from looking at ANY art in the first place? I have nothing against realism, but there’s already 1000+ years of it in (western) arts. The fact that any sort of abstraction triggers you to this extent is proof of it’s importance.

I'm going to say something really gay right now but hear me out.
People complaining about abstract art not being art and the people who claim that those who don't get it are plebs actually justify the medium as art.

>>3416847
I don’t know about justify, but it definitely validates it.

>>3415495
>Salvador Dali
He's surrealism not abstract you retard.

>>3416713
no i'm saying that if you specifically dislike abstract art it's because you're a pleb, stupid, overcome by your own inequalities and/or lacking in feeling.

now it's hard to diagnose from a single statement but i think you're mainly art-stupid, because:

A. you call shapes meaningless (very stupid) and.
B. you seem to want to judge art on skill alone, which is the 'something concrete' i mentioned in my categories.

>>3415307
shit tier

>>3415361
This is actually correct, and it's funny that abstract artists say the same about other art.

>>3417084

I don't dislike abstract art, I am indifferent to it because it is not aesthetically pleasing. Art should invoke some sort of response but abstract art does nothing for me. The reason for that is because it is inclusive and not at all universal. A good example is a swastika symbol, it means different things to different people throughout time. But a picture of a bunch of people getting butchered by a group of people will be recognizable to everyone at all periods of time

The only meaningful shapes are ones that mimic life and the only shapes in life that have value are ones that say something about us. The more abstract you become the more you lose that value which is heavily grounded in reality.

I judge art based on whether or not I like or its aesthetic appeal which usually tends to have had a high amount of skill involved but they aren't mutually exclusive. There are plenty of skillfully made illustrations that I do not care for.

>>3417163
see it does nothing for you because you can't understand it, because you're art stupid.

you're right in saying that art gets its meaning from life, that's what abstract means, the art language is abstracted from the natural world, to abstract means to take, not to change.

really this is the crux of your stupidity, you can't relate the abstract back to the natural. of course you're indifferent if it's all a big metaphor you can't understand.

>>3415307
Some of it's good, most of it is literal shit on a canvas.

>>3417178
>see it does nothing for you because you can't understand it, because you're art stupid.

I understand it just fine, never said I didn't. Just because you understand something doesn't mean you like it.

>you're right in saying that art gets its meaning from life, that's what abstract means, the art language is abstracted from the natural world, to abstract means to take, not to change

Yes and when you go to the extreme of abstraction you lose all objective connectivity to value derived from the natural world as with my swastika example where its inherent value is purely contextual.

>really this is the crux of your stupidity, you can't relate the abstract back to the natural. of course you're indifferent if it's all a big metaphor you can't understand.

You kind of just repeated your first statement which is understandable as you have really nothing to say but insults

>>3415499
most people (ie, all of /ic/) who complain about abstraction typically aren't concerned in distinguishing its currents

which is lame; y'all go take an art history class for once in your lives and you may just an abstract artist whose work(s) you like

conceptual art and its derivatives are definitely more controversial because they took modernist shitposting seriously

>>3417201
low skill garbage

>>3417207
stay mad

>>3417216
nah, retard

>>3417226
yeah, stay mad

go pick up an art history book or something

Terry Smith is kinda garbage but an okayish starting point

http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=74724611D2F852C4B578DC2FB080F18E

>>3417237
>go pick up an art history book or something
lmfao this dumbass is serious, go pick up some common sense

>>3415307
It's shit. At its height a bunch of autists from a brief period in the 20th century got together and told the world its 2deep4u. A thousand years from now no one will remember it or care, except maybe for some art historians who'll have a hearty chuckle

>>3415517
>the amount of theory/intellect
There's a shitload of that in Communism too, doesn't mean it works

>>3417248
what are you like the nth trad who goes into the baroque section of your city's art museum and gushes about their caravaggio piece for an hour straight at your fellow visitors? representional art largely carried a historical narrative to it that finally got disrupted starting in the 18th century; it's nothing but bougie bullshit and artists at the time had the audacity to react accordingly

>>3416738
there aren't a lot of names on /ic/, but Nambo is really the king of autists in here, way ahead of Illustrat or Chunbun.

>>3417163
>Art should invoke some sort of response but abstract art does nothing for me.
here's the key and you probably don't even realize it. if you'd just stop being such a judgemental, intolerant cunt, you'd realize that people like things for different reasons. you don't react to abstract art in any other way than being indifferent or it's making you REEEEEE on here. other people get something out of Rothko, Pollock, you name it.
so why in the fuck do you believe that YOUR way of reacting is the only valid and truthful way? art reception is emotional, experience-based, individual. according to you, it's none of that but much rather like a math exam where results are not allowed to differ.

>>3417248
>lmfao this dumbass is serious, go pick up some common sense
"i refuse to educate myself, yet i want to judge everything as if i was an expert"

kill
yourself

>>3417384
>>3417385
>i'm a retard: the posts
stay mad dumbass

>>3417388
>can't argue against it
>i'll just reply with "stay mad" and won the argument
so elaborate!
much (You)!

>>3415307
I wish I was synesthetic so I could experience Kandinsky’s art as he did.

>>3417254
>2deep4u
That’s actually the opposite of what they intended. Abstract art is supposed to represent the universal. It’s probably that lack of a moral message that makes people confused.

>>3417201
most people on /ic/ don’t even give a shit about actual art and just want to draw dumb anime shit
I wouldn’t be surprised if half of the shitters in here a weeaboos w/o a clue about art

>>3417573
yep. completely without a clue, no art history base, but somehow they are all entitled to judge everything and dismiss everything that's "2deep". on /ic/, ignorance makes you an expert.

I honestly think that it was something truly revolutionary and interesting back in the day when it was born, it really subverted the expectations about art and carried a strong and innovative message, the problem is that as a revolutionary phenomena it lost its meaning the moment it became the "establishment", the moment it became mundane.

Nowadays modern art feels like a rat race to have the craziest and most unique idea, it's innovation for the sake of innovation, it just feels kitsch to me.

>>3415307
Love it.
Abstract art has played an important part in the visuals of our modern day and it's a totally unique expression of the self; abstract art can be a pleasing and potentially thought provoking medium.

A good artist knows that you don't always need to adhere to rules to create an artwork.

Looks like moma goes retard again in this thread and still samefaging with his nambo nonsense. This is really sad. Seems like he has no life.

>>3417600
Hin Nambo twitter attall139
:)

still jerking off and drawing loli in your basement?
and cursing western superior art while you're crying in your pillow?

>>3417600
friendly reminder who this guy is

>>3417607
What? Seek help.

>>3417611
>who this guy is
and it IS Nambo / attall139, otherwise he wouldn't be autistic enough to constantly report these replies whenever that name comes up. check out his lame twitter. and this guy shits on western art, lmao!

>>3417600
let that be another warning for you, Nambo. you talk shit, you get it back twice as hard. ;)
i'm sure he's in the process of reporting all the posts just now, like he did before (pic related)

>>3417632
>>3417614
>>3417611
>>3417607
>random jap twitter
>let that be another warning for you, Nambo. you talk shit, you get it back twice as hard. ;)
Pure comedy.

>>3417600
it's shit, whoever did that needs more loomis

Abstract art requires no skill. Its only barrier to entry is finding a curator willing to exhibit your work and write the pamphlet explaining why it does indeed qualify as art.

Abstract art is 'things which do not behave like other things'. There are laws of physics common to every object, laws that bind the action of light, laws of perspective derived from that action and various other laws. It is how faithfully these laws are recreated, or how cleverly they are interpreted, that serves as a metric for skilled and unskilled work ( if not good and bad work). But abstract art has no law common to it; no point of reference or limits to adhere to. You are not recreating or interpreting anything, so you cannot do it skillfully or unskillfully. There is no differentiation between abstract works beyond personal preference; every work is equally valid, equally invalid. It's all up to interpretation (and painfully easy to make).

But the real problem lies not in the art itself, but in its interpreters. You need to read the instruction manual to every piece, where someone else tells you what the artist meant to say from a position of assumed authority and officialism - but if you want to overcome how vapid and uninteresting you are (and being vegan doesn't make you unique anymore) you can disagree with the manual; say it makes you feel something different from all the sheeple, and get extra brownie points from the other 'intellectuals'. It's egotistically masturbatory tripe, plastered to the walls of every 'trendy', 'urban' coffee shop and every fancy inner-city apartment. It is art for entry-level nihilists who venerate irreality and pointlessness, and art for the wealthy to whom everything is affordable and nothing is valuable - to whom such art-without-limits is a crystallization of their existence (and a money laundering tool).

Abstract art is the spangled banner of every champagne socialist, and those who desperately wish to inflate their class by imitation.

>>3417580
> you need to know the context to be able to judge art

So you admit that it it unable to stand on its own

>>3417719
>abstract art is a scam. anyone can do it.
then please do it. if you could do it, why don't you? scam the artworld with your "pretentious abstract art", if it's so easy. make some abstract pieces, if it's the easiest thing one can do these days, and send your portfolio to galleries that deal with abstract art.

be sure to show us the results. here is a start:

http://www.lagassegallery.com
http://www.michelkeck.com
http://www.ideelart.com
and if you are really daring:
https://www.saatchiart.com/paintings/abstract

>>3417752
>then please do it. if you could do it, why don't you?

>>3417752
>then please do it. if you could do it, why don't you?
Already. Literally my job. Where is your God now?

this discussion again and again

>abstract art is a scam
everything you hate can be called a scam

>abstract art was an invention by the CIA
hi, tinfoil hats!

>abstract art is stupid and easy, anyone can do it
then do it and get rich, if that's the case. sounds like a goldmine to me! anyone who says "it's easy, there's nothing to it!" ----- do it, make abstract art, upload it, show us how good and innovative you are.

>abstract art has no meaning
except most of the time it is an advancement or derivative thought based on art history and the context of painting about painting.

>give me reasons why abtract art should be any good, but be prepared that i will completely reject every point made!
this thread and all before them.

>>3417713
>There is no differentiation between abstract works beyond personal preference
That's.. the point? Joseph Beuys' notion that "anyone can be an artist" was the worst best thing to happen to global art markets. That's conceptual art's claim to fame: rapid, unterrified decentralization of markets previously reserved for bourgeois curators who're were utterly obsessed with exhibiting nothing but still-lifes and landscape paintings.
>It is art for entry-level nihilists who venerate irreality and pointlessness
you know, there are some art academics who hold the position that everything that came after dada shouldn't be considered their own respective movements, for the very notion that a movement exists implies a level of meaning beyond the meaninglessness of dada. it's that recurring struggle in defining contemporaneity in world art currents that's still ongoing today.
>>3417719
as opposed to what?

you think neet outsider art would somehow be able to stand "on its own" by contrast? no, even that requires proper contextualization from the artist's (twisted) perspective; in fact it would deepen the overall experience.

>>3417765
oh it's you again. so you hate abstract art? looks like you are a Fauve / expressionist nostalgic wannabe to me. what exactly is it that you hate about abstract art specifically?

>>3417768
Your posting style is too obvious. Changing IPs won't help you.

>>3417773
but dada was partly started as a reaction to the cruelties of war and a form of nihilism in itself.

>>3417779
I haven't changed my IP, faggot.

pic related is another thread, one where the OP admitted to shitposting about trad art when drunk.

>>3417781
arts & crafts was partly started as a reaction to the nihilist decadence of neoclassical art and its adherents

it's almost as if the emergence of abstract art has much more historical significance than /ic/ lets on

>>3417786
do you mean Bauhaus?
>it's almost as if the emergence of abstract art has much more historical significance than /ic/ lets on
it's probably because the majority of kids on /ic/ jack off and draw trap and loli porn and are completely ignorant when it comes to art history and putting things in perspective.

>>3417792
>do you mean Bauhaus?
yeah, the modernist transition
>it's probably because the majority of kids on /ic/ jack off and draw trap and loli porn and are completely ignorant when it comes to art history and putting things in perspective.
hear hear

>history

You are part of the joke mindset that you get on /ic/. It's so fucking laughable. If I met any of you guys in real life and we'd be discussing art, I would just burst into laughter. It's like fucking cleaning ladies trying to talk about rocket science. It's just cringeworty and embarrassing.
The contempt you little shitbrains have for modern art mostly comes from your enviousness and lack of skills. You defend your stance of "individual styles are bad", because most of you follow down the path of faceless learning-by-the-book … pirated pdfs of Loomis, Proko and the other faggots you grab from the web. You are creative lemmings, all going down the same fucking road. No wonder you sorry cunts are so envious and malevolent towards contemporary art. It just doesn't mix, concept art illustration shit and fine art, it's like oil on water.

>>3417798
:) he just "used a special site function" once again to get all the replies from this thread deleted. here's the screencap.

the very definition of a cowardly little shitstain.

>>3417805
https://www.4chan.org/rules

>>3417805
>>3417798
>>3417803

oh, wouldn't you know. the loli addict is posting stale copypasta. remember it's not loli if it's "joy of the newborn!"

>>3417818
remember that this >>3415307, >>3417818
is the same guy that wrote pic related.

that cowardly ngmi N-a-m-b-o- right now:
"I've reported everything, again, like here >>3417805 with this >>3417820. Now I just wait!"

>>3417768
>most of the time it is an advancement or derivative thought based on art history
>>3417773
>unable to stand on its own...as opposed to what?
>>3417792
>the majority of kids on /ic/ jack off and draw trap and loli porn and are completely ignorant when it comes to art history and putting things in perspective

Jesus, abstract artists were so butthurt they couldn't make it that they resorted to sour-grapes meta-analysis of art instead of actually getting gud.

You want art history? Here's your fucking art history: big tiddy girls with fat asses, since 28,000 BC. "neet outsider art" is its natural evolution; its refinement and its perfection.
Humans intrinsically recognize the human form. They seek to depict it, whether as accurately as they can, or as beautifully as they can - an inexorably driving, transcendent tradition of mankind. The greatest human cultures even glorify the human form as the image of the gods themselves.
But very recently focus has turned to defilement of the human form. Ugliness for the sake of ugliness, in and outside of art. Ugly artists painting ugly humans, or no humans at all, or shirking reality entirely and babbling at squiggles and bright colours. An infantile rebellion for the sake of rebellion, a veritable temper tantrum against the culture and tradition to which they owe their life.

Your small-time less-than-twenty-eight-thousand-year-old, just-over-one-hundred-year-old meme art style can fuck right off. We are busy drawing cute girls. Always have been.

>>3417864
>loli is same quality as Venus from Willendorf!

you really deserve a cooky, you done so good! good little retard!
it's ok! no really. you've only just confused the enigma of sexual depictions, which has a vast cultural, socio-cultural and artistic history with the short trend of loli and furry porn that is mostly agreed upon by functioning members of society to be cringeworthy, close to underage porn, deviant and psychologically troubling to say the least. but it's really ok! you done good, you almost made a proper point!

by the way, i'm a car mechanic by profession, because i fix hotwheels toys.
i'm also a practicing electrician with years of experience, since i've changed the battery in my remote.
oh and i've recently became a Michelin star tier chef, as i've successfully microwaved thai curry from walmart.

>>3417878
>you really deserve a cooky
>cooky
stopped reading there

>>3417864
>big tiddy girls with fat asses, since 28,000 BC
It's hilarious that even cave men have made better art than these neckbeards. We look at art across cultures and time and instinctively understand it, but they get pissed off when we refuse to appreciate their squiggles and thousand pages of autist theory. Theoreticians get so far up their own asses that they forget their audience consists of humans, with our own natural biases

>>3417864
> Here's your fucking art history: big tiddy girls with fat asses
Congratulations, you just summarized the past two centuries of developments in western art

Van Gogh tried starting a commune in southern france because he thought the weather there was similar to Japan's, reasoning that somehow affected how they rendered figures so flatly

Paul Gauguin spent a couple years up in Brittany because >rural life n shiet, then in Micronesia ogling over prepubescent indigenous women whilst complaining about their lack of "modern" amenities

Pablo Picasso made a career out of selling replications of stolen objects that were brought back from Africa, as a way of returning the arts to a more natural form of beauty

Breaking the chains of western art historical narratives was the whole fucking point of the modernist transition; blurring the line(s) between artistic expression and common utility once again, as a way of exiting the hellish nightmare that is modern society

>>3417897
個人的に誰かに描くのは楽しいんだけど、不特定多数に向けて絵を描くのはあまり楽しくない 顔が見える相手を喜ばす方が好きだ…。

>>3417864
>Ugliness for the sake of ugliness, in and outside of art. Ugly artists painting ugly humans
you mean Ruan Jia?

>>3417878
They have different attributes which means they have different quality what is your point?

>>3417901
>exit hellish nightmare that is modern society
>get eaten alive by bear
deep.

>>3417901
I'm not sure what you point is, but the world isn't going to stop drawing cute girls just because you're sick of it

>>3417864
>>3417910
thinking that the mass flood of worthless, degenerate loli porn has anything to do with the big words you conjure up concerning art history…
my sides have left the orbit

>>3417919
>worthless
that's subjective
>degenerate
that's subjective
>porn
that's subjective
>art
that's subjective

>>3415580
>>3415580
who?

>>3417384
>here's the key and you probably don't even realize it. if you'd just stop being such a judgemental, intolerant cunt, you'd realize that people like things for different reasons.

You mean like what you are doing here?

When have I expressed intolerance for abstract art? I am indifferent to it, which is completely different than intolerance. You seem pretty intolerant of the fact that I don't care for it. That is fine if other people get something out of Rothko or Pollock, but do know that they are a very small minority and a majority of those who do, from what has been expressed in this thread, is for purely superficial and pretentious reasons. I don't doubt there are people who genuinely love abstract art but you and everyone in this thread have done a piss poor job of representing them.

>so why in the fuck do you believe that YOUR way of reacting is the only valid and truthful way? art reception is emotional, experience-based, individual. according to you, it's none of that but much rather like a math exam where results are not allowed to differ.

I don't and I never stated I do. Funny how I just expressed how art is an emotional reception a couple comments ago, yet you are now putting words in my mouth that I claim its "some sort of math exam". Cool, so either you can't read or choose not to and you are just reciting prescripted responses without paying attention to the discussion

>>3417936
>you are just reciting prescripted responses without paying attention to the discussion
yes, he's just throwing out bait
he's a master shitposter don't you know
hiding behind several layers of 5GHz irony
haha you took the bait idiot, he trolled you good

>>3417914
yeah tell that to all the artists acting all dismayed about industrial society; there's this great quote from Gauguin's journal during his stay in Micronesia where he's scrounging for food along the coastline because the local indigenous people wouldn't give him any more of their own it's hilarious
>>3417915
my point is that there were weebs in the 19th and 20th centuries, dontcha know. using willendorf as a justification for drawing cute girls doing cute things, however representational is a fucking stupid, ahistorical opinion; and actually unintentionally lines up with abstract currents in western art, given y'alls incessant need for replicating foreign stylization

>>3417933

so kawai desu! so funny! so true!


>>3416713
>meaningless shapes with no prowess in the medium of art
that's subjective

>>3416713
>painting of miscelanious shapes akin to bathroom tiles
that's subjective

>>3417163
>I am indifferent to it because it is not aesthetically pleasing
that's subjective

>>3417163
>but abstract art does nothing for me
that's subjective

>>3417163
>only meaningful shapes are ones that mimic life
that's subjective

>>3417163
>the only shapes in life that have value are ones that say something about us
that's subjective

>>3417163
>The more abstract you become the more you lose that value
that's subjective

>>3417163
>I judge art based on whether or not I like or its aesthetic appeal
that's subjective

>>3417163
>aesthetic appeal which usually tends to have had a high amount of skill involved but they aren't mutually exclusive.
that's subjective

>>3417163
>There are plenty of skillfully made illustrations that I do not care for.
that's subjective

>>3417713
>Abstract art requires no skill.
that's subjective

>>3417713
>It is how faithfully these laws are recreated, or how cleverly they are interpreted, that serves as a metric for skilled and unskilled work
that's subjective

>>3417713
>But abstract art has no law common to it;
even for a jap living in Australia, that's just being ignorant and stupid on purpose. and also: that's subjective

>>3417713
>You need to read the instruction manual to every piece
maybe you … but not everyone.

>>3417713
>It's egotistically masturbatory tripe
that's subjective

>>3417713
>It is art for entry-level nihilists who venerate irreality and pointlessness
that's subjective

>>3417713
>to whom such art-without-limits is a crystallization of their existence (and a money laundering tool).
that's shortsighted (and bullshit)

>>3417936
>I am indifferent to it, which is completely different than intolerance.
that's subjective

>>3417947
I think I broke it.

>>3417950
yeah you broke your spine years ago as it seems, spineless little loli bigot.

>>3417947
>>3417949
I'd love to continue the discussion if your willing to submit anything of value besides baseless claims

>>3417941
Cool it seems as though the people who argue for abstract art are just trolls, makes sense

>>3417949
>>3417947
>>3417953
>>3417941
>>3417919
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

>>3417961
>baseless claims
every single one of these lines is chosen purposefully, you dick. it's an answer to this pretentious hypocrite >>3417933

>>3417963
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite

>>3417965
but that was my answer to you, you pretentious hypocrite!

>>3417975
>but that was my answer to you, you pretentious hypocrite!
I'd love to continue the discussion if your willing to submit anything of value besides baseless claims

>>3417961
>>3417978
You arguing with guy from picrelated. He's not very sane person according to his behavior
>https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/3271963/#3277354
>spent 3 days to spam vengeance threads in /ic/

>>3417986
… says the anon that spams this board with "look at what Ruan Jia did right now!" and "art was a mistake!" threads every week for almost a year already.

shitting on modern art, while his excuse for drawing degenerate loli porn:
"This little girl represent joy of newborn. It's not artist fault that you can't understand simple meanings even at surface level without
price tag. You're pseud."

https://archived.moe/ic/thread/3239599/#3239667

btw here's another thread by this loli guy. to no surprise, it was a Ruan Jia thread and at the end, he cowardly reported some replies that he couldn't stand reading:

>"i cant announce it but i used a certain site function against you xD"

https://archived.moe/ic/thread/3302877/#3317677

>>3418000
>>3418011
>everyone who makes fun of me is one person
This is not me. You're broken mentally. I'm sorry.

>>3417945
>my point is that there were weebs in the 19th and 20th centuries, dontcha know
Yes but Japonisme coincided with the Meiji era and sought to replicate more Edo era aesthetics. Porcelain girls in kimonos, fancy dressers; It's a tacky orientalism far removed from today's concept of weeabooism, unlike the universal drive to draw cgdct
>a fucking stupid, ahistorical opinion
I am talking about a recurrent idea in the subconscious of mankind. History and culture have either repressed or promoted the idea, overwhelmingly due to economic limiting factors (like the church always being the highest bidder), but it has always been there
>unintentionally lines up with abstract currents in western art
Painting that which does not exist and that which cannot not exist are two entirely different things; abstract art concerns itself with the latter. Women as warped as the willendorf venus don't normally exist, but 'it follows enough laws that it could'. It's that vein of thought that's lead oriental stylization to where it is today, not "boohoo nothing is real lets break all the laws, why use a toilet when you have a canvas". As far as I'm concerned, when jewish modernism destroyed western art, the east picked up the torch. It's about time we took it back.
.

>>3418034
same pattern, same arguments. claims is a different guy.
"oh what a catastrophe! he must be mentally broken!"

>>3418039
This guy gets it

>>3418091
Sorry, but I barely scrolling this shithole. Glad other d/ic/ks just bulling you for being loud idiot. It's okay. 8 months and you still here embarrassing yourself in most retarded way after all. Keep going. Asylum awaits you.

>>3418127
no u

>>3418127
is this your room? >>3418022
sounds like it

>>3418136
at least his room is clean and maintained. but you have gone off the deep end, and have now made this personal which means you actually don't genuinely care about the topic at hand.

>>3418146
>but you have gone off the deep end, and have now made this personal
oh boohoo! where does "personal" start for you, my little snowflake?

>>3418181
I didn't mean you made it personal for me, but you are taking it personal for your self. All this vitriol and condescension over a dead art form shows you have deeper issues

>>3418198
>All this vitriol and condescension over a dead art form shows you have deeper issues
>dead art form
lost count how often traditional painting has been called dead: after photography was invented, after the conceptual art movement, after postmoderism and finally these days, again …. but you're in good company. pretty much on par with flatearthers.

>>3418278
>traditional painting and abstract art are the exact same things

>…. but you're in good company. pretty much on par with flatearthers.

So then what are you doing here?

>>3416595
It's like a book that exclusively picks words for how smoothly they read but are complete nonsense otherwise. Why would you ever want that when you can have a book that reads smoothly and also tells a good story? You can't tell a good story with a book written with nonsense words. Abstract art is in a similar way. It's very limited by being abstract.

>>3418678

>music that is mostly nice and not troubling your precious snowflake mood:
Mozart, Beyonce, Despacito by whatever

>music that is challanging you and taking you somewhere you never been before:
Bartok - König Blaubart, Kate Bush, "They're Coming to Take me Away" by Napoleon XIV

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>concept art and illustration that is actually interesting and thought provoking:
Moebius, Michale Pangrazio, Drew Struzan

>concept art that isn't worth shit
Ruan Jia

>>3415307
i passionately hate kandinsky and his paintings. but the more i look at this, the more i realize it reminds me of migrane attacks, like the ones that Hildegard von Bingen had. she got famous for having "visions of mother mary" and she tried to draw some of these visions, that ended up looking like strange color orbs. scientists are arguing that she had heavy migrane attacks that lead to impaired vision and halucinations (orbs, holes in your vision, "splinters" etc). pic related is such a drawing.
someone mentioned or i've read somewhere that kandinsky also had problems with his vision. that is at least one interesting aspect in this "ice breaker" art that is completely boring to look at in this day and age.

I like abstract, though it's not as good as representative art it's a valuable subset of art (variety is fun). But if you can't appreciate abstract art you have some form of autism or terminal stubbornness or something, since an abstract artwork is just a pure object, like the objects that representative art is representing. You can appreciate a cool ferrari or a mountain range but you can't appreciate some other object not trying to imitate something, just because there are other flat painted surfaces that try to imitate other objects?

Ivan seal is probably not fully abstract though, this is clearly a fucked up flower vase.

Also, abstract art is not a movement and it's not modern art. Abstract art is all art that's not representative, like islamic art or possibly even all architecture.

>>3419146
Moebius is far from abstract art. careful, if you keep moving the goal posts you might end up making a case for Ruan Jia

>>3416074
This post is too intelligent for /ic/. what are you even doing here?

>>3419973
It does have a nice texture, I'll give it that. But representative art plays with textures and the abstract as parts to form a cohesive idea. You have given me an even more appreciation for representative art, thanks!

>>3419982
all representative art is abstracted as well

but i'm just saying that calling something shit just because it doesn't look like something else makes no sense, since we obviously like those things that are being imitated in the first place without them having to be imitated

no need to "one-up me" by trying to turn the tables in favor of representative art, I like that more than abstract as well but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate the alternative

>>3419990
I think I expressed as much when I said abstract has a nice texture. I agree with you that it goes no deeper than being aesthetically pleasing just like a mountain or a Lamborghini.

I think we can agree on the value of abstract art, I am just saying the same thing as you are but with a bad connotation maybe?

I don't mean to one-up you but point out that what you have put the value/level of abstract art too, are mere playthings and tools to the representative artist. If you take offense to that, it just shows how you really feel about abstract art, as that fact doesn't make me think of it as lesser. Like all things, it has its place and of course, it isn't shit.

>>3420002
>If you take offense to that, it just shows how you really feel about abstract art, as that fact doesn't make me think of it as lesser.
nah you just came across to me as "heh concession accepted scrub", you know, even if you didn't intend to

I don't think abstract is only "aesthetically pleasing" like that's one thing. It's a bit like music, music is generally abstract, but the sound patterns become associated with different kinds of moods and sensations. but like you say it's a tool to the representative artist, or rather abstraction/representation are both tools to the artist

>>3420019
Sure but music isn't so abstract, at least for what is considered some of the best music. Mozart or Michael Jackson still follow the rules of music theory. Abstract art doesn't follow its counterpart rules of the fundamentals. Music has a high range just like the visual arts and abstract art would probably fall more into something like white noise with random samples.

i think the problem with you guys is that you approach these pieces as you approach other more realistic art.

try instead appreciating the forms and colors as themselves and in relation to each other rather than looking for a meaning

>>3420039
>Abstract art doesn't follow its counterpart rules of the fundamentals.
It doesn't? No composition, color, brushwork, etc? Obviously you can ignore anatomy and perspective if you're not drawing bodies and space. And how is music not abstract? What is it representing? Remember, evoking is not representing. Abstract can evoke, but it by definition doesn't represent.

>>3420048
That is why I don't think your analogy is very good or at least doesn't help your case. Representative art and well-made music have more in common than abstract art as they are both defined in some way as mastery of their rules. Sure abstract art can be described as having excellent brushwork, I can also strum a guitar as good as slash, doesn't mean I can make brilliant music without being able to piece my strums/brush strokes to something that would be aesthetically pleasing to the audience.

>>3419978
i'm saying RJ is a hack

>>3419973
great piece. the bottom looks like it's a vase and to it's a flower bouquet gone wild. sauce?

>>3420238
Ivan Seal lol, like I said in the post

he did the album arts for the caretakers albums, they're very fitting since that music is about loss and damage of memory

When I first started learning how to draw I absolutely despised it. But then there was a point where I got it.

When you're sitting there drawing these complex and technically impressive works of art, there comes a point where you just want to draw some bullshit abstract shit. I mean it never happened to me, but I'd get bored of grinding and think, damn it would be relaxing to splatter some paint on a canvas with some interesting colors.

It's basically cultural marxism attacking art. Anything more abstract than impressionism is dog shit

Anything more abstract than impressionism is dog shit
don't cut yourself on that edge, reactionary cunt.

>>3420496
awesome!

>>3417046
Did you not look up the second artist? You're making yourself out to be the retard here

>>3420044
oh yeah? what's next art boi, fapping to tiles?

>>3420526
>trying is too hard, i'll just do fingerpainting random shit

you summed abstract art to a T

ITT: Stop liking what I don't like.

Kys retards.

Some people like abstract art and rich dudes like to pay millions for it.

Some people prefer abstract art to waifu shit, concept art.

Literally autism.

>>3415307

>>3423484
it's always like that really.
i mean, these hentai kids don't have to start appreciating abstract art or anything. simply understand and respect that people are able to find something in it, same as they seem to enjoy fapping to furry and loli shit.
not gonna happen on /ic/. everyone seems to switch their brains off, when they go on here.

>>3415445
So you like it... because you like gay things you stupid gayman

>>3415499
Duchamp's "Fountain" is from the Dada Movement which was a direct response to the establishment that led to World War I. Some say the Dadaists were an anti-art establishment group who wanted to changed the dialogue of art from physical craft to one of intellectual interpretation.

However, Conceptual Art did take many if not all, ideas from the Dadaists. But the premise of Concept Art was to see how far a "concept" can $ell. To traditionalists this may seem unfair and a cop out.

>>3423484
Rich dudes are buying a name because it's a status symbol.

>>3415307
crabstract art?