/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3414739
>implying i would need this

>>3414744
um, you do need this
don't even pretend to be retarded, it reflects poorly on you

>>3414739
>Mindlessly grinding

>>3414745
>um, you do need this
for what? it's easier to learn anatomy and construct the figure. Scribbeling a bunch of poorly drawn figures will help you not a little bit

>>3414748
How did you learn anatomy?

>>3414761
Looking at the muslces naming them and attach them with perspective made easy on boxes

>>3414748
The purpose of gestures is as a quick boost to confidence. It makes you draw faster and cleaner, and helps with posing.

>>3414956
>The purpose of gestures is

There is no purpose. If at anytime you need to lay in a rough gesture sketch you would be doing it before any drawing anyway.

>>3414961
I'll let you figure this out for yourself. If you were to look at a person posing, and quickly rough out their pose in the same manner as you'd rough out your own pieces, what do you think you could gain from it?

>>3414963
lost time and a temporary high thinking you landed a good exaggeration when in reality an hour from then you'll see that you were wrong and proceed to trash your page of gestures as you work on your actual work, repeating the process every dary.

>>3414965
Gestures are an exercise, anon. It's not meant to look pretty, you should definitely trash them immediately after.

>>3414966

I want them to look pretty, fuck yooOOou.

>>3414965
Post your work.

>>3414970
gesture battle me instead? It's like every time I offer this you guys pussy out.

So what actually is the point in doing gesture drawings then?

>>3414973
>>3414956 and every other post after it.
>>3414971
Not him, but that seems like a huge waste of time.

Any suggestions for how to do gestures on a tablet?

>>3414973
Read >>3414956 and every other post after it.

>>3414971
Not him, but that seems like a huge waste of time.

>>3414974
It's not! Come on my youtube channel needs new videos.

>>3414971
>gesture battle
He does not believe in the heart of the anatomy :^)

>>3414971
OP already posted his gestures

>>3414973
To learn to capture... wait for it.... gesture. You can be 100% anatomicaly correct in a pose but it will probably look stiff if you don’t understand gesture.

>>3414981
>>3414979
you guys are so boring

>>3414748
How is this not anatomy + construction?

>>3414965
High-quality projection. That only happens because you're bad at gestures, so practice more of them.

>>3415015
Wanna battle? No? Thought so, keyboard warrior.

>>3415023
Telling you to do gestures is giving advice, it's not a challenge. There's no such thing as a gesture battle, that sounds boring for everyone involved.

>>3415027

Afraid to get proven wrong live on national interweb? I've bodied plenty of pretend tough guys like you in the past. If you're up to it I'll be gladly to start the hangout.

>>3414765
>Muscles naming
Kys

>>3415036
Okey bring it on.
I battle you

yet another example that no one on ic knows what theyre talking about lol

>>3415042
>deltoid

>>3415043
sure but let me just finish my daily drawing for the day I'll be done in 40 mins I think

>>3414748
>>3414956
>>3414961
>>3414963
>>3414966
>>3414965
>>3414973

As far as I know gesture drawing is for getting the flow for things right? To make dynamic poses, to not make stiff drawings. Pic related.

So why do you even compare a studying muscles with gesture drawing, they are for different things. Gesture is definetly usefull.

>>3415076
Gesture IS USEFUL if and IF you study structure and mechanics before it. Otherwise you'll be an autist noodling in something you have no clue and getting everything wrong, making the gesture completely useless to you.

>>3415079
>study structure and mechanics
please post examples

>gesture is recommended and practiced by every single fucking artist out there
>except for fucking /ic/ and it's hordes of /beg/ weebs and STEM dropouts overthinking everything
pfahahaha nobody will ever take this shithole seriously

>>3415079
Yeah, pretty much dude. Both are important.

>>3415050
>>3415043
you pussies had better not back out

>>3415092
B R I N G I T O N

>>3415023
Sure, what's the time limit and how do we fairly decide the batch of references?

>>3415080
Stuff like twisting the body in degrees and bending, running, walking at natural speed, etc. If you dont know how to properly draw those motions structurally than all hope is lost if you attempt to do a gesture.

Everybody calm down! No rules, just tools.

R-right guys?

>>3415099
1 min each, senshistock

Now it sounds like I'm backing out, I'm not, but I have to run an errand. Be right back I promise.

>>3415103
That has to do with software and art supples, it has no bearing on the topic at hand.
Technique and practice methods are important

I never understood gesture either. I always thought it was some artsy fartsy bs. The essence/flow/energy of a pose sounds like some hippie crap to me.

I knew I was serious about improving though, so I gave everything a shot despite how much I didn't like it upon first glance.

I went to a 3 hour life drawing session that were only 2-5 minute poses and spent those 3 hours making crappy gestures. I hated every second of it. I couldn't stand making terrible drawings, and I was making them at breakneck speeds.

It's important to note that I was studying anatomy at this point too. What gesture does is internalize the anatomy and proportions past an intellectual understanding into an intuitive understanding. When you're confronted with the human figure, there are a bunch of observational problems to solve. You have 2-5 minutes to make marks that best represent the figure. Find and lay down the landmarks, the perspective, the muscle rhythms. When you do this over and over again, your drawings will improve simply because you automate a lot of those processes and you can dedicate your brain power to other areas (whatever you need to improve on, or challenges you).

I go to life drawing every week now for the 2-5 minute gestures. If it's not for you then it's not for you, but I urge you skeptical anons to at least give it an honest shot before dispensing with it.

I guess it doesn't really matter to me since this place is kind of a shithole and I never post. But after coming here so regularly, this place became a little sentimental to me. So I hope all you crabs make it.

people who don't see how gestures are important lie on the far left of the dk spectrum

>>3415104
Are you back yet, I'm getting genuinely sleepy here it's like 3AM

>>3415121
I appreciate you anon <3

>>3415121
Bill Perkins on the NMA begginers course gives a way more “scientific” and useful definition of gesture and how it mostly a tool to interpret form than all the usual shit about “flow”, “feeling” and other romantic definitions

>>3415156
Ok if you're not back in 15 minutes, Im gonna sleep, barely can open my eyes

>>3415198
no I'm waiting in wal-mart you might as well just sleep cause you'll need it

>>3415166
Damn, I can only find his color stuff on CGP

>>3415166
>flow is just a romantic term

Oh boy

>>3415166
ellaborate

>>3415294
I would need to upload the video. He gives examples of how a circle doesn’t have any gesture. A box does have some components of gesture if at least two faces are shown. Then he curves a side of the box and that’s where gesture appears. Something about how form moves through space

>>3415079
0% of any artists that has ever lived mastered perspective before starting gesture drawing

>>3415304
No you have to be a pro at drawing boxes in 3D before you even think about buying a pencil!

>>3415304

You mean you don't have to lubricate your nipples before inserting the stylus between the teeth? No artist in the entire flat plane told me this!

>>3414748

You do that, but that doesn't mean gesture doesn't help.

Generally you do the gesture and then you construct on top of it. Constructing without gesture is usually stiff and sometimes poorly placed. A decent knowledge of gesture just means you set a good lay-in, it doesn't need to be 'I want to draw a perfect figure in 2 minutes'.

Don't fall for the standard /ic/ stupidity of "it's useless don't bother" vs "do 8 hours of gestures a day every day and attain enlightenment", they're both retarded, do some quick gestures, improve on the good ones with construction and proper anatomy. /ic/ has a disgusting lack of nuance and always seems to aim for stupid extremes.

>>3415043
>>3415050
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>>3415095
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAwWPadFsOA

>>3415432
starting a hangout in 5 mins if anyone wants to join me gesturing and battling or just for the gestures

I'm having fun with it.

>>3415308
kek

>>3414739
>gesture- drawing
is this even worth studying as a beginner?

>>3414739
What are some good books about gesture?

>>3416056
You don't need books. There is the internet anon. Stop the procrastination and start drawing.
Also post your work here.
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

>>3415079
Obviously you should know structure beforehand, but most artists combine gesture and structure. Not sure why idiots like you always start by making a stupid claim like "gesture is useless" and then when they are being called out for their stupidity, they retract it to something like "If you just started out drawing for the first time ever in your life, then gesture is useless!"

It's fucking asinine to always assume that every discussion about art should focus only on the most inexperienced beginners like yourself. Gesture is a very important tool for intermediate artists to make their figures more expressive, dynamic and less stiff.

>>3416060
Ok! Thanks for not being mean, anon.

>>3416094
you wanna go nigga? lets go?

>>3416100
I wasn't mean i just said that you don't need a book for gesture. You need to feel it. No book can teach you that.

>>3416107
He literally said "Thanks for NOT being mean" you mongoloid.

>>3416123
It could be sarcastic you fuck

>>3416107
>>3416123
>>3416126
I wasn't being mean or sarcastic. D:
I really am glad anon wasn't a meanie.

>>3416056
Mattesi's Force: Drawing Human Anatomy
Drawn to Life 1 & 2
Tulp schoolism course.

I would just like to say that human beings are not like the Spock dude from Star Trek and still feel things like emotions so while we use logic as our main tool it is ok sometimes to simply tap into our primitive thinking and just feel our way through a drawing. Drawing is an art form, an expression of oneself. It should not always be treated as a procedural mechanical process. The beauty of art is that unlike a surgeon your mistakes could create a better result and also it is fair game to romanticize art as again it’s all about expression. So please take the surgical knife away from the paper every now and then and just draw.

>>3416153
>So please take the surgical knife away from the paper every now and then and just draw

The problem is that "feel the pose" in an abstract concept.

Yes, it's ok to just draw and have fun, but knowledge helps you understand what that "feel" could mean for you, and how you can translate it to a drawing.

>>3416007
this is The thing to study as a beginner, otherwise all your poses would have to be copied or still mannequins.

>>3414739
So I tried a few things I've been recommended today like exaggerating the pose, adding arms (the neck too) and drawing over the model to see if I got the things right.

The torsos with 1 above them are the one where I tried to copy the model and the one with 2 are a bit more exaggerated/stylised. So once again, if I did some mistake, please tell me what's wrong.

>>3414739
WHAT The hell? Who would even buy this?!!

>>3416660
learn some perspective will yuh

>>3415042
sternocleidomastoideus

I never want to post in these threads because it is just crabs purity spiraling on what a gesture is supposed to be and almost nobody posting figures.

>>3416660

I've literally drawn that model at the bottom live, proko uses him i noticed, he models down in southern california.