/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3410368
nice. epic. i like it!

>>3410368
Make a whole style out of this, it's charming.

>>3410368
Squish it a bit, and add 3 cups uguu~

>>3410368
I love everything about this picture.

if you actually fell for the loomis meme your ngmi

so, this is the power of loomis huh... not bad

i really like this for some reason

>>3410368
top kek
saved

>>3410368
i dont draw anime often but im pretty sure its something like this

>>3410368
i dont draw anime often but im pretty sure its something like this here image

>>3410368
your gonna make it

>>3410445
thank you so much!

>>3410459
thanks friend! why dont you contribute and give your attempt also? lets all take part and make this thread better

>>3410466
but im OP

>>3410368
>He fell for the loomis meme

>>3410368
I found it easier to just draw a cross, then the eyes and the contour of the face. The ball confuses the hell out of me when it comes to 'anime'. Although, It's hard to measure the size of the head like this.

>>3410633
Every time I try that my anime dorito face comes out retarded. It's at least somewhat okay with the ball first.

>>3410368
So this is the power of the Western anime artist

>>3410407
>>3410400
>>3410585
Indeed, this stupid western meme of drawing a sphere and 2 center lines needs to end.

>>3410633
This is how I see a lot of jap artists do it.

>>3410788
N-no way! It's supposed to be a meme.

>>3410789
>>3410633
Maybe if you draw a portrait, but for what possible reason would you start with the cross instead of representing the major mass of the head when drawing a full figure? That's like starting the torso by drawing the nipples.

>>3410368
the sphere is used as an oversimplification of construction thinking. you're not actually supposed to draw the fucking sphere. a head is made of head shapes, like the nose and mouth are shaped like themselves.

>>3410793
>you're not actually supposed to draw the fucking sphere

What the fuck

>>3410788
DELETE THIS

i've always started with the sphere and it works for me desu
>>3410788
wtf i love this style so much
do you have a source on this?

i know this is a joke but just in case some anon who doesn't know sees this, loomis has an entire book about cartooning and wouldn't recommend you attempt to shove that head into stylized work.

>>3410788
What book is this from?

>>3410828
Which book is that? Creative Illustration?

>>3411026
Are there more breakdowns of Super Mario RPG characters? I love how those character models consisted of a bunch of meshes intersecting with each other.

>>3410905
According to my investigations after having scraped the contents of one pinterest clusterfuckfest and searched with google images, it should be this:
デジタルツールで描く! 感情があふれ出るキャラの表情の描き方

>>3410368
I want to make loomis chan my wife!!!

Is loomis really just a meme or a good method to learn anatomy and drawing?

>>3411151
its a forced meme

>>3411151
Try it out, maybe his teaching methods click with you, maybe they won't. The fact is that you can find plenty of good or even great artists who recommend Loomis. You will however not find a single good artist who says stuff like "Loomis is a meme".

>>3410445
>i dont draw anime often
It looks like you don't draw anything often.

>>3410368
just take off the mask

>>3411370
top kek well done

>>3411370
LOOMIS CHAN
ASHITERU YO!!!!

>>3411370
oh my

this is a good thread

>>3411370
im cumming rn gr8 post

>>3411370
lol

>>3411370
How do I draw anime.

>>3411370
Nice.

>>3411370
a big kek for you my friend

>>3410368
kys faggot

>>3411370
you win

>>3411819

>>3410788
What's wrong with that method of drawing the head?

>>3411370
My fucking sides

>>3410368
>applying outdated meme method in anime
...

>>3411370
you made my day

>>3410368
Your first mistake was wanting to draw anime.

>>3411370
fucking KEK

>>3411370
Why is everyone replying to this shit drawing

>>3412545
because it's funny

>>3412545
Because everyone fell for the Loomis meme and wishes they could draw anime at even a moderate quality like this.

>>3410368
this is probably an improvement to everything op was drawing up until he applied loomis head construction honestly.I'd bet on it in fact, care to prove otherwise op? at least this looks like a 3 dimensional object.

>>3412545
>that one crab

>>3410368
This is great

>>3412545
I don't get it either. It's not funny. There is no punchline. People saying "my sides" must be high. I guess I could see someone smiling or giving a "hehe" in response to the drawing, but "ROFLMAO HAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY FUCK MY SIDES" is just an absurd reaction.

>>3412545
Once a post gets 3 replies, people are more likely to reply to it. Kind of like what's happening to your post, even though you're being a faggot. Has nothing to do with the post being funny because it isn't.

>>3412545
Because I saw other replies and I didn't want to be left out

>>3412614
it is funny

>>3412545
>>3412614
Literal non-humans.

>>3410368
Go to the section where he explains drawing babies. I think those are the proportions you are looking for.

>>3412614
literal autism

>be terrible at drawing
>try one lesson
>produce terrible drawing
it da lethons fault

>>3410788
>Super secret nip book with the secret knowledge to draw anime
>It's actually loomis
Lmao stupid weebs BTFO'd.

>>3412545
why is everyone replying to this shit comment?

Low IQ - the thread

>>3412651
wtf
Loomis is shit

>>3410368
KAWAII DESU!!!!!!

are people being stupid on purpose?

>>3413001
>people being stupid on purpose?
/ic/ in a nutshell

>>3413001
wait..are you being stupid on purpose, if so, that's good meta, tasty

>>3412515
So how are the cool and up to date kids like you drawing heads these days without using an outdated circle or egg shape?

i want to nut

>>3410368
Haven't laughed this hard in a while. Thanks.

>>3412678
lmfao

>>3412545
el cangrejo

>>3410905
https://exhentai.org/g/949641/caef6d2556/
here´s a link, i found it in sadpanda

>>3410905
https://exhentai.org/g/949641/caef6d2556/
here's a link from sadpanda

>>3411370
>MASK ON
>FUCK IT, MASK OFF

>>3410788
>noses
wtf is this the 70s or something?

>>3410788
It kinda does, the simplified Reilly method Disney was using on their early movies actually solves the stupid problem of not being able to place features in 3d.

>>3411151
Loomis was so good his books didn't get picked by any editorial when he died.
A true master and godlike educator.

All shit aside, Loomis is popular because his shit's free. It's not bad, but it's not for everyone and /ic/s religious devotion for him is ridiculous.

>>3410368
SAVED

>>3415898
sounds like someone is jealous. if you cannot draw as well as this you dont really have a voice, ill just assume you are repeating memes made specifically by people who didn't give loomis the respect he deserved

>>3415921
I can't draw as well as Loomis because I have been drawing for less than a year. But I aspire to be better than Loomis, that's why I learn from people who were better than him.

>>3415926
As far as the individual skill of a teacher goes, Loomis is actually easily one of the best. Who exactly are you learning from who was a better artist than Loomis? The only well known teacher I can think of who might fit that would be Steve Huston. Hampton, Vilppu, Hogarth, Bammes, Bridgman etc were/are all worse artists than Loomis.

>>3415926
>>3415967

Of the Art Students League of New York teachers that are constantly namedropped here: Bridgeman, Loomis, and Reilly, Loomis had the most successful commercial art career. Reilly, according to his own students, admitted he couldn't hack it as a commercial painter, so he decided to focus on instruction.

>>3416008
>"Reilly, according to his own students, admitted he couldn't hack it as a commercial painter, so he decided to focus on instruction."

LOL Anti-Loomis fags BTFO

>>3412993
Holy shit learn the fundies you faggot

>>3412545
>Snibbedy

>>3415921
>if you cannot draw as well as this
>posts painting

>>3416085
drawing is part of painting
for example someone might say in a crit 'the painting is great but the drawing needs some work' by which they mean the shapes,volumes etc. are kinda fucked up but the lighting, colors, marks and such are good

>>3416087
>drawing is part of painting
The violin is part of an orchestra, but posting a full orchestra recording and saying "if you cannot play the violin as well as this" is silly

>>3416096
Not him, but what exactly are you arguing about? The point that guy was trying to make is that Loomis is a better artist than the idiot in question. That naturally includes drawing.

>>3416085
what is the fundamental difference between painting and drawing?

>>3416096
Drawing is more akin to the conductor of the orchestra. It gives direction to any painting or drawing etc.

>>3410792
>That's like starting the torso by drawing the nipples.
Good tip anon!

Thanks OP. you killed me.

love your girl op

>>3412939
fuck this made me laugh so hard

>>3410368

>>3411370
Blog?

>>3416621
eat your vegetables, loomis-chan

>>3416621
Blog?

>>3415866
Lmao this

>>3416621
im in love

>>3411512
the key is in undrstanding 3d forms
>>3410368
>>3416834
i'll make a blog eventually for all my animu shit

this thread is epic, EPIC FTW!

>>3417381
What's that sudden change in dy/dx on that part of the face?

>>3416096
>posting a full orchestra recording and saying "if you cannot play the violin as well as this" is silly
Um, no it's not, it would actully make sense.

>>3413008
By using the head shape.

>>3417405
Not him but you mean the cheek? Human face is not flat, the cheek do come out

>>3417445
and the head/cranium shape is most accurately simplified by the sphere or the egg shape. I mean, you have to start with something, why are you so against starting the most logical 3 dimensional representation? Are you saying you should start by drawing the outline of the head instead of working with structure? Because that is literally what every good draftsman and teacher advises against. It makes your heads end up flat and out of perspective. Especially when you have to draw a head from a difficult angle.

>>3417474
No, I start with a box in which I place a simplified head shape. It's not a sphere or an egg, it's shaped like itself. You just learn this shape and draw it. In standard views, like in profile, you don't need the box. I tried learning the Loomis method, but it doesn't make it easier or better for me. In the end, you will still need to learn the shape of the head, especially if you want to make different heads with varying shapes. I like the Vilppu method, but, again, you need to learn the shape of the cranium. So, I just learnt to do this and that's it. Of course, I'm still a beginner, but I'm pretty sure that with experience I'll just get better at using this instead of adopting another method.

>>3417508
So let me get this straight. You are a beginner and you have visible proof that you suck at drawing heads. Yet you believe that this method of yours is still somehow superior to that of extremely accomplished master draftsmen and anatomy teachers with decades of experience, like Loomis, Watts, Vilppu, Hampton, Bridgman, Steven Huston etc?

And yes, of course in the end you will still need to learn the proper shape of the head. But clearly you haven't done that. Those "meme" Loomis heads are structurally and proportionally way more accurate and sound in their simplistic geometric abstraction than your "proper head shape" drawings are.

>>3417534
>So let me get this straight. You are a beginner and you have visible proof that you suck at drawing heads. Yet you believe that this method of yours is still somehow superior to that of extremely accomplished master draftsmen and anatomy teachers with decades of experience, like Loomis, Watts, Vilppu, Hampton, Bridgman, Steven Huston etc?
Funny how you mention Bridgman when he doesn't use this method. Bridgman actually starts with a box and a simplified head shape, although made up of planes. But yeah, at least for me I think my method is better than Loomis.

>And yes, of course in the end you will still need to learn the proper shape of the head.
Exactly. So what's the point in learning Loomis when you can start with learning the head shape?

>But clearly you haven't done that.
That doesn't mean the method is bad, if I draw a head with the Loomis method it won't look better, but I will spend more time on it, and more time on learning. Post your drawing by the Loomis method and how long did it take you to learn it.

>>3417381
thanks for the blueline

>>3417588
>Exactly. So what's the point in learning Loomis when you can start with learning the head shape?

Because what your drawings are proving is that you do not understand the shape of the head at all. Your heads are out of perspective and not proportional to a normal human head. If you start with a sphere and you divide it the way Loomis teaches, at the very least you won't end up with an enormous cranium and misaligned and disproportionally small facial features.

>>3417508
AYY LMAO

>>3417508
thats one megaman ass nigga

>>3417821
i mean megamind fuck

>>3417508
>the absolute state of loomis deniers

>>3417655
>Because what your drawings are proving is that you do not understand the shape of the head at all.
At least I'm learning instead of copying a method that doesn't make drawing easier and will still require me to learn the same stuff eventually.

>Your heads are out of perspective
No they are not. I tried to draw it in foreshortened perspective (something that's really hard to do with Loomis method by the way), though the proportions are off, I admit, and the cranium is too big, but I'm learning from my mistakes. If I drew a shorter box and a more correct shape inside it, I would have got a correct head.

>>3417988
> If I drew a shorter box and a more correct shape inside it, I would have got a correct head

This is a common mistake that will render any method of drawing the head ineffective. If you don’t take the time to make sure your initial guidelines are correct it’s going to mess up your end product, no matter which method you’re using. The loomis method has more steps and more opportunities to mess up than the method you use, but if you take your time and do it properly it will give you more guidance and a better end result than a box will.

>>3410793
>a head is made of head shapes, like the nose and mouth are shaped like themselves

>>3411370
>Looks at shirt

That's clearly a different girl, Anon. Stop trying to fool us.

>>3411370
Did you take a pill in Ibiza? Avicii is dead.

>>3417381
>taking "blog?" seriously

>>3418440
I was serious. I wanted to see what his usual stuff is like.

>>3412993
wow you're bad

>>3417402
there's always that one retard that gets mad when he sees other people having fun

>>3417508

If you're going to draw boxes, at least understand why you draw a box to begin with. The top of the box should be the hairline and the bottom should be the nose. You extend it further downwards by a distance of 1/2 the total height of the box.

It's essentially a simplified Loomis method without the sphere.

>>3410368

>>3417588
this crab knows good english

>>3417405
put your hands on your cheeks and do this
:D
the bigger the smile, the more cheeks are gonna puff out

>>3419284
This ain't anime.

>>3419495
then what is it

>>3417405
she has cavities

>>3419501
Some wanna be anime twitter tumblr cross breed.

>>3419575
it's from a japanese twitter you mongoloid

>>3419601

but its not anime

anime has a certain je ne sais quoi

pic related is another example

>>3419602
then call it eastern style then

>>3416055
>>3418576
S-shut up
It's loomis fault

>>3419495
Are you retarded? You do realize that there is not one "anime style", right? Panty & Stocking is anime, so is Berserk, so is K-On. All completely different styles.

>>3419284
Where’d you find this?

>>3420515
Sure. But anons pic is still not anime.

>>3420592
Yes it is, its an anime style draw by a Japanese person

>>3420621
Nah man. At least show me this "Japanese person", reverse image search gives me nothing.

>>3420648
>only japanase people can make anime
ngmi

>>3420648
op of the pic here
Go to twitter: dreamfactory00. It's actually a korean account not japanese (my bad) but it's still anime style, stop being retarded

>>3419284

>>3420671
>>3420665

>>3420665
>>3420671
>>3420674
>>3419284
>>3410788
Kek, the "loomis is a meme" weebs will never recover from this thread. Any time they post their dumb shit now, someone just needs to post any of these images to shut them up.

>>3420507
lol

Loomis is a meme, you can get the same information from anybody else and it'd be clearer and more concise.

>>3420856
I dunno, Loomis seems pretty clear to me with his information and gets it across within the first 2 or so pages of example drawings. At least on constructing the head, which is the topic of this thread. You might just be an idiot.

>>3420918
post Loomis studies.

I don't think people get the issue with this: >>3420815

Loomis method of construction isn't a meme. Learning it from Loomis himself instead of everyone else like >>3420856
implied is the meme. There's no reason why anyone who wants to draw anime heads should be looking into Loomis books if they can get the exact experience they want out of the manga learning books.

It's the same as telling someone to read Copernicus if they want to understand our galaxy, when we have much easier and accurate accessible explanations of heliocentric shit in every astronomy book or internet page. Replying to everything with Loomis and meaning it is gatekeeping.

>>3420958
You're wrong though. The anti Loomis people usually reject the method itself and their claim so far has been that anime artists don't use that kind of construction at all, which has been officially disproven now.

>>3420815
>>3421083
It is not the weebs that screech about Loomis, but the bargue people

>>3410368
Uguu~

>>3421122
that's a very lewd loomis-chan

>>3421122
Teach meeeeeee

>>3421122
better than the blueline at least

>>3420918
Vilppu teaches this in a minute and actually gets you through it.

>>3421122
Her eyes aren't looking the right direction.

>>3421122

>>3421497
aaaand threads gonna explode

>>3421497
Keep going

>>3421497
>that beautiful hair

>>3421497
>Long after his death, Loomis' realistic style has continued to influence popular artists.

>>3421497
thanks loomis

>>3421497
underside of the jaw should have gotten smaller or dissapeared but not bad senpai

>>3421378
So your big complaint about what makes Loomis a meme is that what takes him 5 minutes to explain takes your favorite teacher 1 minute to explain (despite the fact that you clearly still can't do it)

Got it.

>>3420674
this is actually great, source? This is kind of the style I'm shooting for in my strictly-for-fun manga project (pls no bully)

>>3421497
almost as lewd as his own mannequins
>l-loomis-kun........

>>3422162
Yes, Loomist is a waste of time and an excuse to not improve.

>>3417474
Shit, this is good.

>>3420918
Post your loomis studies or you're 100% bullshitting.

>>3421139
Read the sticky.

>>3422363
>Read the sticky
>Loomis

Back to square one I guess.

Impressive head method but what the fuck was he thinking with those

>>3421122
>>3421497
Beautiful.

>>3422358
I never did any Loomis studies. Not sure what you mean by that. Copying his drawings?

>>3415921
>if you cannot draw as well as this you dont really have a voice.
So literally no one on /ic/, including yourself.
Post your work if your dumb enough to believe this.

Only anti western atheist communists hate Loomis. Don't forget to renew your blacked.com subscription faggot cucks

>>3422408
Nobody gives a shit about those paintings of 3d people. I want cute 2d girls.

>>3422408
this

>>3421122
>>3421497
Are you that guy who make Franxx yuri comics? You really should make a blog man

>>3422408
this is confusing because it's been proven only right wing people like to imagine black people fucking their wives.

>>3422418
>Franxx yuri comics?
Gonna need a source on that.

>>3422424
Check the /alt/ thread

>>3422425
Oh my

>>3415898
Do people realize when we say Loomis, we don't mean literally only books by Loomis?

>>3422418
>Are you that guy who make Franxx yuri comics?
Yes, but it's more yuri-bait than yuri.

>>3422436
>when we say loomis, we don't mean loomis
woah...

>>3422436
>>3422492
When we say loomis, It usually means general western approaching framework to drawing. Why are there so many people who don't understand this?

>>3422502
>>when we say loomis, we don't mean loomis
woah.......................

>>3422502
Might have to do with the fact you're saying "loomis" instead of "general western approaching framework to drawing" or "construction" to absolute newbies, you ignorant motherfucker.

>>3422502
>It usually means general western approaching framework to drawing
While you're not wrong, there's a certain irony that Asian countries seem to have adopted the traditional western approach to drawing to a much greater extent than the west. The west has been moving away from traditional technique in art colleges since the 60s, and tend to teach a lot of useless, esoteric bullshit not related to art as a craft.

>>3422492
> purposely skipping the word "literal"

>>3422511
Which is why the best artists in the world right now are all asian

How are you supposed to determine where and how big the side plane ellipse you put should be?
If I want to draw the head at a certain angle and have to think about how that would look anyways, how would Loomis help me out there

>>3422527
Study the skull, the side plane ellipse is just a simplification of the temporal ridge and the side plane of the head that is created by the temporal line and the side of the skull.
So to answer your question, the degree of the ellipse will change according to how oblique the head is to your perspective. The more oblique the head is the greater the degree the less oblique the lesser degree of the ellipse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U
http://www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/05/draw-head-any-angle/

>>3422537
Thanks. I'll go do that

>>3422537
Anime ignores all this though.

>>3422580
Some do some don't.

>>3422580
>anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

>>3422621
Lol

>>3422408

But I'm a Commie and I love Loomis.

Also Christianity a shit, go back to Roman Paganism.

>>3423652
>cuckanism

>>3423652
It's nice knowing dirty commies fell for the Loomis meme.

>>3423770

>look at this propaganda image i saved on my harddrive

>>3423784

Materialism is a helluva drug

>>3423789
I guess facts are propaganda to the pagancuck.
>meanwhile in 75% catholic 102 average iq Italy

>>3423796

Enjoy your Jew on a stick I guess

>>3423796
It's funny because I live in Italy and I never heard about this bullshit, also Veneto is pretty famous as a region for not being very religious, quite the contrary actually.

>>3423770
Whew, the ultimate nitpick, too bad that eastern Europe countries are shitholes, makes sense they are so overly religious. Get fucked /pol/cuck.

>>3423810
>too bad that eastern Europe countries are shitholes
Communism is a hell of a drug. Plus you can't expect mongol rapebabies to function as well as proper europeans.

>>3423802
>too bad that eastern Europe countries are shitholes
Yeah, because they were under communism for half a century, moron.

>>3423817
>>3423827

Communism did more for Eastern Europe than any other system could've ever hope to achieve.

Your ball meme is funny, but historically deaf. There was no starvation or significant food problems in the USSR past 1945. If anything, the Soviet Union was responsible for ending the cycle of drought and starvation that had affected Russia for hundreds of years prior. Even Americans that analyzed food consumption acknowledged that the Russian diet was, on average, healthier than the American diet.

I'm not a Tankie. The USSR wasn't perfect or ideal, but to claim it was a failure is a bit strange, considering it transformed Russia from a third-world shithole to a superpower in 20 years. Even at the end, the USSR had to be killed by its leadership and the first elections had to be rigged to stop Communists from getting voted back into power.

If anything, the only reason Western Europe is as developed as it is today is due to Communism and the fact that America pumped billions into Western countries in order to redevelop them.

Also Loomis was a Commie, probably.

>>3423834
Interesting.

>>3423834
>Communism did more for Eastern Europe than any other system could've ever hope to achieve.
How does someone become this delusional?

>>3423810
>too bad that eastern Europe countries are shitholes
That's what a century of communism does to you.

>>3423841

It's called "reading" and being "historically literate".

>>3423834
>I'm not a Tankie
>copypastes the usual run of the mill tankie "arguments"

>>3423847
Reading communist propaganda on reddit doesn't exactly make you well read.

>>3423847
Spewing insane propaganda and objectively falsehoods does not equal being "historically literate".

>>3423847
well, cite your sources amigo
i'm always up for a laugh with commie books

>>3423834
>

>>3423848

They're not arguments, they're facts. It's a fact that past 1945 there was no starvation. It's a fact that the Russian diet was healthier. It's a fact that people overwhelmingly voted for the preservation of the USSR. It's a fact that the Marshall Plan existed. It's a fact that Russia was a feudal shithole and became a superpower in 20 years.

Again, that's not to say the USSR was infallible, but to blame it on the backwardness of modern post-Soviet states is a bit misleading, especially since it's been 30 years since the fall of Communism and you'd think in that time Capitalism would've produced the same results as Communism did. It hasn't, and in fact most post-Soviet countries have barely returned to Soviet-era GDP levels.

>>3423850
>>3423851

What of what I said was propaganda or "objective falsehoods"?

>>3423853

What's the point of posting sources if you're clearly not up for engaging them with an open mind? You've made your choice on which side of the fence you stand. I have nothing to gain from posting books.

Regardless, If you want someone whose life's work revolves around a more measured observation of the successes/failures of the USSR, I'd suggest looking up Michael Parenti and his lectures on Youtube.

this is what happened to /ic/

>>3423861

>>3423864
And in the end his shit is paying of, cause /ic/ is getting worse

>>3423652
>Paganism
You must be at least 18 to post on this board.

>>3423834
>>3423861
kill yourself

https://www.rbth.com/business/2015/05/08/allies_gave_soviets_130_billion_under_lend-lease_45879.html

>>3423900

Are you trying to equate the Lend-Lease to the Marshall Plan? Or are you implying the Soviets wouldn't have been able to defeat the Nazis without Allied aid?

Both are incorrect implications, at any rate.

>>3423914
>One of the main areas of cooperation was aviation fuel. The USSR could not produce gasoline with high octane. However, it was this fuel that was used by the equipment supplied by the Allies. In addition, the Achilles heel of the Soviet Army was communication and transport. The Soviet industry simply could not meet the demand either in number or in quality.

>For example, the army lost 58 percent of its vehicles in 1941 alone. To recover these losses, the Allies supplied more than 400,000 vehicles, mainly trucks, to the USSR.

>It was not only supplies of finished products, but also raw materials that were extremely important – metals, chemicals and products, which were either not produced in the USSR or lost to the enemy. For example, more than half of Soviet aircraft were produced using aluminum supplied by the Allies.

>>3423918

Again, if the implication is that the USSR would've been unable to defeat the Nazis, it is incorrect. By the time the Lend-Lease had begun, the Battle of Moscow had already taken place. It crippled Operation Barbarossa. This is not to say that the Lend-Lease was not a massive help to the USSR, but the USSR was already capable of holding the Nazi advance before the Lend-Lease started. It severely reduced the time that the war would last, definitely - but it didn't change the ultimate outcome.

>>3423796
They need Rick and Morty in their lives.

>>3410368
wow this thread went to shit

>>3423914
Gulag Archipelago.

>>3423931
As far as any rational relatively normal human being goes, that's a non-indoctrinated self-proclaimed revolutionist gulag genocide denier, deflector and apologist goes, Communism, Moaism, and Socialism are on par with the atrocities comparable to and greater than Nazism in terms of raw death toll and human suffering, leave western civilization and don't come back, goose stepping boot licker.

>>3423970

If we're using death count as a descriptor of how good or bad a system is, you should be vehemently anti-Capitalist. But who am I kidding, it's uncomfortable to discuss the deaths Capitalism produces.

It killed more people than Communism in the same amount of time, by the way.

>>3423970
Socialism is the reason why you don't work 16 hours a day while living in an overcrowded slum and you don't get tossed away like garbage the moment you stop being useful.

>>3423940
yeah...

>>3423976
Rather die fat with no free healthcare and my liberties than be shot in the back of the head starving, raped and poor for the glorious revolution because I sneaked a few grains of wheat for my starving dying family.

>>3423993
>Rather die fat
>sneaked a few grains of wheat for my starving dying family
kek

>>3423978
>When the unions weren't corrupt
>Basic work laws are not socialism

>>3423999
Checked, and brother, Stalin needs your oats for glorious revolution, kulaks are too rich, we must kill them because they are productive.

>>3423970
>he falls for the holohoax meme

>>3424021
That projection, that implication, wew.

>>3424021
>anime pic
>completely retarded
of course.

>>3424056
Anime website

>>3424062
>he's an edgy manchildren
>he also watches cartoons for autistic kids
of course.

>>3424066
>he isn't an edgy manchild who watches cartoons for autistic children
NGMI

Gonna have to make a new thread when this one hits bump limit, it's a really popular topic!

>>3423834

>Communism did more for Eastern Europe than any other system could've ever hope to achieve.

I'm sure all 7-10 million Ukrainians starved to death by the communists would agree with you.

> Collectivization in the Soviet Union, including the Ukrainian SSR, was not popular among the peasantry and forced collectivisation led to numerous peasant revolts. The first five-year plan changed the output expected from Ukrainian farms, from the familiar crop of grain to unfamiliar crops like sugar beets and cotton.
>It has been proposed that the Soviet leadership used the man-made famine to attack Ukrainian nationalism, and thus the man-made famine may fall under the legal definition of genocide

TIPPY TOP-TIER QUOTES:

>Survival was a moral as well as a physical struggle. A woman doctor wrote to a friend in June 1933 that she had not yet become a cannibal, but was "not sure that I shall not be one by the time my letter reaches you." The good people died first. Those who refused to steal or to prostitute themselves died. Those who gave food to others died. Those who refused to eat corpses died. Those who refused to kill their fellow man died. Parents who resisted cannibalism died before their children did
>The Soviet regime printed posters declaring: "To eat your own children is a barbarian act
>More than 2,500 people were convicted of cannibalism during the Holodomor.

>>3410788
Who the fuck uses all that just to get a head done?
I just draw a egg and build the face from there.

>>3419284
>that right eye

Way too fucking flat for the angle the face is draw on.

>>3423940
>went

It's been shit since the first post.

>>3422580
Anime is just an abstraction of reality. If you know fundamentals you can simplify the line work to stylize a character.

People who just copy anime are copying someone's abstraction and aren't learning anything.

HOW DO I DRAW ANIME, IT'S KILLING ME AHHH

>>3424577
NO, ANON YOU ARE THE ANIME

>>3423834
>If anything, the Soviet Union was responsible for ending the cycle of drought and starvation that had affected Russia for hundreds of years prior.

Norman Borlaug and his international teams solved the historical famine problem in the mid 1900s, not the Soviet Union which only exacerbated its existing food problems through collectivism etc.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/13/AR2009091300375.html

>Dr. Borlaug was barely known in the country of his birth. But in India, Mexico and other nations susceptible to hunger and famine, he was known as one of the great Americans of modern times. Price accompanied Dr. Borlaug to Russia, where he visited a wheat research institute south of Moscow. "When Norm came in," Price said, "the scientists at the institute all cried."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYUvt0f4qbE

If you look at chibi faces you will see that its just one giant symbol
The "construction" thats shown in how to draw manga shit and step by step shown by mangakas themselves always:
a. changes completly at different angles
b. doest follow any kind of form, just arbitrary lines which themselves need to be placed by feel
c. artist himself doesnt follow his own guidelines
It just seems mangakas invent their own way to draw their characters without any rhyme or reason and the faces change structure at different angles, many times ive watched time lapses of gooks drawing their mango and they all freehand it. Thats why 3d shit cant really replace manga and 3d models of animu characters always look kinda off.
You can see here >>3410788 >>3419284 >>3420674 the same phenomena.
Pic rel is my attempt, ive started with a flat square and just kinda built on it what I felt was right, im no expert by any means or good, just posting my observations.

>>3425399
>It just seems mangakas invent their own way to draw their characters without any rhyme or reason and the faces change structure at different angles, many times ive watched time lapses of gooks drawing their mango and they all freehand it.

You're not wrong, but doing the construction is what gives you the placement knowledge and practice to do what you're saying. It took me about 3 months of doing formal construction of heads and studying anatomy before I had a general feel I could use to produce a good-looking head from imagination without needing to set up the forms every time.

I used to try to draw loosely like that and I didn't make any progress. I found somehow that learning the rigor made the loose versions look better too.

>>3425399
That's not what symbol drawing is

>japs use generic head costruction
>seeeeee looomiiis
you guys are patethic loomis didn't invented how to construct the head or how to visualize things in 3D and a lot of anime use different proportions to simulate moe,now semi realistic anime ofc has to use a more realistic approach.basically everybody is stupid but me

>>3425399
Serious question, are you retarded?

The construction in the examples you posted don't follow any kind of form? It's literally Loomis 101. The exact same construction, only difference is that some artists prefer to use a center line to place the eyes that is a little bit below the brow line Loomis uses.

>>3426207
> loomis didn't invented how to construct the head or how to visualize things in 3D
No one said that you mongoloid. The people who hate Loomis so much continuously pretend that this very method of constructing the head is somehow wrong and inefficient because reasons. They blame the fact that they can't draw for shit on them having tried to learn this "meme" method.

Now this thread points out that their beloved Japanese artists use literally the exact same method, not because you have to learn it from Loomis, but simply because using these or similar shapes + construction lines to divide them to place the facial features is simply the most logical, common sense process. Now there is no more excuse for why you are so shit at drawing. It's not Loomis' fault, he taught you the same basics your precious japanese artists are using, you just fucking suck at drawing.

I try using the ball for anime but I don't understand their dorito chins.

>>3426282
not what happened at all

>>3426246
>pretend that this very method of constructing the head is somehow wrong and inefficient because reasons
if you copy 1:1 loomis head is quite hard to draw anime especially lolis or moe characters,because proportions between features are quite different.so yes i can agree to some degrees that's inefficient and "wrong" if you want to draw anime.why would you practice loomis's head construction when you can learn how japs do it?
>The people who hate Loomis
no retard.people who hate loomis do so because crabs keep meming it like it's a correct critique,reality is most of the time they are lazy or not skilled enough to make a better edit or pin point critic zones,so they just say loomis for a generic "draw more,your fundies sucks" because is the easiest way out.so no i will never accept "loomis" as critique and neither should you.

as stated above everybody is stupid but me

>>3426283
When you want to prove devotion to a girl so you give parts of your body as a gift.

>>3426267
That's because you are thinking in 2d still.
It's not a Doritos shape, but a pyramid

>>3426047
tell me your definition then :)
>>3426243
learn to read

>mfw this shit got derailed

>>3426887
yes, 'wtf loomis lied to me' was a very important topic

>>3425399
Actually embarassing. Ignorance, vitriol, and DK to the max.

>>3425399
You're right. Anyone can just go into any mangaka livestream and they can see for themselves how skilled artists freehand their stuff 95% of the time.

wtf... anatomy was a meme bros...

>>3426967
>DK to the max
nothing embarassing about that

>>3411370
this is why /ic/ is the best board

>>3425399
>c. artist himself doesnt follow his own guidelines
Isn't all true.
Because guideline in manga have a diferent logic.

For exemple, the Eyes.
In manga, use a type non-realistic eyes and this is impossible to put in a real skull.
Soon, eyes in manga is more like a "two orbs floating in a giant orb".
Understand? The forms exist, but not are same real body forms.

>>3426287
>if you copy 1:1 loomis head is quite hard to draw anime especially lolis or moe characters,because proportions between features are quite different.so yes i can agree to some degrees that's inefficient and "wrong" if you want to draw anime.why would you practice loomis's head construction when you can learn how japs do it?
Isn't all true, too.
Because metods of construction are universal.
You only need adapt the logic of forms.

An cartoon head, an manga head, an realistc head. Only change the logic of elements used.
If anybody learn to draw a car, also learn to draw a airplane. Only change elements, keep same metod.

>>3423810
>Whew, the ultimate nitpick, too bad that eastern Europe countries are shitholes
So now europe and the anglos are ruining themselves for jewish profits and the only countries that won't be muslim hell by 2030 will be those balkan shitholes and latin america. Then everyone left with a brain not rotten by white guilt will be trying to run into purgatory to escape from hell.

That's not something to celebrate, you dunce.

>>3423834
Every third world country would become a superpower in 20 years if they kept their national net worth but lost their 30% poorest people with no consequences.

>>3427219
What about South korea tho

>>3423978
No, not really.
The reasons capitalists keep us on the fine line between total ruin and comfort is because ruined people don't have money to spend but comfortable people don't spend their money.

The only reason even absolutelly useless people are giving money to indulge their basic needs and vices is capitalism needs money to move. Every other system would have let them die.

4chan solved the politic's yet again baby

>funny thread devolves into political shitposting

oh my fucking god why dont you /pol/tards and lefties get the fuck out of here

>>3426246
>The people who hate Loomis so much continuously pretend that this very method of constructing the head is somehow wrong and inefficient because reasons.
>reasons
Bargue is simple and straightforward.
Reilly is extremelly detailed and solid.
The various methods of cartooning derived from Disney's Bambi construction are volumetric and expressive.

Loomis is the middle ground inbeteen all others, it literally makes you work harder if you're trying to get dynamic lightning (unlike Bargue), a solid ressemblance (unlike Reilly) or draw from imagination. And it's the absolute worst method to use if you want to stylize the face.

Stop telling people who want to draw cartoons to study Loomis when every other fucking method is better at drawing cartoons than Loomis.

>>3427227
That's the fucking problem, without the left and the state regulating them the big corporations wouldn't give a flying fuck about keeping the population on a "fine line" and would fuck up the economy big time trying to earn more by cutting cost on the workers.

The problem with capitalism is that if you try to play nice and care about your workers you'll get crushed by those who play dirty, and those who play dirty will fuck up the whole system in the long run.

>>3410368
even robot have his 2wife

>>3427280
kek

>>3427005
>male
>muscles
>bro
i see this will only get worse

>>3427273
>big corporations wouldn't give a flying fuck about keeping the population on a "fine line" and would fuck up the economy big time trying to earn more by cutting cost on the workers
And die immediately as there remains no people to buy their product.

The left is not helping, it is in fact harming the system. The more government interferes with corporations the more responsible it is for them. The government is keeping companies able to survive blunders that should have caused their downfall because of rampant greed.
The right has many retarded socialogical ideas. But their economic approach of having the company not make itself responsible for companies' retardation, not interfering with individuals encroaching companies' markets, punishing companies that make their money in america for spending or hiding it outside the border. All those are things that could get us off the line, and yes they would expose us to an immediate backlash from megacorps trying as hard as they can to keep us on a leash, but in the end without the leftist government's interference and protection of corporate america today's children may one day have consumer rights again.

>>3427254
Welcome to the state of the Internet in Twenty-Eighteen.

>>3427390
To think that consumers having "rights" would mean that they're more empowered to drive market forces is bullshit. Consumers can be educated about exercising their rights but realistically many of them most likely won't because they can't be assed to until it becomes extremely dire. You talking away your chump change from their business is going to mean jack shit if your movement has little popular support because marketing convinced otherwise.

If you really want to see how an unregulated market may look like, look at the state of the video games industry. Walled gardens, microtransactions up the ass, price-gouging, deceptive marketing, weak or fickle pro-consumer movements, scummy developers resorting to underhanded tactics, and endless asset flips anti-games designed solely to make money for third world shitters.

>>3427543
>If you really want to see how an unregulated market may look like, look at the state of the video games industry. Walled gardens, microtransactions up the ass, price-gouging, deceptive marketing, weak or fickle pro-consumer movements, scummy developers resorting to underhanded tactics, and endless asset flips anti-games designed solely to make money for third world shitters.
And most studios have bankrupted or been bought and gutted by EA/Vivendi who have both posted massive losses despite having billion dollar IPs.

Chage doesn't happen in days commie. But the negative consequences of the video game industry's ravenous practices are already hurting it greatly and forcing some companies to restructure their economic practices towards sustainability because when the government isn't there to catch you when you fall jumping after one more shekel kills your company and leaves you painting camo textures for the next COD for less than you were paying your own employees the year before.

>>3427570
>And most studios have bankrupted or been bought and gutted by EA/Vivendi who have both posted massive losses despite having billion dollar IPs.

Idealistically the concept works if all the companies are small enough that mistakes are more costly. But EA and Vivendi are so massive that even if they are burned by negative press and suffer losses in some IPs, they could fall back to brand names with more mainstream appeal and much less dissent. Battlefront 2 failed because it was Star Wars; in contrast so much less noise was made over rampant monetization in FIFA, NBA LIVE, Need for Speed and UFC.

Their most recent annual financial reports also show that they're pretty financially comfortable, as are Blizzard-Activision, Ubisoft, Take-Two, Capcom, and even fucking Konami. This industry is well-insulated from consumer outrage.

>Chage doesn't happen in days commie.

Of course it doesn't. The state of gaming now is many years in the making, and it's not expected to unfuck itself in the foreseeable future. The only question now is how much more damage will there be before things settle down.

>But the negative consequences of the video game industry's ravenous practices are already hurting it greatly and forcing some companies to restructure their economic practices towards sustainability

By sustainability you mean buying time until the shitstorm dies down or falling back to sports games and the expanding mobile market where it's far easier to sell microtransactions for the least amount of work? Or gobble up an up-and-coming developer like Microsoft to Mojang or EA to Respawn and squeeze them dry so slowly nobody will notice until it's too late?

>because when the government isn't there to catch you when you fall jumping after one more shekel kills your company and leaves you painting camo textures for the next COD for less than you were paying your own employees the year before.

>Actually believing governments bail out entertainment companies.

>>3426887
it couldn't be helped, blue loomis-chan
you will forever be in my heart

>>3427280
I see the appeal

>>3411370
add me in the screencap please

someone make a new "wtf loomis lied to me" thread