/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Anyone can share proko pose set ?

does this look right? obviously im worried about the perspective. im not using any references other than googling 'revans mask' and drawing the mask from the angle/position that i want.

working on this for mermay, im not really good at drawing people so it looks horrible. got any advice?

>>3407947
It looks alright but the face looks pretty flat, the mask doesn't "pop" out from the neck, and its highlighted further because you put some amount of depth with the cloak. That's just my two cents though.

>>3407982
>got any advice?
Learn to draw maybe?

>>3408009
Fuck off

>>3407982
Study real people, re-study how to construct drawings if you aren't already

>>3408021
What do you mean? That's what you should be doing, there's not really much to say beside that, I could just list the specific things you need to learn, but that would just be the list of all fundamentals. Read the sticky is another advice I can give. Study photos. Then learn to construct a figure.

>>3408021
It sounds rude but you need to work on fundamentals.

One day I’ll study perspective another anatomy and another I’ll just draw anime.

Really just all over with my learning. Wonder if studying one thing for a week will help me progress.

Anyway today I focused on accuracy of proportions. Plum lines negative space, stuff like that.

Is it normal to get "tired" in the beginning? As in, I finish a 30 minute exercise from a book and the effort I put takes a lot of energy. It's been like this for a while, and it makes it difficult to draw more than an hour a day.

Advice?

>>3408040
Pretty hellish experience when I first started, I cried a lot and sometimes slammed my fist on the desk.

I would say yes it’s the hardest in the beginning and gets easier to go longer as you improve. In the beginning you are grinding those little brain gears making sure you are aware of all the rules you have to follow. As you master them they become subconscious and you no longer have to think about them.

>>3408004
oh thats fine i only care if the drawing is good. its going to get painted anyways

>>3408039
Resize your image please

what's a good place to start with anatomy?

>>3408039
How many personal pieces have you drawn this week? Doing studies is good and all but you should really focus on doing your own stuff. Studies and reading books should be supplements that you do to improve the skills you already have.

>>3408056
Uh like one maybe... I can barely draw from imagination. I can draw the basic forms and shapes but precise details, say like under the arm and placing the lat bulge in the right place and all that good stuff is a total loss for me.

I genuinly don’t see the point in imaginative drawing when it’s going to be wildly inaccurate and near impossible to learn from considering there isn’t reference to compare it to. I feel imaginative drawing is for masters when all the fundamentals are aced. But I could be wrong.

>>3408053
not bijork

>>3408053
Grab Anatomy for Sculptors and/or Figure Drawing for all it's Worth. Do ecorches (draw muscles over photos). Scott Eaton is good for this. That's just the "knowing where shit is and the general shape" portion. The other is the construction side, so that means proportion, landmarks, perspective, simplifying humans into masses of form. You gotta practice both, just like how you gotta do observational stuff and you gotta do perspective figure practice. It really depends on your end goal as well, do you wanna draw characters from your imagination or do you wanna primarily do referenced work or do both or what? I'll tell you right now drawing characters from imagination is *not* easy, especially if you want them to look anywhere near realistic.

Other resources that are good are Drawabox and How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way. Learn gesture, learn all that good shit. Take it one day at a time, it's incremental. Oh, respect and think about the spine, trust me on that.

>pretty much a beginner
>everything I've drawn are shitty doodles
>want to get better at it
>my hands always shake so I cant draw straight or complete lines
>look at books and get confused by the simplest of tasks
>started doing loomis but don't know if I should be looking at other people
>friend just tells me to draw what I want
I guess i'll just keep drawing these blook balls until i can draw straight

Is it bad to practice gesture and construction referencing other drawings rather than photos? Obviously from detailed, complete ones by good artists, I imagine drawing gestures from gestures or construction from bad art is counterproductive at best.

>>3407940
bump.

>>3408064
Okay stop anon. You need to stop. Don't do this to yourself. Drawing from imagination isn't what you do AFTER you have mastered the fundamentals. It's what you do ALONG SIDE studying fundamentals. Holy shit anon you're killing your art career without even knowing it.

Did some leg studies, focused on the knees, thoughts?

>>3408104
What exactly are the pitfalls of not drawing for imagination. You frame it as if I would never be able to draw from imagination if I get too far with fundamentals which seems odd because I’m pretty sure at anytime I could start practicing it.

>>3407940
If you register for an account at gfxpeers and search for proko torrents, they have them all there. Probably cgpeers too.

>>3408143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI

>>3408053
whether that's a scarf or a hand, that's something you could easily work on

>>3408162
Ironically, that human after human only made Proko more popular

>>3408093
I mean you can, but you always run the risk of studying a drawing with incorrect anatomy or stylized anatomy without knowing the form it was stylized from. Having an untrained eye, you can miss some of the imperfections and assume it's correct when really there are bad habits you're picking up. I'd say if you're learning anatomy it's best to stick to photographic/book reference of models. You don't have to make it a full time job, a little bit goes a long way as they say.
Then you'll find yourself going back to the art you were about to study and are able to see the anatomical errors you almost learned. I can't tell you how many times I looked through my reference folder after studying, looked at some saved art and thought "How did I ever think this was reference worthy?"

That said, there is plenty to learn from studying the art that inspires you. In fact, studying the art I like has resulted in some of the fastest improvement I've ever seen from my art.
Don't trace, but draw beside it, then put the drawing over it at a lower opacity to see how close you were.
What you're achieving from this is trying to figure out how the artist applied the fundamentals to get from start to finish. The lines, the shapes, the perspective, shading & lighting, etc. See "master studies", however in some cases you're studying anime titty monsters, at which point it's just more less a peer study.
Study the artists that inspire you to become the artist you aspire to be.

I want to draw stuff from imagination but I have no creative talent whatsoever. Even whenever I see pictures on 4chan of generic anime girl in generic anime girl pose I always think "I would have never thought of that". If I try to do something interesting it's just different for the sake of different and completely unimaginative and boring
It feels like all I'll ever be able to do is dull studies, should I just quit art ?

these were meant to be gestures

1 minute for most, 2 minutes on the rightmost two i think?

>>3408078
My hands shake as well due to essential tremors, which is my excuse for anxiety.

Look at Keys to Drawing. Every drawing in there looks like it was drawn during an earthquake, yet it's still a published book that's on the top of recommended lists.
Don't let imperfections weigh you down because there is always going to be imperfections. We're humans, not machine.

Alternatively, what I can suggest is:
-Practice Peter Han's dynamic sketching exercises on YouTube or the DrawABox lessons. They're geared to help you make cleaner lines.
-Always remember to draw from your shoulder/elbow and not your wrist. Your wrist has limited movement and will often begin to wobble as you hit that limit. Lock your wrist and draw from that shoulder.
-If you're working digitally, make use of strike stabilization. There's no shame in it, the tools are there for a reason and this is that reason. Photoshop CC has it, clip studio and Sai have it. There are third party tools like lazy nezumi that provide it in any program.

Keep at it anon, you're gonna make it. You're a perfectionist is all, don't let it be a shackle.

>>3408194
>Strike stabilization
Stroke stabilization*

Phone autocorrect

>>3408188
I am sure that with a bit more study you too can come up with generic poses

>>3408188
Everything that was ever created was inspired by something else that in turn was inspired by something else. Take a break, play some games or watch a movie. Read comics, manga or anime.
Let something inspire you, because when you're inspired your creative juices start flowing. At that point just doodle. Put down quick ideas in the form of thumbnails, then when you get one you like move forward with it.

There are also other tools available if you're desperate for a quick idea. The draw threads across the boards are full of idea guys posting requests. There are idea generator phone apps and sites.
Also this is packed with ideas. https://m.imgur.com/a/mcKNSdB

>>3408162
Oh don’t worry anon proko draws people mainly by choice, it isn’t a result of study habits. It’s just what interests him.

I will say creativity is a muscle but you can build it at any time.

Is there a single video of a guy actually drawing from his shoulder instead of drawing a picture of him drawing from his shoulder?

>>3408232
https://youtu.be/eaif0PpNMas

Keep in mind that sometimes just drawing from your elbow will do. If you're drawing on a small tablet for example, you may not need more range than what your elbow can handle.

teal line guy isnt here because he made it

halfway through

>>3408162
This is more inspirational than anything else.
If proko makes mistakes or draws something that looks way off, then I shouldn't beat myself up when I get it wrong. Just gotta keep studying.

Also is a lesson in that even the masters need reference, never feel shameful for using reference.

>>3408193
Why did you cross over one of them?

>>3408275
because it particularly frustrated me, i only crossed it out after i was done drawing though

one more page for luck, i think these at least read alright, probably because I didn't time myself at all for them
tend to get stuck on contours too much

any comments appreciated

>>3408247
point out my flaws my dudes

>>3408247
why do the abs look so rigid?

>>3408320
Proportions are odd. His left foot don't seem to obey the perspective. And the light on his left overarm looks out of place.

>>3408331
thanks, i'll put a bit of light on our left side of his left arm

Critic my penwork... I know it's crude as fuck but hey I'm open for other criticism

>>3408352
>Picture at an angle
>Pen on drawing

Which one do I read first?

>>3408372
Perspective made easy.

>>3408365
also
>not resized

>>3408352
kinda hard to say anything about the penmanship seeing it's a ballpoint. but assuming the drawing is original i think it's pretty good, there's a bit of funny stuff going on if you try to look for inaccuracies but i don't think they're anything to worry about.

>>3408372
keys

>>3408372
loomis

>>3408352
The head seems really small, as well as disjoined and off from the centerline of the torso
Also the left breast seems to be up a bit high and 2d/flattened almost

>>3408372
Keys and Perspective at the same time.

>>3408372
reading is for virgins

>>3408188
You have no visual library, you have to expand it

>join cubebrush's art school program because I wanted to learn in a group
>Releases figure drawing curriculum content
>Watch video
>Teacher struggles just to draw a proportion chart and keeps messing up landmarks
>Eventually starts fucking up to the point where he gets quiet and you can hear him sigh
>Video cuts to later, where he clearly had to pull up a proportion chart to copy from
>I payed for this

Reminder to you all that if this teacher who has worked at Blizzard among other studios as well as has a channel with hundreds of thousands of subscribers and a successful art site all while still fucking up something as simple as a proportion chart can make it then you definitely can

>>3408352
Tried to copy

>>3408474
Did you try to rotate?

>>3408066
>bijork
wtf thats not how you spell my waifu

>>3408069
Thanks for the in-depth response. I will check out those books and look into the exercises.

I would like to draw characters from imagination, thats the primary reason I want to learn anatomy but I don't really strive for hyper realism, just a basic understanding of it really. Thanks again dude, that's a huge help.

>>3408163
It's a hand and you're right. One of the reasons I want to learn anatomy for.

>>3408465
How do you expand your visual library.

>>3408603
By drawing a lot of everything.

>>3408603
you copy a wide variety of things
if you want to have a big arm visual library, you copy lots of male and female arms in different positions

>>3408474

crop the height a little if your mobile image uploaded sideways.

>>3408194
Thanks anon, I tend to draw from the wrist since im fairly new, I'll try drawing from the shoulder more and look at the youtube

>>3408474
Phoneposter anon, cropped the pic

I'm going to practice the fundamentals and learn how to draw without making my sketches so messy.

>>3408643
I remember getting criticism for a flat anime face, so a realistic face like this one would be even worse. I think it has to do with the placement with her left eye and maybe pushing out the nose a bit more. The button pad also doesn't conform to perspective rules and the helmet looks like it's put on wrong (screwed too far to her right).

>>3408372
keys and perspective made easy together while drawing things from both and applying them to both. ditch the other two completely.

I'm having trouble finding a comfortable linework strategy. I've changed brush size, opacity, texture, and used the pen tool. From top left I used pen tool with lots of scratchy lines, same thing but red and even scratchier, pen tool, hard round, and the bottom is textured hard round. This is from reference from some tut on pinterest. Am I on the right track with any of these?

Sorry. Middle left is textured, middle right is hard round, bottom is pencil tool.

>>3408868

draw a loose sketch then refine on a new layer or draw a loose sketch and use eraser to erase and refine and adjust things on the same layer.

>>3408868
What's the original ref? I feel like I've seen these titties before

>>3408885
Here ya go

Shit my bad.

I jus wanna clarify: I sameface real fuckin bad and its an ugly same face too which makes it even worse. im doing this because of symbol drawing, right? & I need to study more references and build a better library in my head?
shits pissin me off im trying to draw with my imagination inbetween studying and its always the same fuckin face

>>3407982
if she's facing right, then you want the top middle proportions. her eyes are way too far up her head.

Hey there, /beg/!

I drew this in my figure drawing class when we were practicing with Chunk-O Crayons.

Any feedback or critique would be awesome!

>>3408021
It comes off rude but he's correct, learn to control your pen/pencil on the paper, the techniques, values, and textures. Literally what your Art teacher has been trying to teach you since the get go.

>>3408901
Could you post the face? I'm having the same problem so I'd like to see if such a solution would work for me.

>>3408901
Could you post the face? I'm having the same problem so I'd like to see if such a solution would work for me.

I'm going to finish this mika all the way to color. Any critique on my perspective, anatomy, derpy face?

>thinking everything you make is shit is good because it means you have good taste

I wish I had bad taste. I just wish I could be happy being deviantart tier forever and work a slave job, telling myself I just didn't have luck.

Someone hold me tight.

:(

>>3408974
her right shoulder seems noticeably bigger than her left

I'm getting a new computer for digital art tomorrow, I need to know which software is overall best for drawing and painting?

Krita? Medibang? SAI?

Also, what DPI + canvas sizes does one recommend for digital paintings that may be sold as art prints in the near future. If I wanted to make an art print at 600 dpi, do I work on a canvas with 300 dpi and then export it as 600 when I'm done or do I work on a canvas with 600 dpi from the getgo.

How do I be creative
I used to have an overactive imagination but now I am completely uninspired and can only come up with boring, generic shit
Even if I have a semi interesting idea I can't follow through with anything other than the same bog-standard stuff as before except with a slight tweak I didn't even execute well
Everyone always says to get inspired and take in new media but I've been doing that for a long time, I've seen a ton of new shows, read new books and played new games, taken long walks, looked up art for the sake of looking up art of stuff, and everything is still boring and samey
Ive even gotten a job and gone out into the real world like other people say, still nothing
People say to just doodle or do that thing where you scribble and try to make something out of the scribbles, but all doodling does is make me miserable because it looks like garbage because Ive only used a tablet for a year

i'm doing some life drawing homework and tryin' my darndest to draw this here lady...

i've been at it for over an hour now, and the one on the far right is my most recent attempt. do youse guys got any pointers for me on how to make this less bad?

>>3409095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiYk58W--w&list=PL3aPoNPQSJnSJVw2_GUVR7jC0nbnksq6F&index=8

How do I make this any better?

>>3409091
What do you like, what's in those folders

>>3408868
csp vectors, more confidence, or a customized pen brush with minimum weight and good stabilization

>>3409156
I save everything I like the look or concept of to use in something else, and keep tutorials
sometimes its a hairstyle, or part of an outfit, a pose, or just how something was colored, the mood of something or just when someone drew something cute

>>3409127

oh hey! that helps a lot!

thanks!

>>3409161
Draw everything in that folder. Try your best to convey the same feeling in your own drawings. It doesn't have to be an exact replica, just replicate the feeling of the concept. Play around with doing a little bit different off of the concept and such.

>>3409172
ok

Heres a thing I just did if people want to critique my loomis and tell me how I cant shade

>>3407930
Tried doing Uraraka without copying her exactly, used a reference image
Thoughts?

>>3409167
Make sure when you're doing angled lines you relate them to times on a clock, otherwise it's really hard to get them accurate when you're first starting out.

>>3409192
Your hair has almost no volume from at the scalp.

I'm trying to get into drawing girl's hair, but it's invariably coming out like crap, gets muddy, and ends up looking like trash.

What are the best resources for learning to draw hair?

>>3409152

It's pretty good, buthe neck looks weird on the right side (it's pencil thin), the head at the top is transparent (the blue is seeping too strongly into the hair, and the eye's shading is too fancy and anime compared to the otherwise simpler shading of the neck, hands, and body

Tried to do some Croquis Cafe drawings according to the on-screen timer. Anything below 1-2 minutes felt like an absolute waste even for warmup purposes. Haven't been able to draw much the past few days but happy with how some things came out (compared to my past attempts) in the longer poses so motivated to spend some more time on a 20 minute study before bed.

Need to figure out a workflow/canvas size to work on a bunch of drawings quickly without making new layers and hiding the current ones, might make an action for it idk.

>>3408143
All your drawings will come out looking like studies. They will come out uncreative and "safe". Doing only studies all the time builds into a bad habit of doing everything safe. You'll be afraid of experimenting. The studies you do will now become your new "safe space". When you finally want to start drawing from imagination you'll have to work really hard to break the habit of drawing everything like a study. If you draw from imagination more than studies you'll have less problems that you'll have to fix later on.

>>3409264
More like a different set of problems. The appropriate comparison would be "never studying any sort of fundamentals and only drawing from imagination" so you're comparing deviant art furries to proko fetuses.

>>3409158
What are csp vectors?

>>3408473
That's fucking sad. Didn't know that cuberbrush was that bad.

>>3408836
fuck
ive been reading fun with pencil for no fucking reason

>>3409279
I dont know what you mean, but drawing only studies and not drawing from imagination is just as harmful as drawing only from imagination and not doing studies and fundamentals. You need to balance it out. Best way to do it is. For every 1 page of studies you do. Draw 2 pages from imagination.

Shit on me /ic/

>>3409192
Dont hide the hands, and resize your image

How can I improve my lineart?

>>3409369
No point in inking shit.

What's a good program for making comics digitally?

>>3409375
CSP, or Medibang if you don't want to pay money.

>>3409374
Could you be more specific?

>>3409386
Your drawing is shit and "lineart" wont save it. Do yourself a favor and forget "lineart", focus on learning how to draw instead.

>>3409400
i think he wants to know how to draw better lines, which i dont really see an issue with, regardless of how bad you think his drawing is.

however for the anon who needs help, sorry i have no idea. maybe do the drawabox exercises, and learn to draw lines with confidence.

Can someone explain a bit about gesture to me?

I'm doing hampton's figure drawing after going through loomis for awhile, and I just can't seem to get it right. The part about asymmetrical lines specifically confuses me

What should I fix before moving forward to lineart, painting, etc.

>>3409450
the lines need a lot of work.

>>3409438
>The part about asymmetrical lines specifically confuses me
How?

>want to read mango and comics but I also feel guilty for not drawing

what do I do?

do I spend my day drawing or reading

>>3409468
draw the comics

>>3409472
good idea!

>>3409463
I guess I have trouble identifying how he uses it in his examples, although I could just be overthinking it.
I was initially under the impression that the lines had to follow the pattern as his example in the picture of my previous post. Basically that every line had to be preceded/followed by a line of opposite direction, but I don't think that's true now


I wish he had elaborated more on what not to do, since I don't usually think of drawing as "symmetrical" either

>>3409483
>I guess I have trouble identifying how he uses it in his examples
Are they symmetric?

>>3409483
I thought the same thing at first when I read that book and spent a good amount of time racking my brain over it. I thought you like HAD to make your lines in that asymmetrical pattern when doing gestures.
Don't overthink it, just keep it in the back of your head that your lines should just flow naturally from one to the other. Focus more on getting that line of action and the rhythm of the body down. Balance is important too, which you'll learn about next.

I like proko's example in that your gestures shouldn't be like snowmen. That's what cleared my head about the asymmetry thing. I highly recommend watching proko's gesture video, as well as example and critique videos on YouTube for more insight on gesture.

hi this is my first time drawing

>>3409495
That's what got me the most, I thought there was a deeper meaning to what he was saying, like it was more of a technique than "don't draw symmetrically" - considering that isn't normally the standard

>>3409503
Thanks for the advice! Also glad to hear i'm not the only one who was confused by that page either. Will definitely check out the proko videos you mentioned

>>3409512
Are you Asian?

>>3409192
You should draw her signature puppy paw hands

Guys, how do i colour within my drawing without having to worry about going over the line. i seen some videos and they talk about "locking pixels" etc. but i am complete brainlet and do not understand it. i drew a figure but now no matter how much i mess with settings i cant colour only within the figure.
all those pro painters on yt and the like do it so casually they dont even bother to mention it, like they have shortcut to set it up or something.
pls, explain it to me in simplest possible way, like to a 5 years old. i need it.

>>3409520
yeah

>>3409593
>without having to worry about going over the line
Post sample.

>>3409593
Google pixel lock my friend. There will probably be step by step instructions with pictures. I'd send you screenshot steps but I won't be in my computer for an hour.

Hint, it's On the layers panel. Button with checkerboard.

Head of reference was slightly tilted, which threw me off. Any critique please.

>>3409603
Good job stylistically trying to keep your shading lines going the same durection. Keep practicing that. Do some more. Your next will be better.
Turn your portrait upside disk or hold Im front of a mirror to quickly identify your errors. Identifying what looks wrong is an important skilll so you can correct as you work

>>3409595
That's what I thought. Looks perfect anon, I'm jealous.

>>3409608
Thanks for the advice anon, my next one will be better for sure.

>>3409634
Without looking at the reference, I'd say the lips are slightly odd.

How long have you been drawing anon? I just started and you're basically where I'd like to be in a few months. Not sure how realistic that is.

>>3409662
I would say if you are a total beginner drawing boxes right now you can be at his level in about a week or two

>>3409666
If you pledge me your soul of course
>>3409662

>>3409225

Bumping for interest. I’m stuck on this as well.

>>3409678
>>3409225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAjINTNo-Cg
Watch this video 3 times. Then draw 5 different hair styles
After that you watch the video again and compare your work with hers

>>3409666
do i dare trust the devil trips?

but also i dont have very much time, what with being a wageslave. but that's very motivating.

>>3409225
i found a guy on reddit today whos website has a good tutorial for it.

icandrawnow.com

im gonna take a better look at it after work, but he just posted a hair tutorial as his last post.

>>3409681

>>3409662
I think if you look at the reference you will see how many mistakes I really made, as you see I'm also quite new, shouldn't take you long.

Drawing a samurai with no reference

>>3409681
>following some instagram bimbo
>literally drawing every strand
I bet you watch Draw with Jazza too

Here's a better vid
https://youtu.be/NHewz3JbKrQ

Finally started drawing 2-3 days ago, trying to make a habit of drawing every day.
Going over Keys to Drawing and drawabox.

>>3409438
Done with a mouse in MSP but i hope you get the idea.

You don't want equal curves. Equal curves stiffen the pose killing gesture - think of it like the waves canceling out each other if they're symmetrical and opposite. You want to lead the viewer's eye from piece to piece like a waterfall down rocks. If you watch Vilppu he definitely does this but that's only one way to think about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk#t=50s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I_egPHop9A

Check out Hustons Figure Drawing books, there are some gems of knowledge throughout in addition to Hampton. I feel like Hampton is a bit too ambiguous and leaves things out so you feel like you've missed something massive but then he's on to the next part. The masses he teaches you aren't always anatomically correct either and you won't get anything out of it unless you're practicing everything and then trying to apply it to imagination/reference. I feel like you can't be a beginner and appreciate how he does gesture.

>>3409893
>Done with a mouse in MSP but i hope you get the idea.
forgot image

>>3409450
stop drawing with your mouse

Hey everyone, I'm feeling pretty lost on where to get started on drawing.

The pic attached is what is what my end goal is and I am wondering where and with what you guys would recommend me to begin work with.
Tutorials, pdfs, videos etc.

Hey guys! I'm pretty lost on where to get started and it feels like I have no clue either on where to look.
I want to know where and with what you guys would recommend me to get started with to be able to eventually in the far future reach something like in terms of quality as picture attached.

Thanks for the help in before hand.

>>3410060
>>3410064

Question

How do you make sure that if you do a study everything is in proportion? When I do it it always looks nothing like the original.

>>3410068
Keys to drawing is all about this and even has a check list to follow to make sure you're headed in the right direction.

>>3410066
This should be posted every thread.

>>3407930
Are life drawing classes worth it?
Do they use fat girls?

is it a good idea to start making separate mini-studies of a bodypart you're having problems with in a study? Like the eyes, for example.

>>3410119

>>3410122
>facial feature looks off
>can't understand why
>attempt to redraw it on blank piece of paper free from the chaos of the original painting
>oh this captured the likeness
>apply it to main study
>end up with something that's not ruined by one insidious flaw
or something like that

>>3409893

Different Anon here with my own question in regards to this:

In Porko's gesture drawings, he makes a point to state that you should be using as few lines as possible, and make those lines as long as possible - and to limit those lines to exclusively C, S, and I shapes.

Vilppu's technique is entirely different - it's made of loads of individual short, loose, and flowy lines that give a very airy waterfally kinda look.

Is there a definitive better way to go about this for beginners? I've been trying to do the ultra-simplified approach that Proko has been demonstrating but my results are horrid. I really do better with smaller strokes, but Proko warns that if I rely too heavily on small scratchy strokes to compose my pieces I'll develop a habit of having low quality linework.

How do you win in this situation?

Started keys today. Getting much more from this than fun with pencil.

Started keys today. Feel like I'm learning much more than I did with fun with pencil.

Learning a lot more from keys than fun with pencil.

I hope this doesn't come out rotated again.

>>3410163

Here's my hand from that Keys To Drawing exercise.

I think it's pretty good for my first hand drawing ever.

What do you guys think?

>>3408372
CC...could you e-mail me those anon? pweeeaaassee? (#ˆ.ˆ#)

Can't find "general questions" thread, so I'll ask ITT.

Suppose, I have a habit signing pictures with date, i.e. month/year. But what should I do if it takes more than 1 month (or even 3 or 4 months...) to draw smthing? What is right thing to do in this case, mention date I've started, or date I've finished?

>>3410280
Started drawing in less than a week so take this with a grain of salt, probably the date you've finished the painting.

>>3410165
now i only want to draw hands

>>3407930
yo noobs! doing another reference drawing.
dont like this one at all, so just gonna stop working on it4a while.

anyone got tips on how to get better at portrait drawing??

>>3410324

>>3407947
Pretty sure you're missing some neck anatomy

how should I go about adding character and life to my drawings? I could study loomis and all those people to teach you how to draw people and such but like where would you go to learn how to add story to your characters, make them look like they are actually having an argument with each other instead of just a nice rendering with angry faces?

>>3410324
>>3410325
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>>3410325

Another total noob here.

How do you shade digitally like that? I'm used to working with charcoal in class so I don't even know what tool I should be using when I'm working digitally.

I'm probably not the best person to ask for advice, but I do really love this portrait, by the way! It's got a very distinct style and I like how the folds on the fabric and the different tones of skin are rendered here! :)

>>3410377
IMO the only tool u need is a brush with adjustable opacity and the color picking tool.

This video rly helped me when I was totaly new with digi painting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZQDe-slZUo

Do you ever finish a drawing and think you might secretly have downs syndrome and everyone around you is just too pained to say anything about it?

>>3410412
I don't need to draw to feel like that

>>3410412
Monika is a big guy.

>>3410419
uu
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How good is my human anatomy notion?

>>3410460
What wrestler is this?

Update on >>3409167

So I'm going to try to shade this thing eventually, but in the meantime, I'd super appreciate some input on the sketch I have of this here so far! Art is hard... :(

>>3410412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bcYjRrbc3M
i recommend drawing a lot of stick figures in dynamic, action-y poses, and watching a few videos on gesture drawing

>>3410412
Just keep drawing.

>>3410493
eyes look off

>>3410493
use pencil/paper and read keys. observational skills are best practiced traditionally (especially at your level, and especially when you're symbol drawing)

I have a problem with unsteady hands, and because of this drawing by hand takes a whole lot of concentration to not fuck it up. Because of this I'm thinking about using a mouse with low sensitivity to draw.
Is there any software in which the lines look natural even when you draw them with the mouse?

I'm in a life drawing class doing some one minute gesture drawings. [The bottom right ones are 5 minute)

I would like some feedback, please!

quick doodle of a friend. I don't like how it came out since it doesn't really look much like him but he liked it so I'm glad

>>3410572
do a lot of top down poses, hunched over frontal poses to turn that weakness into a strength
make sure that you keep searching for those action lines too

>>3410581
Facial features are great, except maybe the ear
The top of most peoples' ears line up with their eyes, and the bottom of the lobes generally line up with the end of their noses
Forehead seems maybe a bit long, eyes look great
It only looks a little off, since it's a quickie
Good stuff anon, well done

>>3410591
Thanks for the tips! I'll be sure to practice more of those when I can!

I tried to focus more on action lines on this second batch!

Do you guys have any more feedback for this set?

How bad is it /beg/?

>>3410617
really good desu

How do I erase without smearing when swashing away the eraser bits?

>>3410377
It's digital so you can do anything. You can keep everything on one layer which is great, but sometimes you can't get what you want done that way so you make a "temp layer". You get the right opacity or coloring then take an eraser and cut into it. After you're satisfied you merge everything down and can go back to painting on one layer again. It depends on the tools you're using, if you have a brush that's loaded with paint and smudges with lighter pressure then you can get hard and soft edges with the same tool. What software are you using?

Here's that "temp layer" idea.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/brush-control-pt-1

Some other ideas for harder edges could be use of the lasso tool, pen tool for selection, a mask, clipping mask, or locking transparency.

>>3410136
>Porko's
lol

>he makes a point to state that you should be using as few lines as possible, and make those lines as long as possible - and to limit those lines to exclusively C, S, and I shapes.
He's saying this to make it easier to learn however I do feel this is too constraining and makes people miss the point. Try to keep the C and S curves in mind but sometimes the right curve is too complex for that, a B curve, or some compound curve where sticking to CSI would make your sketch too choppy.

>Is there a definitive better way to go about this for beginners?
(Un)fortunately not. Draw more, find what you like, what works for you. Experiment with different types, to some people gesture drawing looks like scribbling as it captures the essence of all the lines you see in the figure as it is DOING something.

I find the CSI method to be too limiting. In the Hampton page here >>3409438, follow the directions of not using lines as it turns your drawing more into stiff stick figures than gesture. Short strokes are fine, Proko is trying to prevent chicken scratch. His video is aimed at instructing beginners who lack experience. You can draw loose and scratchy lines, it's important that you know how to draw confident lines as well so throw some of those in over your sketch at the end while using lighter lines to feel out the form.

>How do you win in this situation?
Draw more.

>>3409438
I first heard about this as the "sausage method" of gesture
dunno if that helps

>>3410639
blow.

whenever i am using an object as a reference i muck up one of the proportions by accident and then the rest of the drawing ends up looking off because of it. what do? is doing more studies the only way to overcome this issue?

I'm trying out drawing clothes, and this tie and shirt collar are giving me a lot of trouble, any suggestions?

>>3410689
This is the version I got going on right now, I think it looks better, but the collar on the far side is bothering me where it meets the tie and the vest

>>3409091
I recently thought I had the same problem and I’m still trying to dig myself out of it. I say “thought” because, digging deeper, I realized that there were things I really wanted to draw but wasn’t confident enough in my skills to draw them. Being so critical of my art skills and dreading what was going to appear on the page made me unimaginative on a primal level, to the point I couldn’t think of anything new. Just the other day I drew some bullshit that I was actually proud of looking at, and all of a sudden I could entertain creative thoughts with respect because to me they had worth again. TLDR, it’s all a mind game. It’s different for everyone though, it could be your environment or your mental health as a whole, anything really. This is a good podcast that sums it up.

https://youtu.be/09egW3dPLEs

>>3409386
Translation of the other guy’s vague critique:
I’d recommend first starting out drawing through the forms, and really trying hard to grasp the 3 dimensionality of the human figure. If you ink something that doesn’t have strong construction to begin with, it will ultimately look flat. Part of the point of inking is to do it based on what the form demands in that context, which can be a daunting, abstract concept if you’re first learning how to draw. Hope that helps!

>>3410315
That's good anon. The learning fire has been lit. Now do as much as possible before you burn out.

>>3410493
Adjust your line thickness, it looks like her eyes are surrounded by thick black circles

>>3410617
Might be just me but some of the shadow on his cheek looks to similar to facial hair

>>3410064

this
>>3410066
don't make excuses, draw every day
do drawabox to get line control, do keys to drawing to get a basic grasp on the fundamentals

>>3410165
>>3410166
Your exercise drawings aren't meant to be pretty, they're meant to teach you something. Keep drawing.

>>3410280
Either the day you finalized it, or you could jot down both.

>>3410692
Her neck looks like a log.

>>3410595
thank you anon

>>3410745
how bout now?

>>3410689

Draw from life. Three hours drawing a model in a long pose taught me more about clothes drawing than every image of clothes I’d ever seen up till that point

Does the skill you acquire from studying Loomis effective when you want to draw a portrait of an actual human and copy it's likeness? Or is Loomis' more effective in helping you draw faces from imagination (with knowledge of the structure of the face, of course)

I know learning on anime is a no-no, but when I try and copy a still from real life, it's so complicated my brain has a real tough time breaking it down into shapes and lines. It's not so much that my hand is having a hard time producing what my mind is 'seeing' but that my mind is having a hard time forming an image from my eyes.

Can I use line art or cartoons to learn shape recognition? Is there an exercise for this specifically?

>>3410639
Or you can buy a kneaded eraser which doesn't leave bits, you can make it any shape you need and it lasts longer.

What am I doing wrong ?

Another dragon in the works.

>>3410907
I am studying from both Proko and Hampton at the time btw.

>>3410870
>my mind is having a hard time forming an image from my eyes.
Please do clarify.

>>3410907
youre not copying what youre seeing

>>3410914
I'll try my best.

So I can obviously see, but like, real life doesn't have outlines, so that's the first hurdle, trying to translate that visual information into a defined line.

The second hurdle is holding that line in my head. It's like my "mental eyeball" is really fuzzy and has a hard time focusing or visualizing what it needs to.

After this comes the fairly normal problem (from my understanding) of transferring that line from my head to the paper, but moreso than physical execution I feel my stumbling block is my inability to keep that line explicitly defined in my head.

This is way easier with simple cartoons with thick lines, especially in black and white.

Can an artist shut their eyes and "see" a defined shape fairly easily? Is there such a thing as "visualization training"?

>>3410776
I don't see why it wouldn't help with both?

>>3410870
Read keys

>>3410924
I see people do it with a grid instead of constructing around a sphere. Maybe it's easier to capture likeness with a grid or something.

>>3410925
Brb Barnes and Noble.

>>3410921
You're overthinking it.

god damnit. this background is going horribly wrong. i want the horizontal middle to be deep blue then transition to deep purple at the top but it just looks like a really dark shit color with blood mixed in it. is it salvagable or did i already fuck up?

>>3410962
doesnt matter. just finish it, learn from it, continue.

if its unsalvageable you wont be able to salvage it. if it is, you might. so try. :)

How does one stop doing chicken scratch lines? It shard to transition to digital since I'm used to doing that on paper. I've tried doing longer, curved strokes but it's not as accurate.

>>3410968
Literally just practice drawing lines.

>>3410921
edge detection or tracing to help you see the lines
if there are lines everywhere or the trace looks horrible, you picked a bad reference to copy

>>3410968
Use a large and transparent brush.

>>3410920
What am I doing then ? And how to improve ?

hi i am not so good but maybe not so bad

Hey there, /beg/!

I'm working on recreating this logo on the left from scratch for my computer illustration class, but I'm not entirely sure how to go about doing it. I've never really painted digitally before. Do you guys have any tips on what techniques you would use to go about doing this?

>>3410908
Why are you in /beg/?

>>3410614
the head is funny
a little anatomical help. Eyes are in the middle of the head

Is there a trick/tip to drawing small?

I'm trying to draw my hand, but I always end up drawing some lines too long so I just cave and draw it big.

>>3411104
Yes in the book
"drawing on the right side of the brain"
is an exercise for it

>>3410518
Thanks, I'll take your advice!

>>3410980
I did try that before, how does this look? Also the program I'm using is paint tool sai.

>HAHAHA! I skipped Loomis day to draw shitty porn instead. Take that, old man Loomis!

Do the shoulders look right to you, specifically the left one?

>>3411156
Depends on how your previous stuff looks? Did a larger brush reduce your urge to chicken scratch?
I'd personally pick a even larger brush, and the rest is just self control. When you've got your habit under control you can upgrade to a big boy brush.

>>3411170
She's very broad shouldered.

critique? i already wrote some down in pizza language

>>3411232
translation form >Pizza to >English
>"Shading done a bit like a dog's dick"
>"maybe a bit flat"
P.S da quanto disegni?

>>3411232
the left eye is way too big, and I think the perspective on both the eye's position is wrong, her hand is also too small.

>>3411003
>What am I doing then
Drawing what you think you see

>And how to improve
Measure the angles of the image with your measuring device before marking the page. You can also apply this when drawing in the negative space.

Measure proportions of each body part.

Bargue plates help teach you how to copy what you see.

I'm done with fundies killing my drive. I'm just gonna autistically draw what I want like FZD said and hope for the best after a couple of months.

why is this page a whore

>>3411236
i drew anime grills in high school but i started to do it seriously (i bought proko' course) in the last month

>>3411326
deceptively simple, dont stop to get those cartoon heads perfect

>>3409779 here.
I hope I'm doing these exercises right, didn't really understand much of the whole artist's handwriting stuff.
Did project A but skipped B..

>>3411373
I did enjoy doing projects C and E, pretty happy at how E turned out!

>>3411368
I'm trying, anon.
am I doing it right?

>>3411396
Do all 4, then then make 4 of your own creation.

>>3411232
>Reifag
lmao

>>3411400
I'm trying to make each one as perfect as I can before jumping to the other one
I'm going to make 4 of my own after I'm done with those

>>3411396
2nd and 3rd look good to me. i see improvement.

>>3411373
>>3411380
Nice Anon! Keep going, you're doing great

>>3411373
>didn't really understand much of the whole artist's handwriting stuff.
I didn't care for that section but keep pushing. It's more of a way to mentally separate the motions/thought process behind the lines you make for drawing and the lines you make for writing. The only times you should really hold a pencil how you do for writing is when you're doing fine detail work but that's not a hard and fast rule - it's fine to break it. Some of the methods to get you to hold with overhand approach are preparing you for working with traditional brushes. It's nice to be able to draw with overhand but you might want to practice with how you hold a digital stylus if you work with digital. I feel comfortable with each method and draw a little differently each way. I draw and hold my stylus with two fingers on top instead of one finger on top like I do when I'm writing, this allows me to hold the implement securely while using my elbow and shoulder to draw.

>>3411404
As long as you don't get too autistic about perfection.

This is how works sketching?
Technically the sketch are the blueprints of my drawing only a guide to know where the fucks goes everything, right?

>>3411431
Sure.

>>3411430
how does someone get too autistic when it comes to this?

i have been drawing for years, but i struggle to draw masculine figures.

>>3411436
Because you'd be grinding circles for the next 9 months if that was the case.

>>3411438
>i have been drawing for years

>>3410966
hes been doing the same thing (at the same level) for three years. there is not much hope anymore.

>>3411438
How about instead of drawing you read a book once in a while?
Just drawing clearly has had literally 0 effect.

>>3411438
can we see your past drawings?

Need advice

Any tips or critique ?

>>3411433
How many sketchs do I need to do before begin the line art?

am i misunderstanding the cigar box exercise in perspective made easy? he wants me to first draw a cigar box, then find the perspective lines?

is he assuming i have a cigar box in front of me? am i not meant to draw the perspective lines TO draw the cigar box?

>>3411484
Watch proko's nose and mouth videos. Yours are symbol drawings. Everything else looks nice though.

Been drawing anime girls in my entire life
How do I draw men?
Whats the difference between them?

Am I still symbol drawing ? I feel like I've improved a lot

>>3411527
How are you so good

>>3411538
I'm not I drew the drawing from >>3411484

I took the advice and actually looked at my example and did some effort to actually get the vorms and shadows right.

これは運命

>>3411527
you gotta zoom out and go fucking wild with the values. I used to draw like you 2 or 3 months ago, but then I began to focus much more on poses/portraits + really going for contrast. DON'T BE AFRAID TO HUGE HEAVY SHADOWS.

>>3411562
THANKS FOR THE TIP ANON ILL TRY IT OUT.

>>3411474
The contour lines on the armor are too consistent, it makes them look boring, use some lineweight and negative space to make it look more dynamic. Also keep working on your head construction.

>>3411527
If someone just says you're symbol drawing without pointing to a specific example, don't listen to him. If you're still worried, draw portraits where the faces are at unusual angles instead of just facing front.

how do i draw curves well when I'm drawing from reference? there was a turned ellipse shape that I was trying to draw (top of a pencil sharpener!) but I've been at it for half an hour and it's always off. I don't know how to progress in this area

>>3411527
You should block in the entire face first, don't fully finish one or two features before even starting the rest.

And draw the full face, I know it's harder but just drawing some features is a copout. Push out of your comfort zone. It does look nice tho

>>3411474
Not an anatomy expert, but the upper left might look more interesting if he were twisting his upper body into the swing.

>>3407930
Am I polishing a turd?

>>3411589
yes

>>3411589
ref

>>3411590
thanks!

>>3411589
No, you just got started. Finish it.

>>3411589
Draw it first, then try to render it.

Hey anons, I've started to go through the Betty Edwards book yesterday, here's my 1st take at the hand drawing exercise.
How did I do?

>>3411470
heres a more recent one.
hope it isnt shitty.

I can't unsee how he looks like Hitler with a normal mustache now.

>>3411589
why do you have 6 values that are almost indistinguishable. for her skin start with a simpler 3 tone shadow, mids, light and then work from there adding highlights last.

how would i go about improving at drawing curves from references? i have asked this before but i am not getting an answer ):>>3411578

>>3411697
Don't draw it with your wrist, rather lock your wrist and draw from either your elbow or your shoulder

Ghost the line, or essentially make the motion of the line you're trying to make above the canvas, then once you've practiced the curve put your pencil down on the canvas and execute the line you were ghosting

Don't be ashamed of you need to use a lighter value to make the initial stroke then slowly go over it with a darker value (or harder pressure) to refine it

Curves can be tough for some, but a good way to practice is to draw a curve then go over it repeatedly using the previously mentioned techniques. The idea is to build the muscle memory of making the stroke so that it becomes second nature to you.

Go on YouTube and watch Peter Han's dynamic sketching exercise. If you apply the exercises he teaches you in that video for a small amount of time each day you will see improvement to your line quality, I promise.

>>3411722
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>>3410412
Stop drawing anime

>>3410066
I have to agree with this a lot, drawing everyday has helped me improve greatly in the short time i've been drawing

But as a note i'd like to add,you should also look at resources available online, and find lessons into aspects you're struggling with.

>>3410460
Fair, but your right deltoid seems to be a bit wonky and the same with the obliques, it's clear you tried to add some definition into the right one though so you have the thought process correct. Those are the two areas I'd say (imo) are flawed and could do with work right now. All in all though, good work anon.

>>3410460
damn i wish i could draw like you.

is it normal to take about 30 minutes to make something like this? Hopefully the proportions aren't too wonky