/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Tried a value study, not sure if I'm doing it right. I stuck to three values(light, shadow, mid).

I need to practice features separately.

Failing always pisses me off and sends me back to the beginning.

Goddamn form, goddamn proportions, goddamn it I will keep doing this as many times as I have to too make this shit work!!

Will I be polishing a turd if I try to finish this? I want to add eyes, hair, and clothes, but I feel like a little something is off. Critique my colors, or anatomy, or edges, or even paint it over please? I'm thinking the major issue is either the lighting, lips, or nose, but I have a very untrained eye so I'd like someone who does have a trained eye to critique my work please.

So i believe I've asked this before but I don't remember it ever being answered:
Would it be "improper"(not sure if this is the term I'm looking for) to
a. Draw a fairly loose, messy sketch of something
and then
b.Trace over my loose sketch selectively, taking only the important lines and changing incorrect lines
?
I understand that you shouldn't take the "no rules just tools" too seriously, but I don't really see what's all that wrong with what I'm describing.

>>3383470
ayy lmao head

>>3383470
cranium is wayyy too high. and your values are getting muddy, so be careful.

Hey pixel art knight guy, kudos on posting it in the beginner thread instead of making a new one for it. I mean that.

oh jeez

Send help for hands

same guy from last thread, who's the best person to learn gesture from?

>>3383473
>>3383489

I pushed the values more and gave him cranium reduction surgery, any more problems?

>>3383471
That isn't "no rules just tools" at all, that's just a method of creating a piece. No rules just tools would be doing your loose sketch on top of your reference and then tracing your "sketch".

I need money and life, 18 yrs old girl in 12th grade and sucks at school, help me out.

>>3383521
nice work. as a beginner how you learn to draw book?

>>3383521
if youre cute i will teach you everything to draw/paint godly art

I used refs and used my crazy mind, lol. I like to look at a lot of people's artwork and I use to copy but then I just got tired and drew what I want.

I drew this today. I'm working on my coloring skills. I only use color pencils, regular graphite pencils, and sometimes pastels and paint

I'm average pretty, who cares. Depends on why you like, *wink wonk*.

I noticed that I like to draw demons, snakes, and weird creatures a lot. :'(

Nobody cares about my artwork after the first look. They praise and then continue. I love it. No sarcasm.

I'm currently working on my different angles and poses and gestures. I mostly draw in profile, 3/4 and front. I'm trying more body shot, less head shots.

Don't steal my artwork, people know my artwork.

>>3383537
>>3383533
>>3383521
so you learned this from drawing other work and copying then making it into your own work. thats rare. i was expecting some tips so i can follow but o well. The best thing you can do is this.

1. open tumblr, pixiv and draw fanart with some of your original work along with it.
>(fanart will get you followers)
2.keep drawing fanart and gift free art on drawthreads so people follow you here.
>people like zone/nitro/lemonfont ect ect did this and got popular cause of this.
3. announce you are taking commission.
> at this point start dropping fanart you don't like but don't drop it fully.
4.make a comic or do something that makes people eye your work.
>people like the creator of ava demon,eddworld,egoraptor,K6bd,zone tan ect ect did this
5.after this open patreon and start looking for people making games or who are looking for artist and make money.

any don't stop learning

>>3383551
All art is good which complies with either of the two following conditions: an original independent study of the specialties of Nature ; or an equally original expression of her grand unities, which are the highest sources of emotion. Under the former condition (a certain amount of artistic competence being assumed).

PFFFFTTT(that's the sound of my brain dying)

Uh now, ACTUALLY I have used refs. It'd take too long to explain what I've done because I've done too much. I would CONSIDER myself a beginner, lol. I mostly ketch every now and then, mostly when I'm supposed to be doing something important. I look at refs. When I was supposed to be studying for school, I draw and draw and draw and DrAw and DRRRRAWWaaawWWww.

I use to read a lot, studied art styles of the book cover designers and the illustrators. Harry Potter books had illustrations every chapter, looked at that. Online I went on Pinterest, looked up Drawing Tip, came out with repetitive shit so I just kinda gave up on searching "tutorials" for anything drawing related.

I suggest the tumblr Thundercluc (their #tutortuesday by Meg, she's awesome), also GrizandNorm (fucking famous), and uhMmmMmm a lot of tips tips tips.

THANKS FOR THAT I NEEDED THAT YOU MIGHT'VE SAVED MY LIFE.

So yeah Pinterest is cool for drawing stuff. Deviantart has too many mega-noobs who don't have a lot of growth or eyecandy artwork unless you're featured or have a lot of Watchers so yeah. I use to read a lot of webcomics. I basically went seen every art ref online, excluding eBooks. Searched for years. Mostly looked rather than draw. I think I have an artistic brain or something. Can remember art stuff but not Precalculus.

ANYwayS, yeah. For me, thinking about poetry and learning to write poetry, and listening to songs that made my heart beat faster and looking at nice artwork like (look up at angelarium artwork with Angel of Vengeance, Angel of Dust, Zodiac Gemini, it should be this guy with last name that starts with B or D or something).

I suggest don't search up "art refs", "drawing tips", and "art tutorials", none of that crap here. Search for specifics, like "feet refs", "coloring tips", "artists resources", and "hair refs".

I go on smackjeeves, tapios(comics) and think it was called Honeycomb or something, idek. But yeah.

Sorry for my crap illiterate writing, I'm using my old crusty, cracked phone cuz my parents wont let met use my other one after certain times *eyeroll*

Vernal Equinox

>>3383553
Spooky as fuck mate

>>3383598
Just wanna let you know that theres a limit to the amount of images and posts in each thread and it's annoying to make a new one so in the future when you have multiple drawings to share, please put them all into 1 or 2 images.

About your art, I like how bizarre and unique it is but I can see two problems that stick out like a sore thumb. You don't understand anatomy (or you're simplifying it incorrectly) and your line quality is low. To elaborate on my first point, you seem to know what is there to an extent. However, you also seem to demonstrate a lack of understanding of how the pieces fit together.

Using >>3383543 as an example, you know that dimples, jaws, jowls, and the cheekbones exist. You may not know exactly what their names are, but you know they're there. What's wrong here is that you placed them incorrectly, which makes it look like he is missing his bottom set of teeth. If his jawline was consistant with that of a lowered jaw, he didn't have dimples, a more open mouth, an a more squeezed together upper face (look at a picture of someone smiling), then the picture would look better.

On the topic of line quality, you seem to be chicken scratching on lines that you are not comfortable making instead of rotating the paper and drawing one or two smooth lines. You also seem to be reapeating lines in some places, which is fine for a loose sketch, but in the final linework you should be aiming for tight lines. Note that tight does not always mean accurate, but just crisp and clean.

This still life of this giant dog plush had been sitting unfinished for weeks. When I finally decided to set up the same pose again, I got too intimidated by the fur and decided to leave it unfinished.

At least I feel like I'm starting better at breaking down the forms of objects into basic shapes ;_;
The dog drawing is hard to see because I started drawing it with a hard charcoal pencil. The awful attempt at "rendering" fur is with willow charcoal.

Maybe I'll just do eggs and fruit and then tackle this again later.

>>3383588
Your art isn't that terrible but you sound like a really annoying person.

*ahem*

hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up newsprint* my name is GS95 but u can call me t3h DoG3 oF fUnD1eZ!!!!!!!! lol...as u can see im very studious!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet studious ppl like me ^^... im 23 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch vilppu w/ my girlfreind (im straight if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite figure drawing series!!! bcuz its SOOOO incomprehensible!!!! shes studious 2 of course but i want 2 meet more studious ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol...neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!!

FUNDIESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein studious again ^^ hehe...toodles!!!!!

loomis and bridgman,

* ~t3h DoG3 oF fUnD1eZ~*

tips for atelier style shading?
I use grease pencil and graphite but not sure how to use it effectively. These range 2-4 minutes.

>>3383509
the whole arm too short, both of em

>>3383657
start with something fur-less, like a rhino or a hippo, i find them easier to start with as animals because fur can overwhelm you initially.

>>3383676
Thanks DoG3 oF fUnD1eZ!!!!!!

What do you guys think b honest but if you say is bad i will kill you ok?

>>3383694
you're gonna make it!!

>>3383509
head is 2 beeg

3/4 view

weird lines

read figure drawin buk

>>3383470
cranium is way too high and lips are out of perspective. Try to learn constructing and study mouths. Nose is already so messy that I cant tell which plane is which.

You should practice in value and grey scale first.

I want to read James Gurney Color & Light and watch ctrlpaint videos to get better at digital rendering. Which one should I start with?

>>3383732
ctrlpaint, he starts from the bottom and takes you to the top.

>>3383516
The side of the head where the skull creates a shadow looks off

>>3383551
Is tumblr even a good place to head to? I was under the assumption that it turned like dA wherein it's now harder to get recognized, and people got used to just liking/faving an art then running away without any comments or interaction. I got this from discussions about popularity. Some people were also saying that twatter isn't really increasing their popularity, and that they get more followers on instagram (which is a shame because insta compresses and crops pictures).

I stalk rookies in the webcomic scene, mostly asian ones. From what I saw, many just jump to #4 of your list (make money doing that then offering commissions as sideline), but they make sure that they're on a host that'll give them the most attention for their market (webtoons, naver, etc). Tbh looking for a platform is so difficult

>>3383771
You'd fit right into the tumblr mold.

>>3383775
Judging on what?

>>3383551
You can skip the annoying part of doing fanarts and dealing with the inevitable "why do you not draw X anymore?" when you start outputting OG works, but you'll need eyecatching art and a market (like let's say a genre) you target. Why waste time and effort pandering to fanart people when you can start making your own shit that people of your own taste will flock to? Again, the importance of a good host is huge here.

>>3383776
tumblr is primarily female. if your art appeals to girls, it could work in your favor really well. i say this because i think your art isn't bad and I can see the appeal, but i hate your style and the things you draw.

t. straight white male

>>3383838
Oh shit, I'm sorry. I shouldve said I'm a different anon, not lavender.

>grill posts in thread
>doesn't even post diddys for reference

>>3383872
Post your work, the type of interaction you want with your audience, something you find really funny, and the kind of porn you like

Is gimp a good tool for digital paint?

>>3383521
>tumblr nose

>>3383988
Try out Krita. It is more painting oriented.

how do I get a girlfriend? I heard it was the only way to git gud

A low res study

Values study from reference.

I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

>>3383766
The jaw or cranium?

>>3384080
look at an actual ball pls

>>3383988
Krita or MyPaint is better gimp is like the autistic brother of foss drawing programs

>>3384086
Appealing. Draw more.

>>3383515
Vilppu

>>3384114
You accidentally added an extra letter in your statement.

>>3384001
>>3384098
Ok thanks, it is to follow the ctrpaint tutorials without photoshop.

Always kind liked drawing, never got serious about it.

>>3384162
cute, i don't know that you really even need to improve, your stuff won't get cuter.

How do i get gud?

>>3384165
Thank you so much anon!! <3 I’ve always been kinda insecure about my art so that means a lot

is it weird?

>>3383676
I was thinking about this too after seeing Lavender420.

>>3384174
The face and feet bugs me.

>>3384174
You need to pay much more attention to perspective. Overlaps, angles
Obviously to do that you need to know a bunch about anatomy too. It's hard to tell how much you know since you 'cleverly' covered a lot of things up. General proportions seem mostly right except for the massive head. Keep at it.

>>3384174
I'm only /beg/ myself, but the feet seem off. It's like if I look at the feet I think her legs are crossed, but when I look at her legs they aren't. I think it's because her left foot has a curve where I would expect it to be more straight and her right foot is straight where I would expect there to be a curve, along the side of the sole.

>>3384174
face looks out of perspective

>>3384130
What's wrong with it though?

First ever drawing on tablet, I was scared that it would be too alienating but it wasn't so bad!
Now I know I should study and learn traditionally but I plan on working mainly digitally in the future so I figured that I should start being familiar with digital now.

>>3384174
Noses work that when you see the character in front of you, the nose should have an actual shape there since it's practically on the side

>>3384174
Blog?

>>3384174
You've got a lot of good things going on here! But also a lot of awkward details. I did my best to point them out as clearly as possible here, but feel free to ask for clarification.

One thing I didn't cover that's very important for sitting/standing characters:
You want to make sure they're "grounded". As your girl sits now, I can't tell if her feet are floating or touching the floor. her center of balance is off- you'd need to lean forward more to sit this way and not fall backwards. And the clothing has no weight to it- they just float on her torso.

These are little things, but they can make or break a piece. Keep at it, and these things will come naturally as you progress.

Hey /beg/ I've been trying to do blind contour drawing but I can't seem to do it for longer than ten minutes, I run out of stuff to draw and the book I'm reading recommends anywhere from 30m to an hour, any tips for what im doing wrong?

>>3384174
You've got a lot of good things going on here! But also a lot of awkward details. I did my best to point them out as clearly as possible here, but feel free to ask for clarification.

One thing I didn't cover that's very important for sitting/standing characters:
You want to make sure they're "grounded". As your girl sits now, I can't tell if her feet are floating or touching the floor. her center of balance is off- you'd need to lean forward more to sit this way and not fall backwards. And the clothing has no weight to it- they just float on her torso.

These are little things, but they can make or break a piece. Keep at it, and these things will come naturally as you progress.

>>3384162
go to the draw thread

>>3384354
Not him, but what are some good places to find references? Or do you just Google them?

>>3384380
google and flickr

>>3384086
the face needs more work and the lighting could be more developed. other than that it's gud

I tried doing a 5-10 minute value study this morning before classes (top, it's just a screenshot) and just now after I got back home (bottom which I exported and resized). I really struggled with some parts. It seems like in my mind when I average out the values I tend to go a little darker than what's actually on the surface. How do some people capture all the different things going on in organic forms without painting all the details?

In the early one I don't think I touched the hard brush enough. I got more used to the hard brush and settings I liked in the later one today. A lot more practice to be done.

>>3384496
>How do some people capture all the different things going on in organic forms without painting all the details?
Meant to expand on this, the main struggle in the apple was how varied the values were for the bottom half of the apple. There are a lot of lighter specks and if you paint a medium between the two it looks really wrong.

>>3384496
I understand what you're trying to go for but I think it could be a little more sharper.

>>3384496
it's sort of a terrible reference for a beginner, reminds me of this, which is probably too much to think about when you just want to paint an apple, but useful none the less

Where do I go to learn broad strokes environments and values?

my first doodle on tablet

>>3384535
Thanks, I will try next time as that's usually a complaint I have of others. Can't really spend any more time on this but learned how not to mask and start out a painting for next time.

>>3384540
>it's sort of a terrible reference for a beginner
That's what I was thinking while I worked on it. I think next time I'll try something with nicer planes or something to construct.

Thinking about it now, I could have painted the reflections of a flash box, light stand, and white backdrop/table for the bottom one since that's probably what it's sitting on and worked my way back from there. I don't have a problem thinking about light that way or thinking physically, I was more trying to paint what I see but I don't know how to do that yet and picked something with too much texture.

>>3384354
I'm not sure it matters much in this instance but is it not bad practice to use an obese girl as a reference for a gook skellington?

>>3384605
just put it in plain english lol, there's no need to add superfluous stupidity just because this is 4chan.

>>3384569

high potential. keep it up.

>>3384624
thank u !

Is there any other skill I could be working on besides getting comfortable with my $100 Wacom? Does that skill translate at all into pencil and paper? I'm just doing Wacom for now because I have no money for any other tools.

If there any kind of a mental tip to get good at lining/inking in digital tablet after doing scribbles? I'm getting pretty comfortable doing scribbles and sketches but I'm terrified of inking anything.

>>3384669
>Does that skill translate at all into pencil and paper?
Not really. The ideas will transfer but not the mechanical skill. Even the cheapest paper and pen/pencil will improve your digital skills.

>>3384672
Then is there a way to transfer my pencil drawings onto digital? I'm thinking about taking a photo with my phone. I don't have the money or space for a scanner.

Is there any 3D software I could use to study the loomis head/body in 3D space?
I've tried sketchfab but it's not really good since you can't move the eye level

>>3384692
A tennis ball.

>>3383588
>t. t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

absolute state of roasties typing like this in the current year

>>3384703
I want to see through it

>>3384715
i don't know i like, it's like an ironic double front right? like 'i am pretending to be zany to cover for the fact that i am being zany'

>>3384614
The only two abnormal words in this sentence are "gook" and "skellington", the former of which is just a common racial slur, which I used to maybe hint at what would be a better reference. I don't see how you could have had trouble reading it based on just those two words, especially considering it's extremely easy to realize that "skellington" = skeleton, and that since it's being applied here to a person, it is probably meant to indicate that that person is very skinny.

>>3384721
Is that like when closeted faggots act too straight to be straight?

>>3384728
no it'd be like if closeted faggots acted really faggy so you thought they were just kidding around

>>3384722
i didn't have a hard time understanding it, i had a hard time with someone using the phrase 'gook skellington'

>>3384734
How, are you a faggot?

>>3384734
t. gook skellington

>>3384605
the reference is to get a better feel for how a person sits in this position. they might be different body types, but in this case, their center of gravity is the same. you won’t always be able to find the exact ref you need, so you learn to improvise.

>>3384736
because it's retarded, 2internet4me, like a fucking 12 year olds first youtube comment.

>>3383331
>http://drawabox.com
>Controversial
I've been wondering about this site. How is it controversial? So far this is the only resource (that's listed here) that's neither a book nor a group of videos.

>>3384741
Ironically it seems to be your first day on this website, language policing won't ever work here you absolute retard. Either get used to it or fuck off to your nearest hugbox.

>>3384139
Use Krita and read this guide which gives all the Krita equivalent functions to the Photoshop functions Matt uses in his ctrl paint videos.

http://captainmwai.tumblr.com/post/136022762106/ctrl-paint-companion-for-krita

I don't understand why my lines look so rough/bad even when I am directly copying something, do I just need to keep practising and practising or am I doing something wrong with my physical way im using my tablet or something. I don't really have a pressure sensitive tablet I just change line density as I go or go over areas again to get denser lines

>>3384717
An acryllic ball.

>>3384757

draw things with a lot of overlapping forms as practice. this will get you used to making lines. trees,roots, weird rock formation, weird plants etc...

don't rotate your canvas but you can flip now and then. This will train your lines, eyes and hand coordination and it's not as boring as copying one thing or just drawing lines on a blank canvas.

google for image ref or search on pinterest for some other people who have a collection of ref. Just set the search to board.

>>3384757
Another /beg/ but here are my two cents. I always ctrl-z my shaky lines away and keep repeating until I get a good one. You've constructed some of you lines from many strokes, aim to do each line with just one stroke or at least erase and redo any rough intersections. I've found that line quality does drastically improve with experience once you get more practise.

How to draw female faces and female shoulders?

I've pretty much only draw dudes my whole life, but I'm constantly sometimes just drawing skinny dudes every time I draw females.

I want to be able to draw healthy, fertile, women. I might be making the necks too large for females, too.

>>3384757
>HURR DURR LOOK AT ME DRAWING BIG BOOBIED SEX DOLLZ SO ORIJUNAL

>>3384782

ctrlz is bad habit. seal that shit.

>>3384829
Are you pretending to be retarded? It's not funny.

>>3384757
Your lines are bad because you're copying. You're not in the mindset of the original artist being able to freely make those strokes, you're only attempting to reach their result. How are your lines in your own drawings? If you're able to draw freely I wouldn't worry too much about it, try making lineart of your own drawings and see if you get a better result.

thoughts

>>3384354
Unironically blog?

>>3384894
It's pretty good. but the colour of the eyes and nose is sorta weird. But that may just be me

>>3383698
yeah. this has history behind it.

>>3384744
the person behind it sux and its a rip off of a popular and better drawing course
>>3384894
big cranium for me and small eyes that are way too far

>>3384165
are you joking? samefag lmao

>>3384692
right click moves the eye level
or just download it and put it into your software of choice

>dude like, fuck realistic proportions lmao
Why do people take Loomis seriously again?

I have some issues with the direction I'm taking with this. I'm going to work on the silk and the body's rendering in detail, but is there anything distracting about the values or color choices before I go ahead?

Should I clothe her?
Are the colors too saturated?
Should I rely on references for her hair since I can't think of a proper style to fit the head on my own?
Is there something more interesting I can do with the arms descending from the shadows?

>>3384354
Excellent criticisms and redline.
Five star post, Anon.

tried to draw phill fish in a few years. how i do

This is the Croquis cafe reference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm-TE41koKc

What am I doing wrong? I'm studying the Vilppu course from NMA but I still don't understand how to tackle figure. I'm also trying to not "copy" as he suggests

>>3385122
The 5 minute pose looks worse

I've fixed all of the major issues that I saw and read about and then also added some colors to make the painting more lively. Also pumped up the values. Is this too kitsch? More crits please I really want these to come out well.

>>3385124
Wouldn't hurt to push the values a bit more; making an overlayer atop the colors and values can be used to give the skin some more color to it if you are smart with the application and opacity.
Also, that neck looks very odd. You should make it shorter and have the back end of it meet with the base of the skull to make it look more anatomically sound.

Overall a good job, Anon.

>>3385141
TY!
The reason the neck is so long is because I am going to cover it up with a turtleneck or a high collar so the actual length doesn't matter. The back end meeting with the base of the skull would mean that it is thinner, right? I'll take that into consideration when I am doing my final passes and editing down the skull. I've already edited down the cheek and forehead between posts. I will also look into pushing the values more in my next piece (this is the first in a series of 9 portraits), but I am too scared to ruin this one because I am working on two layers lol (4 with palette and background). I know I should be working on more, but I always forget. I can see what you mean by having to give color to the skin, the purple highlights kind of remove color fromt he skin and the forehead looks like it has lost circulation.

Thanks again for the critique!

>>3385122
>What am I doing wrong?
What don't you like about these?

Not sure if this is the right place to ask.
I need some advice on this.

>>3385284
The abdomen is too long and lumbar is shattered.

>>3384757
You will get better lines and more line confidence with drawing a lot. I hope you aren't just studying anime thots all day though that isn't ideal for getting confidence with your lines.

>>3383543
Assuming this a recurring shitpost, but I'm new to /ic/ so I'll give the poster the benefit of the doubt.

>Your linework is pretty awful, it's pretty clear that you draw from the wrist even when wildly inappropriate (eg. the outline of his torso/shirt)
>The tongue has absolutely no sense of depth or presence, it looks like a leaf he's biting onto rather than an organic form protruding from his mouth
>The same goes for the ears, they look as if they're connected to the side of the jaw and facing the viewer rather than being connected near the temple and on the side of the head and facing slightly away from the viewer like most humanoids would look from that perspective
>the linework on the designs protruding from his arms is noticeably and appreciably shittier than nearly everything else, if you learned to draw from the shoulder than you would be able to freehand, for example, a triangle much, much better than you do here

>>3384797
get laid lmao

I want to crawl back into my comfy zone

>>3385306
no but I do like anime/game thots and there are many many examples to copy if I am trying to do lines like that

>>3385436
i like thots as well anon good choice

if one intends to paint, what level of detail is appropriate for the sketch/drawing?

>>3385284
Very good rendering of the skin. I'd also shorten the foot along with the abdomen.

>>3384898
plasticiv.com

>>3384894
colors are ass, brush strokes too

>>3385122
You're focusing on contour too much. You got to feel the flow of the pose.

>>3385122
Be more confident in your lines. Do more long "ICS" lines.

>>3385473
The appropriate amount.

>>3384086
nose is not red enough and she could still be a bit uglier. Make it chubbier. You fucking tumblr faggot

>>3385473
I'm >>3385124
When I made the original sketch, I placed the features, value pattern, and contour of the head. I'd assume it's the same for everything you want to paint.

Putting myself out here to force myslef to get shit done

>>3385586
It's hard to tell you did any planning.

is this bad

>>3385625
Should it be?

>>3385302
>>3385474

Should I give stomach folds?

>>3383329
recently started doing small sketches when I die in vidyas and while on the phone, but now I cant stop doing these over simplified faces. Like the cornors of the mouth, the nose and simple eyes. pretty sure drawing like these arent helping me improve desu.

>>3385679
>pretty sure drawing like these arent helping me improve desu.
Most likely.

At least do them as 3/4 head shots.

>>3385675
Save your current version and try out your idea.

>>3385536
>>3385532
What would be a good solution? To limit myself to a number of lines so I don't feel the urge to copy the contour? Vilppu seems to respect the contour most of the time using very few lines

I think my problem is that I still don't see the usefulness of gesture. My only other research on figure was Loomis' book and he seemed to be all about contour when it came from drawing from life

>>3385625
why lift when you got narrow shoulders and wide hips?

>>3384174
i think i fucked up maybe

Teach me

>>3385761
you avoided the advice of the vest and you've got some weird tangents going on with the collar/chin area

where do i go after keys to drawing?

>>3385761
no sense in trying to noodle at this point- you’d have to redraw a lot to fix the mistakes. either finish this piece and move on, or scrap it and move on.

you get better by drawing more, not noodling the same drawing for hours

>>3385761
she looks more relaxed now- just finish coloring her

>Be me
>try to art
>fail
what do?

>>3385866
If you fail try try try again.

>>3385866
Try again till you succeed.

>>3385866
Try with minor alterations so that you aren't insane.

>>3385853
vilppu, how to draw - scott robertson, hampton. throughout everything you need to always remember the fundamentals of proportion, perspective, gesture, form, value, composition, etc.

you specialize in what you want to learn, anatomy, architecture, figure drawing, animation, character design, portraits, landscapes, mechanical stuff, perspective, painting, rendering, the list goes on.

>>3385870
>>3385871
>>3385873
thank you

>>3384569
Is that Sakurai?

>>3385876
Show what you can draw. we'll give constructive criticism

>>3383329
made in ms paint

>>3385891
To blurry. are you doing >>3384540

>>3385866
“There is no failure except in no longer trying.” - Chris Bradford

>>3385284
Adjusted the abdomen and slight edit to the back.
Have not adjusted the feet yet though.
This much better?

>>3385901
I am not a competent draw fag, but it really looks like her pelvis is not attacked to stomach, especially her let part.

As someone with literally no expirence in art, would digital or traditional be easier to start with?

>>3385937
Traditional 100%.

>>3385607
Nice job man, Keys right?

>>3385901
no. draw through the entire body and you'll see how wrong it is. her legs are like a reference from below of a girl laying on a bed and the torso is berserk levels of ab packs.

>>3385947
Pen would be better to draw with than a wacom pen?

Trying color without any knowledge is scary desu, Back to grinding values

>>3385937
If you had any experience with photoshop or image editing you'll have less trouble but go traditionel kid

>>3385937
both. traditional for drawing (cheap pens, paper, pencil/charcoals) and digital for rendering. when you know you're into it then get some better traditional supplies. a watercolor set is a cheap thing to start with for painting if you are interest, or doing charcoal washes.

>>3385973

keys to drawing.

you're trying to invent a flying machine before figuring out how to move your leg and walk.

>>3385987
Heh that's exactly what it feels like, couldn't put it to words.
Don't worry I read and study everyday.

>>3385800
pls help, I upped the contrast a bit to make the colours better (ignore the background)

>>3385973
mate you got bigger problems to work out first

>>3385996
You don't say

>>3384048
If you can do this much, /beg/ might not be the right place for you.

>>3386042
This.

Most of you draw more clean than I ever could. Lowkey demotivated because even beginners seem to be better than me.

Can someone very simply explain to me how to find the midpoint.
This is not a joke, I'm really this much of a brainlet.

Really new to art and I'm trying to keyboard + mouse anime style art. If anyone has any critique or pointers on how to improve they'd be much appreciated.

how do learn body anatomy and proportions, and said anatomy from different angels ,_,

i've been copying a bunch of humyn poses shit off google, but thats the only thing i can do and it looks bad regardless

RIP DISCORD

>>3386065
don't do mouse just get a pen and paper

>>3385891
>>3385893
also done in ms paint

>>3386074
I have dysgraphia and really shaky hands in general, usually digital line and curve tools help me but I'll give it a shot tonight. Just assumed digital would be the way for me

Here's another practice in 1-point perspective. My line control is still shit, but I'm sure it will get better with time. Tried to add in cylanders and pyramids to mixed results, but I think I get the overall point of this perspective. Now to try 2-point in the same style.

>>3386085
Forgot pic.tiff

>>3386086
Resize your images.

>>3385973
The self cringe, looks like my first loomis heads when I had no idea the circle was supposed to be a "form" :(

>>3386056
Midpoint of what? explain
>>3386072
PME, Loomis, Hampton... Read some of the beginner books /ic/ always parrots on about. What you are asking for requires a long journey if you actually want it.

>>3385954
Thanks, its a Good book to start with right?

>>3385991
>>3386011
IF YOU ARE A /BEG/ WHO IS READING ANY ARTBOOK FOR THE PURPOSE OF LEARNING READ THIS
let this be a warning to /beg/s who read/go on their phone/browse /ic/ more than draw
>Don't worry I read and study everyday
no you don't because even if you only read and studied 2 days out of the week and drew every other day you would be doing better. you must mean that you're reading 2 hours and drawing for 5 minutes.
stop trying to draw from imagination before you even know what things look like. just because you know how a head is drawn doesn't mean you know how to draw a head.
learn how to draw in general (fundies except value, anatomy, and composition) before you learn how to paint (value and color).
now, for all of the studious /beg/s who read often:
fucking dont
i have read three books on drawing ever since i started 6-8 months ago. you do not need to read and study every day to be good. even an analytical person can stand to gain more from just drawing than reading. the one artbooks i have finished is how to draw and i am currently in the process of reading hoe to render. i also look at excerpts from loomis' drawing the head and hands. that's it. if you are reading and studying every day, you are doing it wrong.

JUST DRAW

>>3386101
post work

>>3386110
>>3385124
fuck off ill post the finished version when i finish it later today

>>3386089
Okay, will do in the future.

>>3386078

>ms paint

stop doing pointless shit and just download krita and draw.

>>3383329
How am i meant to apply fundies to my own work?
I can't seem to apply them to stuff from my imagination.Is it simply just a case of grinding a shit ton or am i doing something wrong.

>>3385888
One day i will

>>3385747
If you really watch vilppu he would always say to not copy the model but to feel the form. He's not copying the contours of the model. Think about the flow of the entire pose not the little bumps and curves of the body, Best way to get better at this is by trying to capture the pose in 5 lines.

>>3386115
>learn how to draw in general (fundies except value, anatomy, and composition) before you learn how to paint (value and color).
kek
Anyway I'm just fucking with you since your post on reading and studying seems to have some contradictions within itself. If you don't believe studies are a good way to learn the very things you recommend then I don't know what to tell you.
The information in the books is there to speed up the process and show things you would normally take much longer to realize. I wouldn't dismiss the usefulness of them at all (although I realize the effectiveness of the books varies from person to person).

>>3386131
I dont have a graphics tablet!!! I did these with my mouse. I would def use Krita if I had a graphics tablet though!!!!

>>3384080
What is the purpose of this study? Drawing random spheres and hoping you get better at something isn't really going to help you. Find a goal and reason for the study.

is this sort of a good starting point if I am looking to draw a face at an angle like this, I get very hung up on starting and spend ages redrawing construction circles etc

>>3386147
I'm not saying that doing studies are a bad way to learn. I'm saying that studying a book is a bad way to learn. I agree that books are very useful, I would not even understand form and perspective in drawing if not for How to Draw, but there are certain points in your progress in art in which no book will help you, even if it is THE best book ever to come out about whatever fundamental you are studying. People need to understand that book-reading should be less than a sixth of your time spent improving.
I think I confused you guys when I said studying because I meant studying books and not studying from life. I should have specified.

>>3385614
Here you go

>>3386149

find a cheap one or a second hand tablet.

>>3384932
>the person behind it sux and its a rip off of a popular and better drawing course
Do you know what course he copied? I wanna check out the original one.

>>3386101
or you could do both

>>3386215
dynamic sketching with peter han

>>3386225
>$699
I guess I'm better off reading the bootleg page then

>>3383351
You're complete shit. Quit.

>>3386243
cgpeers
>>3386251
crab

>>3386252
Snibbedy Snab.

>>3386176
finish it

>>3383351
start on a piece with less complexity and with more well-defined volumes

>>3386223
That's what I am doing. You don't have to forgo books, just stop giving them too much time.

>>3386274
Dude should fucking quit, he's trash.

This motherfucker rambled on for 25 pages about the impact of art on society and before he actually teaches me something he says "lol draw the figure, oh and do it from three angles"?

The fuck? I don't fucking know how. That's why I'm reading this book.

>>3386291
also note my trips that btfo loomis previously >>3384999

>>3386298
What are you rambling about?

>>3386291
if that diagram isn't enough for you perhaps art isn't your thing

>>3386301
loomis sucks cock

is using reference photos and copying it almost 1:1 cheating?

>>3386072
You to start with a brick to build the foundation for the city.

>>3386312
*You need to start

>>3386312
You need to start with a building plan you fucktard

>>3386319
IT SOUNDED COOL IN MY HEAD!

>>3386319
not if you're an average worker who doesn't know shit about structural engineering . leave the building plan to the professionals.

>>3386291
at least try it. i just started taking art seriously and loomis is something i am learning too. don't give up

What am I doing wrong and what am I doing right?

I drew this from photographic reference today. Yes, I know the right eye is a little off.

>>3386326
Why does 4chan always upload it rotated like this?

>>3385800
we're all going to make it, brah

>>3386326
in that uncanny valley

can someone please explain what's going on here? using our left-right orientation, it's clear that her left shoulder and right hip are the sides that are closer to us, so shouldn't the overlapping lines be the opposite of what he's drawn, since things closer to us are in front of things behind us?

>>3386334
for comparison

>>3386334
>can someone please explain what's going on here
Proko is being retarded as per usual

>>3386334
You are fucking stupid dude

>>3386291
try it but loomis really isn't for beginners. you'll want to come back after you get some knowledge in other places then you'll recognize how you can use loomis to learn, it's more reference than tutorial.

>>3386370
can you please enlighten me, this is breaking my brain

>>3383543
You're only 18 years old, give yourself credit. You have a distinct style but it'll take time and effort to develop. You're already way ahead of most artists your age if that gives you the confidence you need to improve
>>3385625
Your shading isn't too bad. The torso seems a bit short and some of the muscles along the ribcage seem shabby. The right shoulder is also out of proportion, but hey I'm just a shitter nitpicking a figure study
>>3384569
This is lit, I don't know why I like it so much but I do, just keep doing what you're doing fuck it
>>3385995
Hard-focus on proportions and anatomy and get out of your fucking comfort zone because you're clearly balls-deep in it
>>3386078
Please stop drawing in Paint
>>3386179
You should try LSD. You're drawing as if you're trying to impress someone who doesn't care, and this is evident not just in your responses but in your drawings as well. Draw for yourself and not other people

I think that how you critique is biased, and I promise I'm not saying this because I'm upset about at critique, its just that art comes in many different styles and types, and it seems like you're thinking that we're trying to achieve perfect anatomy and I'm not. I'm trying to have my own cartoon style, and even though I should've mentioned that before, you should've asked. Also, all my artwork is sketches, that's why I have a SKETCHbook, lol. Just seems like you're a little bit too criticizing. Especially for someone who is a beginner. And you obviously don't listen because I told you that I'm using a phone that doesn't work well so I can't post things right. But thank you for you critique. Btw, I accidentally had replied to one of your comments, that's why you thought I was talking to you when I said I needed help. I was talking to the general public.

And again, it might come off that I'm mad for what you said, but I just think that that's not how you critique someone, by basin them off one style of drawing. Sketching I'd about just letting yourself draw what you want and also practicing. I was letting my ideas out from head onto my sketchbook, not trying to perfect anatomy. My artwork can vary from semirealism to cartoon to just whatever. You should keep that in mind with other peoples artwork, ask them what they're looking for if they didn't tell, and also be more open-minded. That's one part of being a creative person, and it doesn't seem like you're that creative yourself if you think in one way. ;-)

>>3386425
If you're going to just get butthurt and defensive why did you come here?
>namefagging
oh, I see

Does no one listen on here?? I just said I wasn't upset. Just wondering why he/she was so focused on anatomy when I told them about my art style, how it was cartoonish and that it was also sketches. I asked for help on how to make money from my art and they gave me information about that. Then I gave them information about where I got my references from and how I improved my art style and then out of no where they just critiqued my art style, which isn't what I asked for, so please stop assuming. Smh.

>>3385973
>>3385991
>tfw

working through keys to drawing right now.
why does this book insist on drawing humans so much? I by far prefer the Feng Zhu approach.
so far all I've read in this book I already knew and was putting into practice (obviously not well) should I even bother with the next portrait lessons?

>>3386444
ffs is upside down sorry.

>>3386444
based retard

>>3386400
Am >>3386179. I want to ask how my drawing looks like I am trying to appeal to someone else. I like rendering so I rendered the shit out of this picture.

>>3386445
Stop symbol drawing and do the book. Once you finish it, try a different approach if you dont like the result. If you dont finish this one, you wont finish the next.

>>3386491
thats what I mean though. This book is forcing you to draw the human figure and at a beginner level is a waste of time, symbol drawing is almost inevitable. The earlier exercises were much more beneficial like when asked to draw a pepper from life.
>pic related

Kaz, I...

>>3386445
>>3386444
It's uncanny as fuck please keep practising. mainly the nose and shape of the face
>>3386520
It's good. but it's sorta messy.

>>3386520
...need to do more studies

>>3386654
...time to draw Kaz
>>3386648
Thanks!

>>3386670
Well this works as a good study of what NOT to do...
Had fun experimenting with shading on him. -too much fun.
Too many face lines too

>>3386702
Mmmmmetal Gearrrrr

>>3386702
still, way too messy and the amount folds on the face is way too much. where is that other ear???

>>3386702
>>3383331

>>3386267
>>3386176
well I did some more work on it, I know im trash any suggestions on proportions etc as I continue. I'm really just concered I take far too long to do anything, this stage right here probably took me almost 3 hours, lots of undoing and redoing sections. Plan to go over body again with thick pen when I get the sketch finished.

Outside the hair what are the biggest offenders for the likeliness being off?

Hello, /ic/! This is my first time posting on this board.
I finally gathered the courage to post here as I saw that this is an art community that actually gives others tips and criticisms to help those who want to strive to do better.
I've started drawing seriously since of late 2013 (and I was 13 years old at the time), but I didn't really study fundamentals or any sort. I took requests from others as I thought that would help my improve.
So this time, I'm planning to study them, but I don't know where to start.
I'm still having troubles drawing arms, hands, cloth foldings, etc. and my drawings always look stiff, although I'm trying to work on that.
I usally spend 6-8 hours on a drawing, but I repeat doing the same drawing whenever I feel unsatisfied with it, so that makes it 16-18 hours in total.
But even then, I sometimes lose my motivation to draw for having such an illness that makes it harder for me to move, that includes my arms and hand. I sometimes feel too depressed that I spend 3 weeks, or couple of months without drawing anything. Though, I'm trying to be more positive now despite that.
Anyways, as you can see here, here are my finished drawings as of 2018; I also do sketches and doodles but I rarely take pictures of them.

>>3386813
Whoops I noticed some grammatical mistakes but whatever

>>3386334
Are we allowed to post again?

>>3386821
i don't understand what you're trying to convey here

>>3386813
I like the marik, right most picture the hand looks out of place, arm is too long

>>3386812
left eye is too big, ear is too low, the chin is too far right, brim of the hat sticks out too far left

>>3386291
That page is total bullshit
Try another easier page

>>3386837
I simply boxified the ovoids to make it easier to see the orientation. Proko's bean matches the model.

>>3386812
does this help?

>>3386924
>>3386924

You could just get a program like Krita and stack them with transparency

Will holding an index card in my elbow pit and keeping my wrist straight teach me to draw with my shoulder? My arm gets tired if I keep it all in the air.
Also, how good do I have to be at copying before I start Loomis? How well can professional artists copy?

commando

>>3386922
oh, i get it now... god damn i'm fucking retarded

>>3386334
>using our left-right orientation
Fyi just use the real body part's position when talking about the model, so it's her right shoulder and left hip.
I find it easier to figure out the overlap if you think of a bacon strip running down the front.

This image is really fucking with me and I don't know why, and that's without trying to draw it. Does anyone else get the feeling that there's something weird about It? I can't place my finger on it

>>3386949
Yes, that ass is hypnotic

a-at least i got the hand right

>>3386949
She doesn't have the typical perfectly sloping curves you often see in nude female photography. Her ass is relatively small for her hips, which are wide and start high enough that it gives the impression that her lower body is almost disconnected from her torso. Draw it anyway.

>>3386943
This is harder than I thought

>>3385800
needs more BLOAT

>>3383329
i need help. i want to draw but am confused at what to start with and wanted to ask you guys before i go to the sticky since i think asking you helps more.

is The Natural Way to Draw: A Working Plan for Art Study a good book and will it teach me to draw stuff in my head or should i stick the keys to drawing and what does these book teach you?

what books and stuff should i get and what should i be studying first?


is copying pictures helpful.

any tips?

>>3386987
are you stupid or something? obviously read the sticky first.
there is even a post in this very thread that tells you what to look at right here >>3386312 stop being a lazy retard and draw

>>3387002
like i said on the post i will go to the sticky i just feel like i need actual human advice

>>3386987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU
The video is long but its very insightful.

givin up

>>3387020
i like it

>>3387022
thanks friend

>>3387020
looks better then 999999999.9 percent of the things i draw. whats your secret

>>3387028
got kicked out of /drawgen/ desu. squint a lot and see shapes and value and disregard what you think is a color. this was ~30 min in, the one i posted
>>3387020
maybe an hour and a half of work later? breaks help too.

Are there any good tutorials on shading or values? I have no idea how to draw stuff that isn't a line.

>>3386987
Ignore the anon calling you stupid, he's a moron.

I preferred Keys, the author seemed a little more passionate about the craft, but both are good /beg/ books. Nikolaides doesn't tell you anything about the quality of line, so afterwards you should supplement it with either Drawabox, a bit of Loomis, Mattesi's Force or any approach that doesn't scribble mindlessly - you could pick up some bad habbits that way.

Copying pictures IS helpful, but don't just copy the marks - if the picture is there, it's to illustrate a point. Be a detective, try to see what it is trying to communicate and capture that.

>>3386334
>>3386821
pic related

There was a thread where anon asked for a pic of a smiling dog, but I forgot to post this

>>3387104
>>3387104
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>>3387104
>>3387104
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>>3387104
>>3387104
>>3387104

>>3386947
thansk for the advice, this image is helpful