/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3373212
This is kinda old news at this point but I ran into an interesting find.
https://twitter.com/jacknjellify/status/978841992028241920

which would improve you the most as an artist, after doing it, with all other things being equal (such as what you draw):
>1 week of 6hrs per day
>2 weeks of 3hrs per day

>>3379370
2 weeks, assuming it's proper engaging practice you should naturally be thinking about it other times of the day too

>>3379237
>i still can't figure how to draw ear on head without ref

>>3379447
Just make a shape that could be mistaken for an ear.

For rendering, is it better to use layer styles or to manually blend everything? Are layer styles a crutch? One layer or multiple layers? A little of each?
I don't particularly care how hard it is to do, I want to approach it the way that will best help me understand light+color.

>>3379458
it doesn't matter a huge amount really, in the end you're still using the same skills. probably do a little of each just so you know how to use both methods.

is there an alternative to keys to drawing & right side of the brain for a complete scrub?

>>3379528
the natural way to draw by kimon nicolaides

How do I make the sides of an object mirrored? My drawings are always lopsided. Copying something backwards is so hard for me.

>>3379545
Post your lopsided drawing.

>>3379537
thank you!

What /co/ doesnt want to you to know

>Contemplate your finished drawings. Define the faults. Dont fix them. Make the faults into your style or hide them behind the smart use of photoshop filters and transparencies. It will give personality to your work.

>Refrain from reading Loomis, its a waste of time, there are much better and faster youtube tutorials

>Accept the use of modern tools to maximize your time and achieve better results. Tools are just tools. 3d models, photobashing, everything is valid if the end result is better. And trust me, it will

>Biggest /co/ meme is not to develop your own style fast. No one gives a fuck if you can render like a photo camera. Develop your style with your quirks ASAP and never care about whats right or wrong. Its ART. EVERYTHING IS RIGHT.

>>3379603
That's pure cancer, all of it

>>3379603
>Its ART. EVERYTHING IS RIGHT

Spoken like a true merchant.

>>3379603
damn nice advice, post your work so we can see how it's worked for you

Still trying to construct a damn road in one point perspective with a sidewalk and power lines. I keep making progress but it’s tedious. Will drawing perspective lines eventually become second nature and maybe I could just eyeball them after enough practice?

>>3379754
Yup. Don't count on it for a while tho.

>>3379759
Yea, I was thinking it’d be something like that. Just gotta keep investing that sweat equity!

>>3379754
I'm assuming you haven't gotten to this part of PME

>>3379237
Critiques welcomed

How long before i'm able to draw something I don't eventually have to just rip up?

>>3379778
I haven’t, but if you look at the base of the poles I’m using that technique there. I used the same one for the road marks. Any tips on using that to get the most out of it?

Any tips for transitioning from paper to digital drawing?

If feels like my sense of space is all off and my lines are shaky when I use a tablet.

>>3379802
5 years for your stuff to be passable, and thats assuming you draw everyday for 8 hours.

>>3379804
Space the poles out more so things don't get too cramped.

Also try drawing 1 pt perspective where the road ends before it disappears into the horizon, either via a hill or a building, since there really isn't a true scenario where you'll draw a road completely disappearing unhindered by anything.

I'm back from the last thread, still workin on those hands. My anatomy book should get here tomorrow, but do you think these are looking ... better than bottom ring?

Oh also of a few tutorials I watched, it mentioned doing some exaggeration to help teach yourself form better. (Skinner fingers, really spaced out, etc.) That's why a few of these look disproportional. That and i'm new.

>>3379884
I’ll see what I can do. Thank you.

>>3379802
It really depends on how often you draw. If you put in multiple hours daily you will progress quicker, if you're taking breaks constantly you will experience a lot more progress loss.
>>3379852
ignore this guy he's memeing you

>>3379897
Most of the fingers look too short, I can't tell if you were drawing them at an angle though.

>>3379800
Nice bodies, creepy faces.

doodled this, thoughts?

>>3379945
Got a blog?

>>3379603
What does this have to do with /co/, that's a faggy board

What's shit /beg/ ?
I tried imagination recently and there's always something odd with the face.

>>3379997
Shit forgot pic

>>3379941
Is it the bug eyes?

I had a lot of trouble stylizing them because I lost my precious mechanical pencil so now my lines are thicc

>>3379802
Use the forbidden shortcuts

>>3380042

>>3379946
deviantart
reply if you wish to get a link

You know I don't really see what help this place could really be. You post here and anons point out what's wrong with it, but it's not like the poster can't also see what's wrong with it, they most likely aren't actually visually impaired just because they're bad at drawing. I fail to see how pointing out things the poster already knew can actually help them

>>3380065
Link.

>draw one line
>it turns out kinda nice
>stop drawing because I know my next line will ruin it

>>3380071
https://vinceinovich.deviantart.com
Here you go, feel free to criticise heavily, i need it

>>3380074
dont fear erasing anon.

I've found myself falling in love with my messy strokes

have some inspiration

>>3380092

>>3380095

How do you learn things like making the angles you want and keeping things in proportion?

>>3380098
I look at photos

>>3380100
No, not what angles and proportions to make, but how to make the angles and proportions I want.

>>3380120
I look at photos

as in references

>>3380125
You still don't get it. If I copy a line drawing, how do I make sure I accurately copy the angles, line lengths and proportions of the original?

>>3380139
that's what betty edwards is for

>>3380143
no it isn't

>>3380151
yes it is, most of the book is about sighting

>>3380160
SIGHTING IS ABOUT WHAT LINES TO MAKE
I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE LINES I WANT TO MAKE

>>3380172
i'm struggling with this myself, I find myself using undo all the time.

I think it's just something that comes naturally with time...people say to drill lines but it's completely different doing those exercises and actually using proper lines in a real drawing.

>>3379999
The face is way to small for that head. It looks like you sort of crunched everything towards the middle.

>>3380139

most people just wing it. if you do it enough eventually you'll develop a feel for it.

it's one of the two. autistically measure or do a shit ton of practice. a combination of both is good too but I prefer just do it a lot until I get a feel for it. It works for me maybe not so much for others.

or trace. if you're talking about your own sketches for the purpose of refining it then just draw on top of a lightly drawn drawing or new layer with digital or with a lightbox or easy to see through papers.

>>3380069

how do we know YOU know about it if you don't say it? maybe next time you post list the things you've already know and maybe you'll get a much better crit focusing on how to fix and it'll make other anon that actually care to point out other mistakes that you might've missed.

>>3380080
>>3371719

>>3380069
If you knew what was wrong with it you wouldn't have fucked it up

>>3380139
This fucking guy again, unwilling to read Keys to Drawing because he needs to understand how to draw a line lol

Sketched up some memes
Sorry for shit quality

>>3380236

sometimes knowing doesn't mean you understand it.

happens a lot when you do a lot of youtube watching or book reading instead of drawing.

I know it looks really bad but could I get some advice improving the skeleton?

>>3380013
I think it's more the lack of an iris or pupil than anything.

>>3380238
I really fucking hate this guy

Is this drawing anatomically correct?Anything that i need to change?

>>3380322
Head is too small among other things

>>3380325
What other things?

>>3379945
It's pretty bad. Not seeing any fundamentals being used here.
>>3380322
Very difficult to make out any details.

How the fuck do I learn anatomy? Everytime I try to practice it I get shitty proportions and horrible drawings. Is there some kind of trick to it?

>>3380360
You slowly internalize proportions by drawing for months upon months upon months lad. You can probably reduce it to months upon months if you do focused studies.

That's the trick.

>>3380360
In all honesty, learning proportions is a matter of memorizing the relationships in the basic shapes of a human.

For example, if you simplify the torso, head, and hips into oval shapes and use the height of the head as the standard you should get proportions along the line of the torso being 1.5x as tall as the head, the hips being 1.0x as tall as the head etc... It varies by body types, it varies by gender. Ultimately you want to gather proportions for the cylinders that define the hands, the feet, the arms, legs. You might want to narrow down muscle groups by the proportions they take up in their respective body parts. The trick is understanding the basic shapes and learning to manipulate them to whatever angle you wish and ensuring they stay proportionally equivalent.

Anyone have that image that shows which books to read in order?

>>3380430
I'll do you one better!

>>3380440
Thank you friend, have an excellent night.

>>3380393
Is there a way to understand shapes? I've tried so hard but I think I'm so dumb I can't figure it out.

Going to be grinding Michael Hampton's figure drawing and Ernest Norling's Perspective made easy books everyday
post 2 months from now with results.

>>3380479
Draw cubes, ovoids, cylinders hundreds of times in various angles and perspectives.

>>3380496
pick up scott eaton anatomy as well. there's a lot of stuff that i feel hampton treats kinda wrong even if he is going for "basic" surface volumes.

I understand the concepts behind shading and lighting but I can't put them to use, not even with a reference.
With traditional art, I feel like my strokes are either too soft or too harsh and the drawing ends up looking all over the place.
In digital all I do is blend colors until it approaches what I feel should look ok, but it feels wrong.
Where do I learn how to shade with pencils, where do I learn how to use digital tools?
HELP ME
HELP ME MOMMY

Hey i'm just starting out, got to this point in loomis, and can't make out what his measurments are. Bought the kindle book to see if there was a higher resolution, and looked online a bit. If anyone has his measurments handy I would appreciate the share.

>>3380508
Will that actually help though? How do apply figures when it comes to drawing characters for example?

>>3379897
>>3379897
u watched sinix video i watched it too. Just look at ur own hands tho ull get good that way.

>>3380260
>>3379941
Better?

1/2

>>3380674
2/2
how are these? im still having trouble getting good colors

>>3380246
Skeleton?

>>3380523
http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Loomis is public domain.

>>3380340
What do you mean by fundamentals?

>>3380674
try doing a lighting sphere
learn the planes of the face
maybe try a few greyscale portraits with no pen pressure using just 3-4 values
and then the same but in color
also, edges

>>3380229
thanks, imma check that once home
>>3380340
could you be, you know, more precise pls

>>3379237
>my result drawing head with loomis method

>>3380939
>that anime feel
>it's actually from a drawing guidebook

>>3380976
What is this even supposed to demonstrate?

>>3380986
hairstyle ideas

>>3381003
Right.

>>3380610
progress

How is this? I worked pretty hard on the hand c:

>>3381034
Pretty competent

feels like my brain is just not made for drawing, i want to kill myself every time i do this

>>3381096

Did a few more hands this morning. I'm liking the exaggerated looks, and I can see the improvement from a few days ago.

Constructive Anatomy gets here today though. :D

>>3381102
This doesn't work

>>3381116
try to keep realism the main focus for studying hands though

>>3381130
Roger Wilco

How do I get proportions right on a large drawings (A3 is where problems start)? It's not like I don't measure them, it's just really hard to do when you can't see your drawing as a whole due to it's size.

>>3380840
>>3380934
Could you maybe, you know, read the sticky? Understanding of forms, anatomy, perspective.

>>3380238
Maybe because Keys to Drawing isn't about how to draw lines and doesn't help if you can't. I'm sorry if I'm too much of a beginner for your advanced artistic mind to comprehend.

Here is my large attempt at drawing in perspective. Obviously there are mistakes where I tried to not use a straight edge. (The middle lines). And my pencil control is terrible because I think I use too much wrist/forearm when I'm drawing small lines. One day at a time, though I'm really only sharing it just to uncomfortably put myself out there. That's how you get better, right? (Of course with the proper amount of self-recognition and practice.)

>>3381203
Oh please, do tell us what keys to drawing is about.

>>3381222
Keys to Drawing is about what lines to make. It doesn't help you with how to make the lines.

>>3381229
As in you don't know how pencils work?

>>3381237
It's bait

>>3381237
AS IN I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRAW, YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID.

>>3381238
It isn't.

>>3381256
>AS IN I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRAW

>>3381259
IF I HAVE A SIMPLE LINE DRAWING
AND WANT TO COPY IT
HOW DO I ACCURATELY DRAW THE CORRECT LINES

>>3381260
>Copying anime
You're already not making it.

>>3381263
THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHAT LINES I'M MAKING
IT'S ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THE LINES
WHAT I COPY IS IRRELEVENT

>>3381265
Chapter 3 of Keys to Drawing might be helpful. It deals with measurements which is what I think you're looking for.

Worked on this last week. I have started drawing more seriously since January. Any advice on what I can improve on?

>>3381265
Post this "simple line drawing" of irrelevant subject matter you're so keen on copying.

>>3381275
>Any advice on what I can improve on?
See this is hard! Is this what you wanted? Did you want realism? Or abstract?
Because it looks good but not as a realistic drawing.

>>3381275
Can't go wrong with learning some perspective.

>>3381297
It was supposed to be semi-realistic. I wanted to give it a slightly creepy vibe as well but the highlights in the eyes screwed it up.
Sorry I didn't specify!

A quick something I did in class. Any suggestions or crits for me to improve ?
Also I hate hands but I'm practicing them.

this is starting to get weird...

>>3381309
Are you only able to do straight on head shots of this face or what?

>>3381307
I love the lips they are really well made. Try to get a little line variation.

>>3381318
Heh. Guess I got used to draw her like this. But I just thought it looked good here.

>>3381309
>I hate hands but I'm practicing them.
i would try to draw them right the first time. stopping this habit of drawing them this way

>>3379237
Where is the titty monster?

NOOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING, I'M IN CHARGE HERE
Reference is >>3369668 Now obviously it's all wrong, but the worst offender to me is his left leg/Knee but I couldn't pin point what went wrong there. It ended up too far or high, how should have I done it?

>>3381096
>>3381102
>>3381121
I'm also at that stage. My 2nd attempt. Just need practice

I've been doodling in my notebooks while in class for a few years, and I've just discovered /ic/ and all of its great resources. I draw weird Shreks when I'm bored. I think my strokes last confidence, and I could probably use more practice with construction. Thoughts?

>>3381393
Lack confidence*

>>3381271
Chapter 3 is more focused on what proporitions to make, not how to make, as evidenced by Chapter 2 requiring the reader to copy a master's sketch.

>>3381277
It doesn't exist, because I don't care what the drawing is.

>>3381398
Oh, I stand corrected then. It's been a month or two since I've read it and then it was just a read-through.

>>3381398
So what exactly what it you wanted again?

>>3381389
Why would you ignore your construction by not connecting them at all in your third drawing?

>>3381406
I'm a scrub and comparing 1st and 3rd pic is not really that bad for a starter.

First pixel art

Please be honest with your feedback

>>3381355
Start using plumb lines everywhere. The angle of a line connecting both knees is way off for example.

>>3381405
The abillity to at least semi-accurately copy a line drawing. I feel that this is a necessary skill to learn before moving onto drawing from life and imagination.

>>3381421
>I feel that this is a necessary skill to learn
It's really not.

>>3379800
Sorta scratchy. good tough

>>3381418
Did you star with a sketch before drawing it out with pixels? It looks a little flat.

>>3381437
I didnt

>>3381418
It's good for your first-pixel art. But I do think you shouldn't make it symmetrical and double the pixels you're working with to add more detail.

>>3381443
Thanks for the advice

>>3381419
Damn alright Ill try next time

>>3381440
I've only tried my hand at pixel art once, and I used fire alpaca. It allows you to draw a sketch layer underneath the layer that you are going to draw your pixel art on. Making any finished art before drawing a preliminary sketch isn't a good practice. You'll be able to bang out pixel art without sketching first once you've gotten a lot more practice.

Also, you'll be able to capture depth a lot better if you block out the shading in the sketching phase.

Hope that helps!

>>3381426
Explain.

How do I start with pixel art? Will reading something for traditional drawing like Loomis carry over?

>>3381460
go to piskel and do things.

>>3381467
But how do I learn?

>>3381460
Pixel-art is sort of like inking/coloring, in that it comes after the sketching process. Learning the fundamentals of traditional art will give you a better base to polish with pixel art, so learning the two alongside one another would probably prove highly beneficial.

Loomis is very good for learning how to draw people. If you plan on making pixelated sprites for characters, I'd highly recommend Loomis for learning the fundamentals.

Is the Easy Poser app recommended by anybody here? I was thinking about getting the premium version.

>>3380243

well the faces are at least symmetrical
but everything else can be improved

>>3381504
No, even using Manga Studio 3d models for the poses is better
Use Design Doll instead

>>3381468
Practice.

>>3381533
And what else?

>>3381535
not him, but I found this useful
https://lospec.com/pixel-art-tutorials

>>3381533
yeah he knows better>>3381539

bump

>>3381406
not the dude who drew it, but what do you mean by this? feels like I'm missing something because I don't understand what you mean.

>>3381624
Basically, some details were lost from the cross to the second drawing to the third

>>3381421
What you're looking for doesn't exist, you learn that via trial and error, either start practicing or stop wasting your time

animeme

Never did any serious drawing before
Just started going through drawing on the right side of the brain, someone in one of these threads said to start there. Doing some of the first exercises. No matter what I'm doing I can't shake the feeling that I'm fucking up easy stuff. Is there a way to get over that?
I'll post my abortion of an attempt at pic related in a bit.

>>3381718
Good. Blog?

>>3381736
Still finishing it.
Shits fucked.

>>3381741

I've seen way worse. I'm a couple months in, and while I occasionally make stuff that almost looks acceptable, the feeling doesn't really go away.

I think it comes down to just thinking about lines, angles and shapes rather than whatever your trying to draw, at least for observational drawing. I can be drawing a hand and I don't actually "see" it as a hand until I'm completely finished. Until that point its just a bunch of lines and shapes that I'm trying to get the right proportions for. Once you get in that mindset, you won't be caught up in how it looks part way through and just start drawing.

My personal recommendation of a book to start with is Keys to Drawing though. I started with right side of the brain also, but its is a bit too pseudo psychological for me, and I was having trouble taking it seriously after a few chapters. It also takes a very long time to explain things that could really be summed up in a sentence or two, so it didn't end up teaching me a whole lot, although some of the early exercises are very good like this one.

>>3381749
Thanks anon. I'll take a look at that other book tonight.

>>3381739
I don't have one yet, just Twitter: https://twitter.com/Ryunocore

>>3381718
neck and breasts. other than that it's good

Never posted here before. Recently got a tablet and have been enjoying the options it's been giving me. Finally getting around to trying out shading.

Pasadena City College Hallway perspective exercise. thoughts?

>>3381816
very nice anon

how long did it take you?

>>3381824
It took me like 4-5 hours and lots of erasing lol

shitty attempt at a smug face, im using paint tool sai, when i'm doing coloring in my pencil lines become all white around the edges what do I do to avoid this?

Question about materials, does anyone have any recommendations for charcoal? Looking to buy off amazon, and wanted to know if there was a community consensus on best bang for your buck. The beginner pack of charcoal I got for the drawing class I took last year just isn't cutting it anymore.

>>3381849
you need to learn how to draw before coloring

>>3381849
Out of proportions

why am i so shit fellas?

>>3382066
I'm by no means an expert, but it comes across as if you're trying to draw symbols from imagination rather than seeing what is actually there, line by line. Maybe flip the canvas upside down and try again? You could probably benefit from turning off the part of you that's saying "I know how to draw an eye/a mouth/any detailt already" and just doing a shorthand instead of breaking down what's in front of you.

attempt at drawing her sitting

I... I can't tell if I'm getting worse or my standards are outpacing my skill. Least favorite so far and took twice as long as the others. Only two more fucking feet to go until I move onto hands.

>>3382136
why is her other leg missing

just a feet attached to her pelvis

also use a mechanical pencil if you are just doing line-art instead of shading

>>3381021
More progress

>>3381816
>somebody on 4chan goes to the same school as me
Now I'm nervous to post my artwork

>>3381816
>>3382215
Now kiss

>>3382147
Take your time. Bargue plates are especially time consuming, so don't be afraid to spend multiple days and even weeks on one.

>>3382149
Ty i'll buy it later, used that pic as ref

>>3380914
>learning rendering and color when your still symbol drawing faces

>>3382066
that's exactly why right side of the brain is essential befone loomis

>>3382205
i don't think in the last picture her belly is supposed to twist that much
same goes for the twist of the torso in the third one from left

>>3382294
no u

>>3382269
unironically post your work

>>3382331
you struggle to feel the 3d

read drawing with the right side of the brain

So I drew one of my favorite horror characters in a quick sketch because i'm still new to art but what I mainly needed to know, are the arms and hands right in reference to the pose i'm attempting? If not would anyone mind redlining?

>>3382334
where is the reference

>>3382334
Oh fucking christ, now that I look at it, that neck is super long...

>>3382333
Are you talking about the paintover?

>>3382337

>>3382339
I mean in general

your faces look flat

>>3382337
>>3382341
Sorry i'm like half asleep right now and stupid, I don't have a picture of it but it was supposed to be gripping a knife at a side angle.

>>3382343
do i really need to read all that shit? seems like i could just improve that by grinding studies and improving my values to define the forms plus learning the planes of the face better like the other anon said
>>3380914
i like that lighting sphere idea. and i probably should try a few more greyscales, just wanted to do try color again cause i did a few full color studies so i wanted to see if i pulled anything from them

>>3382365
>do i really need to read all that shit?
this is why your portraits look the same every time i see you post

>>3382365
>do i really need to read all that shit?
Are you a nigger or underage?

>>3382374
>this is why your portraits look the same every time i see you post
ur a liar. those are better than the ones i did 1.75 years ago. the reason i ask is someone told me to read keys to drawing (so that i would do that draw your own eyes exercise because it applied to a specific drawing i posted). then i did all the exercises and a bunch of people told me to skip the rest because its below my level. i dont want to bother with another book if thats going to happen again

>>3382376
sorry. i guess the best word to describe it would be 'immature'

>>3382378
>a bunch of people told me to skip the rest because its below my level
>i dont want to bother with another book if thats going to happen again

Wow you are so stupid you actually believed a begginer was over "begginer level" even tho everyone is screaming at you you are shit, you have bo grasp over fundies

everyone, look and laugh at the non-self aware retard

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3382379
No you are retard.

Plain and simple.

Grow a thicker skin instead of saying in every reply "NUUUUUUUUU IM BETERER THAN LAST TIME STOP TELLING ME I'M SHITT >.<"

>>3382381
because thats what happened. nowhere did i say i wasnt beginner or not shit. i posted a drawing. they said read keys (so that i would inevitably get to certain exercise). so i did the exercises, posted, and more than one anon said roughly"actually just stop, keys to drawing is below your skill level". then they had me post studies and told me theres a big disparity between what i can do from refs vs imaginative work and then there was a while where my construction for my imaginative faces were just aweful and looked retarded so i went back and studied and wow nobody is giving me shit about construction. then it was colors/symbol drawing and wow my colors improved and i did improve on a lot of stuff at symbol drawing.

youre the fucking retard bitch. literally half your shit is putting word in other peoples mouths and assuming other peoples viewpoints

>>3382393
No I'm not

You are just fucking stupid and refuse to go back to study fundies even though people are telling you you are shit, you are not over "begginer level". You took advice from some random anon but refuse to do the same with anons that are telling you you are not that good bacause your feefees are hurt and now you refuse to read a fucking book because you are a butthurt retard that assume you are actually too good for X or Y excercises.

You are obviously not and is hilarious how your bitch ass is very sensitive and can't get over the fact that you are not better than a begginer and you get butthurt over that fact.

1- Go finnish reading keys to drawing
2- Read drawing with the right side of the brain to grasp 3D spaces better
3- Read scott robertson how to draw ( https://mega.nz/#F!sSYAxKqb!f2gWy-eQZJNvRfiUTu1ASA ) or The ABC method by Dr. Wei Xu
( https://vk
.com/doc366484900_456042621?hash=ad63bdc11ad6a99cd9&dl=a48e5cc05c9e35d343 )

Now cry me some more you are not actually bad and everyone is wrong and "NUUUUUUUUU IM BETERER THAN LAST TIME STOP TELLING ME I'M SHITT >.<"

AAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAH

>>3382400
tldr

>>3382403
>Actually too lazy to even read a post

>>3382400
>1- Go finnish reading keys to drawing
>2- Read drawing with the right side of the brain to grasp 3D spaces better
>3- Read scott robertson how to draw ( https://mega.nz/#F!sSYAxKqb!f2gWy-eQZJNvRfiUTu1ASA ) or The ABC method by Dr. Wei Xu
>( https://vk
>.com/doc366484900_456042621?hash=ad63bdc11ad6a99cd9&dl=a48e5cc05c9e35d343 )
maybe i fucking will you stupid asshole. okay but its soo frustrating reading that i didn't improve at all. so fuck that

>>3382405

ur stallman reminds me of ur spiderman. still not gonna read your wank shit dawg

>>3382407
You both need to knock it the fuck off, honestly.

Instead of being butthurt and insulted, try to figure out if they're right. You would fail out of a program in an art school in the first critique with your attitude.

>>3382343
the paintover was done by another anon and it looks good, much better

>>3380914
Couple of things - and don't fly off in a tantrum, this is serious advice:

Stop using black for shadows. It looks awful. Skin rarely has black in it, especially caucasian skin. LOOK at skin, and the colors in it, the warms and the cools, and start painting with those. Black instantly flattens out anything, and you're in direct opposition to what you're trying to do here. Color, value, and shape are all visual clues to indicate to the viewer what they're looking at, and you're flattening out what is supposed to be a 3 dimensional object.

Second, stop painting on a black background. It's too contrasty for the subject, and overwhelms the eye, and blows out the contrasts overall for the image. Paint on a neutral background, either a color that becomes near a 50% grey when converted to B&W, or is actually 50% grey. 50% grey is the least influential on the eye. Pick a color that is slightly contrasted to the skin tones you'll be working with, and ties in with the cooler colors. Starting in the midtones lets you establish your white point and black points in your values within the subject, and then you can also work on your color values the same way.

Your actual subject is okay, it could use more refinement, especially with edges, and implied contour, like on the nose. This is basically an underpainting, work on it more to define the shape better. You're on the right track, but you're setting the same values for different planes of space on the figure, and you need to push it more - whiter whites, and darker shadows, to "pop" the face - the values of the nose and eye sockets will be different from the forehead and the jaw, when they occupy differing planes of space within the composition - it's subtle, but you need to work more on that. Overall the shape is fine, but it needs a lot more refinement, and proper use of color for skin. This is why I recommend DrawMixPaint - he's teaching oils, but he's also teaching how to see color.

>>3381952
>>3381952
fuck off the proportions are right copying a shit meme not a real person and answer my question

>>3382416
>You would fail out of a program in an art school in the first critique with your attitude.
you actually think id get accept or even go through the effort of applying in the first place?

>>3382428
>critiquing critiques
>the absolute state of /ic/
i didnt make that. someone else did a paint over of my shit up here >>3380674

>>3382431
>posts a picture on /ic/
>gets mad for people giving critique on said picture
Did you expect everyone to just ignore the image you posted? You're the one trying to get free advice here, if you don't like it then you should be the one to fuck off.
Yes it looks fucking awful and the advice they gave is correct.

Has anyone here worked through "The Natural Way to Draw"? Was thinking of picking up a copy.

>>3382475
Look at the pdf online
http://www.jessethompsonart.com/artpage/spring_draw_II_files/Nicolaides.pdf
Saved you some cash

>>3382205
more progress

>>3382490
Nice. But from the first picture to the second, the breasts don't drop they sorta go round.

how do i stop myself from getting burned/ out/depressed about my lack of progress

>>3382434
the critique is meant for you because it makes no sense for the paintover

>>3382500
draw something that you enjoy between grinding

>>3382492
well that doesn't sound too bad.
>>3382490
I think I'm finished

Any glaring mistakes?

I think most of them won't be spoten by the normies with untrained eye, which is what I want.

>>3382513
Looks very floaty, learn to ground your figures.
Not a fan of the face, and the ear looks like someone stuck a saucer to the side of her head

>>3382558
Basically you are telling me that I should redraw like 30% of the thing but fuck that m8

I'll call you a crab or something and call it a day

>>3382567
>Basically you are telling me that I should redraw like 30% of the thing but fuck that m8
Nah man, just keep it in mind for another time.

>>3382576
Shutup crab

Post your work so I can bully you

Am I doing this right?

>>3382504
how do i do that when i can only draw cubes and proko beans

>>3382580
Suit yourself.

>>3382591
How about you do more strips involving the fake idols you lazy gook hack

There is no one stopping you other than your twitter feed

>>3382583
It looks like you do. The movement is pretty visible. And the anatomy is fine. I like it, keep it up !

>>3382583
where did you learn you gesture like this
my gesture sucks shit

How do I learn to enjoy art again? It's been years since I've done it regularly. I want to escape the bucket but it's so discouraging when the effort and practise I put in seems to go nowhere.

Should I force myself? Take on a bigger challenge? Switch to painting or learn to use a tablet? Try something entirely new?

>>3382603
just have fun doodling and take a break

art is like masturbation, it will eventually come back and build up and you will have to make it go out

>>3382603
Take a break.

>>3382147

Now, I know what you're thinking. "Two feet in one day? The fucking madman, that's like 5 or 6 hours of feet. The guy must have some sort of fetish or something." I will neither confirm nor deny that.

But really, I'm starting to see the diminishing returns of drawing for this long in one day. While I didn't like the first one right after I finished it, looking at it now it might be my favorite so far. This one on the other hand is just kind of sucky. The proportions are worse, the shading is lazier, and it's just generally less precise.

I'm going to fucking sleep.

>>3382620

Forgot to post because I'm stupid and tired.

>>3382587
that's the biggest hurdle to overcome as a person who's never drawn

which I'm assuming you haven't, else you wouldn't have an issue getting into just drawing something.

anyway, just force yourself to draw things that inspire you? you must have some sort of goal

>>3382620
>2-3 hours per bargue plate

ISHYGDDT

>>3382650
copying plates for weeks like an autist seems dumb

might as well copy pixels at that point, doing the same shit

>>3382650

Wait, too long or not long enough? Because I just kind of go until I'm done. I lose track of time pretty quick, so I haven't done any exact measures of total time, but it's a couple hours a pop. I could have been low-balling a bit, but I don't think it would be too much longer than 3 hours, but these are still the early plates which are relatively simple. The time has been going up with complexity.

>>3382659
>Wait, too long or not long enough? Because I just kind of go until I'm done. I lose track of time pretty quick, so I haven't done any exact measures of total time, but it's a couple hours a pop. I could have been low-balling a bit, but I don't think it would be too much longer than 3 hours, but these are still the early plates which are relatively simple. The time has been going up with complexity.

I do like 20-30 minutes to sketch out the proportions and shadows. Another 20-30 minutes to smooth out sketch lines into curves. An hour or so drawing shadow shapes and shading, and maybe 30-minutes to an hour on half tones and cleanup. I don't even really know what I would spend more time doing.

New to /ic/, what is a "crab" and what are red lines?

The left knife was done yesterday, the right one now.

>>3379238
What's the recommended youtube channel to follow? As a noob I found Proko too unfocused. Is there a channel that goes like "1, 2, 3, 4 ... " Instead of "Lights, Faces, Pencils".

>>3382799
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

>>3382799
Red lines are the go to for drawing over someones line art with corrections* of what the op would draw.

*quality may vary

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>>3382832
post work

>>3382832
post gf

>>3382832
What did gs95 mean by this?

>>3382905
You shat all over the perspective. I am trying to not cymbal myself.

>>3382909
Get some simpler reference.

>>3382920

>>3382920
Last week I did portraits and nobody told me I should go for simpler reference.
I start doing things like this (imo simpler reference) and get told to do simpler reference. Ehhhh

>>3382928
>/ic/ is one person
Yea, you're gonna get people with different opinions on your skill level.

>>3382930
So many presumptions shattered.

>>3382933
It's better to use this board to find your flaws. Not for guidance in any way other than the incredibly general outline in the sticky

>When you have to do a still life with tons of square shapes

is there anything more mindnumbing? any little mistake is really obvious but it's also painfully simple in a shitty unpleasant kind of way that makes every part of it feel tedious

Would you guys say it's ok to use a posing tool to learn better anatomy like "designdoll", for example?
Or would that be considered cheating?

>>3382955
It helps, but using shortcuts early on will only hinder you in the long run. You're free to do whatever, though.

>>3381849
fix the right eye and the mouth.

>>3382909
I just practice copying with the right proportions.

Thoughts? I think it's ok-ish I guess.

>>3382976
line work is pretty bad, And homer needs to be more expressive.

The hand guy back again. Still workin those hands, day 6. Did the green this morning, and the blue and yellow yesterday.

I think green and blue look pretty descent, but blue has some issues.

I'd love some feedback though.

>>3382995
Green and yellow look normal I meant, blue is a bit fucked. My bad.

What can I do better?

>>3382995
>only 6 days and he can produce this
>2 weeks i produce this
alright time to quit art

Tip of the day:

It's not a badge of honor to be self-taught. It's just unfortunate and someone will eventually have to help you to unlearn all of the things you "taught" yourself.

>>3383000
comparing yourself to others is a sure way to NGMI

just go at your own pace and compare your present self to your past self. only fair thing to do

>>3383000
Oh, dude, don't get discouraged, I'm still shit in every other aspect. I've been solely focusing on hands ONLY. if I attempted to do anything else, it would be garbage.

Focusing solely on ONE thing is just the way I learn.

>>3380440
The right side of the brain is basically the same as The keys for drawing? i was told the former was better

>>3383037
i've heard they're both inferior compared to nicolaides' natural way to draw

>>3382996
Green looks fucked too. Yellow is allright. Have you tried to construct?

>>3383109
You mean starting with rudimentary shapes and building up the form? That kind of constrution? Yes, although I keep forgetting about it. Everything gets jumbled when trying it.

Still new, eager to learn so I end up rushing. lol Here's another I just did. I'm sure I'll hate hands by the end.

>>3382857
https://www.instagram.com/gs95draws/
https://gs95.tumblr.com/
been learning to draw since july. instagram is for what i think is cooler looking stuff and tumblr is for most of my sketches.

pls see attached image for my figures in july.

>>3383000
You're chances of making it are higher than his if you get your fundamental perspective and shapes down before you attempt complicated anatomy. Keep at it.

>>3383162
Start off with construction of simple shapes. Once you can make rectangles and circles you can combine them to construct the basis for a perfect hand. Then gesture draw the hand in a layer over the shapes. I guarantee you will be blown away by how good you can make it look from literally any angle you desire.

After you do that hundreds of times, eventually you won't even need the construction like Kim Jong Gi.

>>3383189
Roger roger!

>>3382949

it's tedious when you don't have technique and had to copy shit bit by bit.

who's the best person to learn gesture from?

>>3383189
Used construction on this one.

Was going for a superman-like flying gesture, but realized near the end it's a bit ... Nazi.

>>3383276
boye thats a small as fuck palm, fingers take slightly less than half of the hand, not 7/8ths of it

>>3383168
Good stuff and good progress

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>>3383333
Fuck off

>>3383526
No u