/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3375450
Why is this such a common thing
Is it really that tiring?

>>3375453
Not op. I don't know what his life is and I don't assume anything. I don't know what he is going through.

That being said, I work full time and found his post relatable as I have done the same thing. But, once I took the pressure off myself and made it a hobby, I found myself drawing more, and less stressfully. Putting the burden on myself that I'm either going to make it or not burned me out because I would get into my own head so much. I found I ended up prioritizing thinking about drawing than actually drawing, because everything revovled around the end goal and not the journey of getting there.

>>3375453
this probably sounds pretentious, but i think the brains of creative types struggle with this kind of lifestyle. theyre kinda hardwired to make shit and dont have the time to functioin. its crazy how much my mood improves on days that i get a decent amount of my own art time in.
>>3375463
ive tried this way of thinking for a while and ended up slacking off more than usual. i never got any major pieces done and i could see my fundamental skills fading away.
its also a very hard mindset to adopt with deadlines. i table at artists alleys and im desperately trying to push out some new merch.

>>3375453
Long hours of Mindless and repetitive work tends to be tiring, especially if you don't enjoy it. Which not only can it be physically exhausting but mentally too since it more than likely causes stress in one's life, and you have to find ways to keep yourself entertained too. And if you have a job dealing with clients then you'll probably be exhausted from having to deal with other people's shit. Even though the task at hand seems easy, they come with their complications. Then there's also the fact a person could have shitty coworkers or bosses.

>>3375463
what is your job like? is it grunt work? do you enjoy it?

>>3375463
this is tough when "making it" decides weather or not you work shitty jobs for the rest of your life and not the career you have in mind. if i knew now that i would never get the job i desire id off myself on the spot

>>3375450
I just use less money so I don't have to work as much. But I'm in a completely different situation so I don't know...

>>3375450
Get a different job. Even those who don't make it in the art industry often just use a basic job that they don't mind to fuel their art.

>>3375599
the job is pretty basic though. its a warehouse job that requires little to no thinking. just constant scanning and moving of boxes. thing is its the best paying job ive ever had but it still only brings in about $500 biweekly.

>>3375453
Yes. Its hard to work a normal job and then still try and be creative when you are mentally stressed out and your body just wants to sleep.
OP, I dont know for how long you had this job now but if you continue for a while perhaps you will get used to it. Find and keep your creative drive again and use it as a motivation to work. When you are used to your job it might get a little less stressing.

>>3375709
Ive been there for 6 months and i think i already got past that point. For a short period around january i was content and even got a small animation done, but it was mostly because i wasnt working the hours i am now.

>>3375450
same boat, right down to the warehouse job. quitting though bc my coworkers and managers are shit.

>>3375725
Hows the pay for you?

>>3375729
decent w/ great benefits, and it still isn't worth it to stay. it's taking a toll on my body, too.

>>3375450
>get fulltime job in warehouse to make money
>come home exhausted,
weak tbqh

>>3375450
I work in a used bookshop. I just setup my clipboard next to the CCTV monitors I can draw from life and maybe catch shoplifters.

>>3375760
Dreamy. I used to work at an art supply store. Similar situation. OP you need a better job. Honestly, people, if you can't manage anything better than a warehouse job, you might not be intelligent enough to make it as an artist.

>>3375767
If you were intelligent enough you wouldnt go into art.

>>3375753
it's not exhausting if all you do is scan shit but if you're throwing all day then it's exhausting even for the guys that have worked there for years

>>3375767
you must have a big IQ

>>3375767
>implying any of you are going to be even moderately successful
just accept you'll never make a living from art

>>3375771
Touche. But then imagine just how stupid you have to be to get stuck in a warehouse job *and* try to be an artist.

>>3375774
Yeah, but girls say it hurts them.

>>3375793
I dont think its stupid, its a person working hard.The problem is not getting lazy and letting it drain you. Although if I were in OPs shoes I would try to find some kind of other job, either reduce the time spend in the warehouse or something less straining.

>>3375774
>for you

>warehouse work is mindnumbing and exhausting
>retail is rage inducing and pays poorly
>too autistic to work in food
How do i get commissions lads?

>>3375450
you're not a comic book artist or illustrator, you're a hobbyist who does comics and illustration. If you were the former, someone would pay you for your illustrations and comics and you wouldn't have to work at a warehouse full time.

>>3376213
Furries.

>>3375450
When I had a physically intensive job I used to just come home and either zone out or sleep. When I got an office job the almost 2 hour commute used to tire me out, but I spent it drawing so I would get, at least 40 minutes of drawing time everday. Now that I live closer though I don't get to do that, but I do have more time to work on projects and I can stay up later w/o sacrificing getting to work as late as I used to .

>Firez has decent office job with good salary
>he draw ALL day on his job
>all my jobs are dead end slavery
This kind shit >>3375767
>>3375760 is survivorship bias. Tons of people tells cool stories about their "easy" jobs but holy shit where are they? It's like they exist for everyone in internet except me.

>>3376278
But i do get paid for my work from time to time. Just not enough to pay bills

Half tempted to quit my job, get some really nice portfolio pieces in, and apply to studio jobs. I have about 5k saved up and i can easily make that last until the end of the year. Should i do it boys? Do i enter caccoon mode?

>>3376845
Where do you find studio jobs?

>>3377076
http://homeiswheretheinternetis.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2017-12-31T16:36:00-08:00&max-results=1
have at it

>>3375753
this, except i got moved up to a position that requires me to be running back and forth lifting heavy shit or standing/squatting/crawling as fast as i can for 10 hours a day. i honestly dont know if my knees can take it.

>>3375450
dude live within your means and get a less difficult job like in sales

>>3377087
Thank you!

>>3377087

...Why is this behind a paywall?

>>3378073
You better pay up if you want to potentially earn money.

>>3378082
Admittedly, it was my fault; I didn't read through the previous posts, so I thought it was just a "my experience moving to LA" basic-bitch webcomic.

If it has industry knowledge, it's worth the $10.

>>3378073
>>3378091
You dont have to pay to see the links. Its blog post

i feel like the best thing you can do, especially if you with your parents still, is dedicate as much time to your craft as possible. you will never get a job in the field if you dont make work to show off. if your job hinders you, then leave when you have enough funds saved up. there will always be other jobs. the pay may vary, but mo money mo problems, ya know?

>>3375453
Steel worker here. Work long hours in front of machines and welding. Work six days a week. Income is damn good (skilled tradesman), but leaves no real free time to focus. Every half an hour somebody needs something on my one day off. Only real free time is at night after everyone goes to bed.

>>3375450
>>3376461
>>3375663

Night security. Get paid to sit and draw for 8 hours then go home and draw more. I get paid more than I did working in a fedex warehouse and that job was fucking brutal.

> work at a supermarket 9-10 hours a day early in the morning
> causes me to hate people
> annoyed and tired all the time
< upset that i never get any art done and feel like im wasting my life

I feel genuinely depressed, i want to scream at people most days

>>3379806
What about a supermarket makes you hate people? Already feel that way even without a supermarket.

>>3379806
have you tried getting a girlfriend?

>>3379175
Security is great as long as the place you're at isn't open to the public, mall cop is shit. Landscaping is also decent alternative, able to draw on your breaks, seeing and learning about various trees and plants, and can go on ei for the winter. I'd imagine tree planting is a decent job too.

>>3375450
I feel this
>full time as a preschool teacher
>try to utilize 2.5 hrs of nap time for sketching
>kids always wake up early and don't sleep
>too exhausted to draw at home

>>3375450
>full time job
>have free time on weekends and after work to draw
>always too tired or dealing with FUCKING headaches
I JUST WANT TO FUCKING DRAW FOR FUN WHY

>>3379873
>dealing with headaches
Just draw.

>>3379891
wow thanks anon, you totally cured me

>>3379873
I get those too man. Pretty sure its caffeine related. Its eaither deal with my daily headaches or fall asleep on the job

>>3379846
too bad you can't draw the children, children are so good as models, very expressive

>Extremely stressed out
>Thought I caught HIV 3 months ago
>Chronic diarrhea
>Work at shady place with chemicals and shit
>Just found out I have a hernia
>Health anxiety out the wazoo
>Trying to draw only brings about frustration that nothing looks like it did a mere 3 months ago

On the bright side, I have an appointment with a psyche in a few days, surgery for the hernia is scheduled, and I'm practicing more and more with mixed results. Keep on keepin' on anons. We'll make it even if it kills us while we're young.

>>3380005
I fucking hate children

Now this is a nice depressing thread

>>3375450
That's why I'm going into nursing, work 3-4 12 hour days out of the week, see people at their best and worst, and its good pay. I can't find a real reason to eventually go to a good art college after that, what would it offer?

>>3375450
>tfw art and financial stability can never coexist

I'm not going to pretend there's some grand secret that you somehow missed, anon, and that everybody else is in on it without you. That'd be disingenuous to you and anybody else paying attention in this thread.

It comes down to how you motivate yourself and how much you value your time and the things you produce. You like your job, you are proud of making quality product there at your place of employment? Unless you are actually a real professional artist (and thus your art *is* your job), chances are your art is going to suffer in exchange for your concentrating on your work.

Ask the guys over at /fit/. No, on second thought, maybe that's *not* a good idea. But I was going to say the same thing applies for getting and staying in shape. There's no magic way to strengthen and tone your body and get in all the cardio a healthy adult body needs while you simultaneously binge-watch all seven seasons of Game of Thrones. The two objectives are mutually exclusive.

Line up your priorities and knock them down - one at a time if you have to. If you feel you need to find a better job that allows you to mix the things you want to do in your life, make finding a better job one of those priorities.

>>3381186
this is why im aiming to be a board artist. at least id be making cartoons for a job. getting there is the hard part.

my parents hopefully understand that i need literally a time luxury and privilege and eventually become an artist but im not THAT sure if my parents are that good to me because is too good to be real

>fulltime job
>not having time
...there's a reason we call "fulltime", either save the lots of money and get to a half time, do some juggling act or find a way to actually get money from your art.

>Not living in an intentional community, having a 25 hour work week doing piss easy unskilled stuff with no boss and nobody even being able to tell if you're working at all

>Not eating all organic meals and having nice nature to walk around in and 0 responsibility

>Not spending your entire day jacking off, watching animu and not making art gains in spite of it all, affirming to yourself that you are in fact a lazy P.O.S that will invent excuses no matter how easy and free your life is and will not make it

shiggy doop


www.ic.org

It's almost like capatlism destories people's energy and creative power, and working 8 hours aday and having your pay check reduced with surplus vaule isn't good.

when i was 19 i got fired from a job. best thing to ever happen to me. i made comics weekly and got more done than i ever have. it was also the purest happiness i had felt in the last decade before that. wish it could have lasted longer

>>3382546
What alternative do we have?

Become a security guard, it's piss easy and 90% of the time you'll be sitting around doing literally nothing.

>>3376845
How the fuck can you make 5k last 263 days? The only possible way you can do that is if you have literally no bills (ie. you live with your parents or become homeless)

>>3380005
>drawing children while they sleep
I'm sure that would go over great with their parents lad

>>3379873

>FUCKING headaches

weed or cbd, you can eat cbd and it's legal to buy but its more effective if you vape it

>>3376845
not off 5k. You need to consider your monthly bills, food, water, transportation (gas), rent, emergency funds in case your house or you get fucked up, then Im sure that 5k will dwindle. This is of course assuming you dont want to be a starving artist... other than that if you have a shot, go all in. Make us all proud or dont, the CHOICE IS YOURS ;)

>>3382743
>right the da feels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlZ9kjCrGJw