/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Should I buy all of the tools in How To Draw by Scott Robertson?

A new day a new plate. Today's challenge is the infamous feet. I'm less happy with it than I was the ears, but I'm drawing this way bigger than I was so I'll let it slide. Shading gets pretty tedious when your filling most of the page. Getting accurate mid-tones is still a work in progress.

>>3372822
Scott Robertson is a meme. You're only hurting yourself in the long run by drawing autistic grids all day than drawing for real.

Does anyone has good arms muscles tutorial, with poses and visible muscles ? I'm trying to practice bodyparts and I want to do arms this week.

>>3372817
/ic/, please be honest. Am I gonna make it?

>>3372887
You're gonna get destroyed by your own insecurities.

>>3372887
Im sorry, but you couldnt even resize the image. Your only hope for a career is lost.

>>3372817
I want some harsh criticism on this.I know the hands are shite

>>3372906
All the angles and perspectives are wrong. Why is the leg on the left bigger and higher than the one on the right even though the one on the right is closer to the camera and its hip is raised? Rear arm isn't in perspective it's just shortened.
Look up 'foreshortening with the coil technique'

Thoughts?

>>3372892
>>3372894
Shit

perspectives made easy is proving difficult for me
this is after drawing boxes for two days

what am i doing wrong?

>>3372937
Im pretty much in the same boat as you but heres what i noticed. A lot of the details in the final image are not parallel which really breaks the effect i think. You considered the line going to the vanishing point but you need to be concerned with the parallel lines as well.

Charcoal study

>>3372887
if you have to ask, you already have a loser's mindset

reset or go find another hobby

What can I do if I'm tired of measuring? Value Studies? Does that work on paper and pencil?

>>3372913
the house and the lighthouse are more detailed than the background ,give it more contrast to give a sense of depth and more effort to the background next time.

>>3373038
Thanks for the tips!

I just did this yesterday, i has a little trouble with the head

>>3373052
the head is a little strange, but I really liked the hand

This is the first sketch I've actually tried a little on in years, so really I have no idea what I'm doing.

>>3372817
Quick scribble in MS paint

>>3372887
This image actually made me laugh Anon, keep practising. Do you have more work like this instagram or a blog?

This is my first thing after the extensive training of a few google searches and a wikihow article. I got no idea what to do with it now.
plz no bully

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>>3373215
i did all of these without a reference, should i be using one??

Drawing my first commission I planned my steps like

>bullet point ideas
>draw up some thumb nails off the ones they liked
>make a rough of the thumb they picked
>ask if they want anything changed
>finish the picture they like it

is this okay?

>>3373216
Yes.

>>3373178
No. I've been thinking of making one, though.

>>3373225
can you elaborate a little more?

>>3373232
No.

>>3373220
I'd say yes, with an added clause of keeping your commissioner updated daily if your project takes multiple days

>>3373233
ok :(

>>3372887
The rendering isn't that bad for /beg/ to be honest
>>3373177
what the fuck

>>3373216
They look good, but it just looks like you're reinforcing what you already know. Push your gesture and perspective I guess..

>>3373252
Good to know that they look nice! And I really should practice gesture and perspective, I’ve been avoiding it because I was afraid that I would screw it up. But I guess I can’t learn without making a few mistakes lol

>>3373251
do you know what the definition of render is

>>3373276
Durr

凄いな・・・。

>>3373292
何ですか

>>3373052
pretty nice, how long did you spend on this?

Do you guys too think it looks so stiff and lifeless?

Can someone help me find this book in the sticky?

I've sifted through the links for an hour and I came up empty hended. Does anyone remember at which link this book is available?

what's a good book for construction?

In May it'll be a year since I started drawing and I've gotten to a point where I'm actually "finishing" stuff.
Since all I've been studying has been anatomy and figure drawing, I don't fully understand values or light direction enough yet to implement into my work. Could someone please give me a bit of advise to this piece so that I could actually start that process?
Also, opinion of hatches?

AHHHHHHHH WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO NOW?

I have many video game magazines. Is it okay to try to copy the images in them instead from drawing from life? I don't have many things that I could draw in my house and I'm not going outside.

>>3373584
learn gesture drawing

>>3373612
well you drew a hand, drawing from life is training your eye and brain. just draw your own hand a bunch of times

>>3373103
It's so chicken scratchy jesus

>>3373210
What the fuck kind of cringy shit is this?

>>3373623
I just end up drawing stick figures or a tornado of lines.

Just wondering if the legs look alright in this pose? I can't really tell if they look stubby or not. I'm studying more dynamic poses so my drawings won't look so static and boring.

>>3373584
keys then bargue, seriously

>>3373212
This is so cute and it's nicely shaded. Unironically love it.

>>3373643
yeah, but is he floating or sitting on the ground?
feet dont work like that

>>3373584
>those forearms/lower legs
don't use your body as a model if you're hideously deformed, anon

>Try to sketch outline
>Can't get proportions right
What do

>>3373657
I'll be adding a background so he'll be more grounded in the drawing.That picture I posted is just a wip.

>>3373661
Spend more than 10 seconds on that next time, improvement guaranteed.

>>3373672
I've tried drawing it 6 times, but it keeps getting worse

Usually I take photos of my work from my phone and upload it. This time I scanned the image to get consistent lighting and ensure I minimize distortions from the viewing angle. Anyways, this is a figure I'm working on, I added a light dark as a placeholder for the moment. Anything glaringly wrong before I begin to finalize the shading.

Will post reference next

>>3373677
Reference from this thread
http://i.4cdn.org/ic/1521818257189.jpg

>>3373473
yes, but i also think it's lacking features to make it discernibly a whale.

it took me a very long time to understand what i was looking at. it kind of just looks like a pointy vagina.

>>3373700
I like the beetle, but remember that those white blotches are not the eyes!
>entomology student

>>3373708
I don't know ladybug anatomy but they weren't meant to be eyes, it's just shitty recreation.

>>3373700
Look at the pic in the first post of the thread (first post, not the OP). Draw what you see, not what your brain fills in.

>>3373724
Okay, and I don't think it's shitty btw

>>3373721
Looks like a dude.

>>3373721
looks like the youtube HQ shooter

>>3373813
How does it look?
Two are copies
The last one, I took the pose and try to figure it out the construction by my self fallowing the reference
My lines are not confident but the reason is because I’m attacking my weaknesses. Hands and feet. I have a better line work.

>>3373629
A request from /trash/

>>3373655
Aww thank you!! Also the creators of the show that the characters are in posted my picture on their kid friendly twitter. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw it on there.

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>>3373215
mfw these people call themselves "beginners" but it all looks pretty impressive, like only a few steps of tweaking away from passable pro work

I've been drawing since I was a kid and I still cant even draw a fucking person without it looking like a 12 year olds deviantart submission

>>3373829
Yo whut link me to it.

>>3373841
https://mobile.twitter.com/jacknjellify/status/978841992028241920
Neat right?

>>3373835
Maybe you need professional help, or you’re just seeing things that aren’t there.

Should I think while I draw or should I let it 'flow'?

so I finally did the Picasso drawing.

>>3373853
Let it flow in the beginning and once you have the general idea of your picture down then think about the errors and fix them. After that let it flow again and then finalize it.

>>3373857
Now ink it so I can see it.

>>3373845
"Passable pro work" doesnt mean it has to be the fucking Mona Lisa. Could be as small as a picture on a greeting card or a shitty startup company logo. If you think all those drawings I linked are somehow a steaming pile of shit your standards are ridiculously high

>>3373862
>your standards are ridiculously high
Welcome to /ic/

>>3373853
You're drawing pieces that have specific structures, you're better off thinking while drawing 'em. You should let it flow when drawing something more fluid in design, e.g water, clouds, etc

>>3373862
What? I wasn’t talking about the works you linked I was talking about your theoretical art. If teaching yourself isn’t working then maybe you need the help of a pro to guide you. Or maybe your art is good but you don’t think so.

After drawing some mouths I got bored and try this mine sketch of a master work

>>3373883
I can notice hand my arm shakes a little bit and also how it goes where I don’t want. The accuracy of my arm sometimes fails. Well... half of the time fails.

>>3372857
Bump

This is a sketch I made
from a Sargent painting.
I like it
Specially how the hands are so soft.

>>3373888
The drapery is awkward thou, I’m gonna try to fix this next sketch .

>>3373881
Oh my bad. I dont know any good artists but I'll keep a look out thanks anon

>>3373891
You’re welcome my dude!!

>>3373883
Thats pretty good anon! Keep up the good work.

>>3373624
Totally right, probably should’ve started in pencil then gone over in pen. Will keep this in mind.

>>3373903
Always start in pencil, i find it to be the most infuriating thing when you make a mistake but can’t correct it. Ink should make your sketch final.

>>3373677
Finished shading it

>>3373482
archive, artbook thread

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>>3373943
what the fuck is going on there, mate?

>>3373661
I'm still stuck on this, and it gets worse everytime I try to draw it. Should I throw in the towel?

>>3373748
>>3373779
What about now?

>>3373953
Yeah, you're getting frustrated mate, try and draw something a lot simpler or take a break and come back to it later.

>>3373953
look at something easy , try to copy an anime character instead of a real person , it could be a good start.

>>3373948
It's an illustraton of experiencing music deeply, I'd call it euphoria or elevation, see the body's elevating on the plates, black monoliths, as I figuered out lately, the body is kinda evaporating and shattering into pieces.

>>3373835
We've all been drawing since we were kids buddy, this isn't some kind of average times tables type shit we're trying to do.
We wanna get good, which is hard

how to colour lineart in clip studio without getting jaggies?

>>3373961
I'm a /beg/ faggot too but I think you could try making her features more round, changing proportions or both for a more female look.

>>3373994
>We've all been drawing since we were kids buddy
I didn't, I just started this year

>>3373335
Faggot.

How do I get good values?

>>3373643
It feels like you pushed his right leg a little too hard to the side.
His left foot should be foreshortened turned towards us, not turned downwards like that.
Looks like he's slightly leaning back on a sidewalk, in which case he'd probably need another hand supporting him further back. Not sure what the left hand is doing.

>>3373994
So you admit you are not a beginner?

>>3374029
This is the true state of the beginning.

>>3374072
Contrast. You need to determine what gets the lighter values and what gets the darker values and try and keep the shades in one spot from being present in the other.

>>3373994
>>3374029
Does drawing since kids mean drawing once or twice a year because I did that.
I only started drawing seriously 6 months ago.

>>3373835

I'm foot man, and I've only been drawing "seriously" for like 4 months? It's just a hobby for me, so like less than 10 hours a week or so, but at the end of the day I'm just drawing a pretty much 1:1 copy of a reference picture, which is like step 0 to drawing and not particularly impressive. If you want to git gud at that, I recommend working through Keys to Drawing followed by the Bargue Drawing Course. It's not like I have some super genetic talent for it. If you put in the work and apply that work efficiently, pretty much anyone can start seeing results.

>>3373643
Why in the world did you put those two exact same copy/pasted shoes in there? You probably already knew it wouldn't look right at all. Legs are the definition of flat, and I can tell without asking that you don't know how they work. That hand is fucking huge and you should stop hiding things you don't want to draw or you will never improve.

>>3374116
you should work on one thing at a time. rendering the earth is a big deal, rendering the satellite in space is also a lot of work. you can't do either of them now so break it down and specialize your studying before trying to tackle something so large.

>>3374012
I dunno. The first one looks too blobby, and the second too anime.

>>3374133
You're still able to tell that the original drawing is much more blocky than this reference picture, right? That's what is making it masculine.

>>3373580
The hatches look pretty good dude. Got any realistic drawings so we can gauge your skill level?

>>3373580
oh wow that's pretty gud anon!!

>>3373961
That is a masculine hairline.

>>3374143
Well, yes, but it's supposed to be stylized. And besides, I honestly think it looks too rounded already, especially compared to the previous work.
Also, it's not a reference, it's just something I found just now with similar angle. I didn't use a reference except for the right hand, tree leaves and top of the clothes.

>>3374205
>I didn't use a reference

there you go...

>>3374182
First realism piece I did back in February.

>>3374205
Alright. If you figure out a way to make her look like a woman with these conditions you set, I do honestly want to know what the missing feature was. Or if anyone else in the thread has an idea besides the ones already thrown.

>>3374074
I'm aware his feet seem really off, it's because I've been trying to draw shoes and currently I really need reference, so I'm stuck with whatever pose of the shoe I can find. This is the bg I gave it, just to try and make sense of the feet position.

>>3374235
Should've picked a different pose/reference then.

>>3374229
Still looks a bit cartoony desu.

>>3374239
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Oh well, let this be a lesson for me in the future.

Today's effort. Not entirely sure which direction to go. Still practicing gesture and proportion, then studying from images.

Is there some kind of thing or excercise or something I can use that will help me figure out what level I'm at? I'm definitely /beg/ but I don't think I'm quite as /beg/ as the "I never drew anything but stick figures my whole life and now I'm going to draw tier". There were a couple different phases of my life where I would draw quite a bit but obviously I was much more stubborn and also only in the company of people who couldn't draw for shit, but I still learned quite a few conventional ideas from these periods, and I can say fairly confidently I know what I'm doing much more than the newfag who posts heavily symbol drawn loomis heads that every /beg/ thread seems to get(to the point where I can't tell if it's just a bait at this point, it's actually shockingly punctual)

>>3374288
post work

>>3374288
Yeah, just pick a picture and draw it. Post it here with the picture. You'll get instant feedback on what your level is.

>>3374294
I'm gonna start something new and post that when it's done because I usually get to a point where I start making everything worse

>>3374294
Oh, and as stupid as I now realize I am, I don't really have any "work", I haven't drawn anything recently that was an attempt at finishing a piece, just various practice pieces. I also didn't mean to make my perception of being slightly better than shit the focus, Im really not, it was more if there was something you could do that highlight most of your weaknesses, which would probably be useful at any level, if it exists. I'm so sorry

>>3374288
>>3374294
>>3374297

>>3374310
what.
just post something.

>>3374313
/beg/ tier. Draw more.

>>3374313
I thought that brony killed himself already.

>>3374322
He's actually decent though.

>>3374323
I've only seen this shit, so maybe his recent stuff is a whole lot better.
https://imgur.com/a/cQZTD

>>3374313
Use references and try to make your lineart less shaky. Use a single stroke for each curve of the body and make it as clean as possible. Also, the neck is as wide as the body. Try making it thinner. Keep practicing, anon! You'll make it someday.

>>3374310
I would suggest a full body figure in a pose of your choice, from imagination if you're into that.

>>3374313
Seriously uncanny.

/ic/ can you help me with pic related? I'm trying this coloring technique, but I'm stuck on #4 (base colors with dull unsaturated shades of gray). What the hell did the artist do on #5-8? Did they just touch up the picture with colors using a new SCREEN layer?

Also, would you say coloring like this is optimal (using ONLY shades of gray as seen in #3) or would you rather still work with colors when shading?

Where can I find an image from a pro showing a reference and their gesture drawing of the reference? I need some kind of direct comparison between the gesture drawing and the actual image so I can see how real life is and isn't reflected in the gesture, but all I can find is gestures by themselves

>>3374360
Just look up Vilppu or Proko

>>3374319
That wasn't me this is unfair

>>3374362
It's a meme. just post something.

>>3374355
they made an english version of their tweets and i compiled this back then.

>>3374365
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

>>3374355
Post your result when done

gesture here?

>>3374372
sh-she's beautiful, anon... don't ever let anyone tell you differently...

>>3374372
Cute! Have anymore art?

>>3373835
low iq?
>>3374372
also obligatory fundies comment

>>3374373
I am redoing everything thanks to your english version of the tutorial (Thanks again!) So I dont know when I'll be finished, but pic related was my attempt.

As you can see, I made the biggest mistake of drowning everything in a sea of SCREEN layer. I thought that was how the artist did it. I also didn't catch that they made a LIGHT GRAY base. I think I should look deeper into this whole grayscale topic.

>>3374372
You need to work on the hair highlights, they stand out too much. Her hair is stiff, try to make it more fluid. The bows and her face is pretty stiff. I'd recommend adding more expression to her face, right now I can't tell what she's feeling. Try moving her eyebrows around, if you were trying to make her look happy give them more of a curve. You might also want to change the way you color her blush, it looks more like dirt than it does anything else. Otherwise, good work! It's definitely /beg/ tier, but with more practice you'll improve.

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>>3373215
your cartoony style has lots of charm to it but i recommend you draw more complex stuff because you clearly have the talent to do so.

>>3374391
It doesn't even look so bad here! I'm excited to see the new version, if the one you made a mistake on looks like this, then the one where you understood the tutorial should be pretty good.

>>3374398
thanks, but after seeing this >>3374375 >>3374377 >>3374387 right after my post, holy crap, I really need to start those grayscale tutorials as well. I used to shade my colors by just handpicking darker shades of the base color on the PT SAI colorwheel, so this grayscale thing is pretty new to me.

I'm sorry this isn't realism. I tried to mimic the style of FLCL but when I got to the hand and the body I just drew it the way I usually do. I'd thank you for some recommendations.

Someone said "learn how to draw" and someone else sent me here

I was really tired today, didn't want to draw any more feet and wasn't going to draw anything. So then I went and drew TWICE AS MANY FEET. Fuck you brain, you're not the boss of me.

>>3374420
Uuggghhhh THICC

Has anyone from here ever improved and graduated to a regular thread?

Feng-san told me to draw rocks so I'm drawing rocks.

>>3374433
Yes, I spent a couple years in /beg/ (granted I didn't constantly draw) and now I sit in /alt/.

>>3373612
draw references from google images and pinterest n stuff

How do I fix this?

>>3374474
You placed your lines down too hard. Start over.

>>3374474
his legs look broken

>>3374444
Can I see your work? I'm curious.

>>3374526
I'll try to dig something up back when I would post in /beg/

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>>3374444
Ya, same here - i got shooed out of /beg/ so now I just post in alt. Draw thread is too serious, and I really only want to draw/study animu and mechs.

To be honest, beg was much more productive, stick around as long as you can, /alt/ is cancer containment

I’m pretty sure pic related was my first post on in /beg/, I put all my tools and shit on display like a fucking turd and took an angled photo

Why does this look so bad? 1hr figure drawing study.
I find that with online photos with usually dramatic lighting, the values and lighting are easy to assign but IRL the values are so hard to determine. Also having a real hard time rendering forms in charcoal. Vine just s seems to whipe away and pencils I just don't understand how to blend well. Is there a tutorial that tells you which type of charcoal or pencil hardness to use in each value?

>>3374530
Well, I couldn't find my old sketches/sketchbook but I did find this pretty quickly searching the archives. This was around the summer of 2015, and I remember this one so clearly because I literally spent all day drawing it only to hate the resulting picture, but looking back it's not even that bad. I guess I expected more out of a drawing I put in at least 10 hours into.

Keep in mind I was definitely better at still lifes than anything else at the time. When I was grinding figures and whatnot during that year, my skill level was around... >>3374270 but slightly worse.


Bonus (note: the second response wasn't from me): >>/ic/thread/S2160976#p2165321

>>3374329
Ok lads, I'll admit it, not only did I overestimate my abilities, I overestimated them more than I think I ever have in my entire life. Not only am I not better than that loomis head drawing newfag, I'm actually worse. I really am sorry, I thought I could at least say I wasn't the lowest of the low, but I'm lower. Anyway this was something I drew before posting my question, which I knew was not presentable. After having an anxiety attack from failing at every attempt to draw something new however, I just decided to try and fix this one, which made it in many ways worse. It started off as an attempt to learn gesture(I'm only on the gesture part of hamptons book, I haven't gotten to anatomy and part of my frustration was that gesture didn't seem like a sensible beginning) but once that was borked I just began turd polishing for several hours. Here's the reference first

>>3374567
and here's my turd. As you can see I have an unprecedented eraser smudge problem, among many many other things

>>3374563
low contrast in values

>>3374530
Why do you only draw husky kemono boys?

Suggestions?

>>3374590
How is anyone supposed to have a suggestion for something so fucking abstract?

>>3373888
nice stuff man, keep going

>>3374587
I draw anime too but no one seems to care about them as much.

>>3374600
You're clearly better at the furry stuff. Guess that's your destiny.

>>3374569
Honestly, this is not terrible. You at least demonstrate OK contours and form as well as decent proportions. As a budding artist you really should focus on being able to copy from reference and focusing on proportions. a well rendered but poorly proportioned piece will still look like shit. I think you are on the right track here.

Only obvious issue here is the foot placement near her butt. A good thing for copying is to observe the negative space that forms a shape between her foot and her butt (her right foot). There isn't actually a space there.

Good job and keep plugging away. Also use better reference photos... stuff like this won't exaclty help you piece a leg to a hip and a hip to a torso, etc. be strategic about your studies.

also work on your lines. (this just goes for anyone really).

my 2 cents as a fellow /beg/

>>3374605
It's funny because I'd always hear one or the other. So far there hasn't been a consensus as to what I'm better with but I'll just keep doing me.

dyel

Working on this, any suggestions or critique?

what should I do next in order to render this in a somewhat realistic way

>>3374649
Ink it then shade.

>>3374615
Thanks. I actually drew this once before and it had better proportions iirc. The reason I think this one came less proportioned was because I tried to start with gesture, as that's what you're apparently supposed to learn before anatomy. My lines are something I can remember being bad at since kindergarten, and I also had to draw this with cheap mechanical pencils since that's all I have, and I'm also very bad at getting lines right on my first draw, I usually erase way too much(I even do this while writing, which makes it take way longer than it should). My erasing, smudging and other problems have made me wonder it would be wrong to just trace my own drawings after I've gotten to a point to give a cleaner slate, but that'd likely just be a crutch. As for the reference, part of it was because I wanted to learn weirder angles, and also I can't draw anything unless it has a big fat ass in it . That said, I'm guessing this doesn't change anything as far as where I should start? My only question then is should I really do gesture before anatomy?

>>3374239
this

also if you're really struggling, you could make him bare feat. more than enough refs for that.

very qt btw, matt from brockhampton?

sometimes i think i'm more in love with the idea of being good at drawing than actually drawing

it feels different when i'm playing something like fighting games where i can turn off my brain and still have good results, can't really do that with drawing

>>3374631
lol this is great. My only complaint is that the back arms look like they are shooting out. I realize that you haven't shaded it yet but would be a more interesting shape if you somehow got that mass of muscle connecting the 2 back arms somehow.

>>3374663
I believe it goes proportion/accuracy -> gesture -> anatomy

At the beginning, gesture and proportion should be practiced SEPARATELY. once you get better at both of them you can merge them.
anatomy comes into play when you draw from imagination and even then you will still have references to look at.

>>3374670
>sometimes i think i'm more in love with the idea of being good at drawing than actually drawing
Most people are.

>>3374670
>>3374677
I think a lot of people go through a disillusionment phase early on when they discover what creating art actually entails and it causes them to drop the idea.

>>3374680
That compression...

>>3374682
sorry
is this any better?

>>3374673
You mean like this..? I'm sorry, i sort of dont understand what youre trying to say S:

Any ink tutorials regarding line?
When I try to ink any of my drawings the result is atrocious.

I can't for the life of me figure out how the forearm works. Whether it's an arm bending or some foreshortening shit it always comes out wonky looking. Any tips?

>>3374689
i think he's saying you need to somehow convey that the back arms are attached somewhere instead of appearing out of thin air

i feel like a hella brainlet trying to go through most of Keys to Drawing

trying to do Project 2 - F which is drawing a vase of flowers and i feel like an idiot

Where can I get a copy of KTD in Europe?

>>3374703
Most forearms are thin at the wrist no matter how muscular the model/character because there is no muscle mass after about the midpoint of the forearm.

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>>3374791
OK that`s interesting!

>>3374088
Thanks man. I`ll try.

>>3374382
yes

>>3374791
Hey Anon, where is this from?

I'll say right now, I don't know perspective. I haven't really read about it or anything and just mainly go off what looks right. I do have a copy of Perspective Made Easy, but I've never read through it yet, although I plan to.
Anyway, my problem. I was memeing around last night and drew a couple of objects on a table (not referenced or anything, just making them up as I went along) so I used the end of the table as my horizon(?) line (that's the trapezium type shape on pic related, I promise it doesn't look that bad on the actual drawing). The other lines are the corner of the room (I haven't drawn them in yet on the paper), but the black and red shapes are where I plan on having a fire or something. All I want to know is, would it be shaped more like the black outline or the red outline that's around it? My original thought was that it would be the red, but I think that would make the perspective off on the table, or should the corner of the room be the vanishing point and I've fucked up everything before I even started?

Hey does anyone here use a Joycon for keyboard shortcuts when drawing? I'm having trouble getting mine to connect.

>>3374993
I got it nevermind
I had to uninstall what came with the bluetooth dongle

>>3374990
Read Perspective Made Easy.
Do yourself the favor, your question is so freaking basic + the whole room is fucked if the end of the table is your horizon.

>>3373177
Lurne hao 2 darw

>>3374561
did you only ever draw anime or did you study stuff like loomis?

one of my friends told me that the best way to break symbol drawing habits is to copy stuff, comics, anime w/e, is this true?

>>3375070
i'm trying

i'm trying

>>3375075
keep trying anon, i see some good potential there

>>3375070
yes start drawing what you see instead of drawing symbols of things you see

>>3375088
ha

I'm just starting out and going with learning to draw through construction, so is it still important to be able to "draw what you see" aka use books like Keys to Drawing and Drawing with the right side of the brain?

>>3374990
Your table literally can't be a horizon line if it looks like that. Read the book.

>>3374990

>>3375030
>>3375136
It's not really the horizon, I just used it as the horizon for what I was doing before I decided to extend it into a room. Truth is I'm probably using the completely wrong words. I do plan on reading it it's just that I started to fuck around with the pencil and paper beforehand and, just like Magnus Magnusson, I've started so I'll finish.
If I can get my scanner working, I'll post it for mockery when I've finished and you might be able to get a better idea of what I was going for. The table is obviously the focal point and the rest is just filler, but I'm too autistic to not do it (at least partly) correctly. I've obviously fucked up the objects on the table because of everything else (including my lack of ability) so I'll be expecting mockery for that too.

>>3375152
Thanks a lot senpai. Just as you posted I was looking for something similar to what I'm drawing and when I was putting the lines over it (the red ones you've put in, I don't know the name of them) I realised how much I had fucked those up too. Yours are much more like the ones on the actual photo, the one coming forwards from the corner of the room, than what I was envisioning.
I really need to read that fucking book.

Started Week 3 of Dynamic Sketching so here is a page of boxes both 1 and 2 point perspective and some shaded spheres as instructed.

Really hope I'm on the right track with this stuff

This is my first day at /ic/, I'm doing the sticky and watching the control+paint videos
I hope someday I can put my work here
see you(soon I hope)

I think the pose is pretty cool, also think the anatomy went better than before. still pretty beg tho

>>3375196
also this doesnt look right 2 me

>>3375069
Loomis is soooooo boring. I did it for like 3 days but it made me not want to draw so I determined that it’s better to study garbage then draw nothing. Just draw what you want, /ic/ preaches about what should be done, but nobody is forcing you to do anything.

I occasionally go to figure drawing classes on the weekends to supplement my bad habits.

>>3374561
no offense dawg but this is still pretty /beg/

>>3375223
I don't think you read the post.

>>3375226
oh, idk how i didnt read that part. sorry dawg x)

>>3375209

so all that is from what? youtube and learning from pictures?. whats have you been studying to get good in anime

I stopped drawing a while ago because as I started challenging myself more, I would fuck up my page by constantly erasing mistakes and it'd be left with a big black smudge of a page so I just quit.

Years later, I've started drawing digitally again and it's so much fun. Problem is, I have a wealth of traditional materials left over (pencils, sketchbooks, even Copics) and I miss traditional colouring, but this isn't really feasible from scratch with the amount of mistakes I make when drawing.

TL;DR: I make a mess of the page when drawing but I miss traditional drawing and don't want to be a digital-only artist. Any tips?

>>3375028
>those bars
it hurts to look at

>>3375190
Good luck anon! I'm rooting for you!

>>3375240
Master the art of drawing as lightly as feasible. Fill entire pages with your absolute lightest pressure. I had the same problem you did, and it wasn't until I filled out 2-3 pages of circles, cubes, and other shapes with my lightest pressure that I finally became conscious of when I'm drawing with too much pressure. Slowly I've made it possible to work towards nearly the end of my figure drawings with minimal residual graphite.

there was also an exercise on drawing with this low-pressure foundation and never erasing it.

I did the 1st lesson of DrawABox on paper. Should I learn the next lesson also on paper or is it okay to switch to digital?

>>3374387
>>3374377
>>3374375
crits pls

First I looked at a reference, drew without the reference, then fixed it, looking at the reference. Going to study more angles. This was just the beginning

How can I make this less stiff and a little more dynamic? Any and all other critiques welcome.

>>3375325
make it any other pose than a basic up-right standing one?

>>3374230
What about now?

How good is this figure I drew?

>>3375421
Atrocious

>>3375414
Still a dude.

>>3375325
>>3375381
Much better now I think :)

Thoughts?

>>3375111
lul

>>3375421
Are you a mexican child drawing for 2 dollars an hour?

>>3375447
pushed his right arm further back and brought his left arm forward a little bit

>>3375447
Horrifyingly good.

>>3375231
>whats have you been studying
I just redraw cool looking anime and mech pictures. I hate watching videos of other people drawing. I’d rather just draw.

Personally, getting mileage is more important than logging in hours of general studies. Once you identify a fault, then you can do targeted studies. Sometimes you just aren't ready to learn what the study will teach you, so it’s both boring and useless.

>>3375462
Thanks. :)

I'm actually content with his pose. Now to render and clean up and hopefully it turns out good. Still open to more criticism. Give me hell. :P

>>3375426
I really don't see it. Show me what's wrong.

>>3374631

the extra arms are connected to the trapezius. or maybe it grew out of the trapezius.

>>3375460
Venom is a lot more top heavy though and he should be in a more aggressive pose, like he's about to pounce.

Any good reads on colour theory?

>>3375540
That looks cool. Hope you continue the story of the little red ball of light.

Just finished Perspective Made Easy. Reading through his finally summary he says "Don't let the mechanics of perspective cramp your freehand drawing". What does he mean by that?

>>3375524
I understand, however, I am going for a more grotesque skinny/fat somewhat muscular humanoid version. :P

>>3375458
Yes, here's a self portrait.

>>3375554
Perspective is difficult to get right and that you shouldn't sweat the details because drawing is drawing.

>>3375460
Is no one gonna mention the leg?

>>3375460
why does he have the body of Carl Brutananadilewski?

Are there better markers that won’t bleed out on wood? I’m gonna paint some magic deck boxes and my brush pen and the sharpies bled a little. Pic related

>>3375426
If you draw without fully rendering, outlines and silhouettes mean a lot more than in real life. You need to exaggerate femininity otherwise you'll look masculine regardless of how closely it follows reality. Your jaw and forehead are too boxy as well.

>>3375566
What's wrong with which leg? They are just placeholders at this point to convey the pose.
>>3375575
I wanted to make him kind of gross and less like a bodybuilder/fitness model.

>>3375414
Try to make the chin shorter. Make the eyebrows less hairy. Try moving eyes SLIGHTLY down.

>>3375554

if it looks good. it looks good. you don't have to be perfect at perspective. most of the time people just wing it.

unless you're work that requires accurate perspective.

>>3375414

small face/head with soft rounded features.

>>3375170
Haven't done the course so sorry if the instructor says otherwise, but the hatching should follow the contour of the form.

are the scott robertson videos for "how to draw" available anywhere? the video links on his site require a password and I'm not installing his stupid fuckin apps

>>3375598
read perspective made easy

H

>>3375701
symbol drawing

>>3375701
This actually isn't that bad, just needs rendering.

>>3375710
i mean it's symbol drawing from the laces of his hoodie up to the wrinkles on his face, but sure. it "isn't that bad".

>>3375712
It just looks like a rough sketch. If this is his limit, sure, that's no good, but otherwise it just looks like a stylized black man cartoon.

I'm pretty sure all the mixed signals this board has given me has made me significantly worse at drawing.

Does anyone have a link to the pdf of stephen rogers peck's book ?

>>3375700
I already did

An anon posted this and people said it was incorrect
Could someone explain why and what the correct method is

Any advice to improve mu game?

>>3375763
why did you make his junk so big

>>3375751
Those arcs he draws and those "equivalent X's" are so awfully wrong. I really can't be bothered to explain in depth, but as you get closer to the edge, its curving so more surface is represented in less space. If you want exact numbers, learn some trig, otherwise just keep drawing from references until you can get it.

>>3375764
I put the belt to high trying to make him look like DKR, still figuring out proportion

>>3375705
lmao

>>3375637
>>3375580
I guess I see what you are saying, but I tried rounding it further, and it just looks ugly and too much like anime.
>>3375630
>Try to make the chin shorter
Tried it, looked to weird
>eyebrows less hairy
I'm really not a fan of thin eyebrows, so I'll pass, sorry.
Anyway, this is as far as I am willing to soften it, any further and I feel like it compromises the style. And I've spent too much time on this anyway.

>>3375794
?

>>3375796
It really is the hairline.

>>3375799
Temples too sharp?

>>3375811
It just reminds me of legolas.

>>3375796
Try lowering and softening the angle behind the head.
Yeah something s wrong with those hairs

>>3375794
I realize "symbol drawing" is a meme used by shitposters but in this case it's true. All of the facial features in >>3375701 are not what those facial features actually look like. For example, lips are not just 3 curves and a line through the middle. While it can be deceiving to someone who doesn't know how to draw, because you look at the picture and yeah, it looks like a fat black dude in a hoodie. I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm only pointing out the symbol drawing in an effort to help the artist identify things he needs to work on.

>>3375028
what did you install to make it work?

>>3375796
That looks better, try fixing the hairline. It's really angular. Her neck is also pretty weird looking, I'm not quite sure what it is though.

>>3375866
The dongle I have came with a driver thing (CSR4.0 Driver was the specific thing I have)
I just had to uninstall that and the regular windows whatever it comes with worked fine.
Once you get it running its very nice to be able to lean back a bit and it has 15 buttons so you can get a nice amount of shortcuts on it with joy to key. You press (and hold for a few seconds) the little button on the side to sync it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaRwmXopINA

Sadly the lights on the side keep going even when connected. Hopefully someone will fix that eventually.

>>3375879
>>3375866
I am on windows 7 by the way

>>3375879
>>3375884
Got it somewhat working.
Thanks a ton.

>>3374387
>>3374377
>>3374375
crits pls

>>3375894
Stop avoiding hands and faces. If you really want critiques on observation drawing, just overlay the reference.

>>3375796
jaw needs to be much further up and more triangle less square. can also try rounding the forehead.

>>3375460
update

>>3376019
>no bulge
ngmi

I've returned with a sketch with two humans.

>>3375796
Her face looks like that of a woman to me. Maybe not the prettiest woman of them all, but still a woman. The issue for me is her body and horrible hair.

>>3376021
sensible bulge

>>3374965
I found the pic on tweeter
Pic related

Okay I have this mini painting sketch
My questions are, how is the over all composition?
Is it readable at this simple stage? It should!
Are the colors working?
Do I have cool shapes?
What do you suggest me to do before go to refine stage and then details?

>>3375495
Little things like the ridge on the eyebrow. the chick you posted has a rounded ridge (as females tend to do). Also females don't exactly follow the 1/3's rule of eyebrow->bottom of nose-> chin. as these features are slightly more closely spaced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauBhzjx584
That being said she does look like evangeline lilly (if that's what you were going for) who does have fairly masculine features.

>>3376134
sorry I phrased it wrong. they still have the 1/3's proportions but I think the eyebrows are lower and the face is overall smaller. someone who is actually good at drawing can chime in.

>>3376118
I personally don't feel like the silluoette of the robot looks very good. Is it supposed to be a combat pose or mid stride or kind of recoiling in surprise? No clue.
I don't know shit about color theory so I can't comment on that. I like the dude in the foreground though. :)

>>3375796
I didnt say thinner, i said less hairy.

>>3376118
The character's emotions towards each other aren't clear enough. Samurai's pose will never happen in reality before a fight as well, looks dumb imo.

i just want to draw some qt anime girls and maybe some mechs, where do i start bros

>>3376600
Okay

I didn’t make a research
That is why
I will do better next sketch

>>3375908