/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3364279
>I understand how to draw all the seperate common facial tropes in anime (like eyes, the four-slash-mark-type blushes, the smiles that go thin in the middle and all that)
No, you do not understand anything at all and furthermore what you've just described is pure unadulterated cancer that is used to help with animating on the cheap it is the single biggest misconception and a trap that a lot of people fall for.

If you want to understand what makes something seem cute study the proportions of a child and learn why our minds perceive something to be cute and adorable and wanting to protect it, it is a physiological response and a trait used to increase the survival of living things this is why your animays are so popular and have not died yet in fact it attracts lonely men with beards on their necks.

Stop trying to copying anime and start doing more life observation.

I feel you anon.

>>3364299
I get the feel that by doing that you achieve the pic related style.

If you want to draw anime draw anime, isn't that logic?

>>3364299
This guy gets it. I've actually been trying to study anime as a way to learn what corners to cut.

>>3364303
>If you want to draw anime draw anime, isn't that logic?
You're not going to learn anything but bad habits, unless you study from life you'll have the fundamentals necessary to stylize what you learn from life drawing what you're trying to do is copy the answers instead of learning how you get the answers to solving the problem with idealizing figures especially if it is stylized and not knowing why would only lead you to having to unlearn the bad habits which would hinder you more rather than learning to figure draw from life first and then "break the rules" after you learn them.

Your weebshit was inspired from Disney, Disney derived its cartoons from life. The Disney Artists heavily relied on references and many life observations in order to achieve a product they can use that was simple enough to animate while at the same time providing the illusion of life through the use of basic forms and how these forms behave and react to a squish and a pull - it is the simplicity and abstraction of life that you have to understand in order to successfully execute any form of stylized drawing in order to provide the illusion.

Weebshit heavily relies on real world perspective which is why it is essential to do life drawings especially real world figures and understanding mechanical perspective.

If i have to post weeaboo shit just to get your attention so be it.

>>3364314
I mean, I never said to not draw real life, you gotta do it because you gotta do it, but also you should draw anime. Right?

>>3364279
You have to be a 9 year old Japanese school girl. I'm sorry OP there is no other way

>>3364303
You first learn the fundamentals, then you can start honing in on stylization. There's a reason pixiv tutorials are all over Loomis-esque techniques.
Believe me when I say people will know whether you've gotten an understanding of the fundamentals or not. It will show through your works.

>>3364315
>but also you should draw anime. Right?
No. Stop copying from anime you need to draw your own idealized figure based on that style from imagination if you are going to learn anything. Stop copying anime.

>>3364315
"drawing anime" is just a series of shortcuts that a group of artists collectively engage in so that they can bump out absolute buttloads of work.
>never said to not draw from real life, you gotta do it because you gotta do it
you do it so that you have a deep understanding of how to create lifelike images. In the context of drawing for anime, you do life studies so that when you radically simplify your drawings still have a sense of life to them rather than looking like shitty cartoons.

obviously if you want to mimic a certain style you should practice it. But life drawing and learning how to simplify things from life rather than memorizing a series of poses and symbols that you cobble together is what will make your work actually look good.

>>3364319
I mean here's where I don't get it.

You achieved good fundamentals, bravo, you can draw realism, great.

Now you want to draw anime, so you are not gonna look at any other drawings in anime style? why? if you just work under your own style and thats it you sure are missing a ton of stuff.

It's not bad to copy something, it shows you a lot of things. Why just stay inside your bubble?

>>3364279
>I put it all together it looks like some Total Drama Island garbage
Stop using sharp angles like an autist. Challenge yourself to not use corners and straight lines in your designs, round them out.

>>3364331
You haven't achieved good fundamentals, and you can't draw realism. So work on it.

>>3364331
>You achieved good fundamentals, bravo,you can draw realism, great.
You have a bias and a misconceptions on what fundamentals mean. I suggest you actually learn what fundamentals are about instead of misinterpreting them as something else. Having the ability to do an academic study from life and being able to portray it as a symbol on canvas with great accuracy does not mean you have the fundamentals required to deviate from life to the abstract and the ideal.

>Now you want to draw anime, so you are not gonna look at any other drawings in anime style? why?
You are not going to copy, you are going to recreate it from scratch. I am going to presume you have already immersed yourself in that weeb culture enough to understand the basic concepts of that style; now comes the hard part - deviating from life and "breaking the rules" the right way using fundamentals such as forms (simplified, which requires an understanding of anatomy and real world figures), perspective, composition, proportions that are based on your idealized form derived from life, and most importantly, the single most critical trait that will either make you or break you is the gesture and the ability to provide grace and a quality that is unique and recognizable as a figure with a character.

After thinking about it for a bit (and realizing my shit internet didn't post my post) I don't fully understand how learning from realism could be translated into anime. I can definitely see that in terms of bodies but as for stuff like the pic I posted as the OP, it seems to basic to really draw inspiration from realism, if that makes sense.


>>3364299
>time to fill my browser history looking for images of children
Just kidding, but that makes sense and actually seems like a legitimately good path to take. This is my first time posting a thread on /ic/ and I was spooked everyone would just say "fuck off weeb".but I'll look more into that and try to apply. so thanks for the advice anon, I appreciate it.

>>3364301
good to know someone understands the appeal. have you been trying to get better at it too?

>>3364316
m-my Japanese school girls are all over 18 years old!!

>>3364335
it should've been obvious but I guess it didn't cross my mind that sharp angles and lines take away from the cutefactor. so thanks for the advice anon, I'll try that out

>>3364351
figures* not bodies
too basic*

>>3364351
Where do you think anime style comes from in the first place? It doesn't come out of thin air, it's derivative from realism.

>>3364356
>anime is very basic, how is it derivative from realism?
>its derivative from realism!!!
it didn't really answer my question anon. a stick figure is vaguely derivative from realism but we dont look at a picture of a human to draw a stick figure. maybe thats a dumb point but does that kind of illustrate why I don't understand?

>>3364364
>stick figures
your stick figures will look better if you have an understanding of proportion and anatomy that comes from actual life studies than if you just scrawl them like a child.
The same applies to anime-style drawing.

>>3364364
The more knowledge you have of reality, the better you'll draw anime. Anime is a simplification of reality and every line that composes a good anime image will take factors of reality into account.

I get the impression that this isn't what you want to hear, and that's understandable. Who wants to go through all that work just to draw anime? If you want to be a derivative of a derivative, then go ahead and just draw anime based on anime based on anime.

>>3364364
>a stick figure is vaguely derivative from realism but we dont look at a picture of a human to draw a stick figure.
Yes, you do look at a picture of a human to draw a stick figure suppose we're a different sentient species with the same mental capacity and consciousness as a human but we've never seen or heard the term "Man" before so in order to understand that a Man has a Head, Torso, Limbs, hands and feet and simplify it as a symbol represented in a series of lines that come together with an affixed circular appendage at its top that is relative to proportions found in the mathematical constant "φ" we will recognize it to symbolize Man.

Now that we understand the basic concept of Man we can take the stick figure further by illustrating further information on canvas with anatomical references, forms that are in relation to each other in size (this holds true even in anime), subtle details such as bony landmarks and an asymmetrical design with "S" curves and various overlapping forms, Cylindrical forms, Box forms, Spherical forms, Triangular and even Conical all describing this "Man" added onto the stick figure.

The same concept applies to your weebshit, hence why we keep beating this topic like a dead horse yet you faggots never seem to understand.

>>3364373
you literally did the same thing as the other anon.
>how is this derivative?
>you idiot its derivative!!!
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, I'm just trying to understand HOW something so basic can be derivative from realism

>>3364374
no need to get up in arms about it, it was just a question. I'm not the one beating a dead horse. I understand that anime comes from realism, I'm just trying to understand how.

So there's clearly some disconnect here.
This is now an anime art fail thread.

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>>3364392
kek I was waiting for this faggot to show up
>>3364380
>I understand that anime comes from realism, I'm just trying to understand how.
F.U.N.D.A.M.E.N.T.A.L.S. It's an abstract form from real life but in order to understand the abstract you must first understand what makes the abstract.

>>3364392
this one's more tongue in cheek

>>3364394
kek

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>>3364394
I'm just trying to learn FUCK off
(although that profile thing with the mouth always bothers me when I see it)

>>3364393
so its more about understanding 3d shapes you mean?

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>>3364385
and this is why we keep saying you don't copy from anime.
>>3364397
>so its more about understanding 3d shapes you mean?
YES.

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>>3364380
>you literally did the same thing as the other anon.

Yeah, you're right, I did. I just can't break it down any further if you can't see how anime is derived from reality.

Maybe you think it's just a cartoon and they're just all symbols. And that if you learn to copy enough of these symbols, you'll draw anime. There's some truth there, but my supposition is that it'll never be any good.

>>3364400
this one and the last one are kinda cheating because they're animation stills but I thought they're too amusing to pass up

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>>3364403
a classic

>>3364405

When /ic/ used to be cool.

I wonder if he still posts here.

>>3364417

is... is it over?

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>>3364429
oh, sweetie

>Anime is not derived from li-

Does anyone know if this guy still posts here?

>>3364452
This one isn't like the others.

>>3364456
I refuse to believe people do this as a study.

>>3364458
Believe it, he fell victim of "studying" anime which is what OP is implying to do and I am sincerely curious about where he is at now, pic very related.

and this faggot right here I hope he actually took my advice and didn't meme Loomis into oblivion.

>>3364459
WOW... just wow.

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>>3364471
God this is sad, especially considering the ages.

>>3364468
is dynamic perspective, you have to imagine you're a desperate japanese boy so when you see an arse you do an internal dolly zoom

>>3364405
this one is fascinating, once you point it out it is obvious but in quick motion it looks fine

>>3364413
I agree really, the girl on the right has a completely fucked up torso and her arm looks weird.

>>3364279
It's all about proportions. Use child like exaggeration. Big cranium, short puffy face, small or completely absent noses, big eyes and small mouths.

>>3364351
The other anon is baiting you. Anime is highly derivative of itself, its a very a incestuous style, if one wants to draw appealing anime that does actually look like it could be anime, you absolutely cannot afford to ignore the decades and decades of context you are drawing from. Pay attention to the current trends of anime that's being drawn today and the last half century of anime that has been already drawn, but also pay attention to real life.

N G M I
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>>3364862
This. You can do all the loomis you want, but if you want to draw anime you must understand the style. On the other hand you can't just jump into highly stylized art without having fundamental knowledge (perspective, anatomy, gesture), cause if you want to exaggerate something, you first need to understand that something.

>>3364452
That's alright progress if he's only drawing for hobby

>>3364459
they're still at it, this is from 2017

>>3364925
well, fug :DDDDDDDD DD

>>3364925
Motherfucker has the audacity to make a pixiv

>>3364925
Jesus Christ.

>>3364299
Everyone on this board is so fucking stupid.

>>3364387
>tfw when your crop is in use
happyfather.png

>>3364279
Look at and copy more anime, dude. Also, you'd get better answers in the anime study thread so you shouldn't have made this one

>>3364331
>>3364315
Correct.
Imagine we're telling a story about a cool tree we saw the other day. If you only listen to what other people say about it and never witness the tree itself, you'll have a skewed perception of it. If you do witness the tree, but never listen to what other people have to say about it, you'll have an opinion that has never been challenged.
The best approach is to see the tree for yourself and then listen to others' interpretation, so you can exchange ideas freely. When everything is said and done, you'll be left with a very clear idea of the tree, refined by many different points of view into the shape you're comfortable with.
>the tree is reality, others' ideas are their styles and interpretations of it, telling a story is drawing

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>>3364319
I can tell you can't draw anime. It's the /ic/'s most popular myth that you have to learn all the fundamentals first before doing anything else... and then confetti falls from the sky and you'll have earned your license to draw what you actually enjoy.
It's nonsense, if you neglect what you're passionate about for years to grind on academic drawing, your creativity and motivation will take a heavy blow.
If you study fundies for the sake of them rather then as a stepping stone for your personal work, you'll burn out. It's no fun place to be in.

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>>3366531
MIKUFAG IS THAT YOUU?

>>3366531
I've seen another image drawn by you and this one doesn't help.

>>3366531
((((do you have a blog or somethin?))))

>>3364471
please tell me this one is a piss take
how do you manage to get worse with time

>>3366531
And you got there without copying any anime?
That's amazing.

>>3366531
Well, if it's mikufag, I can believe those words.

>>3364279
>"You know, I've come to understand something, Fred. That people are either beautiful or ugly, and the ones in between are merely cute."

now realize how fucked /ic/ kids are who worship ugly.

Avoid many sharp lines with that specific style or it'll look like a low-budget western cartoon like you said, I learned that the hard way.

>>3366758
What did he mean by this

this is definitely one of the funniest threads i've seen not gonna lie
that and moe tupac

>>3368577

that's not Anime btw, that is my sister Lenin.

>>3364454
why would you do this? does this make him feel better?

>>3364459
>>3364925
>is the same age as me
I guess I am not as bad as I though, I ever drew less than him years wise

>>3364459
this stuff makes me feel better about my art
thanks

>>3364413
>>3364415
Do you have the other one with the Scott Robertson image?

>Before you have permission to do this, you must first do THIS

>>3364279
We get this topic a lot.
I wonder why.

cuteness is just really good design, so when you ask how to do it, it makes one giggle

>>3364299
Nothing wrong with copying anime as long as OP can grasp the Form of animu character faces.

The only reason Life comes into play is because drawing from life helps you understand form better. And thus, this will help with his animu characters.

So stop being a crab.

>>3368766
>Nothing wrong with copying anime as long as OP can grasp the Form of animu character faces.
>accuses me of trying to mislead OP
You're the one enabling him to attempt and replicate a manner of drawing which focuses on being low budget, easy to animate, sacrificing form with flat planes such as side mouths and a lack of details so as a result you learn these bad habits thinking you're drawing the "style" correctly hence why we keep telling you faggots to stop copying from anime. Unless you're animating and trying to churn these out as fast and cheaply as possible we can understand that it will look passable when it is animated, however >>3364456 is the direct result from copying anime.

Lets play the devil's advocate for a moment, suppose OP has good draftsmanship and understands how to convey form from the abstract and problem solves fundamental issues by drawing from imagination. If OP wants to draw weebshit but has not been immersed into the environment where heads are as large as the torso and being cute is the point of emphasis he may reference off an artist that does not perpetuate the low budget form and carries the idealized figure to a more developed stage with forms that convey an appeal but without delving into the uncanny valley. He will essentially do the same thing the Nips did when they drew inspiration from Disney characters however the quality of Disney back in the golden age of animation was far superior that today's and they really put an emphasis on delivering graceful characters moving on the screen.

If OP really wants to copy like >>3364414 and expose himself to a high probability of learning bad habits you might as well study from people like Ishikei or Alphonse that understand how to convey form while at the same time "breaking the rules" providing those cookie cutter moeblobs.

>>3368808
>Team Peanut Butter
Oh shit it's on /ic/ too.

How do I actually "loomis"? All that ever gets posted is the word and it makes me feel like I've missed a couple shitposts somewhere that explained the exact process. How much am I supposed to focus on each book? When do I move on? Do I do all of them at once?

>>3368808
Nice legs

>>3364279

>>3364299 is right btw


>>3364468
i love bad anatomy redlines

>>3368574
>moe tupac
?

>>3368917
just watch proko

>>3364456
https://kinguofbel.tumblr.com

>>3370129
>heheheh yessssss goyim create a social media account we wouldn't dare track you and steal your information so that we may profile you and sell your information for Shekels to third party conglomerates! Good goy.

>>3370129
Oh no...

This thread is nice and all but I still don't know what to do for the 12 hours of the day I need to be drawing in order to make it.

>>3370240
Drawing

>>3370114
unfortunately i didn't save it but it was a bad drawing of tupac with anime eyes and a deformed head

>>3370241
Drawing anime, got it.

>>3370129
this might be the worst porn ive ever seen thanks

>>3370129
getting shadman vibes from this

>>3364299
This guy's full of shit, and this board is full of fucking retards like him. Go look at all your favorite youtube speedpainters and shit, they have no idea who the fuck loomis is and they will tell you they didn't learn shit by "life observation," they just kept drawing from anime until they got to their level. that's how you do it. everything else is a meme for newbies to get trapped in, doing shit that they don't want to do anyways.

>>3368808
Damn! I want to draw my waifu like this!

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>>3364417
It took me a long time to figure out how these got so bad.
I cant find the image again but some old anime had this eye shape for the profile angle specifically, and whoever made this just thought thats how anime eyes look.

>>3371584
>Go look at all your favorite youtube speedpainters and shit
>implying we don't know what motor skills are
>They will tell you they didn't learn shit by "life observation"
>implying implications
>They just kept drawing from anime until they got to their level
>being an unoriginal low tier copy cat from someone is something to be proud of
>everything else is a meme for newbies to get trapped in
We're not maniacal filled with cynicism to go as far as deliberately establish a system such as the sticky in order to lure would be successful artists and hinder them with detours and bad advice so it would take decades to draw what they really wanted to :^)

>>3364396
BIG MEATY CLAWS!!!

>>3371594
We're all gonna make it brah

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>>3371612
Start doing 1,000 gesture drawings you dumb weeaboos.

>>3364518
this though

>>3364393
im a /beg/ tier artist and even i understand that you must understand the rules of reality before breaking them.

think of drawing anime or stylized stuff in general as playing chess or a fighting game. the guy that keeps beating you in various ways does so because he knows the game like the back of his hand. kinda like knowing cheap glitches, spawn locations, and the meta in a firs person shooter

>>3371616
A day?

>>3371584
best advice ITT
you have no idea how many newbies come here, wanting to draw anime
get told to grind a bunch of irrelevant books and exercises that are above and beyond what they want to do
do it for at most a year, and get discouraged because they still can't draw anime
meanwhile retards are already seeing anime gains by just emulating other peoples' styles and forming their own style
and you're still drawing boxes and loomis heads

>>3372581
>and you're still drawing boxes and loomis heads

>>3372581
Re-read your post and you should be able to figure out why people get discouraged when they still can't draw their animays from imagination after only a year.
>>3372588
The whole point of those exercises is for you be introduced to basic forms and learn how to approach the difficult problem of portraying the illusion of three dimensional forms on a two dimensional plane especially if these forms are stylized to the capacity where you must deviate away from life and essentially work with your imagination which takes a lot of experimentation and screw ups before you learn how to approach the abstract that works and makes sense for you. Furthermore you do not have to use his exact construction methods per se even Loomis encourages you to develop your own approach in order to solve the problem you are facing. Loomis goes on to say how the developed the divided ball and plane method out of a necessity that worked for him with illustrating realistic heads that demanded a quality of appeal for use in advertisements and magazines at the time he was a painter.

>>3372618
No one draws anime from imagination, retard.

>>3372631
Hence why you can't draw.

>>3372631
This desu. Not saying it's a good thing, but most anime artists seem to either strictly follow a reference or flat out steal. Pic related is more obvious, but how many do you think just watch random porn videos, pause it, and copy the exact poses?

>>3372639
Using real world figures as reference is not copying anime, we're not arguing about using 3dpigs as references we're arguing about why we discourage and disesteem beginners who wish to learn how to draw to not copy from that style as a way of approach to learn fundamentals which seems to be the mindset of people who want to learn how to draw like the last image of animay tiddies they fapped to.

Even OP had a misconception of what makes something look cute by having the "anime" smile that goes thin in the middle? It's not about the lack of details or simplified forms it is mainly the proportions that closely resemble the visage of a child but you wouldn't know this if all you did was copy the anime smiles that go thin in the middle and then complain on /ic/ about why the faces look like Total Drama Island.

>>3364423
thanks for clarifying that anything with twintails makes it look cuter. also
miku best

>>3372666
Get your eyes checked that looks horrible and they bastardized it.

>>3372668
nope its 10x better

>>3372675
Get on my level faggot.

>>3372680
i-its beauitful

>>3372656
I think the smiles that go thin in the middle are pretty cute desu, I don't really care whether it resembles a child or not.

>>3372746
random screenshot from an animated series, don't see it. Although this is more to do with the times and the different aesthetics of today's moeshit but the whole smile that goes thin in the middle is better suited for the original cancer containment field.

>>>/a/

>>3364423
y no1 doing this with cheez?

>>3371616
A week?

>>3372770
Don't be retarded, this thread is talking about the anime art style, so why would you direct them to /a/? Well, I always found it pointless to tell a retarded person not to be retarded.