/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

I don't think I'm studying this loomis book right. I couldn't find my ruler so I couldn't make 8 equally tall lines to represent the heads.

Maybe I should start with drawing mannequins to practice proportion?

I'm on my way to (try) to design some characters. The idea with this one is to do a redux of an old design i did last year, which was a shark-themed girl, not only with the outfit, but also with her face, hait, etc.
The ideas i've got so far, may they be shit or not:
spiked hair: eventually looking like a fin and remind of the shark teeth; glasses: cuz sharks got a shit view; big nose: considering how a shark's face look, found this relevent; big tiddies: cuz sharks are big ass
opinions/criticisms/advices? thx anons

nb: just noticed that the ears look a bit too high, gonna correct it later

>>3362533
Do a basic 8 head sketch of a person to reference from, then start doing figure drawing from photos/life and try to apply the 8 head concept. Do medium length poses like 2 and 5 minute ones, and you'll eventually develop a 'hunch' for the proportions since you cant use heads for measuring in every pose.
Try using the 7 head system too, it's "rather dumpy" but theres a reason its the academic standard.

why does the sticky disrecommend 4k monitor?

>>3362549
I only use digital for school, but I assume its color accuracy.

>>3362565
How do I know if my screnn has a correct color accuracy?

kinda messy and all over the place, anyone got any feedback?

>>3362581
google is a search engine

Reposting from previous thread >>3362119
I've done another one, really like how it turned out, would like some critique.

>>3362501
please give advise

>>3362536

face is important. if it doesn't look cute it's shit. Unless you have a very niche crowd you want to please or a weird fetish.

That face... is ugly.

>>3362533
That's not how you measure anyway. You make a line for how big the final drawing will be, then divide that up to however many you want.

how do you draw the 3d part of things that don't have lines

>>3362644

form is not made of lines.

Just started out trying to draw yesterday. Mostly just did figure drawings without posing or anything. Heres my first attempt at a pose. Should I keep messing around with figures or go on to something else?

>>3362644
values

Todays sketch sheet

Glorified stick figures won't get you very far. Add cylinders to everything and learn how to create the illusion of depth through overlapping and foreshortening.
But that's kinda asking a lot if you literally just started.

>>3362673
for that >>3362656

>>3362673
>>3362676
Was trying to work on correct proportions to start.
Thanks for the advice I'll get to work on that.

>>3362656
Before you start mindlessly repeating tutorial practices I advise you to attempt drawing a picture as good as you can. Both for finding out what the most important things you need to learn are and also to save it for future comparison when you've developed.

>>3362677
Learning proportions before perspective isn't very useful because unless you're always posing the model as if they're a starfish, the measurements will always be skewed because of foreshortening.

Proportions are something you really have to grind out over weeks through trial and error. Eventually you get an intuition about the correct length.

>>3362731
>he actually believes this

advice please

>>3362583
the left faces are very poorly defined and looks like you have parkinson

Please rate the art and how I used colouring, mood lighting, and the sudden jarring tonal shift

>>3362772

>>3362772
>>3362774

>>3362733
hurts to look at but its not bad.

>>3362790
what does it mean and where are the biggest flaws?

>>3362797
There's no lightsource. The highlights tell the viewer the light source is above the frog, but she shadow implies it is a little to the right and back.

Not your original critic btw.

>>3362772
>>3362774
>>3362779
>making an edgy story out of the powerpuff girls of all things
y tho

>>3362733
what are all the lines going on? just curious. Like under his left eye there's a bunch of lines goin downward? perspective?

>>3362772
The color themes before and after the nuke are actually really good, if just a bit muddy.

Definitely needs a panel with her throwing the bomb itself after panel 1 or of an empty hand before she created the bomb. I had no idea what was going on til I saw her materialize the gauntlets, then I had to re-read it.
A panel of buttercup just a few feet before hitting the monster will increase the impact of the climax, also you don't want to bleed one panel over to the next on that page as well. The nuke panel should be completely stand-alone.
The 3 people impaled panel is out of place, that doesn't happen after an explosion, although it does bring up imagery of Hell, it's probably wrong to use.

The very last panel is kind of weird, their expressions don't make sense. They're just standing there watching her run away. Blossom is looking annoyed and bubbles looks confused and scratching her head but has tears. I don't know what they're thinking at all after their sister just nuked their city.

>>3362690
Tried to do a gun earlier. Ended up somewhat recognizeable.

>>3362839
Look like plumb lines. Theyre used for measuring and comparing to the reference photo.

>>3362847
tell me more about plum lines

>>3362849
How about you fucking google it

>>3362850
you could have used that post to tell me

instead you wasted both of our times

>>3362856
Instead I used my post to highlight what a retard you are. Maybe my post will cause you to think twice before posting in the future so you don't like a retard again. Maybe I saved us all a bunch of time.

>>3362859
JUST TELL ME ABOUT PLUMB LINES

THIS IS THE BEGINNER THREAD IT'D BE GOOD FOR EVERYONE WHO READS IT

>>3362861
Like the other guy said, you should become more self proficient. Beginners that are gonna make it know how to find what they need to get better.

So here you go.

>>3362866
thanks

bitch

Abny advice for anatomy and perspective? Also how bad /good did I do in this drawing

>>3362866
This is why you don't help retards. You're probably the person that answered his first question as well. Just let them fail.

>>3362533
>Doesn't read sticky
>Starts with Loomis
I love this meme

>>3362656
You should start working through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain or Keys to Drawing, they will save you from half of the dumb beginner mistakes you are bound to make.

>>3362823
"y tho" applies to half the shit on this board lmao

I drew this back in January. I know, it fucking sucks; I'm well aware. Since then, I've been practicing a lot of basic shapes, draw a box exercises, ect. For whatever reason, I feel like I've gotten even worse, if that's at all possible. I don't even have a newer drawing saved to compare this one too because I've deleted all of them.
Where the fuck do I go from here?

>>3362908
Stop that stupid box and shapes stuff and go back to draw cute cat girls.

>>3362908
The world is in high demand for cute cat girls

>>3362790
>>3362806
>>3362839
please help me figure out where i went wrong

>>3362908
Post your current work so we can compare.

>>3362935
Do bargue plates. I think your main problem is your visual measuring skills.

>>3362937
i've done bargue plates and read keys
do i just keep practicing it?

>>3362939
Yes.

>>3362937
I don't really have any "current works" cause I keep rage quitting. The closest thing I have would be this sketch I just started.

You don't know the shapes that make up the head. Look up head construction.
But before that, you need to look up references and try to copy 1-to-1. You need to train your eye.

>>3362944
Finish it and post the finished version with color and all. You did it before, you can do it again.

>>3362939
Remember to do things that interest you to. Reading books and doing bargue plates are very mentally exhausting. I can only do one bargue plate a week because I feel so tired after doing one.

>>3362944
You're constructing the head wrong the circle is supposed to be the cranium, and you're supposed to draw a head based off of that. Also you are symbol drawing the eyes obviously.

About the rage quitting -- I wrote an essay in the last thread about why you shouldn't rage quit pieces, >>3360237 . It was directed at a single person, but it still applies to you.

>>3362992
>I can only do one bargue plate a week because I feel so tired after doing one.

>>3363008
You know bargue plates are supposed to take you multiple hours and even days to do, right? The point is to xerox the original image exactly, even the value.

>>3362944
Man you need to lower your standards, if you can't draw without getting all emotional you're never going to get good. You need to be drawing daily and part of that is accepting you will suck for a while

Also it sounds like you've been practicing construction entirely, try doing some stuff from reference

>first time doing tone
>pretty difficult considering how my vision got blurry halfway through
>every second i had to run back and forth to see the direction of the fur
>looked like a complete retard doing it
>in the end, it still looks like shit compared to everyone else
what do you think /beg/?

>>3363022
Pretty good for a first attempt. I didn't know they have statues like these. I thought they actually drew real live animals.

>>3362769
I actually have Parkinson's -.-

>>3363037
That's damn good for having Parkinson's. Looks like it doesn't hold people back all that much.

>>3363037
Im so sorry

>>3363037
Any problems with fapping?

>>3363046
Only with cleaning up the mess!

I recently drew this abomination...

>>3363022

It's a pretty tough subject to draw as a beginner in a short period of time while under pressure, so don't feel bad about it.

The thing to remember about drawing class is that everyone better than you has already been at your skill level, so they can all empathize. You did a pretty good job compared to some of the ridiculously awful shit I've seen in college drawing classes anyway.

>>3363054

Just a bit of advice, don't take photos on your phone and post them directly here. Upload it onto your computer, resize it so that it's under 2kx2k pixels, and post it from there so it doesn't get rotated.

>>3363037
sorry

Im pretty sure that I fucked up the cube

>>3363071
Different perspective. Look at the top of cylinder.

>>3363071

Look at the angles in the corners and try to match them up. All the planes of the cube are kinda wonky.

The height of the sphere's shadow on the cube and the shape of it's cast shadow are way off. The terminator of the sphere's shadow doesn't curve around properly and it isn't really rendered well. There shouldn't be a hard edge, use a soft brush, and it should be darker.

The curve of the bottom of the cylinder is wrong. In your sketch layer you should be drawing through the forms to make sure things connect properly.

The shape of the cube's cast shadow is way off.

You gotta be really patient, keep comparing the shapes of things in your picture to the shapes of things in your ref. Keep going back and forth, checking comparing adjusting, over and over till you're sure it's right. Flip your canvas for a fresh perspective now and then.

Maybe don't worry too much about rendering right now and just try to draw the shapes with line, that's the most important thing to practice for you, you really want to focus 100% on your accuracy.

>>3362583

They're nice. Top left guy's eyes are wonky.

Im going through the Keys to Drawing book first, but should I acctually read the stuff, or just skim through it and do the projects only?

>>3363024

Not the guy who drew the bun but those aren't statues, it's taxidermy. Looks like a fun class.

>>3363108
Stop being a lazy piece of shit and read the book.

>>3363037
It looks really good then bro, I'm not kidding either. It's a nice style, busy lines but coherent visuals overall

>>3363108
READ IT
fuck's sake that's where all the important information is. Any asshole can draw their feet or a green pepper lmao doing that alone won't help you at all

>>3362583
Stop covering every figure in a robe.

What should I be doing better?

>>3363156
Looks good, keep it up bud.

damn... how do you even start to go about rendering that highlights in the middle. at least the Thumbnail look appetizing

>a dude with parkinsons can draw better than me
alright im done

I got my tablet yesterday and my line work and shading is really bad, could you guys give me some tips on how to improve / what my biggest problems are?

>>3363198
Also a really shitty face

>>3363198
>could you guys give me some tips on how to improve
Read the sticky.

I was told all I had to do was blend...

>>3363207
Learn how to draw first.

>>3363207
La Creatura...
El Atrocidad...
El Mutto Abanderado...
El Goblino...
La Goblino...
La Bandero...
La Menace Gluttonica...
El Boomer...
El Rastero...
El Devorador...
El Etereo...
El Orco...
El Vacio...
El Caballero Oscuro...
Il Profano...
La Abominacion...
El Turko Mongolio...
La Bestia...
El Abismal...
La Eferma Creatura Subordina a los Judios...
La Falta...
Il Monstro...
El Judiado Cretino...
El Tirano...
El Ejercito de Zion...
El Cerebro...
El Teratoma de la Humanidad...
El Balrojo...
El Perro Maldito ...
El Atroz Cruzado Blanco...
El Monstro Arenoso del Tempo...
Il Demonio...
El Digletto Furioso...
El Bambino...
La Siniestra Presencia...
El Mesias Impuro...
El Demonio Asqueroso...
La Criatura Verde...
La Luz Extinguido...
El Diablo...

>>3363207

Who told you that?

>>3362895
>I'll deflect my critizism by shaming others

>>3363207
stop using DesignDoll for shading reference

>>3363208
Surely, there must be an easier way.

>>3363212
The child in my head after watching multiple "tutorials".

>>3363221
Oh fuck. It was just this one time, I swear anon. Won't happen again.

>>3363227
That's what I thought.

>>3363156
2h study

>>3363223
>Surely, there must be an easier way.
I smell future photobasher

>>3363232
there is something off about that misty

>>3362615
what about an objective critisism now anon?

how do i beat the feelings of wanting to throw everything ive drawn into the trash can?

>>3363269
draw even more, if you are aware that what you've done is shit, at least you know where to improve

>>3363269
Throw it somewhere else for safekeeping so you can bring it back out to improve on the mistakes you made then.

>>3363238
looks good, it's interesting how changed the proportions, intentional or not. i would spend a bit of time making sure that hand you finished looks right, because it kinda stands out now as being amateurish. there's also a lot of little anatomical details which you kind of glossed over, which is cool for 2h and everything but make sure you take note.

>>3363269
What's wrong with throwing everything you've done into the trash? I'd do it too except I plan to use mine for a progress post at some point

>>3363244
There definitely is.
Happy that my cap is being used tho.

>>3363189
it's very accurate,zoom in, add some lights and details and repeat the process. and then it will be delicious.

i tried painting in real for the first time in my life and i want to kill myself. It feels like everything is out of my control. Do you have any good source on how to obtain certain colors using paint?

>>3363320
you mean mixing? it just work by the color wheel, the only thing you might not surmise from that is that you have yellow & white, and black & brown for value shifting instead of just using black and white

I watched a lot of Proko, how are my beans?

okay, so I produced a incredibly shitty piece - the idea was, I accept pretty much any and all requests I receive via deviantart and this way force myself to also draw things I normally wouldn't draw, and thus slowly improve.

Now, one of the things I almost never draw is anything cartoonish (my chickenscratch game is so strong, anything with lineart pretty much always looks shitty).

so this guy requests a half-body drawing of one of his characters (I'm not even sure if it's supposed to be an OC character, a drawing of him, etc.), and only gives me one 'reference picture', which I will post in a moment.

And this here is my attempt at drawing just that, before I eventually just stopped and left it in this state, because of just how shitty it is.

Now the question: what could I have done better in this picture, with only the one picture I'll post next available for reference?

>>3363326
and this was the reference picture I was provided with.

be brutally honest, no matter how unusable this reference was - what could I have done better?

>>3363327
that character is incredibly basic. the only part that should have given pause is the asymmetric hair style. don't blame your lack of skill on the reference here. you could've googled and found thousands of pictures of generic dudes wearing a tank top and shorts for help.

>>3363323

It's a start, but try to chickenscratch less, practice drawing circles if you need to. Also I'm noticing many of them aren't really paying any attention to stretching vs compressing, which is a big part of what helps make beans look organic. You won't necessarily have those sort of 'v' shaped creases on both sides. If you think about when you stretch to one side, you feel one side go taut while the other compresses.

How much have you practiced spherical forms? Like, for example, wrapping a cross-contour line around a sphere? Having some practice with that will help a lot with beans too.

>>3363333
I dont GET IT
I dont see any countour lines on that bean but it looks more spherical than anything I've drawn
wtf is this
do i just not have the artist's touch or something

what do you guys think of my quick character sketches

>>3363336
Lazy and boring.

Is there any worth in getting a gestalta doll for reference?

>>3363341
Yes. Why do you think they exist?

>>3363066
>>3363040
dont be, if anything ur great at diagnosing based on drawing.

>>3363089
>>3363115
tnx dawgs.

>>3363151
idk why i do it, i suck at robes.

>>3363343
It's just that it seems a bit stiff, especially in its legs, so the posing would be somehwat limited.

>>3363351
you are correct

>>3363352
Well then, wouldn't it be better to get something with more motion capability?

>>3363354
yep.

>>3362668
Very nice

>>3363356
Thanks, I don't know what I'd do without your sage advice.

>>3363358
:)

>>3363351
they're not for poses really, they're for lighting and perspective, they mimic the large simple forms one uses as a basis for figures.

like in your picture there, see how easily you can make out the white light shining on the back of the figure and the green and pink reflections coming off the plant and flower at the front.

Texture page with an organic form as instructed in Dynamic Sketching week 2. Think it's time to move onto week 3.

>>3363334

The compressing side implies the form even without needing the cross contour line. The way lines overlap, even subtly, can tell you a lot. Try it a few times, do your beans except with stretches and compression, I'm fairly certain Proko goes over it in his tutorial so rewatch it if you need to.

Learning forms is a big hurdle that a lot of people struggle with starting out, so don't beat yourself up about it. Try doing some cross contours around forms if you haven't, I find it helps a lot.

>>3363341

I got a mannekin and never use it, they're mostly useless in an age where you've got an abundance of photo refs and digital 3d models.

>>3363360
I see, I honestly didn't think of that.
>>3363372
I suppose that's true, though there was one or two times when I needed a reference and for the life of me couldn't find a suitable picture.

>>3363370
like this?

>>3363377

Definitely an improvement, anon! Some of those are looking more three dimensional already, keep it up.

>>3363238
A few more studies, about 30-45 minutes each.

>>3363275
I tried to draw with proper proportions; it's one of the things I'm more stressed about my ability. I noticed the head was really out of proportion after posting. As for the hand, I haven't really spent the time studying that subject and my reference was lacking in that area too.
My focus was on values/rendering though.

>>3363407

Your bodies are doing really well, but the faces are making them look more amateurish than they need to be.

Any tips or resources on drawing facial expressions? Tired of my drawings having the same neutral face all the time

>>3363444
Just look up facial expressions and write down notes on what you see in common between similar facial expressions.

>>3363407
u trace the bodies?

i've been drawing beans for three hours and i wanna kms because I haven't seen any improvement in the slightest

>>3363484
maybe beans aren't your forte, do some perspective stuff instead

>>3363491
i just wanna draw cute girls with ridiculously oversized weapons

>>3363495
Why are you drawing beans?

>>3363495
Patience... If you get bored with something, do something else. Don't linger on one thing for too long, usually a break in between will make you rethink of another approach that could work when you go back.

>>3363484
Read the sticky.

>>3363498
because the bean represents a simplified version of the human torso, and being able to perfect a bean would mean drawing torsos would be that much easier.

>>3363505
Well the anon doing those exercises isn't even doing them correctly or efficiently. The hip should be equal or greater in width than the torso. Yet in all of those beans that isn't true. He's not even drawing two circles and connecting them. He's doing some sort of abomination of guesstimating everything.

Been going through Prokos figure drawing course and just got to the landmarks chapter, attempting to identify the bones on the surface. Not sure I'm gonna make it after all.

>>3363480
No.

>>3363508
I'm drawing two circles and then connecting them
something gets lost in the process though.
I can't get them to look right.

>"When I fart"

>a gothic poem written by Adremalach Goodrich. 1856 Revision from the Great Sophisticated Master Class.

Death, decay. This Putrid Stench
Brown deadly gas, omitting from my ass!
This sour disgusting smell fills my fucking nostrils
The walls dilapidated, soaked in crusty jizz from when I masturbated
Destructive gases slowly filling this structure I call my domain
Shit droplets begin to rain from my hot lava ass
Excrement demons begin to rejoice to celebrate this sanctimonious cloud of pure shit
Blast from the past! You must bow down and worship my ass! Again. And again. And again.
Prepare to have your senses raped, by this disgusting smell, the blackest satanic art,
Of When I fart

>>3363514
How about you get some models who are rotating their hips and use them as reference, or grab a towel at home and twist it.

Also, leave the original circles in your work, learn how to draw light and control your pressure. The original circles should be barely visible but it is a critical skill.

>>3363518
I've just been using images from my porn folder as refrences

>>3363527
Clearly fucking not since your work is god damned garbage. Either get serious, or fuck off.

>>3363529
>person who's been drawing for a week is bad
no shit crab

>>3363531
It's fucking obvious when people put in a modicum of effort. You clearly didn't put shit for effort. If you're serious about your effort that went into that chicken-scratch shit then I suggest you quit now.

>>3363541
Gee, thanks for the helpful and inciteful post. You really are a master artist who knows what they're doing.

Kidding
fucking kill yourself nigger

>>3363508
what's the point of doing exercises if you do them efficiently and correctly?

If you can do both of those, what are you actually exercising. you gotta fuck up before you learn

>>3363546
Even a fucking beginner can tell when effort is applied, those beans are beyond garbage and show a very clear lack of effort. You didn't even try drawing circles from the shoulder, you didn't try to fix your chicken-scratch, you're inconsistent everywhere, your lines don't make sense.

Just admit it, 0 fucking effort. Even a fucking nigger who did the first courses of draw-a-box knows to draw circles from the shoulder, and he knows not to chicken scratch.

>>3363550
You should know the basics of hips and torsos before you attempt to connect them. I was wrong in the wording. The anon is shows no signs of thinking things out. Like he just Proko's video once and did a single page.

>>3363263
its a waste on such an ugly drawing...

>>3363269
Burn it instead
You get some big relief of seeing all the shitty things you've made get fucking deleted from existence.

>>3363553
how bout these beans then faggot

>>3363484
You're symbol drawing, stop it.

>>3363561
>overlapping circles
>gesture line
>less chicken scratch
>better lines of stretching and pinching

Now you're showing that you're studying your reference to understand why the pinching and pulling happens, this is what the bean is all about.

Much better anon, see. This is the difference between effort and no effort.

I'd still recommend you spend some time drawing circles and ovals from the shoulder.

Here's some beans I did in 2015 when I was drawing digital, I long ago switched to analog but now you can laugh at me if you want.

Is this cute
Also help with tail

fuck me, I don't know what I'm doing.
Also, this face looks really familiar (not talking about Hitler)

>>3363604
Do plate studies of eyes, I could never break the symbol drawing until I did some plate studies and finally understood what lines are important. You'll see most of the same structure in anime eyes too.

Highly recommend you do it.

>>3363362
I think you should do one more, your textures still look a bit off.

>>3363615
Alright, any tips or what I did wrong?

>>3363624
You did nothing wrong, move on. Go back to it later if you find your textures lacking in your future works.

>>3363624
They are not very gradual, if you can see this in the 2nd one down on the left, 7th one down on the left, and last one on the left. And the 5th one down on the right. It's a problem with consistency, one more page should eb enough to fix it. Look at the thumbnail, you'll see how the value jumps from one value to the other instead of gradually move between values.

>>3363650
Would it be better if I had the charts go full page? Either way, ill take one more page shot at it.

>>3363326
>the idea was, I accept pretty much any and all requests I receive via deviantart and this way force myself to also draw things I normally wouldn't draw, and thus slowly improve.

there are much better ways to improve bro

>>3363606
Thanks mate, ill try and do that now.
everyone looks fucking ugly here

I can't really do the upside down picture thing betty edwards says is apparently so easy in right side of the brain. Is it OK if I skip it?

>>3363675
yes, skip the whole book and do keys to drawing instead.

>>3363675
If you can't even do that, you aren't doing it right. It's the easiest thing in the book.

>>3363675
That exercise is extremely simple and straightforward and it does not bode well if you are cutting corners already.

>>3363675
>I can't
?

What should I be doing differently?

>>3363320
i did another one today that i like a bit more, although i still have to finish and correct a couple things.
Any kind of critique would be much appreciated

>>3363681
The instructions are "just do it." When I try it ends up looking completely different out of wack from the original.

>>3363579
You need to work on proportions
Make the tail more curved

what is chicken scratch?

>>3363787
It is when you use lines to measure the relationships between various points in a painting.

>>3363787
found this pic on google, perfect illustration
to be short: messy as fuck lines

>>3363702
it's pretty nice imo, but as i'm shit at paint idk if i missed downsides

>>3363715
That's fine, you should still do it, failure is a way of learning but if you're too afraid to fail because it "looks wrong" you will not make progress in art.

>>3363796
lmao don't cause more confusion for him

>>3363787
When you don't have the confidence to lay down long, smooth lines, beginners usually will draw with a bunch of short scratchy lines instead.

>>3363512
oh, nice work on the anatomy then.
I'd remove those heads if I were U.

also what program did u use? It looks familiar

>>3363658
It doesn't matter how big you make it unless you make it the size of your benis, then its too small :) But real talk, if you made the charts full page, you'd have a bit more leeway, so go for it! Remember you don't have to make it perfect, just consistent.

>>3363837
It's just photoshop.

when and how do i use lost edges?

>>3363877
Knowing your form and being comfortable in all lighting scenarios, and especially for lost edges, dark light. Softer and darker -> more lost, so a fur in shadow would be really lost.

>>3363898
>4 edge principle
literally nonexistant
also why is a beginner doing paintovers

Abstraction practice

Tell me if you are available to understand what is going on in the pic, I mean if you can distinguish what is in it,


The girl is referenced and the samurai not, it's original from my mind,

I know when cleaning up I should draw lines solid and clean. However should I be doing the same with my sketches? As in taking my time and trying not to chicken scratch even lightly? i notice i do that a lot while sketching and I want to be sure that isn't negatively affecting me

>>3363877
Where values of two areas are similar and/or the plane change is very gradual. Your hard edge on the nose doesn't make sense. Would make more sense if the hard edge was at the tip of the nose, not inside the form of the nose.

>>3362523
>http://quickposes.com
Will I get into trouble legally if I draw one of these and put it in my public portfolio?

>>3364015
>drawing of a stranger doing a dumb pose
>is now considered illegal

Are you 12?

>>3364039
If I were 12 I wouldn't care and it would honestly resemble nothing like the photo.

>>3364015
Real answer: the pose itself is fine to reference, any further and you may find yourself in hot water but honestly no one has the time to research to that extent.

>>3364060
I'm drawing one of the close-up portraits though.

>>3364065
Try not to, especially since it's public domain (easier for them to see that you're just studying a photo). But who am I kidding, you're probably gonna ignore this and do it anyways.

>>3364067
Oh, unless by "public portfolio" you just mean your website/blog that you're not exactly submitting to industries, then by all means go ahead but do credit the original image.

How do you do hair with a black pencil? I was thinking of blocking in the shades and then drawing strands of hairs and using an eraser to get the highlights.

Problem is my kneaded eraser is still kinda bulky and I can't get hair like precision.

Can someone give me advice or refer me to something that better explains 3 point perspective? I cant quite grasp how the vp for 3 point moves and how looking up and down or moving the object would change the perspective/lines like i can when thinking of stuff in 2 point or even 1.

Hey Thread, got a question for yea. Would any of you art bros be willing to give feedback on a learning anons shit? Feel free to shit post but, any actual critiques would be very appreciated. I find my hand is steadier with a pencil than on a tablet so I am trying to get used to concepts before I move on to the harder option. Digital art is cleaner and better ease of use, but my lines are so damn wobbly. I'm learning on paper for now, and my scanner sucks dick so it looks more like crap, but eh. I mostly focused on posing (foreshadowing, energetic poses, and such) and did a female character (women being a weak point for me, breasts, curves, hair). In case your curious character is a gender flip of an OC. Some glaring issues I see is proportions being off, mainly in the breasts. I don't know why but boobs are just hard to draw. I can kind of get one right in the profile, but the other in the middle of the body I have no idea what to do with. Thanks~!

H-how long will it take me to paint/draw like th-this?

>>3364096
O-or this?

>>3364096
>>3364098

What type of answer are you expecting? Definitely more than a couple of years of practice

How do you guys stay motivated? Is it normal to have to force myself to draw when I'm feeling like putting it off until tomorrow (again)?

>>3364104
I forced myself to draw but then started drawing things I liked alongside the forced stuff, and now I have fun drawing both boring analytical studies and personal drawings.

>>3364104
Definitely normal. It should primarily be treated as a habit you develop, not as something that's just fun.

>>3364102
OK i'll put it another way:
I have all the time in the world. NEET. If I drew every day, practiced most of my day (10 hours for example), how long do you think by average judgement I'd improve? Do the pictures posted require a level of inborn talent, or is it simply following a procedure and practice?

Something feels wrong with the pose and the neck. I dunno, maybe the character is off-balance. Ass-tearing crits welcome.

Just finished this thing, Hair is wonky I might study hair for a while.

>>3364104
It's not about motivation, it's about discipline.

Motivation is fleeting and will be the first thing that runs out once you realize the monumental endeavor you've taken. There are definitely times where you can have fun though, but I think it sucks the majority of the time to draw like shit. I stay disciplined by tracking every day that I draw at a minimum of one hour. I use an app called habit tracker. I think it taps into my gaming side that loves to keep track of stats.

>>3364108
If you could put in 10 hours daily of minimal interruption and focused study you'd be out of /beg/ at the end of three months for sure. Problem is it sounds easy on paper.

>Do the pictures posted require a level of inborn talent, or is it simply following a procedure and practice?
I would like to imagine it is a process of procedure and practice for my sake.

>>3364117
Forgot the ear, and I can touch up the lips I guess, her chin looks huge.

>>3364108
I'd say about 2-3 years if you're going the self-taught route and you really are putting in 10 hours a day, but I highly doubt anyone can go with that schedule so let's go with about 4-5 per day, which means about 4-5 years since part of the learning process involves subconsciously/unconsciously learning the materials.

>>3364117
>>3364119

Can you listen to music while drawing/painting? Podcasts? Or would that disrupt the process and focus? Even as background noise

>>3364122
I usually listen to j-pop or electronic. Usually no lyrics, or lyrics I can't understand. I usually tune it out when I'm focused on something, but music is known to be disruptive if you're struggling to focus.

>>3364122
I listen to podcasts. Yes it slows me down, but I don't think it hurts the quality.

Trying to learn for life with graphite. Having trouble shading. Can anyone give me some criticism?

>>3364151 Original image

Didn't align eyes correctly. Lips look shitty. Hair could be darkened in various areas. Well, on to the next.

>>3364162

>>3364162
Got a pic of the ref? Ears don't work like that.

>>3364164
>>3364163
Disregard my last post, but it definitely looks like you have some overall proportion issues, namely the eyes being too high and therefore the bangs being pushed too high up. You can also try fixing the part of the jawline that meets up with the ear, namely moving the ear up a bit and making the angle a smidge more angular. I hope that makes sense, if not feel free to ask.

>>3364170
Well it's too late to fix anything. I think I ended up blending the angle when I added shading into that region around the jawline and ear. I had to move the eye to the right at one point and I accidentally also pushed it up.

Measure. Measure. Measure. Thanks for the advice though, wouldn't have noticed the ear bit, I have to be careful when shading next time.

>>3364162
I'd like to see you exaggerate in oils.

>>3364177
Ah yeah, sorry. Sometimes I take a finished drawing and play around with it with the Liquify tool in Photoshop/Krita until it's closer to the original drawing and see where the problem areas are for next time. Just a fun little exercise.

It looked good enough for me at the start but then the abdomen became too stiff when I tried to draw it

I've been carefully selected as /ic/s new champion/alpha artist. So I figure to start things off why not start with some basic worship 101 by having everyone draw their new master. I want drawings, paintings, sculptures, etc. This board will be decorated with my presence! Draw my glorious face, kiss my pencils, and bow down!

Beanshitter here, these are shitty beans

>>3364267
Sorry, but I am unworthy of so much as sketching the outline of such a glorious god

>>3364151
I think the lack more contrast between the dark and the lights, you could use a black and white photo until you dominate it

>>3364269
what is the bean exercise? that wasn't in the sticky

how badly did I fuck up the perspective

When should I start considering buying stuff like posable figures?

>>3364117
if you draw a horizontal line right below the eyes, everything above that line looks great!

>>3364286
no need to

>>3364286
Just buy a girlfriend and u can use that

Is Loomis a meme or something? Why does /ic/ hate Loomis?

>>3364286
These are basically useless except for very limited purposes, for which you can get a cheap one. Not to say figma archetype and body-kun aren't fun to play with, but that's as a /toy/.

>>3364313
I think they just hate/scoff at when beginners go straight for Loomis without first getting a grasp on even more basic things and exercises (for which the top post has good resources), and shoot themselves in the foot. If i'm wrong and people actually dislike his advice then i dunno why, his stuff helped me a lot

>>3364313
>Why does /ic/ hate Loomis?
who the fuck are you referring to?

How do i into shading?

>>3364322
been lurking /ic/ for a week people keep referring to loomis in a condescending manner.

>>3364322
Andrew Loomis, you've probably heard of or seen recommendations for his art instruction books even if you forgot his name.
There have been a few posts recently dunking on people trying to use him as a crutch, those posts are what anon is referring to

>>3364337
Look up still life on pinterest and use those.

>>3362893
Found a pdf and starting to go through it
>The exercises and instructions in this book have been designed specifically for people who cannot draw at all
That's reassuring

work in progress. any tips?

>>3363077
>>3363085
thanks m8s, I will pay more attention to the perspective and details of the figures.

>>3364406
post the ref

>>3364428

>>3364431
Anyone have the bad attempts saved?

>>3364466
That thread was (mostly) pretty good though.

Is it a bad idea to study other people's studies? Not mine, obviously

>>3364477
Referencing studies in your own studies is good, but you shouldn't be copying the work of others unless it's one of the masters. I got some random book in Korea with a bunch of pencil portrait drawings and using it as a reference in my own studies has helped me learn a lot of things I normally wouldn't have.

Crits??

>>3364605
not /beg/

>>3364621
Ah, I often get told in the draw that to go back to the beginner thread, and this wasn't a piece that I put a ton of effort or time into. But then I post in the beginner thread and people tell me to go to the draw thread. Lol.

>>3364632
Obviously there needs to be an intermediate thread.

>>3364632
I’m sure that happened in the past but apparently right now even really shitty work is received there, judging from the last few threads when a bunch of very /beg/ people showed up and stayed. you’re certainly better than most of that pack, and more likely to get input there

Skull studies from these pretty cool 360 photos.
https://www.dlt.ncssm.edu/tiger/360views/masterindex.htm

>>3364640
Cool as hell studies and thanks for the link!

>>3362731
drawing figure mannequins won't go anywhere if the none of the forms start with any preconceived understanding of their proportional relationship.

How to improve proportions/eyeballing? After thinking I was good at eyeballing Idid the Rough Perspective Boxes stage (part 3 exercise 2) of Drawabox and I'm pretty terrible at it.

>>3364808
As far as I can tell you must just grind at it. Trying to come up with more efficient solutions over time.

>>3364836
Pic related. There must be some kind of exercise that is less complicated than this.

Fuck is a verb

>>3364860
Eh, It's rather simple compered to when you eventually move on to people.

>>3363684
Not posting to /ic/ for help no one here knows what they’re talking about go make real art friends with more experience than you.

Have I messed up the perspective?

>>3364640
Fuckin beavis n butthead skulls man

>>3364636
>Post your work faggot
>everyone sucks in the draw thread too

so suck on my farts and cry like a little bitch as I get so horny from having your dumb mom on my lap bitch cause I know you suck so quit telling people to leave the thread when they're probably better than you.

>>3364881
Looks like a cardboard cutout in isometric perspective.

>>3364905

How long until I can draw stuff that isnt fundie grindwork assuming i get 4-5 hours in every day?

>>3364951
Depends
What do you want to draw

How off is my perspective?

>>3364975
my goal right now is just being able to do /alt/ type stuff, not really anime or cartoons, but something similar to those

>>3364980
Hard to tell with every building being rotated, and every road curving all over the place. It definitely looks and feels completely and utterly wrong. Also, you have no 3rd perspective point, and usually at the scale of buildings you want to include it, even a little bit.

Also your lighting is terrible, there are back sides of buildings that are reflecting light.

>>3364640
thanks senpai, very useful

>>3364951
You don't need to grind fundamentals every day to know where they go. You just need to UNDERSTAND how they work. Once you do you can then stylized it and make it appealing for the viewer. Most infamous porn artist exaggerated the body to a point where it doesn't bleed all over the page.

>>3364988
I tried to do two point perspective, am i misunderstanding or did i just fuck it up?

>>3364980
the earth is round, not flat.

>>3364980
>>3364998
This is roughly your cone of vision from what I can tell. You've set up your canvas too far outside of it, which will distort a lot outside of it.
Your perspective lines are not lining up correctly. They should all meet up on the horizon line at the vanishing points.
I assume you wanted the buildings to be fairly even in size, but the one further back is twice as big as the rest.
Also the streets and ground are just bad. It looks like it's supposed to be a cityscape, but the streets are so crooked.

You need to study more perspective.

>>3365010
Thanks Anon

>>3365010
Another thing to mention, if the streets going into the distance are supposed to be paralel, they should meet towards the sun. As it stands, the streets sort of flare out from the position of the viewer

This is pretty much the first time I colored something and it went much better than I expected. I honestly thought It will turn out like that proko kangeroo.

>>3364867
Also I guess how are my values?

>>3364894
I never said everyone sucks in the drawthread (most regular posters are intermediate to advanced), I said that there’s several /beg/ tier people posting there and anon is more skilled than most of those people. i never even said they should leave that thread (although yes, some of their work is kinda shitty, i did say that. it’s true! sometimes beginners draw like beginners), my point was to convince anon they can post there without worrying.

tl;dr I’m not a crab anon chill

I know there is A LOT to improve, yet for now, I was wondering if anybody was willing to aid me in the points highlighted. HOWEVER, if this is inappropriate, I'm glad to consult something else. I suppose it's worth a try..!

is 3-6 hours of fundies a day a good amount of practice time for a beginner

OK I'm 3 days in these are the two drawings I'm not one hundred percent embarrassed by. How do I into proportion?

>>3365150
cheat and use gloves and shoes.

>>3365154
Even one hour is good you nigger. More is always better, provided you can actually use those hours productively.

>>3365154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-itooEWyQ9E

>>3365226
I dont get the logic part.

>>3365150
The hand needs to be about 2 times larger and the legs about 1.5 times larger for it to have normal proportions. Read up on proportions, anatomy and construction with your /ic/ meme book of choice and then make a drawing where you put effort into measuring things.

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>>3364605
Can't tell whether you used a reference or not, but they look kind of expressionless and disproportionate. The proportions aren't a big issue, I'd say the expressions are a bigger issue.

WIP

My first ever digital drawing work. Any thoughts?
This is far from being done, I still need to add reflections and connect the Tree with the ship below in a more meaningful way.

>>3362522
shading is hard

>>3363269
wait are you supposed to draw every picture he has in his book or are you just doing that for fun