/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3358767
Does life drawing only apply to people?

>>3358770
no.

Does this look alright? I think I fucked up the eyes or something but I can't tell.

>>3358862
your rendering and color should flesh out the figure, not just follow the strokes of your lineart
eyes are different shape.
flip canvas horizontal

>>3358766
3 drawings into Drawing with the right side of the brain and this is what I have to show
Do I have potential? How's my perceptual skills?

>>3358877
Reference

>>3358877
finish the book

>>3358879
Of course I will, it's just that it told me to do a few more upside down drawings of my liking and this is what I fancied.

>>3358877

>>3358881
That's a big hand

>>3358766

Some 2 minute studies. What's a good anatomy book for beginners? I've tried Bridgeman but he seems more for intermediate/advanced artists.

>>3358884
You don't need anatomy at that stage. You just need to get better at drawing and conveying the human figure. Vilppu or Loomis are good for that.

anyone got any tips on the anatomy before I paint this one?

>>3358884
Micheal Hampton has a fantastic book on drawing humans. He starts off with gesture and forms etc and eventually builds into anatomy. He keeps it very simple, good for beginners.

>>3358862
This thread is for beginners. You should be posted in Alt or Draw thread.

Anyone else hates doing lineart (digitally)? It always feels so tendious, boring, and I don't feel like doing anything else after working on lineart.

I'm thinking about focusing on "lineart-less" painting.

>>3358924
A lot of people feel that way.

>>3358924
It depends on what hardware you're using. If its on a tablet or a cintiq its ok, but if it's on a screen less tablet then it's a pain in the ass. That's why I do all the line art on paper first then scan it and paint on my tablet.

I think my heads are getting pretty ok. But tits and body need work. How much better at lineart do I need to get before I actually start painting?

>>3358942
>How much better at lineart do I need to get before I actually start painting?

I don't understand how you think the two are related at all

>>3358944
So I've got a good base to paint on if that makes sense. I've seen a lot of digital painting steps where they usually start of with lineart, then base colours, shadows and whatever else comes after.

>>3358944
youre not at the point to be worrying about crisp lineart yet

>>3358908
get some taste

>>3358942
>>3358767

Is this tutorial i made even good?
(I'm small don't make me cry please)

>>3358969
normies might like it.

>>3358924
>I'm thinking about focusing on "lineart-less" painting.
You mean render? You probably feel like this because you're bad at this. And its fine. Learn how to render and someday you will feel joy in what you're doing.

Fuck I've read it wrong.
>>3358985-fag

>>3358946
>So I've got a good base to paint on if that makes sense.
Clearly you don't. You don't know anatomy. Clavicles doesn't look like this IRL.Head looks like you traced the photo.

>>3358990
Reading comprehension needs improving.

Why is gesture so hard?

I know this is an obnoxious as fuck question, but where should I get started if I know pretty much nothing about color. I know the real answer is 'start coloring' but its like i'm playing with my turds over here. If anyone's got any good websites for references to practice values or anything like that I'd appreciate it.

>>3359049

Because there's no way of knowing if you're going in the right direction until you've made it.

>>3358942
lineart is the ability to put down clean and appealing lines on a page. Anatomy/gesture is completely unrelated, although you need to improve in both.

>>3359049

It's because it's intuitive and there's no handbook for it like perspective.

It took me a year to finally draw a figure using gesture first and that's me drawing everyday.

Ellipses in planes. (I did the planes exercise on a different page)

>>3359225
Pic

>>3358877
no stop

Is this stiff?

>>3359262
a little in the raised arm and shoulders

>>3359262
Yes

>>3357753
>>3357753
>>3357753

>>3359284
Dont think about it, literally meaningless unless youre using a crow quill

- What should I fix on the posture?

- how do I think of a background AFTER I have drawn the subject?


-What is done well?

I drew from imagination so I´d like some guideline on both what doesn´t work but also what I should keep doing.

>>3359291
k

>>3359233
wow rude

>>3359262
You have really cool curves but a standing position like that is always going to feel a bit stiff

Tried rim lighting and I suck at it. Any critiques other than the obvious anatomy flaws? Looking for lighting/value critiques specifically. This was a 2 and a half hour drawing so I'd like some actual critique and not just "hey looks good bucko".

Is "Drawing on the right side of the brain" a good book for someone starting from 0?
Seems to teach very little about technique

>>3359401
yes

I flipped the canvas after I finished and it looked real unbalanced. I tried making the stance wider but I think the problem was in the torso. It looks too long and it's too far forward, and if I moved it back a bit the figure would look fine with the original stance.
I have trouble with foreshortening, gesture and contrapposto, but I think once I iron those out I'll be golden.

New to drawing on tablet so I don't even have the fundamentals of drawing down so any help/criticism is welcome

especially need help with the sleeve

>>3359401
Not at all. It's psychobabble with bad exercises in it. Do Keys to Drawing instead.

>>3359463
The exercises are fine. Just ignore the right brain bullshit

Imagine if you could draw with 100% of your brain though

>>3359508
>variable percentage use of the brain meme
Imagine if you could use your ENTIRE nerve system to think! The possibilities! The power!

imagine if girls' hips were 100% of their size potential

>>3359523
Is her right leg protruding forward too much or too high up?
Is her arm too short between the shoulder and elbow?

Should I consider buying adderall? Can't stay focused on studies for more than an hour.

So, I'm completely new with illustrator and need some feedback.
I have this drawing of which i created this minimalist version, I eventually want to get it as a tattoo so what do you guys think?
Aside from some adjustments is there anything wrong or missing?

>>3358865

I see, thanks

>>3358908

Nah, if I posted there they'd tell me to come here

First time using a program (draw pile) and not pen and paper. Is there a better way to blend the colors?

>>3359745
watching a /co/ faggot fail at art is just magical

>>3359748
amen brother

is doing the upside down man exercise with other images a good way to break symbol drawing habits?

>>3359779
yep

>>3359782
neat, breaking habits and drawing things i like
2 birds one stone

I'm kind of at a learning impasse right now. I'm getting better at drawing the human face and eyes but I don't know what to do with the knowledge about perspectives, figures and gestures. What should I try to draw next, or should I try to draw all of them at once?

>>3359826
Faces and eyes fit into perspective, look for the horizon/eye level. Figures is advanced material. You can dip your toes in, but don't expect anything amazing. Best thing you can do is draw a lot of them with a focus on gesture. That means not worrying as much about anatomy and other such details. Draw whatever you want, just make sure to stick to it for a week or longer.

>>3359826
I don't think it really matters as long as you keep drawing and don't get complicit about it. pick something that interests you.

>>3358942
>eric started expanding into upper torsos
give it a few weeks before he reverts back to the same symbol woman from 3/4 angle over and over

So wait, Im not supposed to look at my reference so much while doing a gesture drawing? This place keeps telling me shit like "dude you should be looking at your reference more than your drawing!" yet that would seem counterintuitive to what they suggest for gesture.

>>3359883
You are, but you also need to be able to draw it right on your paper which is what really matters. If you think you can see gesture, you have to be able to draw it then. Gesture is all about what the reference is doing anyways.

i know this is shit but i wanted to practice drawing loomis heads from the loomis ball from the top of my head.
i sketched this in krita. i messed up the eyes and hair. im still reading FWAP

i just wanted to get a good grip on Loomis' balls so i can git gud

>>3359889
You can't resize your image with krita?
Good luck for your next iterations.

>>3359889
>i know this is shit

So what are you expecting from us?

>>3359892
>>3359892
>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.
>>3359891
i forgot to resize it, thats all. all i cared about was getting this out there

>>3359892
I'll sometimes post my garbage just to introspect

>>3359891
>>3359892
>>3359889
>>3359898
any other informative things to say...? i wanna know if im doing anything productive by doing this. im doing this 20 times a day, still do exercises from FWAP, and also do studies and read from Michael hampton

>>3359889

If you can't draw what you see don't even look at loomis.

for the 100092394885 times, sticky and keys to drawing.

>>3358942
>I think my heads are getting pretty ok

no

>>3359911
i didn't draw this from reference. stop recommending keys to drawing when we all used drawing on the right side of the brain

>sticky
...FWAP is a sticky. man i know we /beg/ artists suck but sometimes these criticism are just as shitty as our art

>>3359918

>i didn't draw this from reference.
>stop recommending keys to drawing when we all used drawing on the right side of the brain

You should stay here... forever.

>>3359925
i hope im being baited. i said in my post i drew this off the top of my head to practice the loomis ball. i knew it'd be shit but im more used to drawing from reference.
if i was drawing an actual person then yeah go ahead and tell me not to do loomis
>hating on drawing on the right side of the brain
>an /ic/ sticky recommendation
i may be garbage but not even i can spout lies such as that

>>3359918

>i didn't draw this from reference. stop recommending keys to drawing when we all used drawing on the right side of the brain

You clearly have no idea about anything. Keys and right side of the brain is similar. in fact keys is much simpler and easier to understand.

And judging by your drawing you didn't even read the first page of right side of the brain.

/beg/ truly has gone to shit lately. Even shittier than usual.

to OP, I truly miss the time when we all do thread studies. A lot of /beg/ with potential back then. There was shit but it's not filled with it.

>>3359929
>thinking because it's in the sticky that it is the absolute truth

>>3359930
i can show you proof that i read it. i skimmed through keys but it seemed even longer.

damn this is the second time this year someone questioned my proof that i did practice certain things. yes i may not have finished right side of the brain (out of fear of fucking up worse than i did with that loomis ball i just did) but i did do the exercises from it. now i know i fucked up from me not even being used to drawing in digital but im gonna prove all of you wrong.

honestly man at this point shit on me. shit on me hard. im gonna work until the day i fucking die to prove all of you motherfuckers wrong. i will not rest until i surpass everyone that ever doubted me. youre gonna see me here every day, love it or hate it.

>>3359745
Line variation bro gosh

Which Loomis book is a good place to start for a beginner? Is fun with a pencil OK, or should I choose a different one?

Who /nevergonnamakeit/ here?

>>3359960
just draw

>>3359994
Hello Brother!

>gonna be stuck in my 9-5 job for the rest of my life

A few drawing on the right side of the brain exercises I did a year ago

Posting since people didn't believe me

>>3360013
Are you gonna post <currentYear> work to show us an amazing amount of progress to motivate anon?

WIP -

Posting mostly to see if I can see it from a different perspective before I start rendering. Any critiques also welcome. Will post reference

Thanks to >>3357224 from last thread.

>>3360050

>>3360016
Here's a few present day exercised I did from Fwap. I'm still working through it

>>3360070
>>3360016
I had to walk my dog, hence why I wasn't here for a few minutes

I feel like I'm making a little progress here and I'm not too sure why. Maybe I'm thinking a little about form or the mess of lines is making my brain choose favourable ones

>>3360074
I fucked up trying to emulate what loomis did with pen. I'm a shit artist bug I'm much better in pencil

>>3360076
Drew bowser and baby bowser for fun. I love bowser, he's my smash main

>>3359889
>i just wanted to get a good grip on Loomis' balls
we all know that feel

>>3360078
Another loomis lady from FWAP

How do i get people to buy my art when im a beginner
I got into financial trouble and cant get a job due to mental issues and idk how else to pay my bills anymore

>>3360080
A live study in drawing class 2 months ago

>>3360084
No welfare for mental illnesses?

>>3360086
Another life drawing we were assigned. I had to draw a blanket, pitcher. And detergent bottle (on a wooden stand).

>>3360090
Ok, last one. We was assigned a vase, baseball, and some type of mini chest (my teacher never explicitly said what it was. Then again she was a nice but quirky Russian teacher)

>>3360092
Did you get an A on these

>>3360075
I like this, I can tell you're feelin it

>>3360102
Cheers comrade, appreciate the motivation

>>3360098
A-
There were much better people in the class. There was a nice old lady who had begun learning how to draw around the same time as me abd she drew some really beautiful faces and great shading.

I'm forever /beg/ tho. Any nitpicks on my classwork?

>>3360108
no clear light source, bad values and wonky perspective
it's nice that you finished a piece. more than many on this board can say

>>3359656
Why anon? Are you scared of words from anonymous people? Awww is /beg/ your safe space? Ok anon you can stay here. You don't have to go. You can go and play with the big boys when you're ready.

>>3358950
Stop being a crab you crab.

im finally deciding to buckle down. Im still relatively new to digital art so any quick tips over krita would help.

>>3360114
Thanks, I think my professor did mention sonething about my lighting. I need to finish more pieces. No positives right?

Can anyone advice me how to proceed from a simple stage? I keep getting stuck around this level then get major anxiety.

>>3360126
>simple stage
What?

>>3358878
Don't use terrible art as a reference for one and come back when you have done 300 drawings

Something a lil personal, every person ii draw I get this impulse to draw fangs, is this me being my comfort zone or some odd fetish

>>3360160
Alright cunt I'll be sure to keep count

>>3359529
yeah

At least my computer recognizes it as a face

>>3359929
your "loomis head" is very similar to the symbol drawn photos within the sticky. if you looked at it, would you be able to tell how symbol drawn it is? from your responses, that would be a no. to learn how to draw a face, you need more than just a loomis ball. the photo you uploaded is shit, if you want to get better, look at real life references and upload those. you're still symbol drawing, yet you're refusing to accept that, so
>stay here forever, anon

>>3360184
well i can tell you what i symol drew, because i will admit i cared more about getting the placement of my features down rather than the details themselves
>i know i drew the eyes unnaturally and boxy
>hell one eye was bigger than the other
>the mouth has too much detail, and drawn in such a way that it looks bent outta shape
>i didnt even bother with the hair
>ear is shaped kinda weird
>worst part is the nose, which i know i lazily symbol drew since i feel l like i havent practiced enough noses from proko's nose videos
not to mention my lack of experience with a tablet, hence shitty lines. i like my work over here>>336008 6>>3360090 >>3360092
>>3360078 better
i think i should stick to what i did here>>3360076 >>3360074
>>3360070 >>3360080 and still foloow instructional exercieses and do like you said and use references

i apologize for my immature behavior, i just get an urge to prove people wrong since i hate when people doubt me

sorry for blogpost, im gonna do that keys to drawing shoe exercise

>>3359947
>going to work hard until the day you die
>spent half the day arguing on the internet
>been here a year

ISHYGDDT

>>3360200
well now that i got my bitchiness and self doubts out (took breaks from drawing since i considered myself shit) just now i can focus. im already shit, what do i got to lose?

Can I just jump into more specific art books? I kinda just want to get started with Loomis' Figure drawings. I never make it through a beginners book cause I get so bored with the same shit. I'm thinking something more specific would be a better start.

>>3360115

I thought it looked wonky so I posted it here for criticism. I could've posted it there I guess. Does it really make a difference?

>>3360209
You still seem kind of bitchy. What do you have to prove? Who gives a shit?

No one cares about you, nor your art, nor your drive to get better. If you make it, no one will give a shit except for losers who follow art celebrities. The only reason to draw is if you like drawing.

I originally had to force myself to draw and I didn't like it very much. Having to face my shittiness made me feel shitty. However, as I got better at drawing, people around me...

Didn't give a shit. Literally no one cares. You think people who make it big draw because they draw for other people? If you want to do that, you should get a job as at Disneyland or something.

Your drawings look so awkward, you obviously know the correct techniques but you aren't very comfortable with them. Anyone can see you aren't very confident. Everyone draws differently, the artbooks recommended to you are meant to simply be a starting point for beginners to undrrstand the basics of drawing. Even if you follow the methods discussed in the books, you still have to remember this: The point of you drawing is that it is YOU drawing.

Now, I'm not saying to throw away all of your fundamentals and make spongebob quadruple penetration doujinshi, but you shoild be interpreting the methods and fundamentals you learn and internalizing them.

And example would be from my figure drawing teacher. He prefers to use vine charcoal because he can create light pentimentos and then go in with conte to further define the figure. I personally block in the basic proportions and gesture of the model and then define value shapes. One of my classmates just draws the line of action, then the contour and goes in with value and detail from there. These methods may be "correct" or "incorrect", but they are all valid interpretations of the original method we learned back when we started the class. And guess what? They all look good. And I wager that the artists enjoy making them that way.

>>3358969
You haven't drawn the eyelashes carefully enough, her lashes are thinner on the inner portion of the eye and thicker on the outer portion (which is true for everyone's eyelashes usually), but you've drawn them even throughout

any good video tutorials on faces for beginners? Going through loomis rn because I got the pdf

>>3360237
anon, are you psychic? You're right. I'm not confident in my drawings because I'm so worried i must be god tier at this point in time or else. I do have fun drawing, but I think I'm being autistic about my practice and confidence.

>I originally had to force myself to draw and I didn't like it very much. Having to face my shittiness made me feel shitty. However, as I got better at drawing, people around me...Didn't give a shit. Literally no one cares. You think people who make it big draw because they draw for other people? If you want to do that, you should get a job as at Disneyland or something

This is alarmingly true what you said. I was so worried about being in a cringe art meme of some sort that I started drawing to make other people impressed. You're right, even if I became good no one would care. I assumed talented people had everyone loving them, but now that I think about it you're right. For the audience, life goes on.
Thanks for the advice anon, I needed it.

>>3360237
Well said, honestly I think too many people delude themselves or something. They want to be that 0.1% of artists making 5k a month on patreon.

Get a real job and draw as a hobby.

>>3360243
tutorials do nothing. drawing from life teaches you much more than enough

>>3359401
Yeah it's better than Keys to Drawing imo. Dudes complain about the "psychobabble" but that stuff really helped me to understand the mental state you need to be in to draw well. I don't know or care if the science behind it is true but the experience is accurate.

>>3359889
you should practice from reference more first, you don't really even have a basic understanding of how a human face looks in three quarter view

>>3360271
alright

>>3360271
>>3360280
what about for things like shading and coloring?

>>3360289
Life

How's this?

>>3360295
Cute!

>>3360296
Thank you ^///^

>>3360179
It looks better than the last one bro, good work.

study of a beach, please dont destroy me

>>3360289
There is something to be gained from learning from others for sure, but books are usually better than tutorials. Tutorials are usually too short and most of the tutorials on YT are basically ads for online art schools. Books are easier to get and more in depth.

So I think I craked a little on the differences on comic vs manga.

Comics prioritize conveying mood or tone trough the framing, which is why a lot of pages feel loaded. Like in a visual novel, where they have weird bent angles with composition, like trying to make each frame as artsie as it can.

Manga prioritizes reading flow, which while makes a lot of panels flat it becomes easier to digest and to read.

I like comparison of east asia vs western writting system, that with chinnese letters they can convey more and are more compact but it takes a lot more time to read each character, while western pragraphs take more space they are way easier to speed-read trough them.

>>3360295
fat arms, dumb hands, fabric don't stretch that way

>>3360336
By your descriptions, the writing analogy is reversed, no? If comic panels are more like individual illustrations that are hard to read but convey a lot of info, and manga panels are low detail and meant to carry the reader quickly through the page, then asian writing system which uses complex, high info characters is like comics, and western writing system which is easy to speed read is like manga. comics=asian writing, manga=western writing

But this probably isn't the best way to think about this. Honestly, manga are just Japanese comics.

>>3360347
yeah is reversed.

And no, there is more to it than
>it just has anime tiddies
If you have read manga and comics you can quickly tell the difference

>>3360295
Burne hoggart eat your hearth out!

>>3360289
you can supplement concepts with books (sparingly) but the bulk of your learning should be from life

>>3360312
thunders under the water

Alright really stupid question here, when it comes to coloring a figure with a noticeable black outline around them how do you add color and proper shading without messing up the outline you drew beforehand? Talking about digital stuff here only, not traditional.

>>3359194
>there's no handbook for it like perspective
Is the Vilppu Drawing Manual not exactly that?

>>3359262
3/4 will make you think that but no

the pose doesn't seem to have symbol drawing and not standing in a weird unatural way

>>3360359
you put the lineart on a transparent layer, you lock the transparency, and you put it above the color layer/s. fi you want to use big soft brushes for the shading you can use masks.

>>3360304
that's not how clothing works

>>3360371
high quality critique

>>3360440
Your foldings and wrinkles are horrendous, they seem to not be affected by gravity, just look at the end of that dress, some marilyn monroe shit going on and the tits are vacuum sealed. learn anchor points you mongoloid.

read this : >>/ic/thread/S3349311#p3351538

or use references

now do you want me to read it for you like it was a bed time story as well?

Some days I want to fucking scream.

>>3360336
>I like comparison of east asia vs western writting system, that with chinnese letters they can convey more and are more compact but it takes a lot more time to read each character, while western pragraphs take more space they are way easier to speed-read trough them.
That's a very good illustration... and its probably why Asians use a .5mm while guys like Bill Watterson opt for a 2mm clutch pencil.

Is it bad practice to not finish your paintings? I feel like I have nothing to gain by finishing this.

What do you think of my coloring? Is the ground too grey?

Two months ago I started doing Draw a Box and stopped a dozen hours into lesson one, but am looking to pick it back up again. Should I start back where I stopped, redo everything, or just do an abbreviated "recap" of the scant material I covered?

Obviously, art involves a lot of grinding so I'm willing to spend the time redoing stuff, but for Draw a Box the author says something to the effect of not spending too much time on the exercises, which is why I ask.

>>3360353
I don't get it. Are you making a comment about anatomical problems?

>>3360654
I think the fundamentals are definitely worth recapping briefly on principal alone. It's important to hammer some of the fundamentals down. But I don't think draw-a-box teaches any fundamentals worth remembering, I view draw-a-box more as an introductory course that says "drawing is easy and fun and anyone can do it".

Fundamentals are really more about
- measuring
- getting gestures and laying down your framework
- getting the mass and form correctly
- light and shadow

Lesson one is more about handling a pencil. I'd say do it lightly if you feel unsure, but don't dwell on it.

>>3359947

do it right. you don't fucking learn shit by skimming. especially when it comes to drawing. failure is part of the learning process.

the only proof I need is your drawing. its shit. it lack any kind of knowledge. and like every moron in here you jump to advance subject too early then get butthurt when others give you advice.


how do people build house that last for hundreds of years? by building a fucking strong ass foundation. the same thing applies to drawing and painting.

getting good at observing is the foundation of drawing. those books guide you on how to train the way you see things.

stop whining, put away your useless pride and fucking practice you fucking fuck.!

As a total beginner, can I start with fun with a pencil instead of drawing on the right side of the brain?

I feel like i'm doing too much.

>>3360806
you can. but betty edwards is a very good start. if you like you can skip some of the reading in there, if you like, you just need to get the point about symbol drawing and do the exercises. especially the ones involving measuring.

I was last told to add facial detail and all that felt right was this scuff mark..
But now we have a swanky background

tips on getting lineart to feel like the sketch?

>>3358862
Patrician taste, my negus.

im gonna do fun with a pencil and keys to drawing at the same time. i wanna study and break symbol drawing but also have fun. anything else i should do?

>>3360877
what is it you want to draw when you eventually have enough skill? draw that now, alongside your studies.

How far can the sticky take me?

>>3359226
Don't just do rectangles, do squares as well. I realize perspective will skew them a little but 9/10 of those are rectangles.

>>3360877
Do the upside down exercise with images you like.

>>3360910
ignore it and do this. i have gotten good results

>>3360303
Thanks lad! I will do a couple more of those renditions and work on hair after.

>>3360810
Peeling off the skin and drawing every muscle is a waste of energy. There are some critical muscles that might shape the face, but you should look for those when you're looking at references.

>>3360927
Why isn't keys to drawing the first book

>>3360940
Incidentally I read keys to drawing before I found that image, so I would recommend reading it first too.

>>3360940
because it's a stupid list

>>3360927
>>3360940
Also need to add Steve Hustons book as one of the first 3 or 4 books to read. Easily trumps other figurative drawing books, especially for beginners. The book is easy to understand and he's just a great teacher whose learned how to get His message across extremely well.

>>3360927
post your work

>>3360927
>the fastest way to draw
>takes over 60 days straight of drawing.

Hi, I just did this and have some questions, first is I made the drawing probably too small and how to fix that when I finish drawing, also is there a good way to draw magic/spell effects ?

any other suggestions are welcome too, I'm way too green in this digital stuff

>>3360960
anything worth doing requires at least 60 days of doing it you fucking retard

Here is another value study. A little messed up, but now I feel the form better, i think.

>>3361057
what's your workflow, i think with a few methodological changes you might do a lot better

>>3360255
You're struggling with stigma. Whenever you have a moment where you look at your drawing and don't want to continue it, just take a deep breath and bite the pillow.

>>3361072
Well, I construct and then overpaint it. I guess my construction need to be better.

is there a guide to gesture drawing?

>>3361148
the drawing isn't so bad, not accurate obviously., but fine. the painting part is where you might need to change it up

>>3360356
thx, this was the type of criticism I was looking for.

Hello! I'm new to drawing, so I'd thought I'd post some of my work here for critique. I know I'm kinda shit, so I'll be happy for any help I can get. Thanks in advance for any advice.

>>3361057
your background values are not the same. when you try to choose values for the subject it's going to be fucked, it's not really fucked here (only slightly) but that one step sets up your value perception in the long run of the painting

>>3360638
Nice values. I think it's not necessary to finish all your paintings as long as you finish some of them.

Trying to mess around with water color

>>3360927
Ignore the part where you need to buy a whole bunch of expensive shit, just use traditional ink and charcoal in the beginning

Simple phone background I made, what should I do to improve

>>3361256
Sticky will tell you everything you need to know to improve on your current work

Wagecuck here. Just got home from work and too tired to draw. I don’t think I’m gonna make it

>>3360927
>howtoquitdrawing.jpg

>>3361284
I wish I had work, lol. Really the only good thing about being unemployed is I have time to draw.

oi lads, thanks to the new krita update i felt like finishing a drawing i started some months ago, but i'm not feeling confident with coloring and shading. Is my shiftry ok? thoughts?/criticisms? thx

>>3361297
I like your linework. Colors seem fine to me, but I'm no great colorist myself so take my opinion with a mound of salt.

>>3361284
I try to log one hour a day minimum in drawing time. Usually I'll lose myself a bit once I start and draw 2-4 hours, sometimes though I hit that one hour and withdraw. Better than nothing though.

>>3360312
Everything looks really worked on except the sand. The sand looks like a subtle gradient and then a splatter brush. Except you made all of those dots by hand.

How can I improve?

>>3361319
I hear practice is a good way.

>>3361297
It looks fine, but at the end of the day it's just a bunch of triangles really.

>>3358766
>>3358767
>http://drawabox.com
>Controversial yet helpful introductory course
Just wondering what other people think of this statement. Is it the general consensus?
Been looking at the tutorials for 2 months now and while it helped a ton with understanding forms and volume, I always feel like my approach to drawing doesn't feel as intuitive anymore

>>3361360
Usually a beginners intuition is completely and totally wrong anyways, ala symbol drawings. That fact that your methods don't feel intuitive is probably a good thing since it means you're being deliberate. The reason drawabox is controversiol is because the artist that wrote the course is pretty shit.

His course is only good for giving a bit of guidance to beginners and getting them to understand whether drawing is for them. I guess you also learn a bit here and there but it's mostly useless or incredibly generic.

>>3361360
Controversial because the artist behind it isn't very creative. He is the extreme epitome of the /ic/ mindset, very analytical and study oriented, but not very creative.

Okay I'm going to man the fuck up and read the goddamn book.

>>3360960
You're not going to be good at anything with that mindset.

>>3361291
What? If you can't follow something as simple as that image, you might as well give up now. Every one of those books holds your hand and takes all the guesswork out of improving. Honestly if can't study and practice fundies for one measly year, you're never going to make it. It takes much, much longer than a year to get anywhere decent. Art is a lifelong craft. You don't just become amazing in a few years and reap the rewards for decades to come.

>>3361386
>extreme epitome
Holy redundancy batman.
>>3361360
His first few lessons are great. Some people don't like him because welcome to /ic/. Everyone is controversial. For every 3 people that love an artist, there is 1 person tearing that artist down.

This is all the same model. It was my first life drawing session.
The black and white was when I said "fuck crayons" and was getting tired.

>>3361479
https://imgur.com/a/B1F2I

Just for fun

>>3361479
>https://imgur.com/a/B1F2I
did the naked lady butt make you horny

>>3361496
MOOOOODS

>>3361500
surprisingly, no.
First time I've seen a woman naked though.
Pretty happy it was her though, she was very pretty.

>>3361500
>>3361506
I'll correct this. I saved all my horny juice for later.

>>3361452
>His first few lessons are great. Some people don't like him because welcome to /ic/.
Some people don't like him because he's making at least $2k/month by stealing a course and giving a watered down version of it where the warmups are turned into the focal point. It's a noob trap where you see people draw boxes or shapes or lines for months, never improving but still grinding.

Critique?

>>3361535
Draw a full body for this character. I like it.

>>3361255
and pirate pdfs of the the books like a normal person

Today's effort. Nothing really clicked.

>>3361218
I like the idea behnid this, but the Tori are at weird angles. Looks like everything is falling over.

>>3360922
>>Shadman

>>3361516
I don't think he explicitly says do the box exercises and only the box exercises whenever you draw? Pretty sure they're just there for a 15-20 minute warm up. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
>>3361509
Find yourself a nice clean sexy escort anon.

What did I fuck up? I found one mistake already but there are more. The top window and bottom window/door look completely wonky together.

>>3361568
don't know where to find one.

>>3358862
Looks good to me. My only critique would be not to render everything equally. Lots of people fall into that mistake and it is not the best design choice. The difference between art germ and someone who is slightly better than him is the fact that he renders everything equally instead of having a focal point. Paint more like Frazetta, less like a 3D rendering engine. All in all though very nice design and appealing drawing good job man

>>3359918
Sometimes? Feels more like 99% of the time people doing the critiques are just as bad or worse than the people who are putting up artwork.

>>3360295
It’s a little flat but not bad!

>>3361569
Well the slope of the roof would technically reach a vanishing point rather than crossing but no one‘s going to notice or care I think this is about as good as you can get in terms of technically accurate.

>>3360312
This is /beg/ tier? Fuck me

>>3361577
look up reviews and stuff to avoid scams

draws circles once

>>3361604
40-50% of the things in here aren't /beg/ tier but people are too prideful to tell them to leave.

>>3361618
you can actually find reviews on prostitutes?
I live in the US. I might be sheltered or something, but I'm not even two degrees away from someone who's had sex with a prostitute (as far as I know).

>>3361631
if you're looking for advice, practice over and over.
Do nothing but circles for like 15 minutes at a time, do it while listening to a podcast

just got a tablet. painting is hard ;_;

>>3361583
That's because literally everyone in this thread is a beginner. I always assumed this was a thread for beginners to critique each other, which is why I don't take the detailed critiques as serioisly as the more concise ones.

Just finished this yesterday, pretty happy with how it turned out. Reference on the right.

how to details?

>>3361742
looks good compared to the reference but it need more details like the horse head or the warrior.
using a softer graphite as 3b,4b+ you can make better shadows and give it a better depth effect with properly shadows.
A better practice is using an photo as reference.

Forgot to stop and think before going on to render. Well, here's my face of the day. Hair was wonky and out of frame and would have been hard to get down right unless I shaded the background black and had a white pencil or something.

>>3361755
Thanks for the input anon, I'm just starting out and I felt that a photo might be a bit too much this early on. I see what you mean with the shadows though, looking at it now they do seem too light.

>>3361759
this is the diference between using a 4b vs hb for shadows ,looks a bit blurry due to the camera

can i get some critiques before I keep going? Ignore the hair, I'm still working on the form of the hair. I'm mostly worried about the facial features and if the hands are proportional to the face.

Drew some anime

Im very new to drawilng, and I just finished drawing this in photoshop what do you think /ic/

Does anyone have a finished version of this done with pencil? I wanna see how it's supposed to look like.

I'm really bad at coloring in my art. Any tutorials or tips for coloring, preferably in photoshop or with colored pencils?

>>3361698
Give it a try using this method. The top is the guide and the bottom was my first attempt at it.

>>3358766
ignore text.
How do I paint feathers and add lighting and everything like Nullghost?

>>3361931
>I WANT PEOPLE TO CHECK OUT MY TWITTER
>I'LL STICK IT OVER THE MIDDLE OF THIS SHIT ART PIECE I DID IN 10 MINUTES
>I'LL ALSO PUT IT IN THE FILENAME TOO
>SHIT I DONT WANT TO SEEM LIKE I'M SHILLING MY TWITTER SO I'LL TELL PEOPLE TO IGNORE IT

>>3361935
I am trying to advertise my twitter. just too lazy to remove text
What are you up to

i'm somewhat happy with this one, but i feel there's a lot of critical stuff to do better. The fabric aespecially feels all kinds of wrong, but i can't figure out how to get it right. Some tips?

Oh also the arms/hands are all wrong too, but i know what to do for those (study anatomy better)

>>3361931
>How do I paint feathers and add lighting and everything like Nullghost?
Simple! Grind fundies 4 years.

>>3361944

>>3361945
There is no instant solution, really, if you want Nullghost level. I'd say 1 year is required to understand shadow and light. First half a year you read "How to Draw" by Scott Robertson, second half "How to Render". Boom, you're now have power over lighting. You can read some "fast tuts" on twitter/facebook/pinterest, but they're all shit.

>>3361936
>what are you up to
not much hbu? x

>>3361951
Literally first time making this and either im delusional or I'm fucking understanding it real quick holy shit. Than kyou so much. am doing more

Don't kick too hard, I've not done this before. I think I'm making progress. Took about 3 hours in totall.

how do you even draw a gun?

>>3362198
How do you draw anything?

>>3360858
vary line thickness to not lose the depth that sketches usually have

>>3362198
https://sketchfab.com/models/76fc96f45c7c420dad412fdf6dfd2947

>>3362230
/3/ pls go

I've read Drawing n the Right Side. Should I move on to Keys of Drawing? I heard it was a must read but also heard the 2 books are basically the same.

>>3362242
>Drawing n the Right Side
Its not bad, but without real techniques, perspective and muscle drawing anatomy you art will be flat. Don´t depend on only one technique or you´re screwed.

Right now, my end goal is video game art. (Final backgrounds, icons, portraits, sprites that are used in game) I have skimmed through Keys, Drawing on the Right Side, How to Draw, How to Render, Dynamic Figure Drawing, Figure Drawing for all it's worth, and Color and Light. I'm not a complete beginner, I am decent at rendering, sketching, and drawing from life. After seeing all of these books, I've decided that the most efficient books and order would be

-Half of How to Draw
-Half of How to Render while reading the other half of How to Draw and referencing back to the early chapters when needed
-Dynamic Figure Drawing and finishing up How to Render
-Dynamic Hands and Dynamic Anatomy
-Dynamic Wrinkles and Drapery and Color and Light at the same time

6 books, and I assume 1-2 years. Can someone critique my book plan?

which ones is better?
rate?
crits/advice?

>>3362292
The one that has more time spent on it

>>3362292
They're both not great.

>>3362283
>I am decent at rendering, sketching, and drawing from life
Post work.

trying something new
any crits? and dont say something offensive like "draw from life" or "read keys to drawing", just be nice.

>>3362296
>>3359392
From imagination

Pic related is from life, my own hand. When I'm back home, I can post more work.

>>3362301
>any crits?
>no crits though only kiss my ass
This better be bait!

>>3362305
these look cool looking (visually)

>>3362322
crab

Just started doing the guide. Am I fucked?

>>3361814
Rikka is autistic.

>>3362324
Okay but I was asking for a critique on my book schedule not the drawings.

>>3362330
i love it, don't lose what makes you unique and you're sure to make it. maybe try painting, this distorted style is big right now

Is negative space the same as drawing silhouettes?

>>3362328
fag

>>3362330
>im new to drawing
>i suck because im new
>guys do i suck?

What do you think? Just draw more and you'll suck less.

>>3362301
hey guys could you please crit my work?

>>3362301
>>3362352
Do bargue plates so you can learn to measure proportions better. Everything in your pic is symbol drawn so you shouldn't be working from imagination. Line quality sux too.

It's not bad for a piece from imagination, but believe it or not, you can draw from imagination without symbol drawing. It's called a visual library and you can obtain one from drawing from l- oh wait.

>>3362358
stop bullying, i came here for advice not insults like you are giving. why is it so hard to be nice?

>>3362359
Where was I mean to you?

>>3362343
I wasn't critiquing you retard

>>3362360
when you clearly insulted my work, obsercvation skills and line quality. i've been drawing for 4 years, i know more than you so dont get cock kid. crab.

>>3362363

>>3362349
By definition, yes, but the way I think of negative space is that it can exist within an object, as the space between shadow shapes or light shapes, etc. If you think of negative space as a silhouette, then you're kind of limiting its uses.

>>3362359
>>3362363
okay this is bait
noone else reply to this man's posts

>>3362362
Yes but I'm asking for one.

>>3362301
>trying something new
Which is?

>>3362375
heads drawn from that angle

>>3362378
>>3362358

Am I cheating myself by not drawing circles by hand?

Not perfect but gonna practice more.

>>3362301
need crits

>>3362391
here u go

I'm learning from Drawabox the traditional way. On which lesson should I switch to digital?

>>3362386
>he doesn't use the head method
>>/out/

I feel like I need criticism moving forward. I'd have liked to have known what the problem with this drawing was sooner, maybe from my own assessment, but I don't believe I can find the problem myself. At the same time, I know it's a flawed and unattractive drawing.
Can I get a fresh pair of eyes to explain why? Be as honest as you can, I would never detract from a critic

>>3362406
eyes are too high, hands look weird and he looks stiff

>>3362386
Might as well start now.

>>3362409
thank you. I have an incentive to study hands & gestures - what sort of resources do you think would be good at this level of drawing (where it's only marginally different from an abomination)?
Should I just keep studying from life and references to improve my visual library, or is there an exercise with construction I should be doing?

>>3362406
Where's his other leg? And that leg looks too short, my brain doesn't buy it, especially that foot, it's too straight. In fact his posture is too upright. And is his ear on top of his hair or what? And fix that hand, either his fingers are too long or his wrist isn't angled right.

>>3362406
Have you been reading anything lately?

>>3362413
You should be applying constructive drawing principles to your observational work at this point. Also I think now is a good time to start learning how to render. A good quality of light would push the few certain details of this that are actually ok

>>3362416
I've been reading. I'm not certain if you mean Art Instruction or not. But I've recently finished Sabato's "The Tunnel" and I am now walking through Nostromo by Joseph Conrad
>inb4 of course i meant art instruction
Hm. I'm trying to engage with Zin Lim and Michael Hampton's videos if that counts

>>3362421
Michael Hampton figure drawing book is pretty informative.

>>3362424
Yes, definitely
>>3362418
>>3362414
>>3362409
>>3362416
Thanks for all the help. I think I'll abandon this now and do some observational drawing/ read Michael Hampton. Sorry if I whitespaced this thread any great amount, not what I intended to do - at the same time I'll probably be back next week, it seems

reference training: froggo edition

need new thread

>>3362522
>>3362522
>>3362522

>>3362522
>>3362522
>>3362522

>>3362522
>>3362522
>>3362522

>>3362525
need new thread headass