/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

What happened to the guy who made the OP pic? Everything except his instagram is wiped clean.

@themichaelmacrae for the curious

It's also weird how he has an incredibly tiny amount of followers on all of his accounts. You'd think someone like that would have tens of thousands.

>>3356236
last thread was a disaster, heres a drawing

>>3356236
WIP

>>3356253
EL GOBLINO

>>3356243

Picked this up from the last thread:

>Bet you're the guy who was doing the animal->girl transformation image a couple of weeks ago(?).

>different anon


I don't know. He seems to be kind of secretive or shy about his stuff if he's going to lie about that shit. Weird.

>>3356243
Some people don't wanna be famous anon.

>>3356243
He’s probably just not promoting himself on instagram or interested in doing so; must get work through other avenues. His drawings are barely tagged and not in any searchable way which supports what I’m thinking

>>3356243
You came on too strong, anon.

>>3356290
I ctrl+f searched that and I think you misinterpreted. "different anon" was referring to "I'm not the guy that commented before, but I want to add to your conversation" about whatever.

>>3356244
not sure if I'm picturing the hand position wrong but I think you've drawn it backward if that's the thumb facing forwards in the image

>>3356509

You're probably right looking at the whole conversation again. This guy is really good. I'm happy to see we have some professionals here.

>>3356526
It's not backwards, he just oversimplified/ didn't finish the palm of the hand

>>3356686
whats that lump at the bottom then if not their thumb at the front?

>>3356720
If its not that it must be his thumb from the back...

>>3356720
Oh okay I see where you're getting hung up, so that line you're seeing as his whole thumb is just a tangent between his palm and the line delineating his thumb touching his chin. That's why tangents are important to avoid.

>>3356720
It's the inside of the thumb, I see what you mean but you can tell by the way the tip of the thumb is shaped. At least that's how I view it, either or it's still a shit hand which needs work done to it.

>>3356736
Posting mobile so file could be weird but I added two lines that help break up that tangent

decided to work on a sequential piece to my 1 hour study turned edgy pic from >>3355007
I'll probably finish it tonight after work if I'm free but appreciate any tips especially on if the perspective works or not.

>>3356739
The problem comes from the lack of information on the palm or back of the hand, however you view it, there isn't any shading or at the least contour lines to describe what is being seen. But as I view it more it may be the back of the hand because you can see the knuckles which means he fucked up the anatomy either way.

>>3356759
So the whole drawing is shit now, I guess?

>>3356778
That's not what I said, I'm just pointing out a fault within the drawing, trying to help... But keep making assumptions, putting words in other people's mouths if that makes you feel better.

>>3356787
>that's not what I said
No shit dumbass, I guess your words can't be interpreted any differently than exactly written. You're the word of God after all, anon.
>The anatomy is fucked in this one particular line
>Absolutely no critique of the other 150 lines

It's almost like every critique of my work is a reflection of the reception of my work on a larger scale

>99% is perfect but this 1% I feel is wrong so your work is shit Brian

Literally nobody else gets critiques like this except me in public and on the internet. Honestly I should off myself cause I'm never gonna make money doing this

>>3356792
Lol, spaz much? I give constructive criticism so you can improve but you disregard it and get aggressive when you're wrong. This is no way to improve and only hinders progress. But if you want my advice as whole then I would recommend working on finding a different style because what you're doing now is mediocre and I don't see your style going anywhere in the future.

>>3356802
Quite the prediction! Guess I'll just have to prove you wrong, huh?

>>3356806
As long as you're always trying to improve and don't stick to one formula where you hit your peak, stagnate and even get worse as time goes on then you should be able to prove me wrong.

>>3356809
Sorry I just got blindsided at the idea that you saw a line I drew with a pencil and had such a negative reaction to it. It's amazing really. That you think drawing "the right lines" matters that much.

>>3356809
I mean this guy literally saw one line on the hand I drew and said the "anatomy is fucked" like holy cow

>>3356846
>youmustbenewhere.jpg

>>3356846
i assume they mean the anatomy of the hand, you need to good lord, even if he did trash your style and art this is 4chan, don't take it so personally

those addition did help however, it needed the shading and palm line to suggest it was behind rather than in front

>>3356856
*need to chill

>>3356856
I know but this is why fine artists don't like posting on /ic/. You guys just can't handle the idea of an artist that leaves things out of their drawing even though they could "fix it" if they wanted to. I literally added two tiny lines and it was suddenly up to your guys' standards. That's an illustrators mindset. That every artist should work to 100% of their knowledge at all times and never leave things up to interpretation.

>>3356871
As a counterpoint to this though, it's part of why you guys are so critical of contemporary fine artists. They aren't actually capable of more than they are showing. They paint one line on a canvas and call it done then have the nerve to say "but I could do more if I wanted to". So I understand the hesitance towards my work and why illustration can seem at times more honest, cause illustrators never try to be something they arent

>>3356871
You were arguing with one guy. The hand just doesn’t read well. IMO the hand doesn’t read well not just because you imply a line between the wrist and inner thumb so that it reads like the thumb’s first knuckle, but also because you gave the pinkie the size and length of an index finger. Also clean your goddamn thumbnails it’s fucking disgusting.

>>3356883
I gotta stop replying to crits cause it's like talking to a wall that always wants the last word

>>3356050
the pattern looks more complex than the rest of the design, maybe you can simplify it a bit or not outline in black? like pic

Just started drawing an elf from wow, any advice? I know i need to make the ears and eyebrows larger

>>3357060
Work with larger shapes and more varying value. Ears should start lower

>>3356316
Wat?

value study. how do you guys approach simplifying values for areas that are not the focus of the piece? how do you make something look simple without it also looking like crap?

>>3357060
push your values. your value range is really small. dont paint against a white background -- it makes it hard to judge your values. try scrubbing the canvas with some desaturated midtones at the start of the pic, or right after you've done your initial sketchy lineart. if i were you id hold off on colors altogether for now and just focus on drawing skills and values.

>>3356253
really stiff pose that doesnt convey an action or attitude.

>>3357116
use 5 values maximum (2 dark + 3 light or 3 dark + 2 light), group shadows into larger shapes

>>3357123
>use 5 values maximum
Lol what

>>3357125
Yeah idk where that guy even found that advice

>>3357125
>>3357127
advice given by Ryan Lang and I'm more than willing to take it

>>3357123
so for example, shadows could be a range between 20-30% grey while lights could be between say 50-70% grey? is that what you're saying?

>>3357132
You shouldn’t if he doesn’t even follow it. You’re probably taking it out of context.

>>3357137
>shadows could be a range between 20-30% grey
oops, meant 20-40% grey.

>>3357137
oops, meant 20-40% grey for shadows and 50-80% for lights

>>3357137
>>3357150
The values you pick depend on the effect you want, but he also blends to show form. The initial step is really simple though. First 3 things are slides he made as examples, bottom 2 are examples of him working like that
>>3357139
He follows it pretty well during the online class he gave once, but since he's very color focused he starts adding atmospheric things pretty quickly and then moves onto more rendering which gives the illusion that there's far more value than what he started out with.

>>3357156
thanks for the explanation anon. ill see if i cant find some of his tuts/lectures online.

>>3357132
I think he probably means use 5 initial values during the block in stage, not for the final

>>3357165
He does a lot of additional work while rendering but that's a whole different thing.

newbie here, how do i improve this?
I recently acquired a wacom drawing tablet and don't know how to improve from here

>>3357342
>>>/beg/

hardround practice

>>3357374

>>3356848
He's far from new. I assume it's the same dude who made a lot of poorly constructed sketches of baristas last time I was here. He seems to take criticism poorly and is very rigid and set in his ways. I mean if you don't care about skills Brian then go ahead and continue. But if you want to improve; start by being honest with yourself. That sketch is wonky and just shows your lack of understanding of form, proportions, anatomy etc. Not trying to make you feel bad but If you keep this aversion to constructive criticism up you'll go nowhere.

>>3357385
cool

here's a new thing I'm working on

>>3357385
>constructed
>proportions
>anatomy

yup it's /ic/ alright

>>3357392
well that's just terrible

>>3357395
its anime

>>3357403
man we really are going thru some sort of growing pains with all this anime shit

>>3357394
I rarely browse here. I do paint a lot though and am actually quite skilled. I learned through being able to reflect on my mistakes and weaknesses. Studying a lot etc. I think you'll figure things out if you really want to and have the patience and introspection that is needed. Is what I said indicative of being an /ic/ cultist or whatever then so be it.

>>3357439
If it weren't for my drilling self doubt, self_sabotage and chronic depressed state I'd might even "make it". Can't even post the work I've dedicated so much time to. A ghost among ghosts. We all have our problems I guess but I don't mind being in the shade. For now. I like seeing people improve and I want people to improve. It's a fun path and to me reaching goals are what gives life some meaning.

I wish I was a pretty goth cat girl princess. Unironically.

>>3357392
Love the body, hate the face

>>3357577
ear is too high and small and the cast shadow of her face on the neck doesn't have the same direction than the nose on her cheek

>>3356236

>>3357815
Thumbnail looks better

>>3356856

Just came into this thread and HOLY shit.
Is this bait?

You are never ever gonna make it anon.
You think to yourself that you are a genious I see, you can't take criticism for shit.

Fuck you, go draw abstract shit sketches with no fundies to the playground.

>>3357971

I meant to send it for:
>>3356846

still working on it

>>3357979
not really a landscape is it

>>3357891
True, I rarely push to a finish.

>>3358032
you should try and finish it. it's not like the thumb is ok and the picture is a bit worse, the thumb looks great and the picture looks terrible.

>>3358032
how was my comment crabby kek
>>3358039
I was going to say this, but i knew it wouldn't go down very well

>>3357392
So, this is pretty bad. But, it's actually interesting. Push whatever you're doing here, be exceptionally critical of the quality, use reference, and you'll end up with an audience.

"Death to America"

>>3357123
is this what you mean?

>>3357979
where are those pools of light on the ground coming from? is it supposed to be daylight?

>>3358085
Take it to /beg/

>>3357815
Try to erase some lines, mostly on the inside, I think bottom shadow could be a bit darker and cooler

I hope this looks like the same character

wip. yeah, no head, gimme opinions besides that. do legs look ok? i had some troubles with this foreshortening

>>3357815
Try to erase some lines, mostly on the inside, I think bottom shadow could be a bit darker and cooler

<- I hope this looks like the same character

>>3358300
uh ohhhh

>>3357971
This is actually good advice Brian. Humble yourself and accept reality already.

>>3358308
so in your eyes this is a bad painting? just flat out bad. Absolutely nothing redeeming about it?

>>3358308
and on top of that, you think this painting from 2014 is EQUALLY as bad? There was no improvement? And if anything I've gotten worse? If yes, I'll quit art forever. I've needed someone to set me straight because I've been on the wrong path. I get worse and worse every day but I need to hear it from someone who knows what they're talking about

>>3358297
the legs look okay to me although the kneecaps being straight up circles is kinda weird. I think you have some proportion issues (look @ that bigass hand/arm) but overall I like it.

>>3358311
Q U I T
U
I
T

>>3358300
hairclip looks low effort. like a bread bag tie
her head isn't really as fat as the rest of her so it looks weird. make her chin a more rounded a transition into the neck

>>3358300
LOl this is my ex

>>3358310
>>3358311

Don't just quit.
Off yourself
You are a garbage human with no talent and no room for improvement
You have stained draw threads for too long.

Please, it's better for everyone else around you if you just put an end to your pain.

Garbage.

>>3358323
>>3358331
alright but I just need to finish the other 3000+ paintings I wanted to do first

>>3357125
>>3357127

please stay in /beg/

>>3357392

>When you get too much sycra but decide to put your own spin on it...

>>3358352
Bruh I can literally paint anything at this point. All these other artists are just copying one of the billion things I can do

>>3358352
>>3358357
I mean this is part of what makes you guys so retarded. When I do a painting that looks like a certain other artist (even if a little bit) you guys think that's my new "style". But without fault the next painting I post will always be a completely different style, and the cycle will repeat itself. I'm just working my way through all the things I'm capable of from "worst" to "best". I'm still trying to work through all of the styles of the 2000s and 1900s before I start doing impressionism in earnest. I'm not getting "better" I'm just finishing up certain ranges of styles before I move onto the more "complicated" stuff. I'm hoping to reach Renaissance level painting by the time I'm 50 or 60 and then just paint whatever the hell I want after that.

>>3358310
>>3358311

I like them

>>3357132
>>3357191
what is it about the lighting in these that is so damn good?

Drawing monsters is fun.
Anyone have ideas on how to make it scarier/wackier/weirder?

>>3358465
Tighten that shit up.

Wip

Am I going delusional? I'm not sure anymore if she is terribly ugly or if it's ok for a stlized illustration. I'm pretty sure her shoulders are fucked up, that's for sure. I'm working on it

>>3358300
horrible levels of uncanny valley, looks so weird.

>>3358565
I like the hands and the star, but I thought this was a man until I read your text
try looking at a female face in this position for reference
I think changing the long nose and lack of eyelashes will make a big difference

doing a study

>>3358596
nice

>>3358465
you suck puts

>>3357979
try working hints of that pink color into other parts of the image to unify it

Can someone recommend/link me some texture brushes for CSP? I'm tired of everything looking like plastic.

>>3356253
here's an example of how you could push his pose further

>>3358596
looks good! how'd you do the pattern on the table?

>>3358650
edit>define pattern; use paint bucket in pattern mode; transform with perspective warp; mask out the unwanted parts; gaussian blur filter

>>3358652
cheers!

>>3358565
I thought this was fanart of Dan from GameGrumps

>>3358462
The features are a bit too geometric/symmetrical.

>>3357060
Little update

Thanks for the advice >>3357071 >>3357116

practice from tonight

I drew this but all it did was remind me of all the time I wasted not drawing

>>3358300
Hard to believe that her face would be so normal-looking if her body is bloated that much.

>>3358677
Be more radical with your shadow to define volume. You'll soften some of them later.

>>3358620
That's not very constructive

>>3358933
Bro is a parasitic retard who cant draw and just lives for (you)s, don't expect anything useful

>>3358620
>nosebro graduated from /beg/

Critique please, does it look muddy?

First post. Lil doodle from tonight. Rip me up

>>3359045
dude weed lmao

>>3358660
That's a really cool tutorial. Thanks a lot!

>>3356720
you're a fucking retard if you cant figure it out, ngmi

>>3356792
dude unbunch your fucking panties and remember where you are - ic is just full of retards. That guy literally thought that saying the hand looked wrong was a legitimate critique. Just let that sink in and you will come to understand new levels of idiocy.

>>3358462
P scary already
Are you the dude who made that awesome zombie dragon lineart (andthen fucked it up by colouring it)? Blog?

>>3358300
you look like you've learnt to draw fat bodies but not fat faces, her neck and face look like a separate human

>>3359045
A doodle? Why would anyone want to use their time to critique a drawing that you didn't effort into? Or are you just calling it a doodle to protect your ego in case you get a bad critique? Anyway, your ability to imply form seems superior to most beginners so I'd say pick up pic related. Also use /beg/

>>3359444
Pic is how to draw by Scott robertson

>>3359045

is this overall composition ok ?

crit pls

>>3359469
Push the values
Yeah the composition's neat

>>3359486
what's the concept here?

>>3359572
pointless doodling

>>3359582
fair enough. Since the image is pretty simple with only two subjects arranged vertically I think a centered composition would be more appealing, with more space around the bird as well so it's not cramped up against the frame border(maybe place it on a vertical third with the girls eyes on the bottom third)

>>3359444
>>3359458
I appreciate this. Thank you

from lifedrawing class

>>3359628
Np

>>3359390
I had to check, because I have a tendency to fuck up my line art when colouring. But no, ain't me.
Don't have a blog either. Sorry.

>>3359645
a simple charm. I like it. but that lazy hand really diminishes it.

>>3359645
Pretty cool. Torso seems to be a bit too long though.
And you should find a different approach to drawing hands, because as it is it's almost ruining the drawing.

>>3358643
https://mega.nz/#F!yIJwkD4D!obcnuajVfsvs5hqY1xG7mQ

This pic from last month displays the usage of about 4 different brushes from the set. When you know the fabric patterns, you can easily use a single brush to draw tree, hair (though not recommended), and rough fabric textures, as well as grass, tyre marks, and even tyres themselves with certain movements.
Other textures, such as skin, silk, or soft sofas, are achievable with standard Perlin noise and pencil/pastel brushes. Experiment with them and see what works best.

Hello /beg/ here only posting because I never get any crits in the beg thread and I don't feel like grinding cubes today. Please tear me a new one. Was just practicing blending spheres in procreate when I got bored and tried this.

>>3359831
you said you used procreate, but go to ctrlpaint.com and watch some tutorials to get a better sense for how to use digital tools. avoid smudge and shading with black for now.

>>3359852
Ok will do this thanks. In this scenario what would be a more appropriate hue/tone for the shadows? I tried upping saturation and taking a halfway towards the black from the midtone but it just never felt dark enough. I also tried mixing other colors in ( the blue highlights and the redish tone) but I think the end result seems more muddy. Side question- how do I get it to not look like shit without the lines from the initial sketch? I figured it was the fact that the lines helped with the darkest values but maybe this isn't the case? Thanks for feedback.

>>3359868
think in value instead of hue. it would be good to practice with some b/w pictures. you can also open pictures (either actual photos or other people's art that you like) and use the color picker to see what the picture's palette is like. you'll probably be surprised at how unsaturated it is.

a lot of people have difficulty with blending at first. avoiding muddy colors is a matter of technique, so watch tutorial videos and practice.

your side question is a little complicated. you're aiming for a realistic style that doesn't depend on lines, yes? did I understand that correctly? anyway, you're right. you're relying on lines to convey the form because your values aren't strong enough on their own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbo6ZAuF914

here's a video you might helpful. it compares four different approaches to drawing the same subject, and one of them relies on the necessity of line as a stylistic choice.

>>3359731
Thanks anon. I'll check them out

>>3359977
I am successfully creeped out

Just dropping this at this point, might as well move onto something else.
Besides the face/hair/head area looking really off and the breasts, anything else to reflect on?

>>3360036

disgusting

>>3360036
I wanna impregnate it.

>>3360036
Jesus christ, how long have you been working on this?

>>3360049
in actual time, not that long
I just had to move while working on it

>>3360036
Anon, push through and finish it tomorrow, at least half-assedly.

It's not even that bad. Maybe try a different style to get a fresh perspective? Maybe a glossier, cell-shaded look? You could definitely salvage it into something different.

>>3360036
IT'S REALLY GOOD you just need to push your values a bit anon!! I did fuck all to this other than use an air brush on it like look how good all ur structure and stuff was

>>3360036
I think you were focusing too much on getting input on nearly all stages of this one.

>>3356754
polished this turd

>>3356754
polished this turd,

>>3360198
i think you messed up the fov in the revised pic. the fish-eye from the first wip feels like a better fit given the composition and subject matter.

>>3360224
yeah I made the mistake of rendering the head to much and kept trying to fix the perspective from that. The legs started looking too short because the head was too rather than top down. Def not a kim jung gi lol

Didnt get help in /beg/ so sorry for posting here. Trying new tablet but it’s so hard to spot what’s wrong, guessing it’s shading with black? Also how do I into transitons between two cloth types

>>3356846
Jesus fuck Brian chill out you spastic twat. You drew a shit hand, someone pointed it out that's the end of it, you're intentionally being a little shit and it's pathetic. off yourself or man up and grow up.

That said, your drawing is ok, and your patingings are ok, I think you're stagnating a bit, you need to challenge yourself more considering how much art means to you (judging by how much you post)

Also, just general life advice, being agressive towards others as a way to vent your internal frustration will only serve to dig you into a deeper and deeper hole at which point eventually no one will give a shit about you. Find another way to vent.

>>3360326
chill man, Brian's prob gonna be the next ngm/ic/rab to off himself.

>>3357067
youre going to do great things anon

>>3360326
don't do that name thing pls
/ic/ is small enough without cliches

>>3359901
Thanks, anon. Really good advice.

>>3360362
cliques rather

>>3359532
danke anon

So, anyone here participated in the CDChallenge over the last few months?

time to take a break, sun's coming up.

>>3360754
i uh, like the composition

>>3360754
I think you should be posting in a different thread, anon
the beginner thread

>>3360754
>>>pornthread

>>3360754
i giggled

Painted all through the weekend, taking a break with some Coen brother movie sketches
>>3360754
O-oh
Very silly

>>3357577
blog?

How does it look?

>>3360326
>at which point eventually no one will give a shit about you
nobody gives a shit about me anyways

finished this

>>3357639
The ear is fine. Something you learn about placement and shape of facial features is that micro adjustments in the direction the head is looking can greatly vary the perceived placement of features, because the head is such a complex shape. Nitpicking this drawing is useless, the artist knows what they're doing.

>>3357639
ALso the shadow is fine. The light is clearly coming nearly straight on thus will leave a straight back shadow across the neck, not even

>>3358310
The fruit looks good and the weird jug looks good but the background looks amateur. It shows your lack of range.

>>3360326
cant wait until his "long game plan" fails.
he might actually kill himself.

>>3361827
swing and a miss on this one.

about halfway done with this, a dragon/ centaur for character design challenge

standu

Working with colour/shadow (obviously relying on reference for outlines)

Is this style aesthetically pleasing or does it just look shit?

spent several days on this wdyt

Yesterday's life drawing session

The "V" means I used my non-dominant hand

>>3362080
Shit

>>3362080
Go to /beg because all your doing is tracing and adding simple colour.

>>3362213
why would you not draw with your dominant hand all the time

Posted this in /beg/ but no one answered. Wanted some critiques about the facial structure and if the hands were the right size before I continued with this drawing.

>>3362025
Great lines brotha. Pose is very nice as well.

Color or greyscale it!

>>3362225
It's good when you're new to life drawing to use your non-dominant hand from time to time. Because it changes the way you approach drawing in that you need to look and think more (as a way to counter symbol drawing), and it lowers the pressure on yourself at making good drawings.

But these days I mostly just do it to change things up a bit and challenge myself.

>>3362239
Try to imagine everything as real 3dimentional objects. Then draw a line that lies on top the 3dimentional face from the top of the head, down between the eyes, through the nose, and to the chin.
You want everything that's based on the location of the skull to be proportionate to this line. (there are exceptions, but don't mind those right now)

One thing you should discover quickly is that the nose makes 0 sense and confuses the entire image. Is she pointing her face towards the viewer, or is it pointed slightly up and away from us?

Loomis would unironically help you fix this. Try it out.

>>3361861
How does realistic painting mixed with stylized painting show a lack of range? Or as you like to call them "good" and "bad". That is literally the definition of range

>>3361861
If the background looked better, but the fruit and jug looked the same, you woulda said the reverse, and that I still have a lack of range, so you just don't understand my paintings.

>>3361862
>he might actually kill himself
I don't have a particular date in mind for getting successful. If it ends up being "never" I don't really care.

>>3361863
yeah, kinda. I try to be in the habit of finishing paintings even if they're not great though.

>>3361861
I mean I'm genuinely interested in what you think the proper ratio is. Would my paintings be better if the background was photo real, and the still life looser or vice versa? At some point I'd run the risk of being one of those shitty art school students that "collages" different styles together. Wouldn't it be better to give up this "range" you're looking for for the sake of stylistic consistency?

>>3362192
How long at a time? That looks like an hour or two of painting at the most, hope you learned a bit on choices.

I don't know whether to put this in /alt/ or here. I think it fits better here.

Cute little house

>>3362446
oh shit sorry about the size, on ipad and I’m shit at technology

>>3356236
Any mistakes so far?

Fugg, haven't been drawing for months. Done this during work break on my surface book

>>3362445
Kinda nice. But the character's left arm doesn't make sense. It looks too tiny and the foreshortening is fucked.
Remember that you can easily utilize folds on cloth to emphasize form. Especially the point around the elbow where the arm's directions changes can be shown a lot clearer by using folds.

>>3362452
Holy shit! The ghost of Dillon is hunting /ic/!

The head is slightly pointing slightly away from us. But the face is straight on. Showing the nasal bridge could help with that.

Also, torso is too long and legs too short.

>>3362463
Thanks anon. I wasn't sure if the arm was off or not, thank you for confirming. I'll mess around with it.

Finished 2 pieces since last thread but forgot to post here , as always critiques welcome

>>3362446
That fucking house isn't fucking cute you brainless moron.

It's adorable :3

>>3362467
thanks <3

Who's Dillon?

>>3362588
Comic book artist that's infamous for his same face syndrome

>>3356236

>>3362593
Got it. Was kinda hoping it was a reference to an ic God, but at least it's not Dobson.

>>3362593
You talkin shit about Preacher?

How do I faces and values? Its damn hard to get the values right, they look like graffitti

>>3362636
lol forgot to add the picture, here it is.

>>3362618
this is really cool

>>3358300

>>3362445
staff might be better at a steeper angle so there's a clearer silhouette

Update
Both being Wips

Tried to fix the arm but I'm not sure which version of the hand and wrist looks better.

>>3362647
A clearer silhouette of the staff or the figure overall?

painted this

>>3361289
Why do you people still do this? Almost every single image posted on all the boards is about me in some way, so why keep pretending?

>>3362698
Left

>>3362630
I am talking shit about Preacher all day long and I'll fight anyone irl who likes that piece of utter trash.

>>3362334
>I don't have a particular date
you have literally in the past said that you are waiting for the Renaissance of trad-painting to come back and leave the digi-fags in the dust.

>>3362845
wut

>>3363142
Thanks anon. I ended up redrawing it anyway.

Tell me something about this WIP

>>3362639
Guilty... as charged!

>>3363257
pretty nice, i like those colors

>>3362659
I like these designs, do you have more?

Not finished yet.

Made it in inkscape with a mouse.

>>3363257
colors are nice cool concept, but composition and perspective are bland or straight up fucked. is the thing going through the door supposed to be much smaller than the shooter? I guess not, but the picture implies so.it covers all elevator door, but the girl looks gigantic compared to it

>>3362845
Wh-what? Anon likes your image and is asking if you have a blog/tumblr/insta....
Did you maybe take it as ‘lol blogposting’ or something? Maybe you’re new to/ic/, It’s not like the other boards and a reply mentioning ‘blog’ is usually asking for a link

>>3363312
everything single post on 4chan is literally about them though, so it's weird someone would ask for a blog when they already know it

>>3362639
I-is this supposed to be the ‘fat head, skinny body’ counterpart

>>3363314
If they really did misread anon as accusing them of blogposting, then they probably meant ‘every image *i* post on all the various boards is about me in some way’, since most of what you post on 4ch is either pics you like or pics that describe how you feel.

Left or right? I'm not sure if I'm feeling the sword desu

>>3363426
Local retard forgets to attach pic

>>3362508
Are you the guy who made the Devilman one from a few threads back? Mind posting your blog? I love it, although I think the sword is a bit distracting.

>>3361857
>>3361856
nope

>>3358300
keep the head
cut the rest

>>3362638
thanks

Suffering.

Just a random question, didn't want to make a new thread. Does anybody have a photo reference of a girl coming out of a body of water that's an aerial shot? So like you see the top of her head mostly, preferably with half her face still under water. I can't seem to find anything after surfing through videos of girls swimming and I don't want to take a dip in the middle of a cold front :^) Thanks for any help

Also I was practicing feet yesterday and I don't understand them

>>3359704
>>3359706
thank you both. I agree 100% with you about the hand, just ran out of time and didnt get to finnish it. Not perfect but I usually draw better hands

>>3363609
That stylistic choice for feet looks lovely and I am going to steal it.

What tools are you using?

I finished these ceramics. this ones a flower vase

>>3363707
this is a cup with a face on it (the handles in the back)

>>3363711
and this ones a guy praying

>>3363707
>>3363711
>>3363712
Pretty cool! Unironically reminds me of my grandma's ceramics (she's been making a living on it for 60 years).

Just think a bit about it like you would with a drawing. With shapes and form.
Drawing and sculpture isn't that far from each other. I'd say there's a bigger difference between drawing and painting.

Also. The draw thread is probably not the right place for 3D work.

>>3363765

>>3363660
glad someone stole something from me but i guess I stole it from frazetta first. I´ve used a conté charcoal 2b pencil but have lately switched over to charcoal sticks and am enjoying myself much more

>>3363765
writing doesn't wrap round her thigh

also, porn thread

Am I learning abstraction?

What do you think?
Are available to distinguish what is in the picture?
There is a girl (Sargent reference) and a samurai. (Original mine)
Any advice is appreciated, I just want to learn so critic it as you want,

>>3363581
link to brushes pls immediately

>>3363984
Abstraction is much more than painting loosely. Abstraction needs to be based in drawing, and consistently revolving around a concept. You have to be abstracting it according to a set of rules. "Abstract" art that is simply observational but simplified is more akin to a style like in an illustration. If that's what you're going for then call it a style, but otherwise this isn't abstraction, it's just blocking in a regular realist painting but calling it done before you do the details. In other words: lazy

painting this. was an idiot and tried to paint stuff before the flowers, and the sun was practically down by the time I finally painted them. and they'll probably be dead tomorrow. so I'm glad I got to painting them today

>>3363266
thanks
>>3363302
good point, thanks

>>3364030
>abstraction needs to be based in drawing
no it doesn't.
>and consistently revolving around a concept
what are you even trying to say here?
>you have to be abstracting it according to a set of rules
no you don't.
>blocking in a regular realist painting but calling it done before you do the details. In other words: lazy
Why does a painting have to have details in order to be "done"? The work is done if the artist says it is done. It isn't lazy to leave areas intentionally simply resolved.

>>3361890
This is really nice! That planar rendering is doing a lot.

>>3364129
>no
an eloquent point, anon

>>3364148
then make an argument bitch
>abstraction needs to be based in drawing
why?

>>3364152
as much as any painting is based in drawing. you don't start with an observational drawing, paint it loosely, then call it abstract. That's just ignoring steps in the process. If you paint something loosely but the drawing is still academic in nature and not abstracting things to a particular end, it's not abstract art. It's just a style you applied across an academic drawing by leaving parts of it kind of loose. The Sargent treatment.

>I painted it loosely
>I'm forward thinking like the Impressionists

No, you aren't, Sargent. You're just an art student that never matured out of classroom assignments and now you're doing commissions. Not actually diverging from what he is looking at, just ignoring a few steps that would've made his work strictly academic so now he can say he's """"""painterly""""""""

>>3364157
yeah I'm not the dude who painted that, I'm just the guy that replied to you. Also you still never addressed why abstraction needs to be based in drawing. Here's a hint: it doesn't

>>3364165
>Also you still never addressed why abstraction needs to be based in drawing
all painting is based in drawing. if the drawing isn't abstract you can't "abstract" it after the fact no matter how loosely you paint it.

hint: it does

>>3364165
also omfg please post your shit ass work cause with opinions like yours I just knooooooow it's /beg/ tier. omg please prove me wrong.

>>3364172
If it's not photo/hyperrealism then it involves some form of abstraction of reality. Realism is most defenitly an abstraction of reality, life seen through the eyes of the painter.

>>3364172
>>3364174
>all painting is based in drawing
I love how you just make these wild claims without backing them up in any meaningful way.
>if the drawing isn't abstract you can't abstract it after the fact
>>3364198
has it right.

>post work
ok

>>3364198
i mean sure, i guess... but that denegrates all of art history into "Realism is abstract enough". That takes the colors of impressionism and does to it what the original critics of it said.

>So tell me Pissaro? Was that tree REALLY purple?

Saying "enough" is enough is what leads to academicism being the end all be all, and the end of the avant garde. It means we take the courage of Picasso to draw an object from multiple angles in the same image and say "Sargent could've done that if he wanted to". I hate to use the same adage of art that pompous art critics use but the fact of the matter is "but he didn't". You can have all the technical ability in the world but if you just do what is expected of you and never challenge yourself to make something that embarrasses you a little bit, you aren't much of an artist.

You think Gauguin was confident that what he was doing was groundbreaking 100% of the way? I highly doubt he never had moments where he felt absolutely stupid for trying to abstract art further than his contemporaries. Because that''s the lingering thought in the head of all those great spearheads of art movements was "Is this going too far?"

"Am I just making bad art?"

Sargent never had that thought, and that's the absolute reason why his art is, in fact, bad.

>>3364205
So you're defending your right to make boring artwork, because you make boring artwork. Got it. You do academicism with a touch of illustration to make your equally bad teachers go "I like your style". Enjoy your Instagram followers, you'll fit right in on reddit.

>>3364205
I love how this is exactly what I was saying isn't abstract art btw. You clearly are just trying to confirmation bias your way into feeling better about yourself because everything I said not to do is exactly what you do. Highlarious.

>>3364218
>>3364220
your posts make me sleepy

Has draw gen always been this toxic? So weird to see /alt/ being chill lately when it's usually the opposite scenario.

Currently working on this playing with this style. Thoughts, crit?

>>3358311
Mate, settle down. You seem to let harsh critique get to you a lot. What do you expect when you come here. It is not that you are horrible at what you are doing but try to be better, thats all what the People on here were trying to tell you. If someone tells you, you fucked the shading on the Hand up, try to Do it better next time. I saw a lot of people on here who got praise and all those people were very good. If you get harsh critique, it is an indicator that you should still work harder.

>>3356244
Oversimplified or not the hand looks like shit

>>3364287
could use some eyebrows

>>3356838
Different anon. The whole structure of the hand is fucked, deal with it, it doesn't read well, redo it or grind hands, but you're not showing the part of the palm where the pinky connects, so the whole thing looks weird.

>>3364329
Don’t even try. Fucked up hand-anon is mentally ill.

hoping I don't have to draw anything more complicated than this for the mak'gora thread, but I'm pretty sure I'm battling firez so we'll see what happens

C'mon ya'll, move on.

Hand guy, draw something new and forget it. Not every drawing is going to be a winner, or provide that breakthrough moment that breakthrough moment that we're all looking for. It's all right, keep drawing. And try not to take people's words to heart so much.

To everyone else, give it a rest. At the end of the day, it's a sketch. Was never that important of a drawing to begin with. You guys are just as mental for giving it so much attention.

Get off the internet and draw, you faggots.

>>3364266
everyone's been kind of pissy for the last three threads. i think it started with that album cover dude trying to dump on everyone else's art and then eveyrone just found more and more new things to bitch about

>>3356253
Nice drawing of Emma Gonzales

>>3362508
The rendering is really great and the palette feels harmonious. My biggest issue with this is just that there isn't anything going on? What's the concept/narrative/metaphor? We don't know anything about the character so it's hard to stay engaged with the piece for more than a few seconds. The painting itself looks phenomenal though!

>>3363780
xa

>>3364016
relax, anon, it won't make you draw better

>>3364476
you don't know that 4 sure pls stop making unreasonable assumptions

>>3364460
Stop sucking so much dick, that painting is terrible. Feng zhu would shit on that so hard that anon wouldn't draw for a month

>>3364460
it's fanart for berserk. it'd probably be well received by the fanbase, I wouldn't know I couldn't get past the cucking.

>>3363429
i could be totally wrong about this but i'd bet money the skull knight anon is someone different than the Devilman anon because that piece is frankly miles better than the last thing Devilman anon posted (a bat monster) in almost every respect. maybe he rapid-improved in the last week or something

>>3364460
p sure that's fanart of Skull Knight from Berserk; standing stoically, watching the world and not giving much away seems in character for him.

>>3364362
Its cause /ic/ is kind of going through a transitional period right now. Crabs are finally getting their fuckin shells cracked open and that delicious sweet meat cooked and dipped in butter like the little bitches they are. feng zhu launches a new video that motivates the fuck out of a lot of people. Working harder stress levels higher. I also heard you guys got a leader now, his name is Adremalach or some shit? I heard he's ready to smash some skulls and lead y'all to victory. That's fuckin badass man shits gonna go down in history. I guess like every 100 years or so a hero emerges and shakes the earth with their presence at least according to ancient /ic/ lore.

>>3364358
Could you define the fingers on the hip hand further? It just looks like a mitten right now (I see what you were trying to do, it just didn't work out.) That entire arm is too thin also, and the back adjacent to it looks oddly flat.
The entire figure from the waist down is kind of compressed/short looking but there's not much you can do about it now. Just something to keep in mind next time.
Ass shadows are looking extremely square and unnatural.
You've also moved the model's nose too far down her face, as a result it's more prominent and in combination with the sharply defined cheekbones the profile reads as a man.
I like how you've done the hair, especially the resting messy strands on the shoulder.

>>3364484
crit or get off the pot, crabanon

>>3364287
Pretty interesting. If leaving the eyebrows off was part of the stylistic stuff I don't think it worked, maybe make simplistic eyebrows to match the eyelashes?
As opposed to how beautiful and fleshed out the light-bathed part of the hair looks on the right side of the stylized flat colored hank, the shaded section on the left looks dull and flat, I think it could use more range in value.
Otherwise it looks neat and I'm interested in what you end up doing with it

>>3364493
that made sense for like four sentences before descending into possible schizophrenia

>>3364325
>>3364498
Yeah I'm still working on it, the missing eyebrows aren't intentional but I have made the mistake in the past of forgetting to draw eyebrows on faces(I really need to get this shit fixed). I think you are right about the compressed composition in the bottom I think I can still rework the line work and give it more breathing room. thnx

>>3364497
could you redraw the reference with all that fixed? I'm not quite seeing what you mean

standu2

>>3364508
What parts are you not understanding? Well I'm not going to draw an entire picture but I can try to explain.

-The hand on the hip you have drawn as a silhouette with only the pinky picked out using value, I feel using solid lines to define a few more of the fingers would help since it currently looks mittenlike compared to the other hand, hopefully that was a simple enough suggestion to get. The arm attached to that hand is too thin, particularly the upper arm. The back next to that upper arm also look flat (probably because it's a straight line in your pic and not the reference). I put some blue to emphasize the arm's heft and the flow and curve of the model's back muscle
-Bottom half is compressed, for reference I scaled the torso of your drawing and the model to be the same size from lip to top of loincloth, then added one more green line to where the right food should approximately be. as you can see the yours does not reach the expected length to maintain the proportion, the bottom half is squashed. Could be mostly or entirely distortion from how you took the picture but I have to comment on what I see.
-Rectangle ass shadows...that one shouldn't need further explanation but I drew a red line on the right angled ness of yours and the more natural one of the model.
-Profile, just did a red line on your piece to show my meaning. Maybe should have used yet another color...ehh.

Hopefully that helps make the stuff i said make sense. Some of it may sound like nitpicks but every single one was something that would make the piece more believable, from fine to really good.

>>3364515
Your hands are fucking slick.

>>3364530
oh and to clarify the middle green line was placed using the 'nub' sticking out from the upper right of the knotted part of the loincloth; it's sitting on this nub in both figures. since if you don't notice that it looks kind of arbitrary. (also I just noticed the red right-angle symbol looks...vaguely suggestive of a butthole, whoops)

WIP

What do you guys think?

>>3364030
I'm not calling it done, I came here to ask if I'm doing good according to a abstraction
Abstraction takes a huge role, it does not just add pinterestic look, it gives beauty and makes it interesting.
I think sargent does this,
By the way this is the block in of values. First stage
Im beg and I'm learning. If i said something wrong tell me

>>3364157
I think, you are thinking abstraction is just in abstract art. Not abstract art is when the main tool is abstraction.

Well if I'm wrong a experienced anon can tell us more about it

>>3364030

>>3364157

Here is the article I got fpinfkrmaion here before the exercise.
And another place but can't get the link. I lost it

Why people get so trigger here it's funny

>>3364530
hows this

>>3364671
If Sargent is a master of abstract art (apparently?!) then wtf is Picasso?

>>3364668
>Well if I'm wrong a experienced anon can tell us more about it
I am an experienced anon you dweeb. Stop looking for second opinions.

>>3364978
Anon I'm not saying he is a abstract artist
What I'm saying is

There is abstraction in the paintings, all master paintings.
Jesus Christ dude
Jesus fucking Christ lol
What you call painting loosely

Look I'm beg if I'm wrong no one can't blame me because I'm studying this in my own. If I get wrong ideas well. Let my die standing like an alpha male.

>>3364978

>>3365001
If you think loosely painted academic art is "abstract" then what fucking ever. I can't convince you otherwise. Apparently the bar for good abstraction is subtlety. Not a very alpha male position to take but you do you.

Pic related: abstract art

>>3365006
Very well

Pic related if you are interested. The Pic explains my idea.
The website is called emptyeasel.com

>>3365043
Simply not how it works. Abstract art was going to be abstract from its conception. Down to the initial drawing it was always going to be an abstract painting, and it was brought to completion accordingly. The painting I posted by Picasso started out "abstract" as you and this website are calling it, but the better term for it is "unfinished". He simply brought it to completion. Picasso's "Woman in a Red Armchair" isn't a realistic painting that he didn't finish all the way, it was a painting that down to the sketches he did for it was always meant to be an abstracted version of a woman. Do you see what I'm trying to tell you? Abstract art isn't a step along the way to realism, it is a different kind of painting altogether. Picasso brought his abstract painting of that woman to the same level of finish as Sargents painting you posted. Picasso didn't just "leave it abstract".

>>3365043
What you are posting is simply known as academicism in the fine arts world. It is practically illustration because so much of it is based on moving the paint around until it vaguely resembles what you are looking at. True Impressionism is considered, it is rooted in drawing exactly what you are looking at and not "performing" and making slick artwork that mimics reality. Anybody can do that. That's not good art to me, and it certainly isn't "abstract". You give great artists too little credit, and artists like Sargent too much

>>3365063
I would even argue that Picasso's painting I posted is more "finished" than either of your Sargent examples. Even if to you "abstract" just means "unfinished", on a purely production basis Picasso absolutely brought all of his pieces to a more finished polish than anything Sargent ever did. Sargent just didn't finish paintings so normies and rich people would call him "painterly" and get to pretend to be a patron of progressive artwork

no ref

>>3365067

>>3365074
oh I get what you mean
I respect your opinion.
I still like how it looks. I don't know why.
When I got involved with art two years ago, I was obsessed with hypperalism, now I kinda like more like this, I love when I can see the brush strokes.
I was researching why it was so pleasent and I found some articles explaining abstraction in a painting. Subtle brushstrokes that if you see closer is just abstract but if you look the whole piece it is something.
Well, thanks for your time.

new painting

>>3364967
lmfao oh shit she took it off
Yeah, really nicely done! every issue I pointed out seems to be fixed. The face is more accurate to the model and more anatomically correct, and the arm and back look much more real/fleshy. New bum region looks good, I'm not sure there should be so much indent between her left glute and thigh, but that's just a tiny little thing.

>>3365335
did more to it. someone make a new thread

thoughts?

send help

>>3366448
outline of the mouth feels too strong. maybe try using lighter lines, or skipping the effect entirely