/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

everyone is too busy talking about crocodiles to move to the new thread

>>3352072
What books or courses have you gone trough for rendering

have you read the scott book?

With regards to Chicken Scratching, I know its wrong but is going over a line several times over chicken scratching cause I truly feel making two dots and drawing a line in between is time consuming is going over a line multiple tikes considered chicken scratching though?

Like if you check these videos out

https://youtu.be/44aAdjdj0fI

Or this one
https://youtu.be/2delOXUlLRo

>>3352187

Just do what this dood >>3351399


>I use cheap mechanical pencils to trace over very faint sketches I did with an 2H or so pencil, then I try to erase every extra line with a vinyl Eraser.

>>3352187
i thought u were done shilling this guy

how about these lines?

>>3352276
Keep going anon. Still needs more work but you're getting there. If you get bored draw something you like then when you feel like practicing again go back and do this exercise.

>>3352276
Now this is how you grind anon. Line mastety +1

so did i graduate from /beg/ yet? still don't fucking know what i'm doing god

>>3352288

>>3352290
...i'll go back to drawing

>>3352292
Good boy

>>3352284
Not him, but I've been sorta alternating between one page of lines and then another page of drawing shapes and forms.

I've been at this for a few days now and it helps make the grind less monotonous and I've been able to crank out a good 2~3 hours of practice each day doing this without breaking.

I'm gonna go through the beginner reading now, though, since I'm a little bit more comfortable and I'm hoping I'll be able to notice even more improvement after going through some of the theories/fundamentals/practice work contained within.

>>3352298
Post your work anon. You maybe good enough to move on to something else. If you think you're good enough and your lines are straight reduce it down to half a page before you draw everyday. Turn it into a warm up routine.

I’m going through the keys to drawing currently and I’m reallg struggling with making my drawings from life 3D. Any advice anons? They look flat as fuck and yes I understand this shit takes time.

>>3352373
Use a grid

>>3352276
Try crossing your lines after making a bunch to create grids. It's a quick way to double check how straight a set of lines really is.

>>3352376
Sorry if I’m a dip but how does a gues help exactly?

*Guide sorry I’m on mobile

>>3352388
Drawing a grid made out of lines help you see if your lines are crooked or not. The grid will look uneven if your lines are not straight enough.

>>3352390
Will that help with making my life drawings look more 3D?

>>3352393
Of course it will. It helps with basic construction.

>>3352393
for that study relief

>>3352396
Thanks for help and being patient anon

>Tfw my art got used as op image
Is this an insult or a compliment? I'm guessing an insult because looking at it now I can see some flaws like the failure at depth and the fucked up arm

How long does an average beginner learn the basic things? I'm grinding 3 days and see minimal improvement.

>>3352471
if you practice 6-10h/day you should have some drastic improvement within 3 months.

3days is nothing, keep it up.

>>3352480
But I mean simple lines, squares, circles etc.
3 fucking months?

>>3352471
It depends on how hard you work. 1 hour of practice you can see improvement.

>>3352482
Don't listen to him it only takes an hour. 1 hour of lines, squares, circles etc. to see improvement lol.

>>3352433
it is not perfect but i like it

Are there any books that go in depth in planar analysis?

>>3352483
>>3352484
Is it JUST an hour or an hour daily?

sketched a spook

Hell I don't know what to say this is . A loli pirate captain?

>>3352543
dumping some rough practice from the past few days. Trying to re motivate myself to draw more, been slowly going from 1 drawing a page to filling the pages with more work so I think i'm getting more confident.

>>3352565

>>3352566

>>3352547
Yes, yes it is. that head needs some definition.

>>3352566
i think you are drawing too slowly also try ghosting more

>>3352542
An hour for each basic shape and lines. You shouldn't be spending weeks or months grinding basics. Sit down and just do an hour of lines or squares or circles or triangles. Once you feel that you are good enough move on to 3D shapes. In less than a week you should be able to draw decent shapes and form. The key is to not rush and focus on making it correct as possible.

>>3352583
Idiot here, what is ghosting? Also I drew the lines pretty quick, like less then a second per line, should I be doing it really fast?

>>3352597
Ghosting is hovering over the page and drawing a ghost line. Be careful, even the most experienced papers can end up haunting their paper.

>>3352612
Wow I meant artist not paper.

>>3352613
spooky

>>3352590
Sorry for such stupid questions. Is it okay to grind the circles/ellipses on grid pape?

Here's what I drew today.

>>3352620
No its not. Don't use grid paper as a crutch.

>>3352571
Any ideas on how

>>3352620
The key to drawing circles is to lightly sketch out a circle like this

https://youtu.be/qpqEE9yU474

>>3352632
shading or 3d guidelines

>>3352621
the boobies are pretty weird imo
you should check out some tutorials about their physics

Still dunno how to apply all this to life drawings.

does anyone know if PME will touch on that later?

Is Bridgman bad?

>>3352621

huge head. tits looks bolted.

Just draw real nude woman until you get a feel for the proportion.

>>3352620
use your shoulder not your wrist

>>3352720
Yeah that's what I'm doing. Right now I have a very low success rate (drawing less than an hour due to a break).

>>3352734
maybe I'm wrong, but I think you don't need to draw the circle 'in one go'. Ghost it(make the motion without touching the paper), then touch it very lightly barely making any mark, then progressively make it stronger.

That way you train your muscle memory more efficiently.

>>3352756
You're right. I was doing exactly that on my with my tablet. (was advised to start with pencil and paper before going digital)

>>3352684
tried doing that thing I see some people do.

feels like he doesn't have a neck.

Attempting to learn to draw spheres. and 3d forms

Such a small problem shouldn't make me feel so so depressed that I seriously consider to kill myself.

Halfway through perspective made easy. It's poorly colored because I don't have an easy way of getting rid of all the vp lines to see what I drew.

>>3352831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pti-Swh_E

>>3352823

>>3352684
Find the eye level and work from there.

Is using photoshop effects like various stylizations, blurs or distortions fair game?

>>3352845
Yes i recognize I have perfectionistic tendencies, but at the same time it seems like others spend much less time (if any at all) in understanding 3d / spheres so it feels like i'm just incapable

>>3352846
what?

>>3352850
Watch the video again.

>>3352846
didnt even notice that, tnx.

>>3352847
eye level is the horizon right? where the vp's are supposed to be? I tried doing that. Kinda messy with the one on the right, cuz I freehanded it. The rest I used a piece of paper.

>>3352854
Try reading page 1 of any perspective book.
>>3352861
Use a ruler. You wouldn't freehand a perspective drawing in school or for a client, no point in hurting yourself. Perspective is very precise, if your eye level is a curved or wobbly line, the drawing is already going to look like shit.

Working on this Crocodidle, any thoughts or critics on progress/ future progress?

>>3352870
The head's a bit small.

>>3352874
When the rest of the body is drawn in, I will definitely look at sizes, the paint is just place holder for now

>>3352870
i would say dont use "grass" brushes that are actual cutouts of grass or fur, but instead use something that actually resembles what a mass of fur/grass looks like.

>>3352861
>where the vp's are supposed to be?

Are learning from a book right now? Or are you just guessing shit based on bits and pieces you learn somewhere?

>>3352887
I will for sure try to fix that thank you

>>3352888
currently on chapter 8 of Perspective Made Easy.

that what I thought the book said about eye lvl.

Got ignored on the questions thread, so I'll just post here.

I've been drawing cartoons since I've started to draw (roughly some months). Am I making a mistake by keeping drawing cartoons? I have a lot of issues when I try to learn anatomy since it looks very difficult and I just lose motivation when I try to practice it.

What should I do?

>>3352931
did you loomis?

>>3352931
Get a 2mm lead holder and sharpener. Work with either blue leads or 2H - you want a light line. Concentrate on animating figures.

When you get more confident at drawing characters and comic narratives, attempt 4-panel comics aligned at 4x12".

>>3352941
I should have mentioned, I've been drawing mostly on digital. I haven't tried to do traditional art since it's a bit expensive and getting a tablet was way cheaper for me.

>>3352943
well you can use a cheap pencil on a standard print paper to get started

>>3352941
Not very good advice for that anon question. You just gave him a list of materials and needlessly specific tasks.

>>3352943
Anon, it really depends of the kind of cartoons you want to draw. Some styles just require good knowledge of 3D forms, but others do need a basic understanding of Anatomy. Just look at what you want to draw and ask yourself if muscles and bones seem to be something the artist had to reference often.

>can draw from a reference fairly well
>completely incompetent when not using a reference image
Help

working on Krita
am i doing it right? critiques required please anons

>>3353013
>those eyes
AYY

stop drawing anime before fundies

>>3353008
I wish I didnt know this feel

My attempt at this straight lines always ends up with me creating lines that are slightly angle and then curve near the end. The more I try to find the balance between speed and accuracy, the more I seem to just mess up and forget to use the shoulder as the main mechanism behind the motion.

I'm gonna go back to grinding after this post, but I could use some advice and points if anyone can offer them. I'm just not sure what it is that's causing these frayed lines at this point and how I can improve on it.

>>3353029
frayed lines tend to happen when you're moving your hand too fast. Try slowing down until you can consistently hit your marks. You'll probably notice if you go slowly that you'll have more "bumpy" lines because your arm will try to micro-correct as you go.

also, I don't know about you but I prefer using my elbow as the main pivot point when drawing on paper/digitally. Sometimes a bit of shoulder, but mainly the elbow. Perhaps try using the elbow more.

>>3353008
>>3353020
Perspective, figure drawing, anatomy, forms... are you new here? The solution is simple.

>>3353013
Read Keys to Drawing... your sight needs serious training. The size of the eyes should be reduced even further but I'm too lazy. Also work on your forms. And stop drawing anime until you learn these things or you'll end up being seriously bad at anime.

>>3353029
Don't use your shoulder... the shoulder is used for larger, canvas type mediums. The 90% elbow and 10% shoulder is fine. Also, practice. It takes a lot of practice. Even straight lines. Every guitarist started out struggling to play the main riff of smoke on the water.

What exactly is "making it" and why do I have to do it? What if I just enjoy drawing a bit and improving slowly?

You guess your lines. You don't look at where objects are in relation to each other:
>i.e. where the clothes fold over each other

The whole head is tilted unlike your drawing, eyes are a mess, same with the nose.

Lines on the hat are executed terribly, they would be a lot thinner, closer, and less opaque.

>>3353153
It just means being able to make a living out of art.

>>3352870
I think you should change it from a croc to a hippo

>>3352958
>Some styles just require good knowledge of 3D forms, but others do need a basic understanding of Anatomy.

I think that's something I'm really lacking. Looking at what I've done, it makes me feel that I can do better.
Problem is that I don't know where to start and reading books makes it even more difficult for me.

>>3353198
Look at a reference please.

>>3353165
No offense, but you aren't at a level to be redlining him or anyone else.

>>3353213
ok

How do I draw smooth lines? I can't really draw anything round without doing tiny strokes

>>3352734
Why are you trying to make a round circle in 1 stroke? Use multiple strokes and feel out the circle first.

>>3352831
My dude start with the a circle and split those circles into quarters with a dotted line. After that try to picture what the circle would look like if it was cut in half.

Latest drawing. Ignore the editing.
I know is shit but I always fail to see why exactly. Can someone explain? Also I was told to do the draw cubes exercise, and im at it, but why is that exactly? To improve my sketchy lines?

Just curious, thanks for all the help.

>>3353203
Should a begginer always draw with references?

>>3353283
Yes, it's unironically the best way to learn. How else are you supposed to know how the form works, where the chest connects to the shoulders, etc etc.

>>3353281
what tools do you use?

>>3353281
She's cute. Hair could be done more clean. It generally flows in one direction and doesn't cross or be wavy unless it's wavy hair. Ink and graphite look unusual together. Could make your shading more uniform. Pose is okay, but someone would probably say it needs a better gesture. More curves make it more appealing.

>>3353281
Yea, >>3353292 I was wondering what was wrong and I'd say the pose is very boring and doesn't look right.

>>3353288
I sketch with a pencil, mark the lines with a pen, erase the pencil, add details with a pencil again. On paper. I still have no idea on how to do digital.

>>3353292
Thank you. It was supposed to be wavy-ish hair, but I can see now how I failed at that. Im having trouble thinking of gestures lately. Cant say much about the curves because I still suck at drawing girls bodies correctly. And males too.

>>3353287
Then I guess Im going to start using them now. Thank you, always wondered that.

>>3352068
here's some of a painting I did. Plz give feedback

need me a redline

>>3353310


>>>/beg/

>>3353171
Fuck man, why didn't I think of that

is it time for me to try for a finished composition? i know there's a lot for me to work on but im feeling like im plateauing at such a shit level. my lines, proportions, and construction aren't improving at the rate i want to be going at. i just started hampton's figure drawing book, so hopefully by the end of it i'll be better off.

what do you do to fight off plateaus?

>>3353353
When you hit a plateau in the gym, it is because your body grows used and anticipates certain actions. You want to try to shock or surprise the system in order to make gains. You can do this simply by making small adjustments in your training regiment to break the cycle. Another alternative, although dangerous, is to fight your way through the plateau with sheer willpower.

>>3352931
Some of your time should be devoted to trying to actively improve, and to keep your sanity you use the rest of the time to draw what you want. Find a balance that works for you. Learning anatomy and other helpful things is fun once you start to see the results

>>3353319
lmao

Y’all want some true /beg/?

One month in.
Also I know the colors are off for sure.

>>3353372
>true /beg/
>more competent than box and sphere drawing fags
I don't think you understand what kind of place this is.

>>3353373
Don't do this, anon.

>>3353373
Already better than me, and I've been here 2 months

>>3353373
Yo, I'm here to get insulted. It's the only way I improve now. So find something shitty about it and say it.

>>3353377
This is a board of happy thoughts and peaceful resolutions. If you want people to insult you then I would suggest you go elsewhere.

>>3353013
Very cute. The face just looks so warm.

>>3353304
reminds me of el tigre cartoon

>>3353310
Too stylized

the flow of the clothing foldings and wrinkles is all messed up though

also the line-art is mediocre

>>3353451
mediocre?

>>3353372
This is just a crappy doodle like you'd draw in math class as a kid. Draw an actual non-stickfigure image and we'll talk.

>>3353461
uh

Yes

https://friendlyhand.deviantart.com/journal/Tips-for-smooth-clean-line-art-359879866

>>3353481
well what about the line art on this reimu i drew i'll read that tl;dr in the meantime

>>3353484
looks alright

Can I get some feedback on this so far?
Hows the pose and/or proportions and whatnot?

>>3353484
Clean up the stray lines, connect the broken ones, and please for the love of god use a stabilizer.

>>3353486
that one guy in the right is blicking nothing

kick so strong it went trough his arm

>>3353487
it is on stabilizer, set to S-5.

>>3353487
it is stabilized, it's on s-5.

>>3353490
Well, um, keep at it then. I remember back when my lines used to look like that but it definitely improved over time. I think it's a mileage thing, but you can always play around with different brushes for lines/sketches. I personally never liked the hard round brush so I switched around and never went back.

>>3353497
>>3353496
fucker

>>3352823
this looks just like a tibia character if any1 even remembers that mmo

>>3353497
Well what other brush is better than hard circle? I tried using this one since I switched from sai to clip studio paint and i mostly mess around with the watercolor brush and india ink one. because G pen isn't as good as SAI 2's regular pencil brush.

>>3353488
Are you saying the leg should be moved back or are you memeing me?

>>3353502
Fuck if I know how any software works, I just like using the pencil/square brushes. There's no magic bullet, just keep experimenting until you find one you like. May take a while before you do.

>>3353486
Lookin great though there are some things u could work on, the proportions seem off for the guys legs on the right, should be a bit longer and they dont seem to have equal length. Also the join at the pelvis of his right leg (from my perspec) seems a bit too far off. other than that it looks like a great start :)

>>3353506
I guess, one last shit drawing before i practice more

>>3353504
yes

>>3352482
another good way to practice lines is to use pen for drawings and practice hatching. You can make the hatches straight or contoured in other words you can practice your lines plenty by drawing forms and shading them. I find this slightly more bearable than just grinding straight lines

>>3353281
Her right arm is basically dislocated and much more "fleshy" than her left arm. For her shoulder to be in that position her torso should be rotated counter clockwise. The contours of said arm are also just completely off.
The left breast should connect to her armpit and the pectorals to the deltoid (shoulder muscle)
Eyes are symbols and the facial proportions are off (face is far too long for the placement of the top of the eye brows to the bottom of nose and bottom of chin -> these should be in thirds starting at the hairline).

Fabric doesnt bend like that.

Anyway- there is a lot that's wrong but we all start somewhere. Practice some gesture drawing from life and pay attention to twists and overlaps of the various forms of the body. Also draw some stuff from reference and observe how the arm is put together at the joints. All things being said the proportions are not super off so you've got the right idea and at least you have the concept of land marks on the body. Make sure you observe difference between male and female proportions

dunno if i should keep at this one or stop and majorly revise it before adding more details. does the character's arm look load bearing to you guys, or the pose right in general? and of course any other input is welcome

>>3353547
arm looks fuck huge but overall i can tell that it is load bearing. Might help if the elbow was closer to the thigh as it looks like its floating at the moment. maybe exaggerate by slouching the torso more and tilting the head (like she cant keep it up).

Right leg looks too small

>>3353554
i'm gonna try all of these immediately, thank u anon

Not too familiar with the pen. I think this drawing by itself inflamed my carpal tunnel.

>>3353651
That looks nice.
Maybe you should post in the (non-/beg/) drawthread.

>>3353676
get some taste

>>3353246
how do you draw a dotted line as part of a circle? to draw a circle i have to do the motion with my arm and then quickly put down pen and follow through. I dont think thats possible to do with a dotted line?

>>3353745
generally you use one of those drawing templates

Anime hair is hard for me..

>>3353874
Looks good anon. I don't think you're a /beg/ anymore. Alt or Draw thread would be better for you.

>>3353745
Like this anon.

>>3353545
Well, thats incredibly helpful. Thank you!
Just one thing I still dont get, are you saying the face should be lower or higher?

>Practice some gesture drawing from life and pay attention to twists and overlaps of the various forms of the body. Also draw some stuff from reference and observe how the arm is put together at the joints.
Will do.

>Make sure you observe difference between male and female proportions

Yeah, funnily enough, I have been using myself for reference on some things, like for example arm lenght in relation to the body. But last day I had this realization that a younger girl body is probably gonna be a bit different.

>>3353237
>>3352756
It's a new day and I did an hour drawing circles with your advices. I'm really happy with them.

>>3353913
Better you're gettingbthere anon. But don't press so hard when you're feathering. Try to make them as light as possible.

>>3353920
I don't press that hard. I tried to ghost and then do the circle 3 times light and then 5 times with normal pressure. I use a 3B pencil.

>>3353913
nice that's much better.

try to be more lighter though. after you're comfortable with the circles touching each other try out a few more things. for example: make a circle, make a line in the middle then make a circle that touches that line(middle of the first circle) repeat that with all subsequent circles. you don't need to make lines for those.

another good exercise is, instead of having straight horizontal lines as borders, make wavy lines and fit circles of different sizes inside it

>>3352068
is style real or simply a device to make your art stand out like crosshatching?

>>3353904
>use a compass
>a motherfucking compass

Is it alright to practice 2 fundamentals of art at the same time or stick to one?

>>3353874
Fuck off to the alt thread. You aren't getting any free compliments just because you post in /beg/ when you aren't remotely beginner.

>>3353973
Practice literally whatever you want, drawing is about you.

>>3353971
>if you wish

>>3353975
I wanna draw characters and design them mostly but figured dynamic sketching would be good too alongside figure drawing

>>3353717
Im a /beg/inner myself who can’t distinguish anything wrong in that image and am impressed, that’s all. Since you apparently aren’t why don’t you respond to their work with some crit instead of to me?

>>3353463
I know the coloring is shit but I was trying to follow the art style of adventure time. I don't know what to do to make it better.

>>3352069
Why is this thread more useful than the stick?

Damn, my neck and back hurts even though I was taking a 30 min break.

Critique?

>>3354073
There’s a porn thread for that shit

>>3354073
I don't GET IT, how are Jap artists better than us?

>>3354094
Because they draw.

>>3354107
>yeah man, just draw

>>3353934
I made that and already moved to ellipses. Need more work probably.

quickposes vs line-of-action?

I used to be really into drawing and art in general as a teenager and only recently picked up a pencil again. This is the start of the view of Yosemite valley and half dome.
I typically have no problem with shapes and perspective, but struggle to fail in smaller details that work well with the rest of the piece as well as shading.

>>3354073
Looks weird.

>>3354122
more pleasant looking than what you can do

also is it okay to freehand draw because pic related is what i made with freehand

I don't think I'm doing too bad considering that I've been drawing stuff other than cat faces for less than a month now

>>3354152
Who's that? Is that Crash Bandicoot?

>>3354154
Wow
No its just a doodle dude

>>3354152
It's shit, read the sticky because it'll take years for you to be this good as >>3354073

>>3354158
Yes because we all lust after the ability to draw cartoon twats since That all yall will ever see

>>3354160
It's a good start

>>3354160
Then you're NGMI.

>>3353676
>>3353651
Someone should leave beg when they can draw something similar to that pic with no reference.

>>3353926
>I don't press that hard
your lines are shining, you pressed hard

>>3354160
Have fun being stuck like this guy. >>3354108

>>3353676
>>3354164
Not to be rude but, no-way.

the draw thread is meant for people way above that skill level.

its sad there isn't a middle thread or anything, since the skill level in /beg/ is so varied.

>>3354114
Lower your resolution before posting

>>3354160
ngmi, can't even see the technical skill that this piece requires and is still focused on the idea of symbols.

>>3354160
Yes it's a cartoon twat but it's also fundamentally much better than your drawing. Your sketch looks like someone with zero training doodling in their notebook. Study some real fundamentals and apply yourself and you will see progress.

>>3354173
Yeah an /int/ermediate thread would be nice.

>>3354158
>good as >>3354073

>>3354192
What's funny

>>3354196
Your taste.

>>3354199
You talking shit about Doremy?

>>3354094
Yes anon, all japanese artists have art gains once they have picked up a pencil they never need to grind for that stuff and all, I repeat, ALL japanese artists are better than all of "us" ic.

the thing anon is 1- with this post you wanted to suck to the duck of the japanese because you are a disgusting weaboo or 2- You are actually this fucking stupid

>>3354213
yeah how he draw the pop girl so good

>>3354073
I can't read this

what is supposed to be going on there?

>>3354221
Holding her dream book.

>>3354229
but she is not holding it. there is no grip in that hand. is just like there. also is hard to tell the postion of the arm, how is it positioned for the hand to be like that

>>3354264
t. retard

>>3354264
>that filename
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxOnbpWVELU

>>3354269
okay. redline the arm mr genius

How do i draw hair without a darker/thicker pencil? Almost every drawing that I see uses a darker pencil to define hair and the white areas to define illumination.

Any tips?

>>3354318
looks like a burnt victim

>>3354318
I was looking through here https://h.bilibili.com/eden/draw_area#/all/hot

Something interesting I noticed is that the vast majority of hair doesn't have lines in the first place, or uses very little. It's more about dark and light areas showing volume.

>>3354318
hair is actually easy to do

several strokes with a flow

not memeing, just draw them.

>>3354326
Thanks, that's actually interesting.

>>3354328
I try to do a bunch of strokes, but it usually looks just like that, a bunch of strokes. Still gonna try and see what goes on. Thanks.

>>3354152
It's... extremely bad. But that's totally fine. I'd recommend working through Keys to Drawing. It's interesting, a good read, and will teach you good techniques without overwhelming you.

Three years of practice and reading books.
Can I give up now?

>>3354380
no

It’s supposed to be Clint Eastwood from A Fistfull of Dollars.
Please critique. How can I improve?

>>3354398
>>3352069

>>3354398
ears and nose too small, eyes might be too high. it looks like the top of his skull might be cut off (not referring to the hat), note eyes on the skull are actually around middle point of the skull

Tried again. Still not great, but i feel like I learned something.

Last time I'll make you all look at this burger lady.

Hands are Eh, and face is eh, it's all Eh but it's better than last time.

>>3354073
Where are her genitals?

>>3354398
Take your time and look at what you are drawing.

>>3354398
>How can I improve?
Life drawing is one of the first things you learn, you would have know than if you opened any god damn book

Read the fucking sticky you retard

>>3354428
But everything around in life is boring

>>3354398
Nose looks flat, define the mouth more, the head needs to be better shaped otherwise, learn where to position the face depending what angle he is looking at. Gl

>>3354417
You clearly understand the importance of shapes, forms, value and gesture and are focusing on them. You're gonna go far if you keep practicing in this manner.

Her forearms are too long (burger one moreso), the shadow on her torso below the breasts makes little to no sense (actually I can't tell where the light is coming from in general? It's all over the place though it looks like on a body part by body part basis it's consistent. weird). So, focus on light source consistency next time you color and don't experiment with having multiple ones yet. In fact, have you tried black and white value only studies of reference? Might be helpful and fun

Ponytail looks like a single solid massor a big twizzler, instead of a curled long wave like you were going for, I think due to the prevalence of straight lines and right angles. Hair rarely has that unless it's severely styled and cut
The burger holding hand you should have gone ahead and finish drawing the fingers on, for practice's sake The other one isn't bad but would be deformed if we could see it all, tip is that pinkies attach to a lower and different point on the hand then the rest of the fingers (their points of attaching are an arc -- in fact in general, you will refine your understanding of a hand by seeing how many patterns in them are arcs and not lines.) Upper skull is caving a bit but I can see you are trying to learn the shape of the head and skull, just practice more and do more face studies. Torso slightly too long it looks almost 5heads long to me (or it could be that the head is a little small and throwing the rest of her off. The very breasts are also making the head look smaller, it is rare for them to be actually the size of the head)

Keep at it! The volume of gesture and practice drawings you did is what people should aspire to output when they are learning. I hope some of the tips are useful

>>3354438
This is not the kind of crit anon, who is clearly still symbol drawing, will find useful. They need to start from scratch rather than refining this.
>>3354398
Read and learn from the image >>3352069. Basically you're drawing symbols for eyes and mouth, not what the eyes and mouth actually look like, the image and also the linked pages will elaborate.

How do I push myself to finish a drawing without burning out

How to improve?

>>3354528
bait

>>3354529
How is it fucking bait?

>>3354533
>"how do I improve"
>obviously no fundies attempted

>>3354528
Answer is anatomy study and drawing from life

>>3354517
Take breaks if you need to.
over time you will probably find your endurance improving, like a runner’s.
Also if you suffer from physical pain do hand loosening stretches before and after and check your posture when drawing

Welp. Another day another grind.
Slightly better this time! Maybe next week i will have fully straight lines!

So I'm trying to go through Loomis's fun with a pencil book. I get the ideas for constructing the head but I can't make my drawings exactly like his meaning my proportions are a bit off. Should I just keep continuing the other parts or grind out the same spots until my drawings are almost 1:1 to the examples?

Just general questions here (sorry if it sounds like something answerable in the documents)

- How much reference is okay for my drawing? I have no idea how to draw something out of thin air. Is it okay to heavily reference something at least a first?

-Is there some kind of a 3D model I can download or manipulate online for reference purposes? I don't have money for a figurine right now.

-Is there any guide on how I should fill up the page of my art? I need some inspiration

>>3354560
>How much reference is okay for my drawing? I have no idea how to draw something out of thin air. Is it okay to heavily reference something at least a first?
No shit

>Is there some kind of a 3D model I can download or manipulate online for reference purposes? I don't have money for a figurine right now.
https://sketchfab.com/trololord/collections/anatomy

>Is there any guide on how I should fill up the page of my art? I need some inspiration
What? You just draw as much as you feel comfortable drawing on any given page.

These are all dumb questions that you can answer with some simple self-reflection

drew ruby roser

>>3354564
>>>/beg/

>>3354562
I'm just starting out so I have no reference for literally anything. I don't even know what I want to draw yet.

>>3354571
Hmmm? So you're asking where to find references?

Go to pinterest, search up plants, animals, body parts. You'll find plenty there.

You can also go to one of the artbook threads there are some extreme poses on there. You can also do what I do and look up cosplay models on exhentai, most of it is non-lewd if that bothers you. I download sets there and usually work from those, usually the sets have plenty of interesting poses.

>>3354571
>I don't even know what I want to draw yet.

Focus on the basics, search up still-lifes on pinterest, along the way you might find interesting artists. Visit pixiv, h.bilibili, deviantart on occasion to find neato art

>>3354574
I have nothing against lewd. I will probably draw some as nude drawing is pretty essential, it looks like. Thanks for the info. I just wondered what people meant by 'references'. I guess this is what I get for jumping straight into a Wacom tablet without knowing what I'm doing to do with it. I'll just draw a ton of practice art for now. I'm loving the pen sensitivity options in my new tablet.

>>3354575
Thanks, that sounds like it could be fun in itself just browsing through good art. Kind of funny seeing some western artists take up shop in Pixiv, it seems like.

>>3354108
that sprite in his first years was really good
should have just stuck to sprite work

>>3354564
Bad line art

>>3354581
oh shit why'd you point that out, now i'm kind of sad. kid could've been a decent sprite artist instead of ten wasted years.

>>3354108
>nearly a decade since that image has posted
>has not improved at all

This is nightmare tier stuff, I have the self-awareness though to know I'm shit and would give up if I can't improve in that span.

>>3354586
How does stagnation of this magnitude even happen? I've already seen my art change a lot the past week.

>>3354598
You stop improving the moment you're satisfied with what you output.

>>3352870

nice cocodile

>>3354586
He wrote this not too long ago. This kind of mindset seems to be a death nail, even though it's not exactly obvious.

>>3354479


Thank you for the crits and observation. I've attached the reference I've been using for the chick. On closer look, I think the light is coming from above?

>>3354555

Good effort. If you combine this practice with drawing cubes and boxes, you can do two exercises at once.

>>3354609
Also, i just noticed the orangutang arms in my drawing. Hah, wow.

Gesture drawing is bullshit, I hate when a book just straight up lies to you at the beginning, they tell you that ever drawing is made of "C S and I lines" and then immediately show gesture drawings filled with lines that only the longest arm in the word could hope to fit into these categories with how fucking far you have to reach.

>>3354110
i dont get how this is an excercise...what is it supposed to be fixing?

>>3354617
All about learning to control your pencil using your wrist and shoulder.

When should I challenge myself to create my first art piece? I am working fundamentals and learning my tools at the moment. It's not a bad thing to get some skills before starting?

>>3354644
Whenever you want, just make sure you don't demotivate yourself by wanting to draw something out of your skill-level.

I'm starting to realize that I'm not sure when I should move on from line and shape practice and into other aspects of beginner drawing.

So I have a pretty bad grasp on form, 3D and such, my drawings are flat as shit and just amateurish, I am not posting my work here, just asking for study advice. It blows my mind how people draw stuff that doesn't look flat as shit.
So to get over this, would it be best for me to practice basic geometric shapes? Like cubes, spheres, cylinders, every day, alongside I dunno, human anatomy and also gesture?
I've gone through some books, and it's kind of what I figured, I just want a second opinion or further advice if possible.

>>3354676
draw from life

books dont teach you as much as actually drawing

>>3354676
Seems like you figured it out on your own anon. Yeah do both of those things as often as possible

Trying to practice rendering by drawing a simple cup. Did these in SAI, the one on the left is used with just rectangle brushes, and the right is using the oil blend brush. My shitty cell camera makes it appear more illuminated and red than it is in real life though. Also I noticed after the fact it's too brown and not orange enough.

Please send help. I have no idea how rendering works.

>>3354648
Have you tried drawing a square yet? I say your lines are starting to look better. look at the lines on the left and compare them to the middle and the right. Clear improvement. They don't have to be perfectly straight like a ruler to move on just straight enough so the shapes don't look wobbly. Go for it move on to shapes. From now on do 5-10 lines as warm ups before drawing shapes.

>>3354555
You don't need to wait till you have perfect straight lines to move on to shapes. I actually think you can begin doing shapes right now.

>>3353926
That's not how you do it. It should be 1 time normal pressure not 5.

My Komamura

>>3354560
1. it's okay to use a reference for drawing as long as it's for studying. If it's for a commission you have to use photos that you own and have the rights to.

2. Don't use models as reference for studying. It will make your drawings come out stiff. Pros only use it as a shortcut for quick ideas.

3. Fill up a page? What do you mean by this.

How do i git gud at gestures?

>>3354715
thats bad

Ya know, my drawing may still be shit, but really is amazing how encouraging it is to get a quick glance of one of my lewd drawings when I'm not expecting it and feel that little tingle of a boner.

>>3354729
just draw

seriously, they are advanced circle and lines excercises

also read a gesture book. there are shitons of those, vilppu figure drawing and force life for animators comes to mind

>>3354733
That's like popping a boner to your daughter. Wth man

>>3354581
It's an edit of sprites from Pokémon games, a pretty minor edit at that too. I just put Ash and May's clothes on the Young Couple trainer class.
>>3354586
>has not improved at all
That's not exactly true. There are several areas where I have improved but they're mostly minor improvements.
>>3354598
A lot of different things effecting different areas in different ways. I covered a few of them in this thread >>3332719 if people are interested.

>>3354709
I have, but they were looking pretty bad. I just did this right now after I saw your post, to give you an idea of where I'm at -right now-.

I think it's pretty obvious that my attempt to freehand everything and my inability to maintain a straight line heavily hinders my perspective. Everything looks lopsided and uneven, leading me to go back to practicing Lines and basic Shapes over and over again.

I need to work on the lighting near my desk. You can barely see what's in the photo.

>>3354756
Err, welcome to 4chan. You did improve, that's true, but considering it is a span of 10 years it is abysmal. You really should get out of your comfort zone for a day and once you feel exhausted go back to drawing regular things. Your progress is my nightmare

>>3354762
Measure, Measure, Measure, Measure, Measure, Measure, Measure, Measure, Measure

>>3354769
Should I be using a ruler? Everyone I ask keeps telling me that it's a crutch that'll impact me negatively later on, but at this point I'm not sure if I should continue without it.

>>3354771
By measure I mean using your pencil to gauge angles and proportions of objects in relation to one another.

>>3354771
You can use a pencil to measure you know.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring

Cubes became fun as fuck after you learn the basic rules.

When you guys make cylinders do you always think of it being encased in a cube first, or can it become intuitive like cubes are?

>>3354778
Pretty much. Once you learn how to do Cubes in perspective every thing else comes pretty easy.

>>3354765
It's worth noting that until 2013 I didn't draw that frequently. I'd be inspired to draw a bunch of things in a row and then go back to not drawing again. The art projects were my way around that and I have seen results from it but something the thread I made this tripcode to reply to made me think about is that I'm going to need to try out other methods to help improve in other areas. One method I have planned is to start using a sketch book to draw things I don't plan on scanning more often.

>>3354772
>>3354774
I actually had no idea about any of this.

So I basically hold my pencil up in relation to the object I'm attempting to gauge. So if I'm looking at a horizontal line, I should hold the pen up vertically and vice versa?

>>3354789
Did you not watch the video >>3354774 posted? Fuck off.

>>3354778
You should do some really tiny ones to help push it all back more

>>3354756
Did /ic/ just change history? How did I miss this thread?

Well, after a four month hiatus I've finally begun drawing again. Here is some work I posted, I'm really tired of constantly drawing in and out so I thought I'd try something different and ask if anyone wants to buddy up on discord or something, maybe keep each other motivated and stuff.

>>3354802
Well since that old art progress image of mine appears to get posted a lot without noticing my replies it probably didn't stand out.

>>3354882
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>>3354778
Your cubes suck. They're becoming fun because you're just ignoring the rules. All parallel lines should be converging, but on a lot of yours they're actually separating. Also, you get lazy with the far parallel line which should converge more but on yours they usually are actually parallel with the closest edge.

Sorry to be harsh, I thought it would have been pointed out but nobody has an eye for it I guess.

>>3354899
Nobody really cares to say anything.

>>3354398
I'm going to go with trace a light outline and learn to render with greylead a lot better first, then you can move on to a grid method or whatever method you'd like to get that starting outline.

pic related I traced the linework of this portrait and then rendered it. I had zero drawing experience before this and just a few pieces later I am able to produce better work.

>>3354398
Get the proper tools for how you want to render faces, do you want to do scanlines, or do you want soft blending, look up what you need to do that. (blending stumps erasers etc)

So this is a month and a half later after the first pic I gave you, I am no longer cruxed to trace outline and my methods to render are more refined. I still have a long way to go personally because I'd like to do semi realism which is a lot harder than actual portraits.

good luck anon

how many mistakes can i get away with if i just make things as vague as possible?