/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Tried to make a Sonic OC

Anyone got any tips on how to paint metal?

Links to tutorials would be greatly appreciated.

quick study last night

Update

>>3347728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWMBNxxjoi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7juWm5srN9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z7E8b0POx0

A painting experiment, in progress.

>>3347747

Many thanks anon.

>>3347728
There's so many tuts for doing different metals, but my best tip, that goes for all materials too, is to take a close look at it in different conditions, and thinking about how to render it using your own workflow.

Metal is one of those things, along with water etc. that you can virtually spend an infinity trying to render to perfection, and you will go mad in the process. I suggest you do a few smaller studies of a couple of spheres or cutlery or other simple objects, and try to render them as detailed as you possibly can, to try to familiarize yourself with how the material works.

Once you have a better grasp, you should try to to abstract and simplify, incorporating it into your workflow.

>>3347728
There's so many tuts for doing different metals, but my best tip, that goes for all materials too, is to take a close look at it in different conditions, and thinking about how to render it using your own workflow.

Metal is one of those things, along with water etc. that you can virtually spend an eternity trying to render to perfection, and you will go mad in the process. I suggest you do a few smaller studies of a couple of spheres or cutlery or other simple objects, and try to render them as detailed as you possibly can, to try to familiarize yourself with how the material works.

Once you have a better grasp, you should try to to abstract and simplify, incorporating it into your workflow.

>>3347758
>>3347728
I copy what I saw sinix do in a stream once, paint a sphere of the same reflectivity and specularity in the same envrionment (meaning it would reflect the same sky, ground, surroundings) and color pick from that.

Posted in last thread, but again, trying to learn how to work digitally; any thoughts are welcome. What am I doing wrong? What exercises should I be doing, what should I be reading?
Help me git gud

Im redoing the wings, done with the smoke/clouds now to finish Night Stalker and the moon and its all done

>>3347895
For starters, get a better brush. The hard round/pressure set to opacity is usually good. Try not to use soft brushes for now. Also you should typically work on a canvas that’s at least 300ppi.

Here is the progress on one of my current commissions'. Any critique on what's been done so far would be much appreciated.

>>3347912
Get ref for the hands, they are tooooo small and pretty ganked.

>>3347248
>>3347792
The vignette was a good call. I was going for a depth blur on the hand; redid it using gaussian filter instead of airbrush.

>>3347282
I've been putting off making one but thanks for reminding me. Trying to think of a name

finished this 2day

>>3348005
neat. At first glance I though the two little diagonal bits were eyes

>>3348005
nile?

>>3347895
Try this for your next study:

Start with two values - light and dark. These are not your lightest light or darkest dark. once you have broken the subject down into light and dark shapes then you can add core shadows and occlusion shadows and fill/bounce light to your dark areas, and highlights to your light areas. After this start blending your different values together where they meet but don't over blend and pay attention to edge quality - faster value transitions denote sharper edges or creases and softer value transitions imply a smoother surface. When adding fill light to your dark areas or form shadows to your light areas keep in mind this simple mantra: "the dark in the light is brighter than the light in the dark". This means that your darkest value on the light side of your subject should still be lighter than the lightest value on the dark side of your subject.

>>3348015
o7
>>3348011
my bad lol

>>3347912
nip placement confuses me
gray girl face is pretty good, but white girl appears oddly neckless and her shoulder is odd. her arm doesn't look load bearing. gray girl has a looong left arm.

>>3347279
i don't know why no one has said anything about this yet. it's really stunning.

>>3348003
Excellent work anon. Would love to have you as a workshop partner

>>3347279
Thought this was a photo, really nice

>>3348067
thanks bruh. you can join me on discord if you want I get pretty bored while I'm rendering and shit

https://discord.gg/6dEKm

second time rendering without lineart
any critics are welcome, since idk what I'm doing

>>3347736
How long is too long for a speedpaint? I was shooting for about 30 min for this, ended up being closer to an hour wasted time scribbling and erasing the livery

>>3348114
You'll probably want to study some colour and light for starters. After you've got the hang of it you should also start looking into mark making.

Your perspective isn't too bad but it seems you were rushing it at some places.

First thing that came to mind when I saw the second image was Dali.

>>3348114
Work with bigger brushes moving to smaller. Try to use the biggest brush you can and lowest amount of strokes. Looks almost likes pixel art at this point. Also what >>3348152 said, I think my advice touches a bit on mark making.

Made a self portrait jug going back tomorrow to fix the nose

>>3348163
my nose isn't so aquiline, its a bit more bulbous, but when I smoothed it out with a sponge it altered the shape a little bit

>>3348163
I’m sorry you look like that, man.

>>3347751
I like the limited palette, very nice

can someone give me critique on it overall? I've only started drawing very recently and I never come here, I'll stay for a bit to critique others but I'm an amateur ;;-;;

ozen from made in abyss, I sort of wanted dark souls vibes

>>3348307
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working on this

I just shit this out of my mind tonight

>>3347279
>>3348061
>>3348086
Thank you! I think I'm pretty much done now.

Just a small dude

>>3348194
Thanks. I think that might be the only successful part so far. Right now I'm repainting the nose and eyes, and to me the brushstrokes are looking a little laboured. It's a really small study piece and I ought not put so much work in.

>>3348114

It's too saturated, tone it down a bit.

Also, paint using reference more often. By doing this you'll understand how light and colors interact more.

>>3347912

Is a monster supposed to be towering over them? If so, then work on his cast shadow. I can't make out what kind of monster it is or if it's even a monster at all.

>>3347736


Great job, keep doing more.

Also, keep in mind the form of whatever you're painting. The car looks soft and not metal-ish.

hey guys I'm completely new to coloring and I know fuck all about it I'm currently working from flats to try and add volume and see if I can figure shit out

I can't find any decent coloring guides and I hope you guys can help direct me to the right direction

pic related is my pathetic attempt to color

I feel I am hitting a brick wall when it comes to technique. Not sure how to make things more defined without spending a lot of time on it, same goes for my line quality.

>>3348667
Learn some colour theory
An important thing is that when picking a colour for the shadow, don't just make it less saturated and or darker, shift the hue to a darker colour as well. It's a small and basic thing but it works really well

>>3348697
not that anon but do you have any resources you'd recommend for learning colour thoery? It's something I also struggle with

>>3348709
you just need to read a book about it.
it's not even really color theory. it's just theory. color theory relates specifically to color design really, not the practical way color works in nature, that's just painting. what you really want to look up is a book about how light works in relation to art.

isn't there a book called 'color & light: something something', that should be a good one.

it may also do you well, very well in fact, to read something aimed at photographers, lighting for photos etc. their various lamps and lights are excellent metaphors for real and imaginary lighting situations.

it's worth knowing how the technology you're using actually produces it's color too, as you may find that it is a lot more imperfect than you think.

>>3348697
that only happens if you assume that the secondary lighting is blue i.e. in direct sunlight shadows will be bluish because of the scattered blue light.

>>3348745
When is that not the case ever?

>>3348746
Indoors lighting

>>3348747
or some place where light gets reflected from a ground and the ground is some specific color, like grass

>>3348745
no it always happens, just not in the same way. an object doesn't get less colorful (saturation) because it has less light on it , it just isn't reflecting as much light (luminance). and obviously you can see more ambient and reflected light which changes the color, even if it's the same source the ambient light doesn't affect the apparent color of the shadowy bits of the object in the same way,

>>3347270

>>3347270
and another one

Seriously Painter, stop crashing anytime now ffs

>>3348837
>2018
>using painter 2018

>>3348817
if you dont want this girl to hate you, then dont show her this drawing

>>3348841
Ouch! Is it really THAT bad?

>>3348845
No, show it to her. Whether she reacts positively or negatively it will motivate you to improve

>>3348847
She's nice so i'm 100% sure she will react positively.

>>3348841
Can you tell me what's wrong with the drawing so I can improve?

>>3348817
Eyes are too far apart. Fix that and it'll look a lot better.

>>3348851
appreciate the critique

>>3348840
Is the 2018 version the problem? I like the brushes and the way the “paint” blends. I’ve got an i5 with 12 gigs of ram and a nvidia 1060 video card so my computer shouldn’t be the problem.

>>3348852
No prob, a good rule of thumb is that eyes should be one eye-width apart, any farther and they start to look like FAS

I almost can't believe I'm doing color and rendering faster on the iPad than with the laptop and cintiq

>>3348890
colors look like donald duck brah

>>3348890
lol so? your shit looks ugly anyway

>>3348902
Lol. That is true, good catch. Unfortunately the design isnt mine. I might try to change some values and hue to avoid this. Thanks

>>3348904
No shit Sherlock.

>>3348890
what stylus? I have an adonit and use procreate on ipad but it's not worth making art with

>>3348890
I have many questions

A little WIP between commissions.

>>3347912
Fixed the neck, hands, and detailed the monster's cast shadow a bit.

>>3348890
got a blog?

Wip from a poster i'm doing for a contest

>>3348858
bump for painter advice, don't want to start a new thread, but I'd really like to keep using this program

>>3349032
this is cute i like it

a work in progress, almost finished.gotta finish the hands and maybe add some trees in the bg

>>3349110
upper arm too long, forearm too short. left arm too thick. I get that her left arm is "monstrous" or something but it doesn't read well having that jarring juxtaposition without supporting foretellers.

some random sf I did yesterday instead of projects for classes

I drew with my foot

https://youtu.be/-2KpDRWXl6s

Reposting from /alt/ since all I was getting were complaints about the watermark

>>3349207
I like the colours and the composition a lot but it all seems too flat
also the mouth's a symbol
and yeah the watermark is disturbing your composition, it's really not a good place to put it
>>3349204
What kind of criticism are you expecting to get from this? Did you post this thinking "I'm sure they'll give me advice on how to draw better with my foot next time" ?
no you didn't
you just tought it'll get you some more views on your awful video
fuck off
>>3349110
wondeful stuff
I just feel like she doesn't really look like she belongs there
maybe you should add a projected shadow from the tree onto her body? Or some more greenish tones on her skin since the light of the whole scene's green?
idk she seems copy&pasted in there

and i don't like it, it's just too bland

>>3349049
where are her hands?

>>3349032
i had to say, i love how simple it is, adorable

I know the art is shitty, but I think it's worthwhile to post this here.
I've already decided to deepen the gray, starting at the current in progress unreleased page, but any other criticism will be appreciated.

https://endgamewastaken.tumblr.com/post/171977510314/
http://endgamewastaken.the-comic.org

>>3347751
Updating, finished.

>>3349250
Whoa, uploading desaturated my image. Had no idea that was a thing....

>>3347751
Updating, finished.

>>3347751
Updating, finished. For some reason uploading is desaturating the image.. I've never noticed that before.

>>3349261
Actually it worked this time..

>>3349217
>I like the colours and the composition a lot but it all seems too flat
I wanted to go for more of a rough/sketchy look but halfway I got kinda lost and didn't really know what to do with it so I just finished it half-assedly. I'm not too happy with it but I figured it was better than scrapping the whole thing.

>also the mouth's a symbol
I wanted the mouth to look like an exaggerated Venom(Spiderman) mouth.

>and yeah the watermark is disturbing your composition, it's really not a good place to put it
Where does one usually put it? Should I just put it in the corner next time?

Thanks for the input either way anon

>>3349218
The mouth looks a little pasted on. Try doing the hair with broad strokes, ony illuminating details with small strokes here and there to give a sense of texture. Drawing every strand of hair is not the way to go... it's also time consuming. I really like the rendering of the jacket.. I can hear it crumpling in a jacket-y sort of way.

>>3349291
thanks, i also felt that her mouth looked weird
i aprecciate your critique

finished this

Which parts are the worst and which should I improve the most, except from the general shittyness.

Don't hold back, let your hate be my motivation to improve.

Still sketchy, but i need some opinions on the composition and colors.

>>3349374
Lower the eyes, and decrease the size. Please reference a head proportions diagram (Google it.), else you want her to look like a bootleg bratz doll.
I don't have the tit tutorial on me, but someone will so I'm just gonna wait on that.
Wrists aren't that thin either. You look like you're trying to stylize before knowing proportions and it's bad.
Stay safe anon.

>>3349391
Needs more contrast. The colors are really muddy and dull, I think you should try using a complementary or trimaran color scheme to help push the contrast.

>>3349417
TRINARY* fuck. I see you got the green/purple thing going on though. Try using more of that yknow? Like a FIRM color pallet. There's too much brown.

>>3348976
Please don't shade with black. That's all I ask of you.

>>3348932
Imho the only way to do proper art on the ipad is using the following combo: Ipad Pro + Apple pencill + Procreate

>>3348933
It is a fan art of Vermintide 2

>>3349018
firez-tbr.tumblr.com

I have other pages but this one gets updated daily

>>3349374
Watch your proportions, see redline. What exactly was the purpose of the drawing? At first, I just figured you were practicing proportions, but then I saw the elf head, so I'm wondering if you're inventing a character.

If it's just practicing proportions, don't worry about making such neat lines. Better to practice again and again doing it messily but trying to be accurate. If this is a character concept, you definitely need to explore some more interesting poses before spending a lot of time on this. In either case, there's no need to hide the hands or feet like you have, you need to practice them.

>>3349391
I disagree with >>3349417, the colours can work, but make sure the values are working first. The composition is okay, but I like the flow/movement if you know what I mean. For me the real problem is that it's unclear what's going on. I see a horse dragon coming out of a hole in the wall, then some teeth floating in front of it's face, projecting the lightning. Is it meant to be a horn? Next thing I would do is really refine all the shapes so that we know what's going on.

>>3349366
To me, this looks cheezy and painted very lazily with not a lot of attention to detail. It's also really ugly, but that can be okay.

>>3349366
The thing that's making it ugly is primarily the colours. They're just all over the colorwheel, chosen and arranged seemingly ramdomly on the canvas. To a lesser degree, it's the really lazy, unconsidered shapes. It looks like it was your first time painting all those objects.

Work in progress - please critique

first image wasn't resized. This is a work in progress, just need to know if there are things needing changes.

>>3349423
Thanks for the tip.

Here is something in the works

Update from
>>3348974

Strongly considering changing the guy's hairstyle.

>>3349417
>>3349419
So do you mean implementing more purple and blue and getting rid of the mayority of the desaturared red on the background?
Also thank you for your input.

>>3349452
I see. Well, the problem may be because it's still a little messy. That thing is supossed to be some sort of retractile horn that captures the lightning.
Thanks man.

the proportions of this face seem off, but i can't tell what it is. maybe it's the perspective of the features/shapes?

Im depressed so I draw doodles to cheer me up I start try to draw real things but end up making doodles because deep down I want to br far from reality as possble or I just cant make mental images so I draw what I feel I see in a mess of scribbles.

Been fiddling with this for a while

>>3348003
man that is excellent

>>3348890

>>3349576
Depending on the size this has to be shown in, it could use some more contrast on the focal point maybe? It's so dark on my small screen that my eyes just wander to the bundle of swords asap, I almost missed the face/mask until I zoomed in. In fact if I squint I completely lose the face. If it's supposed to be shown bigger though it's probably fine, I really like those hands. Although the two touching the zweihaender and the one grasping the knee are not as good as some of the others in shadow or the one holding the mask. By not as good I don't mean not as rendered, it's just that they look a bit muddy-ish. I'm nitpicking now.

>>3349232
Jim Lee regularly does portfolio reviews now.
He's really good at critiquing and giving lessons on lighting and anatomy. The pages he picks are usually super hero-related but it's worth a shot.

>>3349576
this is very cool but I cant tell what the fuck is happening.

>>3349452
This is great input. (I’m not even any of the artists you responded to, just pleased to see someone being helpful.)

>>3348976
When the other person said ‘work on the cast shadow’ I’m not sure they meant ‘add a bunch of little details.’ The issue is that it doesn’t read as a monster looming over them at all (at first I thought it was a weird textural background shape, then I thought the shadow of some forest brush...)

Hopefully the shadow is on its own layers, I strongly suggest you play with its shape and saturation. Maybe look up some images of a similar situation (characters in shadow of an unseen object in the viewers location.)

>>3349616
Darken the skaven up, it’s fucking up the composition

wip, not excited about the work that needs doing on the scepter and the crown

>>3349705
shit, looks cool anon

>>3349705
Looks cool.

>>3347728
>>3347747
>>3347759
>>3347771

Thanks for the tips!

I just finished coloring my lineart and this is what I got.

Any critiques on the shine of the armor? does the drapery look distinctly different in terms of texture than the armor?

>>3348400
>>3347896
neat

did this quick study, will do a more refined one .
50x100 cm ink on paper

>>3349705
Looks great!
Just fix the perspective on the scepter, at least above the ball element. Tilt it back to fit with the hand

>>3349562
Kill yourself, useless piece of trash.

Kind of new to acrylic painting, I think if I spent about three more hours on it it may look pretty decent. Does anyone have any decent tutorials on acrylics?
>>3349774
That's funny, I'm about to do a hanging scroll painting for class. I like the simplicity (as is usually called for in this type of painting) but I think you could vary your brushstrokes on the top portion. A simple wash may look nice! Cool stuff

>>3350130
Also did this last night hanging out in a hotel room :v

>>3349766
Upload and then downloas your pix so they're smaller file sizes
3mbs is big for a drawing m9

>>3349501
Your guy has childlike almost effeminate features while you gave him a chad like saddle jaw so it looks wonky and out of proportion. Enlarging the jaw makes it look like he has a bit of an underbite. Look up age signature of male characters (Istebrak has a few videos on it) Colours are a bit brown and muddy too, might want to soften things up a bit

>>3349784
oh thank you, I didn't even notice that! I might just redraw the hand to be more in line with the scepter's perspective, hate drawing geometric things hahah

>>3349261
Neat, blog?

>>3349562
I’m glad you’re having fun and hope you feel better but this isn’t the thread/board for your doodles. Put those on your fb or something.

Update.

>>3350332
Few quick fixes from things I noticed.

>>3350350
Fascy* lol

>>3350355
Bash the Fash?

Not rocket science here, scrub.

>>3350350
her head looks a bit small compared to his. also her clothes aren;t particularly fashionable despite having a...fashion bf? like the way the shorts fit isn't very modern

This quick delivery I did for the /co/ drawthread the other day is fairly representative of where I'm at.
>>99283514
Any tips for improvement would be much appreciated!

>>3350393
you knew this was coming: anatomy& gesture practise for you

in the face nips in like that because of the eye socket, in between the brow and the cheekbone. it's not an arbituary dent. move eyes down at least

>>3350380
Adjustment on the shorts. I think if I trim the hair a bit, it'll back in proportion.

>>3350436
Thanks! And yeah, I knew that was coming. Working on it!

>>3347270

>>3349452
the "artist" here, thanks so much for the useful response :D
I'll try to better the proportions and use a redline map to do so, and I'll draw alot of sketches instead of polishing one bad drawing.

As for the purpose, it was just a practice, so yea I shouldn't have spent so much time on the polishing

Again, thanks for the useful response! Have a good day :)

>>3350350
too many buttons on the dude's shirt, I'd erase every other one

>>3348858
I think it's just Corel. I get the same problem with this and their other art software.

They have a serious lag issue after you've made x many inputs, and if you try to change up a tool or layer in the middle of a lag, you're fucked. The software can't handle it, no matter how fast your CPU and GPU, no matter how much RAM you have.

Here is how I solve it: When lag gets shitty, I (1) scream "FUCK!" (2) screenshot what I have just in case I need to re-create it (3) save what I have, if possible, then (4) shut down the whole program and start it again.

Closing out the file and reopening it doesn't do the trick. You have to shut down the program itself.

If I wait too long to do it, I get the same "has stopped working" gong of death as you.

I don't know why this is how it is, it's just how it is.

what do i make him say, ladies?

>>3350624
but i poop from there

>>3350624
"xerox niggers have no value"
is my suggestion

could someone please crit this for design/colour? it's supposed to be a 1700sy bedroom.

>>3350634
bit weird having like all pink and a tiny bit of green, are you colorblind?

>>3350633
nogainz say the darnedest things :*

>>3350633
SNIPPITY SNIP

>>3350472

like 14 hrs in, feeling really bogged down by all the rendering i need to do. ive changed the lighting a lot so i keep re-rendering the hair and its getting annoying.

>>3349766

Update, I rendered the armor for a few more hours.

>>3350693
hmm you are not proceeding in the right order..if 14 hrs in why is the background a blob of confused strokes ? It doesnt have to be tight but you need to figure out its overall value and composition for it will affect your subsequent choices on the figure... Also those hands... dont ignore them...

Made this ten mintes ago for the womens history month bulletin board at the school i teach at

>>3350721
cleaned up the background a little, you're right the blops where distracting, I'll deal with the hands tomorrow. I need to sit down and make sure my drawing is solid before I start painting. thank you

>>3350736
thats raw talent if Ive ever seen some

>>3350744
Really?

WIP

>>3348362
Practice drawing ten of the same character in different poses. Try minimizing your pen strokes

>>3350739
Think about the lighting, there's too many lighting scenarios going on at the same time

>>3349766
add specularity and reflect the knight's surroundings

>>3349462

Dude. Just get some reference. I don't know if you're trying to do Kraven or your latino dad or what ever but just get a lot of reference. I did a ~7min. overpainting just looking at myself in the mirror and I don't look anything like your guy there but it still helped. You'll get much more dynamic poses and when you've done a bunch of these you won't need reference... Your wolf was all fucked up too. I started to fix him but then I was like "fuck it". Just googled "angry wolf" and I found a picture of an angry wolf. Even though your wolf had some white eyes the one I found on google looks much more fierce and intense. If you can't do fierce/intense from your imagination how about you just do an actual wolf (they's spooky enough).

>>3350320
http://christianfrederiksen.com/

>>3350596
thanks!

First attempt at digital painting (after a couple of years of not drawing anything because of depression), pretty shitty but i wanna start learning so i get better. I still can't get used to drawing on the tablet while looking at the monitor, feels so weird.

Any good youtube channel for learning?

>>3350679
So if I'm reading this right.... Smaller lips bring the hair down, the cheeks forwards and push the lighting more?

>>3349522
Tfw u get ignored

>>3350848

I'm sorry man but It's just a silhouette of every day street signs against an every day evening sky. This might have some relevance as a part of a story board or if you wanted to have a text on the top left but there isn't a lot to say about this. It's not particularly well executed (messy) and you didn't ask for any particular critique or tell us what this is for so yeah. That's what you're gonna get.

>>3350819
what brushes u use

>>3349522
>>3350858

See, I made something similarly boring and messy by looking at some shit from Google street view in about 8 minutes. That's why you're not getting any crits. It's because what you're doing is nothing. It looks like nothing.

tonight's sketch/speedpaint

>>3350987
oh yeah long torso and fucked up hand i know but I've been hungover all day

>>3350987
uh, I believe it's spelled 'personnel'...

>>3349366
I like your use of color in the foreground but the background is so flat and blocky, like an afterthought. If you look at them separately, the foreground has a delicate complexity of color and the background looks like the kind of thing a primary school aged child would compose. The juxtaposition is not appealing. But that foreground - wow; spectacularly nuanced.

>>3351021
It is not in this context

>>3350637
it's supposed to be pink girl's room. what would look better?

>>3350987

Finished this yesterday , got bored with the piece so I rushed the rest of it I guess. I have decided to quit art school and just focus on digital ( where I live we only have traditional schools ,and even there you dont learn anything ) , so I guess wish me luck. I take it will take me about 2 years of constant practice until I get good enough to get work / hired , hopefully Ill find some courses for digital painting nearby dont have money for the real deal online stuff

>>3350624
I would also add this is super neat

>>3351191
>>3351191

Your earlier version >>3347896 is better. You can tell even from the thumbnail

Here are some ways where things turned south IMO:
>Color
Though some of the vibrant blues are nice, most are too intense and break the overall mood and color harmony from the earlier stage.

>Hands
Should really get refs for hands, even using quick studies of your own hands helps a lot. The old left hand position was more interesting than the current with is stiffer and less expressive.

>Values and Form
Wasn't perfect in the original, but definitely got worse. Try treating each body part as a primitive form. Focus on the overall distribution of light and dark when mapping your values. Looking at the trapezius, deltoid and upper arm muscles, you are giving each minor form their own highlights and deep shadows when you could instead emphasize the overall cylinder form of the arm. If it helps you can even imagine the whole upper body (minus wings) as a sphere, pay attention to what's in light and what's in shadow, then emulate that onto the figure. Can help dictate where lightest lights should go.
(1/2)

>>3351191
>>3351526
>Detailing
This is your biggest issue. You're overly relying on linework where a more painterly approach with edge variety would work better. The older version was more painterly, and instead of refining using the same approach and slowly painting on top of your lines, you opted to use lines that make many minor forms read poorly. The lines on the arm around the deltoid read like pinching valleys, ignoring how skin lies on top of muscle and would smooth out the separation of muscles. This is the same issue with that devilman you posted in an earlier thread.

Details are an issue in areas you should be consulting refs. The webbing of the wings don't look anything like bat wings both from a lighting standpoint and texture content. Like the devilman, where you could render interesting skin texture you instead overdo these spaghetti-like lines along every minor form that just don't read like anything believable. Doesn't look like muscle, skin, scales, bumps, or anything we'd imagine on demon skin.

You're taking your time zooming in drawing out the shape of individual teeth, but completely ignoring the overall lighting scenario that dictates which group of teeth should be lightest, which group is in shadow, etc. The old rougher version had some indication that you considered your light source, but then you suddenly throw that away. Same issue exists for the gums, where the rough version shows a clear light source and the newer version is flat in favor of marking each bump.

>tldr;
Focus on your big forms, and don't stop focusing on them as you refine. Stop relying on line where edge and value play can better show forms. Instead of laying in layers of parallel lines for supposed detail, think about what textures you want to imply, where you want to deliberately show it to the viewer, and where you want to omit it for a better read. Keep this stuff in mind for future pieces.
(2/2)

>>3351528
>>3351526
Not that guy but good critique, I learned a lot even tho I’m nowhere near the guy that posted the demon. /ic/ isn’t dead yet.

>>3350627
underrated

what do you think of the composition so far?

>>3351637
really flat and kinda boring

figure painting I'm working on

>>3351637
None of it is directing the eye anywhere or otherwise adding to/complementing the work? So not very good.

See if you can arrange elements and values in order to make the high five the thing our eyes settle on

>>3350746
No they’re being a smart alec.
You’re symbol drawing really hard anon, look up what that is and see about unlearning it (check the beginners general for some good resources and books)

>>3350819


anyone?

>>3351651
pretty colors

30 minute sketch from a mirror, too bad it barely looks like me.

>>3350819
Block in big simple value shapes first. You're diving into detail too fast.

>>3351651
Cool, but the values aren't organized so I can't see the form. If intentional, carry on.

>>3349668
Thank you

>>3350693
Some areas look too soft, particularly on his face, you might want to add darker values around the bottom of the composition too

>>3351778
Comp isn't compelling. It's obvious you drew pretty girl portrait, then tried to shoehorn narrative on top. If you want to tell a story you should really be testing a dozen or so widely different compositions with different camera angles and position, different setting, different lighting, different poses, etc. Stop just throwing shit down on the canvas then render render render until you like it.

>>3351790
I think that anon is doing a commission

>>3348586
Thanks, yeah looking back at the reference pic there where some instances of reflectivity I missed, too distracted by the livery. Also if I cleaned up the edges it might’ve hardened the car up a bit.

>>3351856
Been appx 7 years since I sat to draw like this...

>>3351856
nice colors

kinda mediocre drawing

>>3351860
You thought it was done? This is still in the beginning stages. I was laying down the first layer of colors and shadows before adding details and inking over the watercolors.

>>3351860
I'm curious tho, what aspect would you say is mediocre? Th>>3351860
line work, the coloring, the subject? The composition?

I'm curious, because it's been a while, and I need to loosen my hand up again for some new work.

>>3351856
Stop treating nipples like they're "details". they're skin. you block in the nipples too.

>>3351873
Where? I haven't even added lines or color to them?
Can you point it out?

>>3351637
is it some kind of sexism fetish commission?

anyway it doesn't look like they're high fiving. more like mutual yoga pose.

another wip.
got a new monitor today so I was able to tweak values a bit.
Still a lot to get done. (please ignore their skin tone,the yellowish is temporary)

also planning on adding some moonlight rays of some sort,guess it might give an interesting dynamic.I don't know
is the titty window cringy?

>>3351881
>Where? I haven't even added lines or color to them?Can you point it out?
I know that's my point. why did you block in the breast without the nipple? the nipple isn't something you add on top of a breast after the fact, it is part of the breast. the order in which you are doing things in these layers is silly.

>>3351865
she looks too clean

hard to pin point but there is almost no wrinkles, like you can usually see some of the ribs and pelvis in ppl but she is like a smooth circle.

>>3351865
>what aspect would you say is mediocre

The way your ego is attached to it.

>>3351946
first, her nipples are a darker tone,
The first layer has to be applied, to give the added color a foundation.
This is water colors so,
When it dries I go over it with a darker shade
and a slightly define circular-ish shape, since that is how she looks
When the color is added, it blends seamlessly with the whole breast.
How the hell would you apply it?
She don't have invisible nipples or the type that are indistinguishable from the rest of her skin.
Some nipples are darker than others or more defined, in that case: what the hell are you talking about?
>>3351950
I add details with a pen after the base colors are set. This is not complete. It is called a work in progress for a reason.
Obviously, the details need to be added.
She has curves and shadows. she has fairly smooth skin as well.

I don't understand what perspective you guys are looking at this from. Haven't ya'll sat down to illustrate with a pen and water colors? Do you stipple, or crosshatch?

>>3351955
Ego? Now what are you going on about?
What ego?
SO I'm ego tripping because I stated it was in the beginning stage? Because I stated I wasn't finished, because it's a work in progress?

I don't think my ego is the problem, perhaps you should search inside and figure out why you feel like my ego is the issue, perhaps your artistic ego feels threatened? I dunno.

>>3351950
Also, she's chubby so, the rib cages on her body type would look out of place...you learn this in anatomy and from life drawing. Her pelvis is also under some fat...

>>3351957
yeesh... I guess its just a difference of opinion. I think the best watercolors are done in as few layers as possible or else it starts looking a bit mechanical. It's more of a drawing medium than a painting medium. What you're doing is probably better suited to oil paints.

>>3351902
hard uncaney balley my friend

something about the brushes is wrong, my guess is that you are using references but the stylization went wrong and you have thing thing that looks like a bad photobashing,

Like over detailed but nothing feels like is in the same room.

As weird as it sounds maybe downgrading your picture could make it better, more cohesive

Fortunately you also have a cure in case you wanna get rid of your problem of translating references into a stylized drawing:

>The Drawing Club: Master the Art of Drawing Characters from Life (Cartooning & Artstyle)
vk
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>>3351963
Even with fatties you can still tell what is what senpai

>>3351964
I never used oils, I should give it a shot tho.
When I say layers, I don't mean in excessive amounts.

>nipples

This is nowhere near complete. This requires pen work after base colors (details).

What do you mean mechanical tho? I am drawing, and coloring with watercolors.

>>3351968
10/10 WOULD FUCKING DRAW

>>3351968
The actual pic.
Maybe I'm blind.

>>3351968
Did fuck up the head tho.
Probably gonna paste a piece of paper over it an do it again...or start from scratch.

>>3351977
Does this help?
Keep in mind, first time to sit and illustrate in 7 years, so, any actual constructive criticism will help.

>>3351974
woagh she is weird but yeah

the (foldding? wrinkle? gap?) in her stomach and bellybutton is more pronounced

same with the ones near the crotch and leg

also your style reminds me of NDC's work
https://www.hentaicloud.com/album/1386/?sort=dasc&page=2

>>3351974
woagh she is a lil weird but yeah

the (foldding? wrinkle? gap?) in her stomach and bellybutton is more pronounced

same with the ones near the crotch and leg

also your style reminds me of NDC's work
https://www.hentaicloud.com/album/1386/?sort=dasc&page=2

>>3351982
>first time to sit and illustrate in 7 years
why woud you do that

>>3351985
I circled where I know I messed up.
As for the details, again, I reiterate, I will define and detail with my rapidograph or crowquill.

I use colors simply as a base layer for the pen work.

I never heard of NDC.

>>3351987
Do what?

>>3351991
not draw in 7 years

>>3351987
I like that type of female physique
And this is a practice drawing, no real reason except I am rusty and need to loosen my hand up.
I can sit here and enjoy this woman's curvature as I regain my drawing hand.

>>3351985
>pic related
This is an old sketch I did in a notebook, way back when...But I applied the same concept with the color pencils more or less, I add the color base, then ink over it.

>>3351994
I focus on abstract art now almost exclusively, but I need to rebuild a technical portfolio for reasons.

>>3351974
she cute

what's your opinion on it

>>3351995

edgy

>>3352014
>Bruno Ganz AS Adolf Hitler in Downfall

Ever watched that movie? It was alright. Was bored, stuck in the mountains so decided to sketch the dvd cover.

How are my form going?

How can I get better ideas?

>>3352025
Looks like a tiny old man

>>3352026
You start exploring outside of your comfort zone. Also, leave everything and go backpacking the streets of urban decay America.

How can I get better dynamism?

>>3352027
Haha, I never tried to draw babies

>>3352029
Got it

I’m trying to understand how to draw a baby
Here you can see my struggles. Laugh

>>3352033
These aren't bad for quick sketches.

Pick one and work on it. Stick to one drawing and finish it. One of the things I have observed here is the lack of work ethic on /ic/ when it comes to traditional mediums.
Pick one of the babies and just draw the whole thing, add colors. Watercolors, or color pencil. They're just better in my opinion.

Don't leave them like this. Whip out a GOOD pen, either traditional dip pens or technical pens (rapidographs). Felt tips are no good.

These are decent sketches tho, I am curious how one of them would look completed.

>>3352037
are you the token bad advice giver that each of these threads has

>>3352033

>>3352037
I actually did that before but with a frazetta study
See pic

>>3352043
Hahaha good reply
Actually Im thinking the same

>>3352040
What bad advice?
Use dip pens or rapidographs?
Use watercolors or colored pencils?
Or that felt tips are no good?
Or is it that I suggested he pick one and see it through?
What bad advice?

Are you
>>3351955
Again? Comments sure do appear awfully similar...just sayin, I dunno.

Anyway, what bad advice, seriously?

>>3352040
As a matter of fact, how about you post YOUR work. I posted mine
>>3351988

Where's yours, crabby patty? You have a link to your work?

>>3352045
Nice, but you should finish it. Do you have any completed ink pieces?

>pic related
Is an old one of mine (an album cover for a punk band in good ol' LES)

>>3352045
Banana tits

No anon I do t have any “ink” completed pieces
Just oil, drawings graphite, digital, charcoal.


Your piece is like an album cover . I don’t like the hatching on the skull but still like it as a whole cover. Nice
We are Improving!!!!

>>3352054
Too much exaggeration there
It’s shit

>>3352052


>>3352055

>>3352055
It is an album cover.
Was for a punk band in NYC called Rabia.
http://old-fast-and-loud.blogspot.com.eg/2015/08/rabia-demo-2006-part-i.html
This is when we did work with Sophie Crumb
http://sophiecrumb.blogspot.com.eg/

Back in the days man....back in the days.

>>3352055
This is another album cover for another band (from what survived)

>>3352011
her head's too big
her hand's behind his but hers is bigger
in fact, she is also bigger but there's nothing indicating that she's closer than him
his right foot is behind him but the same size as the one in front
I don't mind the poses but I'd try to give the image some focus. What are they doing, what are they looking at.

Been studying anatomy for the past 7 months, have my studies been paying off?

>>3352096
Which books have you read and in what page are you in currently?

>>3352099
https://design.tutsplus.com/series/human-anatomy-fundamentals--cms-724
Been learning from this guide and I've finished all the excersizes.

>>3347270

made some quick updates based on feedback.

>>3352101
Do them again

>>3352106


I like it

>>3352096


Saitama really let himself go

>>3347591
same

>>3352112
What specifically do I need to work on?

>>3352125
That's a big hand

>>3352049
>huh, this guy doesn't know what shape a baby's head should be or why babies look the way they do at all
>yeah they totally need to rethink the way that they're building up the faces so they don't look like smooth skinned midgets
>ah well I'll just tell him to see a drawing through to the end, because adding ink over something will surely reproportion and fix the underlying issue!

>>3352132
they use it to masturbate all the time so it's swollen

I need to be returned to my maker to reset my function.

>>3352148
did you use a reference?

>>3352132
Literally everything, unfortunately. Your anatomy is bad and from a subjective point of view, your taste is bad as well.

Just keep drawing and don't worry about crits so much at this point because, really, no crit is going to help you until you can get to a point where we can narrow down an area in which you're struggling with more than others.

>>3348003
>>3350624
good shit anon(s)

i've been messing around with some digital brushes, pretty fun.

>>3352152
Like, 20 god damn references.

>>3348383
>>3347279
post ref

>>3352156
>where we can narrow down an area in which you're struggling with more than others.
I already know that I struggle with thinking in 3D, perspective and feet the most but what did you mean by
>your taste is bad as well

>>3352175
That looks great!, for how long have you been painting ? And how often do you practice landscapes?, are you using photoshop?

>>3352178
Ah the thinking man autistic way

I know your pain brother

>>3352148
uponthoufaircat?

>>3352178
sauce on girl on the right

>>3347908
>at least 300ppi.

I don't think you know what that means....

>>3351902
Your proportions look decent, faces look accurate, and the rendering is nice in itself where finished, just that the detail needs to be applied more thoughtfully.

This is such an odd picture, it definitely looks pasted together. I think it's because stuff is high detail when it shouldn;t be and viceversa. I guess that's partially because it isn;t done! The usual workflow is to work the details in evenly. If find that makes it easier to play around with having different levels of detail throughout the picture in a way that carries the eye around the composition and highlights what's most important. Right now, the tree is the same as the wood is the same as the hair, so I imagine the final image will be all superdetailed or something. Don't do that, it will become more rigid and boring.

Check the values by removing the saturation.. you have a lot of mid gray going on here. Use light/dark and contrast. Even if you want the picture to be mostly muddled grays, which is cool, you need some higher contrast areas... I guess you did it a bit with faces there.

Check the perspective around the eyelevel. You have a lot going on there, so it needs to be more accurate. Left girl is sorta floating in a wierd way.

The pose of the woman on the left is really stiff and doesn't give us much info about what's happening. Why have her there at all, then? Perhaps she should be touching/interacting with the guy, or at least have more of an expression. I think it;s mostly that back arm.. it;s doing nothing, just hanging there. Even the woman on the left could be more sinuous and less rigid. If the left girl and guy come together in the composition, perhaps we could push back the other girl (in distance, shadow, detail, etc) so that everything isn;t fighting for dominance in the composition.

The guy needs a body!? I suppose you know this!

Lastly, you need a touch of high saturation to help the composition, and it shouldn;t be the foliage because that isn;t important.

>>3351955
I love how this retard thinks he can detect what someone's ego is attached to by looking at a drawing. Ego as a concept is pretty vague to begin with.

I can sympathize, though. I think we've all made similar fuckups upon learning a new word.

>>3352136
Look at this crab, all the way at the bottom of the bucket, trying to claw his way up.

Still failed to upload his work.

All that green text formulated from the crab brain you have in that d/ic/k head of yours and STILL failed to provide anything of substance...like the work you never graced us with.

>>3352223
Don't mind that crab
>pic related it's the crab

>>3352223
Anon was mad because I can actually draw and anon can't

>>3352125
beautiful eyes

effed up this study :/

Thoughts?

>>3351995
>>3352052
>>3352073
great stuff

>>3352238
gave up on this study as well maybe I should take a break

>>3348152
>You'll probably want to study some colour and light for starters.
I've done some colour studies from photographs, how else could I work on my colours?
>Your perspective isn't too bad but it seems you were rushing it at some places.
yup
>First thing that came to mind when I saw the second image was Dali.
weird, he wasn't my inspiration at all hahaha
I was inspired by el greco, mostly for jesus' skin and general tension
>>3348162
>Work with bigger brushes moving to smaller
I've color blocked with shapes insetad of brushes. Is that bad? I like how solid it makes my painting look.
>Looks almost likes pixel art at this point
true
but to be fair, the original is 10000 pixels in height, so a 1:1 print would'nt look so detailed.
but since I won't print it, I was stupid for making a canvas this big
>>3348581
>It's too saturated, tone it down a bit
noted
>Also, paint using reference more often.
I did use reference but I didn't pay much attention to the colours in the ref, I'll do that next time

thanks guys

>>3352194
>>3352178
Nice reference on the right. I'm really trying to learn children bodies and flat/petite girls .

>>3352331
here's my color block, I forgot to attach the image

>>3351968
>fatty
>small tits
Worst timeline. Still might be fun to draw though.

Twenty minute work (sketch?) with reference, trying to git gud at female bodies. Critique welcomed and appreciated.

>>3352148
That's good, but I would darken the area around her, especially the areas where there is strong highlights, like the hip on her left side, she seems to be blending in the background, I don't do digital so I can't tell you exactly what to do, but that's what I would focus on. Another thing is the neck area, it kinda looks unfinished compared to the rest of her, it has a bit blockier shadows/highlights akin to broad brush strokes, which although I prefer, don't match up to the polished body (compare the jawline to the shadows on her asis)

>>3352391
where there are* strong highlights.

>>3352337
i like the lighting scheme a lot, the light below the cross almost makes it seem a hole rather than a protuberance, which gives the impression of 'holiness' lol, but it actually does.

bit worried that the figure won't be of the same quality as all the relatively easy stuff everywhere else and it will ruin the finished piece. so make sure it don't, i guess.

bit worried about the colours too when it comes to lighting the scene, there seems to be some room for dissonance, again mainly concerning the figure of christ.

Currently working on this

>>3351528
thanks for this , you are right about me putting in gazillion lines to show some texture that isnt there , all my sketches are painterly but I guess Im afraid of finishing stuff that way , I will be working on it !

>>3352318
thanks anon

>>3352400
huh?
the piece is already done, it's here
>>3348114

thoughts?

>>3352426
any thoughts?

>>3352774
Pedo

finished this

Concept art for my sci fantasy ttrpg, set in the 71st century, this one was titled "Waiting at a Utopian Crosswalk"

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