/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3349312
I hate this retarded normie bullshit, you are still using your fucking brain you dipshits, adding retarded pseudo-tips like this will just confuse a beginner.

>>3349324
Where did the crab thing come from?

Also, though I feel I might already know what will be said, any tips for >>3348436 using colored pencils? Should I go ahead and get mineral spirits to blend? Did I even manage to get close to a good skintone? (Only have the 32 set so I did my best.) Also, does anyone familiar with colored pencil work have a recommendation for paper that actually can take a decent amount of layering?

Why is this so hard?

>>3349312
Why is this retarded guide still posted around? Flipping the canvas upside down? The fuck?

>>3349379
Poor anon. Having a hard time with the sticky? It's ok everybody sucks at the beginning. Hold my hand anon everything is going to be alright.

>>3349412
Damn I wish I had someone whispering sweet nothings into my ear. You should have told >>3349379 to eat shit and give up.

>>3349418
Shh shh, it's ok bby, we're all gonna make it.

>>3349330
>>3349379
both of u missed the point of the whole image lmao

>>3349430
i juist now realized i got baited. im the retard actually ignore me

Where do I get a version of Sai more recent than 1.1.0? Since those are the only downloads that I see

>>3349444
I had limited success with downloading a later but limited version from the sai website and replacing the executable with a cracked executable, but I would recommend just using Krita instead. Sai 1.x kind of sucks, doesn't even have support for locking to an axis.

Working on Values and lighting, any thoughts or tips? Anything would be much appreciated

my bf made this.
rate him please

>>3349492

Work on your environment there a bit more, really try to get some basic depth established. More contrast with your darks in the foreground, with things lightening up and going less contrast in the back, once you get stuff in there.

I see you've got these rocky shapes in but the one on the left isn't really pushing itself forward, it's kinda flattened out. I think the darker values on the dino are making it pop out more than the rock, but the shape is in front of the foot, and the whole thing is just sort of melding into the grey you've got for the ground. You don't want both the rocks having the same amount of contrast if one is in front of the dinosaur and the other is behind. You'll wanna get some variety in the ground too and put something in the back there.

You might want to do a bit more for his shadow, maybe just scuffle a bit of tone in there under him, the one strip from the foot isn't doing it. Smooth out his tail some, it's still kind of stringy looking, try to keep the form reading with less strokes.

Your dinosaur is looking pretty good though so far. Can't say for sure if you messed up the anatomy, I dunno. His left forearm is a bit chunky, but maybe it's fine.

The tops of the rocks being level is bothering me a bit, maybe lower the back one some or raise the front one.

>>3349364

Good lord. Use layers, paint in your background without making a total mess of it. Draw a proper circle on another layer and mask in your sphere and then clip a layer to paint your values. Do your core shadow and just gradually lighten away from it. Just use a soft brush and a soft eraser.

Go to ctrlpaint website and learn how layers work, and painting in general

It's difficult because you don't know how your medium works, you don't know how to render, you can't control your edges, and you're probably rushing way too much considering you bothered posting something that messy.

>>3349538
So much info and so many thanks, I will definitely try to incorporate this, thanks again!

>>3349355

Yeah it looks good. Stuff like strathmore bristol and mayfair seems to work well. Generally the heavy, rough, expensive stuff.

I've seen people use mineral spirits to blend, but I've never gotten a good result. From my experience just using a bit with a q-tip as was suggested, it just made the back of my paper translucent, and gave me a headache, no blending. I've heard you can use like a copic blending marker, so you could give that a shot. You could also just stick to grinding in your top layer with a colourless blender pencil.

I'm trying to finish things beyond a quick sketch.

>>3349549
oops

wanna git gut at construction and perceptive.

should i read Perspective Made Easy or do Draw a Box.

>>3349592
Why not both?

Hi /ic/ 3 quick questions

1- when using layers in Photoshop for painting, where's that blending mode?

2- How do i flip my canvas quickly to view mistakes?

3- which color picker should i be using, i use HSV, am i doing wrong?

>>3349592
>perspective made easy

fuck that book

>>3349595
Cuz maybe they teach me the same stuff.

>>3349599
whats wrong with PME?

>>3349607
scott robertson - how to draw is better just dont forget the videos of the book and you will be full

>>3349622

Scotty is a bit hard to get into IMO, PME is better as an introduction

>>3349625
there's a fair chance that that's incorrect, seeing as it's an exercise i won't expect that to be a pin light, and if it's not then the terminator is wrong, cast shadow too, cast shadow regardless, in fact

ignore any chickenscratch and just tell me about proportions. It's not detailed but I've made a lot of more detailed drawings with similar anatomy and care about that more than anything.

My endgame isn't realism but for all intents and purposes I want to get better at it.

Tfw no drawing tablet

does this qualify as artwork?

>>3349633
Do you really need someone else to point out how awful it is?
>forearms different widths
>her left forearm sticking out is way too short
>her right bicep goes all the way to her fucking belly button
>fingers all the same length and width
>giraffe neck
>nose is sideways and is too far to the right for this perspective
That's enough for now

>>3349640

It qualifies as something a fifth grader does on their math homework.

>>3349647
meanboy :3

>>3349637
Why? Is a tablet gonna make your anatomy any better?

>>3349642
>her right bicep goes all the way to her fucking belly button
I need rules for this.

I'm using Figure Drawing for All It's Worth but the only things I'm managing to get out of it are straight vertical proportions and it isn't very helpful for 3/4s at all.

>>3349666
>I need rules for this.
Try looking down.

>>3349666
That means anon skipped basic construction and forms. Go back to the basics.

>>3349678
Fuck, I mean like rules for 3/4 and how to do breasts when dealing with outlines.

>>3349637
I hear ya but thats actually a funny story because I used to want to use a wacom as soon as I could, mind you with zero fundamental knowledge. Now 3 years later and I cant get away from traditional, my intous just sits in my desk. Have patience anon, just wait and soon enough it'll pay off.

Whats a good video/book for a rundown on gesture drawing?

Im going to try and do nothing but gesture during my lunch break's and then finish up loomis at home

How am i doing?
Anything i should focus more on?
Should i do something else, something more simple?

Im having difficulties doing these studies, its harder than i fought, but im not quitting, gonna use more time on this, just wanna hear what you people think.

>>3349312
I think this infographic is terrible advice. You should learn to draw basic primitive forms in 3D first and foremost

>>3349786
IMO gesture can’t be taught. It must be felt

im still working on the hair. but so far, how is this looking? i feel like the skin should have more colors

>>3349922
also is this drawn right? the mouth area looks wrong in both drawing and proportions but when i try to fix it it just looks worse

>>3349927
overlay a grid over the reference photo and draw the contents of the squares one by one.

>>3349935
first photo on this link
https://www.buzzfeed.com/aj8/44-photos-of-taylor-swifts-surprised-face-cfe3?utm_term=.cwRb0L6wRG#.be869vKDkE
(sry for fucking buzzfeed) is the closest i could find but it doesnt save. its pretty obvious that the mouth is too small but i lowering the jaw and transforming didnt seem to work. i guess i will just play around with it more

I've always wanted to get into digital art. How is this piece going? Any feedback at all would be so appreciated.

>>3349826
Update on my study..

is it okay to trace as long as im using it to study gesture from exotic poses?

>>3349810
When you completely ignore the point of the exercise and symbol draw anyway,

>>3349592
went with PME.
currently at chapter 6. Skipped the first 4 3 exercises since they were way to ez.

lines are kinda messy because i'm trying to draw from the shoulder.

>>3350115
skipped the first 3 exercises *

I've finished "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and been doing the exercises.
What should I read next? The sticky recommends pic related. Any thoughts on it?

>>3350120
They're basically the same book

>>3350120
If you're cured of symbol drawing, do this

>>3350115
>skipped the first 3 exercise since they were way too easy
>proceeds to fuck up the remaining exercises
good job being a fuck up

>>3350140
How were they fucked up? I did everthing it said to do.

>>3349312
Why is drawabox.com controversial?

>>3350169
retards think that doing drawabox means you have to draw nothing but boxes for 2 years and then you get imbued with the power to draw everything else instantly, so theyre mad they missed the point and are now really good at drawing boxes but cant draw anything else, also drawabox is regurgitating another person's class so you would probably much rather go to the primary source for the same information

So what the fuck should I do when vanishing points are outside of a picture plane? Eyeball?

>>3349640
i kinda like it :). Maybe refine the red part, less squiggles more cohesion.

When do I get to draw BIG ASS?

This pseudoscientific shit is too much 5 me

>>3350220
Then read Keys To Drawing instead

>>3350122
Guess i'll just read it anyway. Might catch some new exercises.
>>3350126
I haven't reached that level of dedication yet. Will keep in mind for the future tho.

>>3350220
It's unironically the best part of the book.

>>3349826
>>3350043
Looks pretty good.

>>3350043
get out of beg dummy

I feel like every step is only taking me back. I have severely underestimated the complexity of what I imagined when first starting this piece.
After redrawing it to have more tongues, I had chosen to redo the flame from scratch, as I thought it wasn't coming out stylized enough. Also, I know braziers don't make that much smoke and the fire is too red, so please omit these points from criticism, it is supposed to be stylized after all.

>>3349364
If ur using sai, clipping group is your friend.

>>3350248
They all communicate a different idea.

When you look at this do you think "mistakes"?

>>3350291
No, I think it looks awesome but the background makes it a bit hard to see and it's not finished.

>>3349927
read keys and bargue, learn to copy from reference. then try these again. also post your refs

>>3350258
I'm using Clip studio paint.

Which type of pencil is good for a beginner training? (2B etc)

Thoughts and advices pls

>>3350325
Not too hard, not too soft, Anywhere from 2B to 4B should be alright.

I would appreciate some crit/advice on my bargue plates. I got into drawing a few months ago and I feel like i'm improving in terms of accurately copying what lines I see, but I still find blending and placing correct values to be challenging and would appreciate any advice. (I know some lines were rushed, especially the ears) I don't know any easy way to post all the references, but they're drawn in order from bargues drawing course.

>>3350330
this might ruin the likeness if you're using a reference, but I tried to fix some of the alignment/proportion problems you had. the biggest things I noticed were the oversized eyes, forehead, chin, and misaligned mouth.

>>3350031
The female head at the top, at that angle the features will be much more squashed together. As the chin moves upward the lips, nose, and eyes will appear closer together. Her eyes also look too wide.

>>3350325
>>3350338

I'd say get at least a 2H too so you can lightly sketch stuff in without too much fear of wrecking your paper.

>>3350220
I don't know if that right brain shit is scientifically accurate or not (I doubt it) but the experience itself is correct, this book really opened my mind to the state of mind you should be in when drawing. The book calls this "R-mode" or whatever but basically I can feel myself shift into a much more patient, observant mindset and I draw much better. Usually when I'm drawing like shit and getting frustrated it's because I'm impatient and trying to force it out. Even if the science in this book is shit I think it's valuable because it will help you "get" what state of mind you need to be in.

I really messed up her head and neck didn't I? I was trying to focus drawing using basic shapes as Bert Dodson suggests.

>>3350447
>I was trying to focus drawing using basic shapes
keep an eye open for continuous lines like these, you kinda lost them in your sketch

>>3350447
Yeah, look for lines which make up shapes. It should be more diagonal while her arm should be more horizontal.

>>3350457
>>3350474

Ah, thank you.

>get into drawing
>get really into it and do like 10 hours a day for a week
>get burnt out and stop
>try again a year later
how do i stop this from happening

>>3349846
Yes but knowing how to measure accurately is a good skill to train (for your whole life afterwards) at the same time.

>>3349846

Disagree. Drawing form is too advanced for beginners, they should focus purely on shape.

>>3350491
what are you drawing anon? it's something you really like to draw?

>>3350491
>10 hours a day

What do you do for money?

What do you guys think of my doodle?

My brother gave me an art book by andras szunyoghy, is he a good teacher?

>>3350555
just cubes and stuff
im just a beginner

>>3350560
neet

>>3350586
get into something you really enjoy to draw, could be your waifu, portraits, animals, porn, etc.
and the most important thing is don't draw something you don't like for the people aprovation.
obviously you can draw both, exercises and things you enjoy

>>3350603
how do i draw a waifu if i can't draw a cube correctly?

>>3350606
You cann't do it by drawing only cubes

>>3350618
So just...try?

drew wuby

>>3350606
Unless you want your waifu to be a cube, you should just branch out and draw other shit.

>>3350622
Yes, how can you improve or even learn anything in the first place by doing something you already know how to do? You won't make any progress without pushing yourself beyond your skill level.

>>3350586
In "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain", there's a chapter where she talks about her classes. At the beginning, she'd get everyone to draw themselves. Later on, after spending a lot of time going through all the basics and fundamentals, she'd get them to draw themselves again. I think this is an extremely helpful thing, especially for people like you and I who are learning on their own, since a lot of people want to draw for various reasons but don't define their goals properly. This allows you to have a clear thing to work towards, whether it's drawing people or drawing mechanical objects or drawing nature.

You don't have to draw yourself, you could easily take a photo of a building or a car or something you like from real life and attempt to draw it. Then, after practicing on your lines, forms, shapes for a week or so, come back and try to draw that same photo. It'll help you see how your grinding has paid off and where you can go next.

This is spoken from the perspective of someone who's a beginner who's spending his NEET schedule between drawing and jacking off, so feel free to completely ignore my recommendation, but books like "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and "Keys to Drawing" both recommend something similar so you can have a way of defining goals and achieving them.

havnt drawn in a month. its like starting from 0 again

>>3350686

>>3349430
I didn't object to the rest of the image

>>3350625
adorable

I draw a wall fan at work. How do I make drawings look less bad?

>>3350717
just draw more

Starting from scratch again. Going to just follow Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching course to the tee and work through Keys to Drawing.

I'm tired of giving up.

>>3350767
Since they teach different things I would just take Peter's warmup exercises from week 1 and use those along with the week where you do the shape addition/subtraction (forgot what week that was). Once you finish Keys to Drawing then continue on with Dynamic Sketching.

>>3350717
read perspective made easy

>>3350562
Cool control of lines

get a scanner though

could anyone tell me a range of colors i should get when starting off with copics?

I'd like to start with grays so i could learn value and learn to color better but not sure which ones i should get; i'll be taking advantage of the 50% off coupons at michaels for them so i'll have to buy them one at a time.

would really appreciate a fast response so i can beat the fatties ( they seem to buy up all the copics....)

>>3350817
If you get the brown toned sketchbooks, warm grays go well with it. It's recommended you get every second one (W1, W3, W5 etc. or W2, W4 etc.) because there's not much difference if you go up or down one.

>>3350120
Why did you skip "Fun with a Pencil"z/
Skipping basic construction is gonna be bad for you anon. Drawing an accurate eye doesn't mean jack shit if you don't know where to place it.

>>3350115
>Skipped the first 3 exercises
Nice anon it really shows how much you care about learning and improving. I hope you get that fast skill and attention you're seeking.

>>3350119
>>3350140
>>3350842
For anyone curious, these are the first three exercises. I'm not sure they're necessary if you can visualize it.

>>3350849
you obviously fucking can't because all your other attempts at doing the lessons are fucked as hell
but hey you're the super genius that doesn't need these books to begin with so fuck everyone else right
dipshit

What's a good low level book for building confidence and technique?

I've been really stagnating with anatomy. I'm thinking I should read through Loomis in its entirety again.

Are there any exercises I can do on top of that?

>>3350860
Figure Drawing for All Its Worth by Andrew Loomis.

>>3350849
Still not an excuse to skip it. Even if you can do it already just do it anyway. Skipping an exercise even if you know how to do it already shows how much you care about learning. It's like going to your english teacher and saying I don't need to do this test it's too easy. lol

>>3350855
>>3350871
I'm not the original anon, just defending him because the exercises aren't necessary if you have a basic understanding of perspective. By posting those three exercises I wasn't defending his work, just that they wouldn't have helped the areas he failed at. He needs straighter and cleaner lines but I doubt making a line on a blackboard and moving around really helps that.

It's a fucking intro book and he's getting the basics of the concepts as they come up. Let him tackle his larger problems when he gets to Robertson or Olsen.

>>3350861
just draw

>>3350875
>He needs straighter lines
>Practice drawing lines isn't going to help
lol

>>3350861
Loomis helps with construction and proportions. take what you learn from Loomis and apply it to life studies. Try to break down the anatomy into simple shapes. How good you are at it is up to how much you practice and grind.

>>3350880
>Drawing one line on a blackboard which he probably doesn't have readily available is so important that he should just put everything else on pause because this is just that vital and will damage him the rest of his life
>Him using a ruler won't fix all of his problems and that shouldn't be recommended over buying a blackboard or whiteboard for one time use
No wonder some of you fucks stay in /beg/, you have no idea what you're doing.

>>3350888
lol you actually thought you have to buy a blackboard? Paper pencil and tape is all you need.

>>3350849
>>3350875
>>3350888
I went to sleep and only just saw those post.
ur right about the straight lines for sure, I'm trying to learn to draw from the shoulder but cant control my lines that well yet.

also ur a saint dawg.

also also why does everyone get so mad, if you've ever read the book you'd understand that it starts at a very basic lvl, stuff you learn in highschool, ect.

>>3350862
Already have it. I bought it thinking it would help but it was far too advanced.

>>3350832
Fun with a Pencil is recommended after both of those

>>3350888
How fucking hard is it to put a line on a wall, it doesn't even have to be permanent. Improving is more about training your mind to understand visual concepts and actually doing them will help to hammer them home.

>>3350928
Honestly I just think you guys don't know what exercises he was skipping and are trying to save face now that you see how stupid they are. None of your criticism was even valid for his stuff since previous exercises didn't cover it.

>>3350913
It's fine to work on your lines, but when doing perspective you want it to be straight so that it also helps develop your eye. It's probably okay if you want to freehand, but once you move on to Olsen and Robertson stuff you'll want to be a lot more precise and a ruler becomes more necessary. Of course once you have the concepts down you can freehand, but building an eye for it by using a ruler is essential.

If you study Loomis, one day you too can be as good as Proko

>>3350928
>shitting on noobs for making noob mistakes and bad judgments

Holy shit they're BEGINNERS. They make obvious mistakes because those things are not obvious to them. Because they're NOOBS. Drawing is fucking hard. It's not just a skill, it's an excersize on how you perceive the world. Starting as a grown person is harder than it is for a child. Starting as a child you get to grind happily and ignorant of how bad you are for 10 years on shitty stick figures and anime until by the time you actually WANT to learn and improve you're already pretty good. Starting as a grown person you get to really see how weird and unnatural drawing actually is. You almost have to unlearn how you see.

>>3350871
>it's too easy lol
There are probably many situations I would refuse to take an English test, given that I'm a native English speaker. Would you sit there and identifies pictures of objects? Or write out the alphabet sixty times?

>>3350965
i had to take some kind of fluency test once for something, you have to write little essays. i got 99.8%

>>3350952
I really dig this Boku no Proko character.

>>3350126
Consumerist cuckold

I'm not good at drawing without a reference. That being said is there anything I can draw without reference that will still be helpful towards improving?

>>3350984
Memory.

Newfag here what does 'crab' mean? I've been browsing threads for a little bit but all I can gather is it's just an /ic/ related shitposter.

>>3350994
it's a metaphor, if you have a bunch of crabs in a bucket none escape because in trying to climb out they inevitably pull each other down.

on /ic/ it's referring to people i guess intentionally pulling people down in hopes for a clear run or some retarded shit like that

Please critique! I just started using Procreate on the iPad and am having a lot of trouble blending. For the boots, I completely forgot to use a soft brush for blending but I actually prefer the way they came out compared to the rendering on the t-shirt.
Also I took a lot of time with the proportions of it all and still somehow got the front boot looking strange.
Questions:
How do artists use soft brush for blending while still achieving a professional looking result? More often than not I felt the rendering on the t shirts came out muddy and amateurish.
What is the best way to blend? I used the eye dropper tool and haphazardly drew back and forth with lowered opacity until it looked OK. This was difficult as the pen pressure controls the opacity on the brushes.
What should the background and foreground be for this? I drew this on a shitty ikea bedside table.
Final Question: what is the process for drawing fabric? I blocked in approximate locations of shadows but they ALL ended up being wrong. At the end I just kind of winged it. Is it actually possible to draw fabric 1:1 without making approximations?

>i can't draw anything but cubes and spheres and even then i cant draw those well
>then draw your waifu
>how?
>do it
thanks /beg/

>>3351001
did u only used the soft brush for blending?

>>3350344
I don't have any advice, but that's pretty decent for someone who's been going a few months, assuming your experience with was little beforehand. What methods have you been following?

>>3351005
lol are you retarded
like imagine having a child like a 5 year old and you say "draw a dog" and they're like duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that's you

>>3350760
Pretty good stuff. Work on proportions.

>>3351010
I used the soft brush on the fabric but not on the boots

>>3351005
>i cant draw those well
then practice you doofus

>>3351017
I'm having some trouble blending in procreate.
>eye dropper tool
Is that a brush, if so where.
ur boots turned out pretty decent IMO.

Also always better to choose a background before painting since changing it will effect ur colors.

>>3351005
draw cubes, spheres, AND your waifu you idiot

>>3351030
how does one do that when they don't have the ability to draw anything more complex than rudimentary shapes/forms?

>>3351033
what do you think every object is made up of?

>>3351033
literally

fucking

practice

god you're like a retarded little baby that expects to go from shit to not-shit in seconds. if you care about art at all and you want to pursue it, then you should know it takes time. if that's not for you then fuck off.

>>3351036
if its so easy, then why dont you draw your waifu using nothing more than cubes and spheres

>>3351042
every single artist that prefers to use construction already does that, dummy

>>3351042
It's probably a good thing you're so sceptical of what people are say here, but this time what they're saying is true. Simplifying the complex human form into manageable, simple shapes helps you draw in a convincing and realistic 3D way.

>>3351005
don't listen to these fags. If you want to draw something then copy things like it. Learn technique and construction and all that. But drawing is about mileage. You have to put time into learning. But remember, if it's hard you're doing it right. If you fail or fuck up you're on the right track. It's hard and takes time but learning to draw is learning to copy and reproduce. I wish I could give you THE SECRET but there isn't one. Just don't stop.

>>3351027
Eyedropper comes up when you either hold a finger down on a color OR hit the square in between the opacity and brush size sliders on the tool bar

>>3351005
Just draw.

Can anyone here please tell me anything about painting? It seems like something impossible for me to grasp.

>>3351053
oh, I see.

thx anon.

>>3351005
Draw some shit from reference maybe

Farking hell lads it’s been two years and after all my attempts it turns out I was lacking perspective. No wonder I had so much trouble drawing simple objects. Wish I gave this book a shot sooner.

Im trying to learn since february or so. Thoughts? Please destroy me as you wish, I always learn a bit that way.

This one used no model at all, although I did use construction. I feel the face is plain/off. But I dont know if honestly im putting too much effort in the faces the last week and havent done much to improve my bodies.

>>3351058
/beg/ tier myself so take my advice with a grain of salt- I think you are on the right track. Issues -proportions are looking good short of some of the angles of the arms and hip (our left)
good starting with the hard brushes, but your shadows are the wrong hue/value . e.g. the crotch has a slightly orange reddish hue in the ref whereas all your shadows are just a muddy gray. also her breasts are not the same "skin" color. fix these up and start with a soft brush. also the darkest shadows are not right but Im assuming you will add those in as this is a WIP. Keep on going and just pay more attention to the reference. Make sure you are using perceived values as opposed to your mind's local values for the skin.

>>3351087
it's flat
it's scratchy
it's shit
read the sticky

>>3351078
Yeah, perspective is important. What book? Perspective made easy was what taught me.

Honestly I'd recommend perspective to beginners far before Loomis. Drawing in perspective also feels really cool too, which is refreshing since as a beginner they'd probably feel like a lot of their drawings are shite.

>>3351098
Fuck. But I did. Damn me.

>>3351090
>Make sure you are using perceived values as opposed to your mind's local values for the skin.

Could you elaborate more on this please?
Thanks for the help.

>>3350260
I guess that's part of the problem, I don't really plan ahead, I only have some core ideas when I start drawing, most of it just comes to me as I draw.

>>3351102
Exactly, I could draw things but they always felt off. I always skipped this book thinking I wouldn’t need it. Pic related I can see how off the hammer is now.

>>3351087
Go to the Artbook thread download the beginner books start with Fun with a Pencil. Practice drawing basic lines and shapes Circles, Squares, Triangles. After that move on to 3D shapes Spheres, Cubes, Cones, Cylinders. DRAW MORE THAN 1 PAGE. Fill the whole paper back and front leave as little white space as possible. Post your work here to let people see if you are good enough to move on.

>>3351013
I've been reading a bit of loomis and bridgman. Other than that i've been taking paintings i like and trying to emulate them, as well as copying figure poses from reference. I'm really enjoying this bargue course. My method for these studies has been to simplify forms and then fill in the curves. I wish I started simplifying forms much earlier as it makes marking proportions hell of a lot easier. Pic related is an example of what i'm talking about. Filling in values has been blocking in basic shapes > blending with mixer brush. I still don't have a real method when it comes to choosing values, so I've been fucking around/trial and error. If anyone has any book recommendations or tutorials on values or blending it would be much appreciated.

>>3351098

sigh...

>>3351115
a google search will help with this but TLDR is that local values are like grass being green, water being blue,a tshirt being white. Percieved is what happens after it interacts with ambient light or has other light sources reflected on it e.g. a white t shirt becomes pink at certain points from a red balloon reflecting light or whatever. definitely read some articles on it on google as I am not the best at explaining

>>3351165
>I've been reading a bit of loomis and bridgman. Other than that i've been taking paintings i like and trying to emulate them, as well as copying figure poses from reference. I'm really enjoying this bargue course. My method for these studies has been to simplify forms and then fill in the curves. I wish I started simplifying forms much earlier as it makes marking proportions hell of a lot easier. Pic related is an example of what i'm talking about. Filling in values has been blocking in basic shapes > blending with mixer brush. I still don't have a real method when it comes to choosing values, so I've been fucking around/trial and error. If anyone has any book recommendations or tutorials on values or blending it would be much appreciated.

Don't have any advice, but I started the Bargue course a few days ago also, and I definitely agree. I'm getting more out of it than pretty much everything else I've tried so far.

Took a break from drawing last week, so getting back to the grind now. Five 30 second gestures followed by 2 minute ones.

>>3351126
Ok I will, after I get over this shit feeling of having learned nothing at all. Maybe I did that too quickly. I mean, I did the cubes thing from Draw A Box, I dont recall Fun With A Pencil having that kind of practice.

Will probably post the results at night, thank you.

>>3351126
not that anon, but something like this?

>>3351407
No, nigga. THREE DEE.

>>3351417
he said start with squares and shit

>>3351420
THREE DEE squares.

>>3351420
okay, now 3d.

>>3351407
If you only make sloppy shapes your art will turn out sloppy. Put more effort into making your lines straighter and everything cleaner.

>>3351420
like this right here but it's a shitty example

>>3351427
i'm already making another page with neater shapes

>>3351428
I know what 3d is mongoloid

What are the best resources for understanding cloth/clothing?

>>3351495
Probably a store.

>>3349311
How good do you have to be to get out of /beg/?

>>3351495
draw from life

>>3351503
understand fundies and have good lines
thats literally it, nothing more to it

>>3351503
It's not about how good, it's about your patience. If you stick around long enough, you'll notice it's not even the same people who stay.

help

its bmo from adventure time

am i allowed to use a ruler to make straight lines?

>>3351516
well drawn but why though

>>3351524
why wouldnt you

>>3351533
because i am a retard and thought that you should only use freehand to draw

>>3351495
Repostan:

>DRAWING PEOPLE: How to Portray the Clothed Figure by Barbara Bradley
vk
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>Drawing Drapery from Head to Toe (Dover Art Instruction) by Cliff Young
http://www.rosemaryr.com/WIP/1487232777837.pdf

>Dynamic Wrinkles and Drapery: Solutions for Drawing the Clothed Figure by Burne Hogarth
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=692B7946DCCBB28799DBB86878F726D0

>The artist's guide to drawing the clothed figure : a complete resource on rendering clothing and drapery by Michael Massen
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=ECE316BAA8D47F2AED75F83B184243C0

Also, this book:
vk
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>>3351535

>>3351538
oh look, actual resources that are relevant to the question instead of
>go buy the clothes
Thank you anon.

Here's some real advice fags:

Don't do tutorials. Make compositions. Think of a drawing or painting you want to make and do it. Don't just start throwing shit on a canvas. Plan it out and sketch each element individually. Like, if your painting has an apple in it, go look at an apple and start sketching it on sketch pad.

>>3351541

You don't even need to buy it. You have fucking cloth near you. Hell, you're wearing one.

What's the best way to do a "study" of something to actually improve?

I've been reading head and hands and I want to learn the planes of the face so i've been looking a lot at the asaro head

When I draw it, should I construct it or just draw it as I see it? I constructed pic related but I noticed I started leaning on the reference more than the construction itself, any tips?

Also I don't know how to render or anything I just wanted to see what it would look like with some dark areas and a pen outline so please excuse that

>>3351524
No. Using things like rulers and compasses or French curves is cheating. Straight lines and perfect circles don’t exist in real life. Using a ruler is pretty much tracing something that doesn’t exist.

>>3351524

Yes. But, using ruler is a hassle if you need it everytime you want to do straight lines. That's why people practice doing it without rulers.

>>3351549
I didn't ask for clothing to study from, I asked for resources to understand why. you just don't get that. I can draw clothing from reference but without one I can't. Read the question then reply, like >>3351538 did.

>>3351553
>Straight lines and perfect circles don’t exist in real life.
Fuck are you on about yes they do

>>3351556
Hey retard, you learn to draw things by drawing from reference until you've internalized how to draw them without reference.

>>3351567
building a visual library is needed, yes, but if you don't understand how it works then you end up with shitty composition in how everything comes together if you are drawing from imagination. But I assume you are in a /beg/ thread giving irrelevant advice because you don't actually know what you are talking about, so ill give you a pass for this one.

>>3351524
only if you are learning perspective so your shit is straight and you don't stress yourself out because you haven't done straight line exercises

>>3351569
hahaha is this nigga for real

>>3351572
Well, I am learning perspective right now, so that's a relief.
What are straight line exercises tho?
Do you just draw straight lines over and over, is it that simple?

>>3351553
>>3351575
ITT: Bad advice from people who don't know what they are talking about.

>>3351577
post your art nigger

How the fuck am I supposed to get good when I have a full time job in construction and I’m too exhausted to do anything when I get home?

>>3351584
Assuming you're plastered with hours and have to be on site at 5am leaving no time before work to draw, look at your weekly schedule and really analyze the things you might be able to cut out to make time

It's tough but even if you can make just half an hour to draw in a time where you're not completely exhausted will help

I work and go to school so I can understand where you're coming from as far as exhaustion is concerned, it's not fun drawing tired

>>3351584
Full time, so 40 hours?

>>3351584
Quit. Drawing should be your number one priority anyway

Where can I find a detailed look at learning mechanical skills? Everything I find is "just draw lol".

How the fuck am I supposed to get good when I'm crushed by the weight of life and want to kms instead?

>>3351593
>crushed by the weight of life

You don’t even know what real stress is, kid

Should I listen to jazza?

>>3351596
Like with everything, just pick up wathever you think will help you and makes sense to you.

>>3351592
drawabox is all about the pure mechanics of drawing. It's the most boring art lesson on the net, but it will teach you how to make straight lines, etc.

>>3351603
There really isn't anything better? Drawabox is basically just "draw from the shoulder lol".

>>3351016

Thanks man... Definitely need to work on that.

Trying a new process... I need something to stop my hand from shaking so much.

>>3351603
>>3351592
Robertson goes actually into the mechanics of everything and sets you up for success. I would take Drawabox with a couple grains of salt because he basically took dynamic sketching classes and then resold them for a profit while changing stuff based on his understanding of the subject matter. There's a reason why Drawabox has you grind boxes while Dynamic Sketching classes pass through that quickly and get to the real stuff.

How's my Loomis?

Complete newfag here, I wanted to learn basic calligraphy (my handwriting is mediocre at best), is this the right place? Can you give me some newfag "intro to calligraphy" guides?

>>3351615
I'm only st the start but I teied to give it a body. I'm not at body construction yet in the book

>>3351612
>has you grind boxes
>it's only the first two lessons
>dynamic sketching has you doing bullshit until dynamic sketching 2 where you actually do the real stuff
Someone here hasn't done DS.

>>3351576
its even easier to read the sticky

>>3351621
>>>/gd/

>>3351648
Thanks, I actually did not know where to go

Is the Betty Edwards book still the best for a beginner?

Retard with Parkinson's here. Trying to figure out how to do line art. I'm using a non-graphics tablet. Should I be slowly tracing the lines, meticulously like a tattoo artist, or just kinda guesstimate the angle first and slap it down on the tablet, then ctrl+Z and repeat until it hits? Or is there some other technique I'm completely missing? Because both give me poor results right now, and I don't know which I should be practicing that's not gonna be a dead end.

>>3351698
what is a non-graphics tablet

So I'm currently doing both the Promo figure drawing course AND Peter Han's Dynamic sketching; about equal time dedicated to each everyday. Should I just concentrate on one at a time though?

>>3350115
>>3349592
currently on page 92 of PME. everything is still pretty fun and interesting.
Wonder how long until the boring complex stuff comes to the table.

>>3351688
I'd recommend Keys to Drawing over it. It teaches the same stuff but without pages worth of pseudo science blah blah.

Does anybody have a pdf Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton?

>>3351720
Yes but you didn't ask nicely for it

>>3351704
It's obviously a graphics tablet without graphics? Like a Wacom Intuos. Not sure it matters to my question anyway but I figured I would include it.

>>3351720
question in artbook thread

doodle time for me on Krita, am i doing it right?
it seems ok imo, but perhaps i missed some stuff, i need your eyes bois

>>3351748
what do you define as "graphics?" i'm genuinely confused. a pad using a pen to replace your mouse as a cursor is a tablet

>>3351640
lol I took the actual class. Drawabox has things like the 250 box challenge and 250 cylinder challenge that from what I've seen always gets recommended for people when he reviews their stuff. I don't know what Dynamic Sketching class you took but week 5 we did deconstructed views of objects, 6 was plants, and 7 was a design while 8 was polishing our previous stuff. Also,
>two lessons is the same as two weeks
Some people are on that stuff for months. Sure they may be dumb, but there's a big difference between using a free resource where the blind lead the blind (much like /ic/) and having a good teacher motivating and pushing you to improve.

>>3351698
>>3351704
well i'd say that any tablet destined to use for drawing is a graphic tablet, idk

>>3350817
Is that Kojima's daughter?

>>3351761
that's quite appealing
good job anon!

>>3351720
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=23F8AB868BAC7B9F58DCDFE48ABF2414

>>3351428
don't draw guide lines. They'll fuck you up. You shouldn't know the correct angles. You should feel them. Also, sloppy work is ok, if done at hi res and scaled down.

>>3351761
>>3351775
thanks boi
i tried to draw the same guy but with different pose/clothes, it's a pretty hard task for me

>>3349826
>>3350043
what are you focusing on? your drawing is wrong.

>>3351714
>Wonder how long until the boring complex stuff comes to the table.
It doesn't. That's where How To Draw and eventually How To Render comes in. Not sure why you're grinding beginner's perspective for so long.

Original work
Testing knowledge

>>3351839
What separate beginner's perspective and more advanced perspective?

>>3351848
How long it takes to draw a cube

Will Goblin Slayer forgive this guy?

Aaaaw
Cute right?
I found a pic and I decide to make this sketch. Before the Goblin

>>3351698
>Should I be slowly tracing the lines, meticulously like a tattoo artist
That confidence comes with time but I think it more applies to traditional because of the friction with the medium and drawing utensil.
>just kinda guesstimate the angle first and slap it down on the tablet
This is the skill you'll be training from drawing, whether it be traditional or digital. You'll rotate the canvas to your most natural axis of rotation. You'll still c-z or redo it multiple times but that's what you're working toward. Get a bunch of paper and use some ink, whether it be from a brush, ballpoint, brush pen, marker, whatever. Get confidence in your lines so that you know exactly what you're going to do before you draw something and your body will follow.

You don't need a tablet with a screen to draw fine. As long as it's at least a medium you'll have no issues if you practice. Draw points on a canvas and connect them, draw a single point on a canvas and draw lines from other places on that canvas into the center. Place three dots on the canvas and draw a curve that goes tangent through the points. There are a ton of drills you can practice for your hand-eye coordination.

>>3351781
holy shit thank you ive been debating about buying this book for the longest fucking time

>Full time job
>Very busy and hectic
>Always too tired or zoned out to draw when I get home
Any advice on how to push myself more?

I tried this again. It's better than last time, but still not good.

Oh well.

>>3351861
Try the quick lessons, the ones that take the least amount of time to make

aka focus on doing gesture related books and there are a few about how to quickly sketch life drawing

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=ACB9B6D54783ABEC7E04E7850728BC3C

>>3351866
whats wrong with her neck

>>3351868
It was drawn by me.

Also it's supposed to be a sweater.

>>3351872
Your drawing has no texture or wrinkles, how people are supposed to tell

>>3351874

I can barely draw shit that resembles people. I'm not sure how to approach texture.

not really sure what im doing
i just wanna draw psychedelic shit

drawn with a pen i found on the floor and put through a paint.net filter

do you guys have any suggestions for a good pen normally used in these drawings?

>>3351877
My bad then.

I thought you were good and did a bad drawing.

If that's a compliment that's up to you,

And to do textures, you basically do several symmetrical strokes to give it a fabric feeling.

here is a book about strokes:

>Expressive Sketching (Colored CG Tutorial Series), Character Texture presentation
vk
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Is in chinnese but it should be easy to read with the amunt of drawings and examples.

Here are some books on how to do foldings and wrinkles: >>3351538

I'll recommend you to do them after you are done learning figure drawing to a point you consider yourself competent

>>3351887
Some good fabric examples

>>3351889

>>3351890

>>3351892

>>3344122

where can I get figures with perspective like this? I googled and couldn't find any.

>>3351894
Done for now

[spoiler] I know these aren't pants but it would work very well with clothing so i'm including them

>>3351887
Every drawing is a bad drawing.

>>3351887
can you actually draw or do you just link resources? been following that artist before you started posting him but just curious.

Any feedback on my Mayuri from Stein's Gate? Thanks!

>>3351904
Her face shape is pretty wonky looking, unless she looks like that in the show. Also your lines are pretty weird looking. Try using a smoother brush for lining

>>3351899
Don't worry you will get better bruh
>>3351901
pic related

>>3351904
The art is fine but everything else is fucking weird m8

those colors and line-art

there is something off about them

what software do you use and what brushes or tools

>>3351904
the color and shading are awful, i'm guessing you're still learning those? they take a while

>>3351882
Buy the Rapidograph bulb too, you'll be able to use it to draw out the ink, as well as clean it.

>>3351908
Nah. That's not gonna happen. I've been at this for years and I'm still complete shit.

>>3351909
>>3351910
makes it look traced

Anyone got any critique on how to render things in a much more natural way, make them look more realistic and so on.

>>3351914
you know you will, it will just take a shit ton of grinding and time

if you should stop to pity yourself or move on to the next drawing is up to you

>>3351909
I use Gimp and the hard circle brush. I have a small wacom tablet as well.

>>3351931
if you're serious about drawing don't draw in gimp you dingus

>>3351931
Krita is much better for drawing, and is free free.

Sai is much better for drawing and is "free"

>>3351931
use krita m8

>>3349311
posted on /co/ for critique of the joke, posting here for critique of the drawing.

please don't recommend books because i'm illiterate.

So if I'm drawing a figure from a reference am supposed to break down the construction or just draw the shapes I see?

Drew the Persona 2 guy.

>>3351920
paint from life when you study

>>3351966
makes no sense and it's a shit drawing.

>>3351966
very cute anon.

>>3351976
crap, I thought the original one made no sense so I changed it to that one.

>>3351979
thank you.

>>3351966
Peace an love

>>3351969
guys please

Anybody wanna buddy up? I work 9-5 EST and I want to draw a minimum of an hour a day.

This was some of the last stuff I drew before I quit for the unteenth time. Maybe having a friend can help me stay focused.

So I got a hand me down iPad pro and apple pen. Can anyone could recommend a good drawing app thats pay once instead of this subscription crap?

>>3352030
http://www.clipstudio.net/en/purchase/product_mac

>>3352068
>>3352068
>>3352068

>>3352068
>>3352068
>>3352068

>>3352068
>>3352068
>>3352068

I'm trying to do colors again, but it seems off. I can see the nose should be higher and the mouth maybe should be higher too.

But i don't really know how to render things like hair with color (so the lineart is varely visible).

Any help? i want to get an effect more similar to classsic painting... but I don't know how.

quick tip for i just realised myself

if you want to find the best position, posture-wise, how far you should sit near/far from the edge of the seat:

holding your drawing tool of choice, push down on the paper with all your weight, as if someone just turned on high gravity.
effectively you "fall down" and support your entire self with the pencil as a "cane"

from there, scoot back or forward and adjust shoulder height and such , lean head in more or less.

after adjusting, you now have the exact position you can return to in relation to gravity that creates a mark on the paper.

it should feel natural, if not just ignore all this

>>3351839
Never really properly learned perspective before, so wanna make sure I get a good foundation.

Doing a Crocodidle Study, heavy WIP

>>3351407
Good work anon! Your lines are wobbly try to make them as straight as possible. Don't try to just draw a shape as fast as possible. Try to take your time to make the lines straight as possible.

>>3351407
Practice drawing straight lines too anon. Try to make the lines as straight as you can. Fill a page doing that too. DON'T RUSH.

>>3351431
Don't listen him doing 3D before you can do 2D well will be bad for you.

>>3352079
I saw a video on Youtube where a crocodile fucking bit the leg off another crocodile and then ate it, the crocodile just had a fucking leg missing afterwards he wans't sure what to do. It's strange because crocodiles dont really show pain very much unlike humans it's really obvious when we're in pain. it probably hurt him so much but you just couldn't tell that he felt any different.

>>3351407
Try to focus on 1 shape for 1 page.

>>3352089
He looked more dissapointed than in pain, crocs are hard af

>>3352094
You saw it too?

and honestly how do you know that if they dont show any feelings? they could feel pain 100x the amount we do, he could be such agonising debilitating pain but we don't know because we're not crocodiles

>>3352154
Oh absolutely they feel pain, just don't show it in the sense that we do. They don't have vocal chords to yell and their minds are different when dealing with pain, single task thinking if you get me, so more of a survivalist response than a panic response per say

>>3352165
>their minds are different when dealing with pain
How does anyone know this though?

>>3352173
Pretty sure there some sort of research on it you can look up, but desu I think its more of a broad grouping of reptiles based on their craniums, reptiles as a majority aren't focused on problem solving

>>3352072
Try to do grayscale first, you have problems with brushwork, values and initial lay-in.

>>3351301
Fun with a pencil helps with construction. Helps you think in 3D too. Apply what you learn to your drawings and it will help with the flatness and proportions.

>>3351615
Only 4 heads? Come back with a page full of loomis heads.

how do you convincingly draw, like, the interaction of a face and hand or a hand grasping a wrist or just anything like that? always fucks me up unless it's a situation where there's a clear difference of value or color. when i look at a photo reference the answer seems to be 'the brain knows those are two distinct body parts and can tell them apart'. and i can't make that happen with drawings, ex i feel like this hand is melding into face Society-style.

>>3351851
Dont think so.
But i would, your sketches are great!

>>3352154
Well you can't exactly quantify or identify the metaphysical "feeling" of something so there's no way to know, but crocs have tiny brains and are stupid as shit, they operate pretty much purely on instinct. It wouldn't be surprising if they simply aren't really wired to have much pain since they're usually pretty unchallenged, so avoiding danger isn't *as* important to them. You have to remember that pain is an evolved reaction, and it wouldn't exist without a purpose, if the croc isn't doing anything in response what would be the point of the pain signal? Obviously it does feel pain and i'm sure it felt pretty shitty, but it certainly is possible they just don't feel as much pain.

>>3352825
forgot I was also going to say the croc eating the other croc's leg was likely a demonstration of their instinctive nature and extreme stupidity, the croc's mouth was just near the other croc's leg and it probably automatically opened up, clamped down and spun around because that's just what they do.

>>3352256
I am though, could it be just a lack of practice?

>>3353241
>>3352256
With that I mean, shitty linework aside (and in this case, shitty fixing aside), I use the construction learned on that book both for the head and the body, and the face. Although obviously im not going for the cartoonish style. But still, I can obviously see that the drawing feels lifeless and flat, but could it be just because I havent practiced long enough and thus im not getting the right proportions?

Im doing the cubes thing now, but will post results probably on the next thread. Trying to practice clean lines. Pic not related.

How do I know if I am symbol drawing

>>3353366
unironically post your work. if you have to ask and can't tell then you are