/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

How's my Loomis?

>>3346371
needs a lightsource

This is my first attempt to draw digitally. What can I improve?

>>3346371
needs scott robertson

>>3346374
>>3346384
This is probably better.

finished this 3344168

>>3346390
you half assed those arms

>>3346381
Did you use a reference?
Anyways, don't chicken scratch, work more on a flowing line. Focus more on what you see. Try to simplify, don't draw every string of hair or beard. Practice, practice, practice.

>>3346390
First thing's first for the love of god make her brown.
There's a weird ridge on her shoulders. Also chin is too pointy for Korra.

>>3346420
>make her brown
she white bruh

>>3346390
bro she aint a vampire, she got blood in her, bring that shit out

also she a darkskin grill

did this in like 5 seconds in photoshop

>>3346421
This is what waterbenders would look like irl, m8.

>anon draws a korean cartoon character with a different skintone
>faggot on mongolian duck knitting board demands him to draw her brown

Did (((they))) win?

Is this really a good book?

>>3346461
Do they lose their brows at puberty or something?

>>3346397
care to elaborate?
>>3346420
thanks for the pointers, I'll see what I can do about that ridge
>chin too pointy for Korra
oh, this isn't Korra, her name is Lorra

>>3346466
you can draw her whatever way you want, anon.

>>3346417
I kind use this Aristóteles image as a reference, but I feel ashamed because my drawing ins't alike. I can try to simplify most lines, but I don't have any idea of how should I try to simplify hair.

Does someone have this book pdf?

>>3346476
Artbook thread

>>3346390
I think making your shades slightly stronger could be beneficial, something like this.

>>3346390

She looks dead. Get some bloodflow in that skin, anon.

how do you get a brush with texture like is on these thighs?

They look damn soft

>>3346534
its probs a nib

This one ended up a failure BUT it helped me realize a bunch of stuff I'm doing wrong.

>>3346634
Just realized that my pics are always too big, I'll resize next time sorry about that.

>>3346467
Yes

still working on anatomy god this will surely pay off
one day
i guess
what do you think?

What does Hampton mean by T-overlaps? He started talked about it with the back of the head/neck construction a few pages ago but never gave examples. I know what it means in other cases, like showing forms overlapping other forms but he's a bit unclear in his usage.

>>3346634
It's not a failure, it's progress.

>>3346390
Blog?

>>3346390
Why did you turn a study into a personal work?

Bought my first set of (cheap) watercolors 2 days ago and I still feel like a child. Can't even keep inside the lines. Any tips on how not to suck with them?
Still lacking confidence in my traditional art in general. Lots of errors because I've gotten too used to fixing things in digital, but I think I can get over that with a few days of practicing skeletons.

>>3346730
Line lightly in pencil then paint and add linework last. Good quality paint and paper matters a lot with watercolor as well, but the charm of watercolor is that it’s not easily controlled. You could achieve that look more controlled and within the lines with copic pens

>>3346730
I don't know much about painting but I do hear people say that watercolors are some of the most challenging, keep that in mind I guess

oils

>>3346800
moar

i drew this sketch is it good

>>3346473
the sculptor already simplified hair, just look at your image again

Trying to learn about lighting, tips and feedback? :)

>>3346932
i don't know what tip i can give to you but i really like it anon

>been vising /beg/ and drawing daily for months
>same skill level as when i started out

i guess art isn't for everyone.

on my style and whatnot

fuck i made it to big srrrrry

>>3346940

checked your instagram in other thread, do less scribbly and more cleaner lines and some loomer

>>3346937
show your progress, anon... i bet mine's worse

>>3346652

He's probably talking about how one line overlaps another and creates a T. Like the line of the pectoral hits the deltoid there, and makes a T. The top of the T looks like it's above, whereas the line that hits the other and stops looks like it goes under.

Just look for T shapes where lines meet and you'll see how it shows different forms overlapping.

>>3346932
What's with the black dots everywhere? Also, try doing the same gradient thing you did with the lantern's light with the Christmas lights too. They're much weaker and, tough it's subtle, you can see their lights and the lantern's light blend together at some points.

>>3346953
>>3346940
practice linework

Are my proportions good or at least close to good?
Please excuse the crappy resolution, I have a habit of drawing too small.

>>3346972
carrot pierce hand

>>3346639
Satisfactory. Now move on to drawing them from other angles.

Working on proportions and shit. fuck it.

>>3347005
Head is way WAY too small dude, but you're on the right track

>>3347006
Thanks, i'll take another crack at it tomorrow. I'm probably too stupid for this craft.

>>3347011
>I'm probably too stupid for this craft.

Not even, you were like 20% off in any given direction, it's not a big deal. Don't put off for tomorrow what you could do today or you'll end up like the rest of us. Keep practicing.

>>3346967
It has a bunch of black dots because I used a dry media brush for everything. I might do a second pass on the lamp

>try to push values
>push too much

lmoa

>>3347011
It's only too small because her torso is at an angle , but you drew the width proportioned like it was straight on. If she were to straighten her shoulders you'd see the mistake right away.

>>3347041
No it's not. It's too small because it's too small. Vertically and horizontally. It has nothing to do with the angle.

Should I just stop trying? I don't think I'm getting anywhere.

You shouldn't ignore loomis guys...

>>3347125

>>3347128

first drawing , how i do

>>3346972
Did you use construction when you drew this? You need to work more on your anatomy. I suggest you go to the book thread and download the beginner books. Don't stop here anon keep sharpening your skills.

>>3346972
Right shoulder looks like its broken. Neck looks like its connected to the right side of the jaw instead of the bottom of the head. The torso is too long and has a very small rib cage. Left leg thigh is too small. I dont know what shes looking at. Carrot looks like its piercing her hand. Boobs are flat and look like rhick pancakes. And don't hide the hands.

>>3346467
Yes so is Loomis Fun with a pencil

>>3347139
Stop trying to draw anime for now, and go through the sticky found at the top of this board. There you should find books you may download for free that will introduce you to the fundamentals in drawing, start with fun with a pencil by Andrew Loomis and your journey begins there. Apply what you learn from Loomis as you go using his approach and techniques until you learn how to do your own.

>>3347037
Its all about the shapes my dude.

>>3347139
Go to the artbook thread and download the begginers books, and star with "Fun with a Pencil" by Andrew Loomis. Don't stop drawing anime just take what you learn from that book and apply it to your next anime drawing.

Any thoughts?

>>3347109
Nah man, stick with it. Seems like a cool concept, but you probably should spend some time practicing rendering lighting and values.

>>3347109
What's the eye mean?

>>3347125
>>3347128
>>3347133
Some of these don't look like the others. What did anon mean by this?

>>3347188
everything is bad t b h

>>3347016
head is too wide

>>3347128
>that face on the bottom right
You're going places.
Give me your blog.

>>3347191
Thanks

>>3347192
its god's vision.

how do you make lineart for cliffs and water?
im serious

Did some linework a while ago but haven't colored it. feedback?

>>3347207
also did some 30 second pose mannequins for practice.

>>3347207
It works but the line-art could be a lot better, different weight in the lines.

also pretty bad anatomy and no dynamism/gesture

>>3347259
any advice on improving?

>>3347246
Ew ew ew please just stop doing this. Some stuff in loomis is just filler bullshit, this is just fucking Jazza tier.

>>3347303
sounds like you need more loomis bud.

>>3347303
What would you recommend instead?

>>3346277
I know this board isn't big on comics, but here's a shitty comic I did a long time ago.
https://imgur.com/a/RMLwn

I have been working with the characters for 2 years now and that was their first comic i pumped out overnight in 1 copy. I added captions for clarity because I don't have a scanner at the moment.
What do you think of my designs? What do you think of the story? What can I work on?

>>3346758
I'm finding that a lot of illustrators actually do ink first and paint inside the lines. I guess it's just from skill.
Also I need to get better paints. It gets frustrating when these cheap 7.5€ tube colors leave bits floating in the water no matter how hard I stir them. I should have gotten the 20€ honey based pans instead, but I figured I would start cheap...

>>3347246
Your gestures are pretty stiff

>>3347193
What do mean by what do you mean? If you're referring to "Don't ignore loomis". I mean for beginners like me that draw anime to not ignore loomis or the sticky. I just started "Fun with a Pencil" and It's really helpful.

The line art looks horrible, the only mouth I like is 11.

anyone got any tips?

>>3346953
thats good, you're not an idiot, you know where and how to place the features.
you're lacking in presentation tho, learn how to linework, lineweight, where to leave out lines etc. also black fineliner looks much better on camera than graphite

>>3347388
How can i draw cute girl faces, they all look hideous, especially the eyes

>>3347388
>>3347407
didn't mean to reply to you, sorry

>>3347128
if you can draw this well already you're not really a beginner

Whete should I pick loomis up at? I know how to draw a few things but I still have a very flawed base and no real idea of structuring. I got the “draw shapes” part but I fell I’m doing something wrong. Also how do I draw eyes without making them overly anime-y? Sorry in advance if my photo gets flipped

>>3347384
make longer, smoother strokes

>>3347109

>>3347419
Go to the artbook thread and download "Fun with a Pencil." by Andrew Loomis.

>>3347431
as someone who doesn't know anything about deer because we don't have them here, points and spikes seem like the same thing, so the last panel scans weird, you have to be like 'what? only _ spikes? did they forget the number. oh wait i guess spikes are like tiny antlers or something'

I feel like I am going insane.

This is a shit drawing, right?
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/84t09q/yesterday_i_began_teaching_myself_to_draw_today_i/

his reference:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wow/images/c/c4/Mal%27Ganis_art.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160818060101

>>3347472
>reddit

>>3347472
Don't mindlessly copy anon. Otherwise you won't be able to create your own drawings and come up with your own ideas. Go to the Artbook thread and download the beginner books.

>>3347428
you mean with the painting, or the lineart?

>>3347482
lines

>>3347472
he's trying at least... reddit is such a circlejerk though. everytime i think of posting i come back here instead

can i use a tablet to learn how to draw?

>>3347496
Yes, but it's mechanically different than drawing with a pencil.

>>3347498
how so?

>>3347500
You rely more on pressure where you would rely on angle with a pencil, because most tablet pens aren't tilt-sensitive.

>>3347504
so with a pencil, id be more worried about how im angling my hand, and with a tablet i'd be focused on maintaining contact with the surface

>>3347505
Not necessarily maintaining contact, but how much pressure you're putting on the tip.

>>3347500
Surfaces will really change how you approach your drawings due to things like friction, pencil types, strength, and other very small details that still impact your doodles in big ways. It’s something very hard to recreate digitally and honestly the reason I have a borderline fetishistic enjoyment of drawing on school desks

>>3347246
how to lose gesture: an anon's guide

>>3347318
found the autist of the thread

>>3347509
Not him but what do you mean? He can't perfectly do them from the start right?

>>3347318
This could be an animated insert in a david lynch movie. Like Rabbits. This is fucking eerie and I have no idea is it supposed to be or has the artist mental health problems.

Your weakness is drawing. Everything is out of perspective, flat and disproportionate, and nothing has line variety or value. You can almost feel anons constant pencil pressuring your face as you look at the work. So focus on that.

As far as the story goes it's like Inland Empire I've seen that movie like three times and have absolutely no clue whatsoever what is supposed to be going on.

If that's what you are seeking, well, congratulations you are there son.

Should a digital art beginner use kirta or just Microsoft sketchbook?

this is about as far as i got before the depression kicked in and i wanted to kms

Where's the artbook thread? I can't find it
t. brainlet

>>3347207
what is with people on /ic/ sexualizing yordles
stop it

>>3347571
Yeah sure whatever you say anon.

>>3346277
I cant believe that OP used my grass as thread image,Im honored.
Anyway, here is an update, I took colors from a grassland pic and I diversified the colors and grass type.

I forgot about the grass size when this is close to the viewer, next time should be much better!!.

>>3346800
nice, keep it going!!

>>3347575
K E K

>>3346277
I'm trying to make a fantasy map, any advice?

>>3347707
keep your typography consistent

>>3347707
You wish that Dragon's Dogma was thing but after losing hope with Capcom you're making it yourself, keep it up

>>3346469
don't pretend it doesn't look blurry and unfinished on the edges

>>3347281
On line-art: https://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-create-a-cartoon-character-with-expressive-lines--vector-1799

On overall drawing ( Vilppu figure drawing ): http://b-ok.org/book/1232604/f63f7d

Is "fun with a pencil" the best book to start learning with?

Will tracing things make me better at handling my tablet? Or are there better ways?

>>3347793
keys to drawing, vilpuu/hampton, perspective made easy/how to draw

Never posted on /ic/ before and I need some help.
I like drawing in Paint with black and white but I want to take it to the next level.

A friend lent a tablet, I want to start practicing manga styled black/white drawings with the tablet. With panels and everything.
I'm looking to sort of imitate Berserk styled violence.

First of all, what program do I install? All I have and ever used was Paint.
Second, is there a specific recommended guide for this?
Third (if the guide doesn't cover it), what resolutions should I be using in attempt to imitate a manga page?

>>3347793
depends on how old/good u r

>>3347798

It might help a bit with line control.

One exercise I like to do is to draw a sheet of circles of various shapes and sizes, with just a little bit of space in between. Then, quickly but steadily, try to draw a line basically around and through the gaps without actually going inside the circles. Another exercise is placing two or more dots and trying to connect them in a stroke. Some straight lines, some curves, etc. It's harder than it sounds, especially with a tablet.

>>3347798
do drawabox

>>3347798

trace your own drawing. Do rough sketch like that star then lower the layer opacity and draw on another layer on top.

>>3347810
>>3347811
>>3347831
I'm doing this for now
https://dustyghost.com/tutorial/2012/07/26/graphics-tablet-tutorial-making-change/5/

>>3347835
How dare you

>>3347804
This is me.

Let me explain myself better. Being able to draw like the manga Berserk or Vagabond is the dream. Also, kind of like Sin City. It's obvious to me that it's not simple.

I really just want to practice making interesting panels, manga/comics "pages". I would really welcome any tip or thing that helped you when you started with a tablet. Recommended software and the tools I should focus on for sharp drawings, recommended resolutions to practice on and make digital manga/comic style pages.

What's the next step guys? How do I make it realistic?

>>3347865
did you use construction or references?

>>3347865

i used a another sketch for reference similar to mine.

>>3347870
>i used a another sketch for reference

>>3347873

my aim was to not fuck up the proportions of anatomy. and i guess i succeded o.o so i want to move on but have no idea what to do

>>3347874
there is not much success in that drawing

Any recommended drawing drills or exercises one can do at work? I only get short burst of free time and only can use scratch paper and a pen.

>>3347865
The right leg is way, way longer than the left. You should also find some references and look at how legs connect to the lower torso.

>>3347874
Well, are you grinding and studying or just want to do some stand alone piece.

Either way, try reading this book: https://vk
.com/doc4043932_329144763?hash=7c19274efcddc67c45&dl=c1c608c23c0e8499bd

The Drawing Club Handbook

you need your fundies my mang

Is this any better?

>>3347831
Dude I'm doing like the 6th trace of my shapes and I'm already better at using the pen. Thanks for your advice.

>>3347892
no because you don't know what you are doing

you have no fundies

>>3346475
post progress

>>3346802
her head is an egg

Anime / Less Anime

(I'm starting to study head anatomy)

I've been below /beg/ tier for almost 1 year now. I am bad at everything so I feel like i need to learn so many different things that i don't see any progress and i get really discouraged.

I am depressed and have dropped out of university, i have deleted my battle.net and steam accounts, got rid of almost all my things in my apartment because i really want to focus on only learning how to draw, but i don't see any progress at all and that makes it very hard and depressing

Can you recommend just 1 thing that i can do and follow until i get some success and see some improvement, instead of trying out so many different things and getting overwhelmed and feeling like a failure every time?

>>3347983
Fill page upon page of circles until you can draw them well freehand. Do the same for lines. Then move onto figure drawing.

>>3347977

If you want to doodle anime pictures that's fine, but it's not going to teach you how to draw a head properly. You need to be trying to accurately copy things from a reference. Get a figure drawing book (Hampton, Loomis, Vilppu, etc.) and copy the pictures out, and then try to apply what you learned to photo studies.

>>3347983
I would recommend "Fun with a Pencil" by Andrew Loomis.

It teaches you very necessary basics about perspective. And you get something decent looking pretty soon.

The important bit is that it teaches you to combine simple shapes to make more complex shapes in order to construct something.

>>3347804
>First of all, what program do I install?
Photoshop's the standard
Or could just keep using paint, that'll set you apart
>Second, is there a specific recommended guide for this?
The sticky for drawing and scott mcloud's understanding comics for everything that's specific to the medium of comics
>Third (if the guide doesn't cover it), what resolutions should I be using in attempt to imitate a manga page?
Make it big
You can always downsize a drawing, you can't upsize one
But not so big that your computer can't handle it

>>3347983
You're already on the right track. Just draw more. Don't fall for Loomis or Circles though. Life drawing is best.

>>3348007
yeah, you're right anon

I'm actually studying Hampton, how's this?

Where should a complete beginner i.e. someone with no experience putting pen to paper outside of filling out forms start?

>>3347983

I hope you didn't drop out of university to draw, because even if you can learn (and some people just can't), and you do practice your ass off every day, you've probably got a good 5+ years at least before you'll be good enough to work. You see a lot of people throwing things around like 'this guy went professional in 2/3 years', and that is really misleading. Maybe if you've been doodling your whole life and you've got some latent skill built up, but you're like square 1 can't draw a straight line to save your life here.

If you're that depressed and emotional I doubt you're going to have your head in a good space where you're working hard and studying properly every day either.

Like, I'm kind of hoping that this is a troll or bait post. I don't want to hurt your feelings if it isn't, but don't put your life on hold yet for art. What were you doing in school? Can you go back, or were you flunking anyway? Maybe take something easier in college that'll give you a safety net, where you can have a decent job. I know a guy who went to school and became a pharmacist, started learning late and he's better than me (which is embarrassing because I was NEET practicing for a while before I went to school).

The whole idea of putting your life on hold to just work on art isn't necessarily going to work. There's a good chance that you're just gonna sit around miserable watching youtube and procrastinating. If you already had a decent skill level and you knew how to practice I'd be more encouraging, but you're at an age in your life where you can't put all your eggs in the art basket when there's no guarantee you're going to get anything out of it.

Just get a normal life going and keep working on art a couple hours a day in your spare time.

>>3348036
Buy a cheap sketchbook, buy a few pencils of hard, medium and soft grades, buy an eraser and a sharpener, go home and look up a few videos that talk about drawing via construction (I recommend sycra), once you've got the hang of drawing boxes and spheres and cylinders then find a few artists that you like and use them as inspiration as you practice drawing from reference and imagination until the end of time.

>>3348036
sticky

>>3348032
don't forget to flip your canvas

>>3348001
I did 50 pages of circles recently but don't see much improvement. i will look into figuredrawing but i thought that is too advanced.

>>3348024
I've started fun with a pencil, but not with much success as you can see from pic.

>>3348030
so you recommend just drawing from reference in photo and real life?

>>3348042
I know this is not a good situation, i dropped out of university because everything has lost meaning to me, i was studying biology and math but i don't want to spend my life doing working just to work. I am not very good socially so in my head work is gonna be most of my life and i would really like to do something i inherently enjoy. I've been thinking it would be better to be homeless and just draw.

I know i shouldn't expect to get good to work any time soon, i am however fortunate to live in a country with a pretty reputable CG/2D animation school with super low costs so my goal is to get good enough to enter there and then another 3,5years at the school.

>>3348058
woah! that actually helps a lot

I'll keep practicing, thanks anon!

>>3348060
>ANOTHER ONE KEKED BY LOOMIS
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>3347905
wdym?

>>3348092
post your work

>>3347413
lmao don't do that to him

>>3348116
dont do what

>>3347472
Reddit is like pre-/beg/ even. As ridiculous as this place can be, at least nobody heaps praise onto garbage like that

>>3347571
lol come on dude this is a day one exercise, you can't be cracking already

>>3348060
>I've started fun with a pencil, but not with much success as you can see from pic.
I believe the key thing you are doing wrong is that you aren't thinking about three-dimensional shapes but just about lines.
The idea behind the faces in Loomis' book is that you learn this three-dimensional construction on a very simple face. This way you don't have to worry too much about proportions or anatomy.

This video explains it pretty well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlKRNmGKCC4

>>3347793
No, read the sticky

Does anyone have any tips/tutorials for getting good realistic skin tones with colored pencil without having to buy say a skin tone pack of pencils? I'm using Derwent Colorsofts.

>>3348060

These are pretty wonky. Maybe just work on your basic forms? Like your spheres and cylinders and cubes. You really want everything you draw to be correct. I know that's a lot to ask when you're just starting out, but you really need to draw things accurately.

Like your spheres at the top, the outside circles are all fucked up, the lines don't wrap around smoothly or correctly. The box you did, the lines don't meet up with the corners properly, some aren't straight. You know how the lines are supposed to look, erase it until you get it right. Everything you should be drawing right now should be a picture you're copying or something in front of you, so you should always have something to look at to say 'this doesn't match, I did something wrong and I need to correct it'.

Check out the drawabox website and work though the stuff there. Just try to draw everything clean and correct. Take your time with things. You don't draw with your hand, you draw with your eyes, your hand is just doing the work. Look and think before you start moving your hand.

Get the book Keys to Drawing, it's much better for teaching you how to draw, Fun with a Pencil is just an old book for kids.

>>3347983
Work through art books, it looks like you've just been bullshitting for a year. You need guidance.

Also doing all that dramatic shit like getting rid of all your stuff is very stupid and unnatural, it's overdramatic. Don't try to be a hero on day one it isn't realistic. Instead I would recommend making drawing a gradual part of your daily activities, start with just an hour a day, over the weeks, increase to 2 hours, 3 hours, etc. If you try to draw 5-10 hours a day right away you will most likely just get overwhelmed and quit completely.

I'm not sure how beginner I am. First time posting. I've been doing art seriously for around 8-9 years but I took a year long break not too long ago

>>3348145
Might redraw the right leg

>>3348128

With colored pencils you're pretty dependent on which exact colours you have. It's not like paint where you can do a ton with just a red, a yellow, and tints/shades.

Don't use saturated colours, if you have a range of greys, do a value map, and blend some colour in over it. Even if the colours aren't exact, the value and lack of strong saturation will keep it 'believable'.

>>3348151
That's what I thought but was afraid of. I will definitely try the greyscale thing, thanks.

>>3348145
>>3348149
lower your resolution before posting. and post some finished pieces

I did another one, this time trying to solve problems I noticed thanks to >>3348058

Will do. I'll make something new first. I haven't spent that long on a single thing in a while so I don't have many things that are completely finished right now since I've been going over the fundamentals again for some time

How do I avoid frayed lines when doing the repeated line draws suggested by Dynamic Sketching?

After 15 to 20 minutes of practice, I can usually get them pretty close together, but I can never really draw "over" and end up curving up/down slightly.

>>3348175
didn't realize the resolution was so high

>>3348188
Draw from the shoulder and practice until you can.

>>3348175
Accidentally posted with a name oops.
didn't realize the resolution was high

>>3347804
Clip Studio Paint is cheap and good, it goes on sale periodically (most recently for $25). It's got good tools for making a comic, you don't need the pro version.

Right now, I can't draw, so is the best thing to do to read the books and take notes?

>>3348191
I often find myself drawing from the elbow, simply because I lack the space to cover the wide range that the shoulder provides. I realize how dumb that might sound, but I'm not sure how else to word it.

Does anyone know which one of these links are the best for a noob to start with?

I removed the dots so they wouldnt count as spam

(Link which is in this thread (dot (.) before gl) https://goo gl/s0nJgX
(Space between 8ch and net) https://8ch net/loomis/hub.html
https://sites.google com/site/ourwici/
https://hubpages com/art/how-to-draw-learn (. Before com)
(These last two are from the sticky.

... Or more simply, is it reccomended to start the links and tutorials in this thread, or the sticky?

>>3347521
thanks, yeah i have schizophrenia

thank you, I am not worried about the art at all.

>>3348208
just draw

>>3348214
Thanks, Im trying to do that, but it conflicts with my need to follow a linear and understandable path. I cant decide if I should go with this threads links first or the stickys links :(

How long does it take to get to the point you don't have to flip your canvas the other way to make your drawing look good?

>>3348224
Just don't rely on it

>>3348224

Do you mean flipping the canvas to check for mistakes? You'll always make mistakes. The entire drawing process is mostly measuring, adjusting and correcting things.

>>3346800
Should have used horizontal strokes on the waters surface. The water is also a bit too bright, reflections of cloud/snow should be darker

Here's Loomis-Man.

>>3347407
Looks pretty good!
I don't want to be one of those justdraw fags, but it's true. Try to find pictures of real girls doing similar expressions to what you want to draw and see where their features are placed. Also try to think about how the head itself moves when your character's jaw drops or they look up etc. Also perspective is important if you want the character to be facing away from the viewer to any degree. Do you construct your heads or just draw them freehand?

Can I see some more of your faces? I kind of like them but would also like to have more of a basis for my critiques.

>>3346277
Hi if anyone wants to share their opinion about this I would love to hear it. I have been looking at it too long and like it less and less and I don't know why. Thanks!

>>3348181
you lost the likeness on that because you botched the keystone, brow, and jaw among other proportions. slow down, measure, draw over the original if you have to before doing your own drawing.

>>3348203
Sure. Anatomy and things like Scott Robertson's books would be a good thing to study.

>>3348203
draw from imagination. Literally just spew drawings over a page, don't matter what they are. Do this for an hour before starting real drawings. It helps.

>>3348273
Actually I might have misinterpreted. If you physically cannot draw then do what I mentioned. If you can but you're not skilled, then do books and draw a ton until you get more motivated to draw. Keys to Drawing, Perspective Made Easy, Michael Hampton Anatomy/Vilppu Drawing Manual.

>>3348188
I found the trick is in how you hold the pen - your hand should glide over the paper with the side/top of the pinky planted down

>>3347793
Yes it teaches you about construction. Don't just draw a couple of things for each page. Grind that shit out. For like one page of drawing spheres try to fill 3 - 5 pages of paper or until you get really good at it. Trust me reading and doing a couple of sketches per excercise isn't going to help you, You need to grind that shit into your brain until you can do it from memory.

>>3347413
lol how is that even good? My drawings look like shit.

How do i end my suffering?

How can I improve my gestures?

>>3348188
You're not drawing the line quick enough. For longer lines break the line in half. draw from the beginning of the line to the middle and then from the middle to the end of the line.

>>3348204
Drawing from the elbow is fine too. When you do this exercise try to fill the whole page. I don't mean make page wide lines but to fill out the whole page until there is barely any white left. Grind that shit until you get straight lines. It'll take around 2-3 pages until you start to get the hang of it.

>>3348309
They look pretty solid to me, desu.

>>3348309
By actually finishing over hem.

>>3348272
Oh, I see...
(blue line was drawn over the original)

thanks for the help

>>3348060
You're doing the circles wrong. You're just drawing a circle with curved lines in the middle.
Try to think about how the circle would look like if it was cut in half. Try using the doted line method that's in the book. Try to think of the circle as a 3d sphere.

>>3348309
Semi this>>3348334
At least make note of your anatomical mistakes and plan to improve on them, like an anatomically correct gesture of your gesture

>>3348060
Don't listen to the crab that said to do life drawings. Right now you need to focus on the basics first. Moving on to life drawings right now will get you nowhere. Practice drawing speheres, cubes, cylinders, cones first.

>>3348347
who the fuck you calling a crab boy? get back in the popcorn mines

>>3348060
Here anon watch this while doing loomis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqEE9yU474&

>>3347977
No Loomis / Still No Loomis

>>3348340
you don't see. look at the features of statham's face, draw the topology of the face. then see what the keystone is referring to.

>>3348060
50 pages of circles and no improvement? Did you do them like this? And don't just draw a circle with only 1 line feather that shit feel it out. Once you have a pretty good circle then go darker with the lines so it looks like a single line circle.

Trying to draw more figures + clothing since I only really doodle faces.

>>3348391
You should go back to the basics.

Outside of the fact that I should actually make sure the sketch itself makes sense, does it look crinkley, like a lolipop?

>>3348060
I just finished reading your posts; I think you should go back if you can.
Things losing meaning, I'm feeling it too. But I think that's just an easy thing to happen when we're young and have been raised seeing the work of masters. I've made it my goal to socialize more and I've made more genuine friends at my day job then any other time I can remember and that gives a little meaning by itself, or at least some comfort, while I decide what I want to do.
It'll be easier to talk with people who're in the same boat as you and that's why I think you should go through with your original studies, it can make a stable foundation so you can be calm before deciding on what to do next; maybe with someone you connected with?

If you don't want to do that, or if it's impossible, then one thing you have to not do is constantly worry, it's hard to learn in the long run if you're stressed.

>>3348394
Explain please.

alien slut

>>3348399
He is a retard that doesn't know what grinding is

>>3348399
im another anon, but you could use more gesture study, possibly start getting into anatomy. right now, with your stylization, the crotch and the legs suggest she displaced her hip. crotch region is very flat and could be a perspective problem. the way the torso is twisting, her ass should be facing the viewer, but her knees are spread out as if shes facing directly forward. take all this with a grain of salt though, im worse than you probably

>>3348399
Proportions are wrong and everything looks flat. Go back and study basic forms and construction.

>>3348366
last try

>>3348420
Is this a new Comic super villian anon? kek

>>3348424
Oook, I'll restart the chapter and I'll practice it, you'll see

So many things wrong with this, one thing is for sure the colorless blender marker and pencil (and qtips) don't seem to help get that smooth look. I suppose I'll have to eventually get some of whatever spirits people use to blend.

>>3348412
This is helpful, thank you anon.

>>3348253
Do you need help with something anon? Is there something you're lacking. From what I can see you need to work on your proportions more.

>>3348268
for me at the start looking at it I figured it'd be neat for a childrens book or some shit like that but the more you look the more you see the clipping over shit, houses just being copy pasted, perspective on some of your clip art looks really bad and the trees dont blend into the ground well and yadayada. It just needs some love and effort.

>>3348420
better job at capturing it. the main thing i wanted to get you to see was the bridge of his nose and the space between the eyebrows. it's very narrow on him but you gave him this big blocky bridge.

>>3348521
Hampton even says it's the most important part, I'll keep drawing and studying

super rusty, practicing the ribcage, pelvis, and how the two connect with the obliques. the loomis mannequin method of pelvis construction makes me feel lost in perspective, but the proko method is too galaxy brain for me and I just plum don't get the box method, how do y'all construct it?

>>3348407
Go download beginner books in the Artbook Thread and grind fundamentals. If you really like to render. Go download some lineart and use those to practice rendering.

First portrait ever
March 10
(1/2)

And...

>>3348657
Sixth portrait ever
March 17
One week later

(2/2)

I know it’s shit, but I’m happy with my progress and wanted to share.

Working on Values and lighting, any thoughts or critics? Any tips would be much appreciated

>>3348659
Good job anon keep going. I would recommend that you work on the basics along side your portrait copying. Go to the Artbook thread and download the beginner books. Start "Fun with a Pencil" and work on your construction. If you look up you can see how other people do it. Keep drawing and Grind those fundamentals. Good Luck.

I'm in my 30s and my drawing level is like a toddler stick figure.
How long before I can become somewhat decent?

>>3348753
By reading the sticky.

>>3346277
tried to draw from the reference in the sticky. yes, by "drawing with your eyes and not from symbols". It looks terrible. what should i do if i can't even do step 1?

>>3348788
I'd say keep doing what you have here, but be 50 times more specific when you draw, which means taking a lot more time per drawing. You still have symbol drawing habits and they way I got rid of them was spending a LONG time on every single detail, comparing the picture with the drawing all the time.
Also your shades are all drawn at the same force, you need some lighter ones too. (And resize your images to about 1000 pixels before posting)

>>3348802
ok, thanks anon. i'll keep trying and make sure i spend extra time on the deets. hopefully i can stamp out my symbol drawing 100% that way.

>>3346475
>>3347905

Had fun doing these. How are they?

>>3348391
I think it looks awesome anon. Looked professional from the thumbnail. Still cool up close

I think I now know that it's better to start traditional. Almost every guide is written with traditional in mind.

>>3348896
you can grasp the style of anime but you lack in drawing skills and construction. give anime a break until you learn proper anatomy. even for an anime her head is flattened and she has fucked up proportions.

>>3348911
stop chicken scratching

>>3348931
I started drawing yesterday, This is all I can do now.

How do I stop my hand from smearing the graphite?

>>3348936
it's time to buy an autist glove
or just keep a scrap of paper under your hand

>>3348936

Hold a sheet of paper over the area you don't want to smear and just rest your hand on that.

>>3348939
>>3348938
alright, thanks

so i did some reaserach into this, and i learned that the best way to start is just draw lines and practice drawing them over and over and over again for multiple hours for several days

my question is thus: How much autism is required to learn how to draw?

>>3347983
Go find a local oil painting or drawing class and get a proper teacher

>>3348934
stop it, stop the chicken scratching

>>3348934
no excuse

>>3348943
0. Chris chan and other autistic people can't into self criticism. They can never improve.

Drew Madotsuki.

>>3348943
Like everything, the autists will always be better. Practice an hour a day for a year and you'll be better than 90% of the people on /ic/. If you want a job in the industry, then yeah, you need to practice for hours every day for years.

>>3348826
Thanks anon!

>>3346277

>>3348060
You still draw flat. DONT DO THIS!
All objects have a volume, you need respect this volumes.

The basic shapes are only to guide you to visualize this volumes. With time, you not need draw all guides or not draw exactily guides. BUT before you need memorize that logic.
It not an circle, it is an sphere.
It not an square, it is an cube.
It not an triangle, it is an cone ou pyramid.
Visualize all in 3D.

Loomis exercises are to you memorize this volumes.

>>3348991

is learning to draw with a pen okay?
i enjoy using pens more than pencils

>>3348991
>DONT THIS

Fixed...

>>3348696
Thanks, will do

what does it mean to draw flat is this flat i drew it myself

>>3348998
Pens are great for learning since you can't erase them so they force you to get your lines straight.

>>3349007
I'm only 24 hours into this art shit but I assume it means your art is drawn with no depth/ doesn't respect the volumes that 3d objects carry.

>>3348760
That was not an answer to his question, also sticky is shit, bridgman>l*omis

>>3349007
Drawing flat means not drawing in 3d and also not taking perspective into account.
Yes that drawing seems pretty flat to me, in addition I have no idea what's going on with that guy's body.

>>3348436
I never figured out how to draw the three boxes for this pose and angle

>>3349007
It's hard to explain, but you kind of get a feeling for it after a while. To me, it feels like I'm sculpting a form out of empty space with my lines.

Are there any people who go about the anatomy of some animal as rigorously as the important guys like bridgman and loomis do with human anatomy?

>>3349022
in order to NOT draw flat, that is.

>>3349007
>>3349015
>>3349017
Yep.
Too flat as Konata chest.

>>3347259
Draw eyes that are constructed from eyeballs, not flat projections of animu eyes. Then, you can stylize with makeup to appear more appealing. What you're trying to do looks like a western approach to copying manga, and it looks the same every single time.

>>3348991
is this some crab fucking with beginners? is this what the /beg/ thread has come to?

>>3349031
Explain his error better than trolling another anon posts. Please.

Most of us not is art teacher.

>>3349041
Also, he posted the same error on previous thread. Dont fight, help him.

>>3348991
>>3349041
>>3349047
>samefagging this hard
>poo in loo thinks he's good enough to critique other /beg/s

Is this good?

>>3349063
the lines are a bit fucky and the shading looks cheap, but it's cute, I want to pat her head and pay for her cat-tumor removal operation

>>3348953
How?

I drew this. 20 minutes, I’m surprised it came out aceptable, I didn’t take ultra measurements, it’s just eye.
By the way it’s a life drawing. The method used was block-in, just eye and educated guesses. I used the pencil to look for verticals and horizontals, also negative and positive space comparative with my eye.

I realize I don’t need crazy ultra measurements. I feel it kills the flow.

Is this appealing?

>>3349161
No bro.

We don’t know how compose a pic.

>>3349165
Any advice for the composition? Thanks

>>3348896
How did you get so good?

>>3349056
Yep, this posts is my and I not samfagging.
Im reply you, retarded.

If you want say something, just say and do better.

since im a neet, should i invest my time into this and simply ignore the feelings of burnout ?

Does anyone have the picture of the books you need to make comics and draw? It had a book on prose and composition and some other stuff.

How's this fire?

>>3349267
too many embers, not enough flames, too red.

Feedbacks and suggestions for head view from below.

>>3348498
what wrong w it

>>3349267

that's lava

>>3348272
What's the source of this page?

>>3349148
>I realize I don’t need crazy ultra measurements. I feel it kills the flow.

Same. Just eyeball it. But doing those measurements will help with your eyeballing. Everything is relative. Work hard and work smart.

The things that are boring, uncomfortable to you might be what you need most.

>>3348826

stop.

>>3349278
>too many embers, not enough flames, too red.
Really? I thought that'd be too little. I wanted it too look violent, sort of.
>not enough flames
Ok, I'll get to it.
>too red
Yeah, that's on purpose.

>>3349287
How so?

>>3349295
embers occur when the fire is disturbed, either by outside forces or when the fire shifts from logs breaking. A fire burning steadily in a brazier will not have many embers.

>>3349304
Well, it's magic and stuff, but I suppose I will try doing less and see what happens, thanks.

>>3349311
>>3349311
>>3349311

>>3349311
>>3349311
>>3349311

>>3349311
>>3349311
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>>3349007
Yes your drawing is flat.

>>3349016
Sticky is not shit anon stop being a crab.

>>3348911
Start traditional first OP. You get more control with pencil and paper. Try to be more confident with your lines.You're scratching because you're afraid of messing up. Don't be. Start with basic shapes first. Squares, circles, triangles, plain straight lines. Do those until everything looks right.
https://youtu.be/qpqEE9yU474
Watch this vid it helped me a lot

>>3348943
Who the fuck takes an entire day to get good at drawing basic lines and shapes? That shit only takes 30 minutes to do.
And how does doing hardwork == autism

>>3348971
Did you need help with something?
If you just wanted to show people your work post it in draw thread next time.

>>3348975
Anon before moving on to 3D shapes. You should really practice 2d shapes and lines first.

>>3347707

Your islands belie a lack of understanding of basic geographic principles.

Rick Burlew, who used to write for Wizards of the Coast, wrote a good shorthand guide to geography for fantasy mappers.

http://www.giantitp.com/articles/xO3dVM8EDKJPlKxmVoG.html

>>3349063
Its good for a doodle. The lines on the chin and collar are wobbly. The shading on the eyes makes it look like the head is caved in. Practice basic shapes and lines to get rid of wobbly lines.

>>3349148
Wow. I guess you have the answer to evrything anon. If you're not here for critiq or help go post your shit in the Draw thread. Ignoring construction and measuring just because it "kills the flow" is stupid anon.

>>3349283
All the heads look crooked and slanted to the right. Did you use construction? Don't draw a feature first then add in lines for construction. Go to the Artbook thread and download the beginner books. Start with Fun with a Pencil.

>>3349288
hampton

>>3349371
Thanks man.

>>3349362
Calm down
I’m taking measurements and also doing construction, my point is I don’t need to be super accurate because I’m not a machine, there was a time I was obsessed with it.

Now go cry somewhere else

Does anyone have good tutorials on how to make stuff shiny? I don't feel ready to do material studies yet.

>>3349778
I think uncomfortable/draw-a-box has something along those lines http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

>>3347005
Thicc

>>3347188
It can be worse. At least it vaguely resembles a humanoid shape and shadows have been considered

Anybody wanna buddy up? I work 9-5 EST and I want to draw a minimum of an hour a day.

This was some of the last stuff I drew before I quit for the unteenth time. Maybe having a friend can help me stay focused.